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history, tomorrow. donald trump becomes the first former american president to face a jury of his peers in a criminal trial. that is days before the supreme
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court considers his claim of presidential immunity, in a decision that could be a game changer in legal efforts to hold them accountable. we are breaking down the monumental week ahead. new world order, now that the house is finally passed eight for ukraine. we are taking a closer look at what it will really take to keep and other autocrats in check. wesley clark is here with his advice for the president. the state of the race, a new poll shows president biden's approval rating inching higher in his race against donald trump. mark murray will join me live, to discuss the story behind the numbers. i am jonathan capehart, this is "the sunday show." tomorrow, we will see something that none of us have
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ever seen before. the criminal prosecution of a former american president. for the first time, donald trump will face a jury of his peers in a case that could carry prison time. trump's hush money and election interference trial could be the ultimate test of the rule of law and the nature of accountability in this country. in less than 24 hours, the prosecution and the defense will deliver opening statements in front of 12 members of the jury and six alternates, laying out the evidence for and against trump's guilt. that is in spite of multiple last-ditch efforts by trump's team to delay the start of his trial. as a reminder, trump is charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying records. the manhattan district attorney accuses trump of interfering in the 2016 election by disguising payments to adult film star, stormy daniels, to quiet her allegation of a past sexual encounter with trump, as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty
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and denies any wrongdoing and says he will testify in his own defense and tomorrow, judge merchan will decide how he can be cross-examined if he does take the stand. during jury selection last week, and angry and defiant donald trump tried making his case to the only cameras allowed, outside the courtroom. here is a taste of his mini hallway press conference. >> this is a case that should never have been put forward. it's an assault on america. it's legal expenses. all of these are stories from legal experts, saying how this is not a case. the case is ridiculous. another one, the case is ridiculous. the judge has to take off this gag order. it's very unfair that my constitutional rights have been taken away. >> prosecutors say that trump already violated his gag order at least 10 times, including
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sharing comments on social media, calling jurors " undercover liberal activist." judge merchan will weigh in on tuesday and could give trump a fine for those posts. that's not the only threat to his finances. at a hearing, also tomorrow, the new york attorney general will seek to cancel trump's $175 million bond in his civil fraud case after questioning whether the company that issued the bond has the money to cover it. if the judge agrees, trump will have just to seven days to secure a different loan or have some of his assets used. moving over all these cases is the supreme court, we will finally hear arguments in trump's claim of presidential immunity. the question at issue is fundamental. how much can a current or former president get away with that the rest of us cannot? make no mistake, if the high court rules in his favor, it
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could derail all legal efforts to hold trump accountable for his actions, alter the rule of law, and change the nature of american democracy. trump has clearly been a little obsessed about all of this, posting online about presidential immunity more than the dozen times this weekend alone. trump will be stuck in new york, during his supreme court date, but expect his legal team to bring the crazy even without him. as you may remember, trump's attorney told a lower court that a president can be immune from prosecution, even for ordering a murder. >> could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival, who is not impeached, could he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if you were impeached and convicted first. >> so your answer is no? >> my answer is qualified yes. >> let that sink in. an argument that would let a president or former president get away with murder, and if
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that's an example of what we could hear this week, go up. joining me now is former federal prosecutor, doug kershner, host of the "justice matters" podcast and, mark stern, writer for this late. so, you were skeptical of the manhattan district attorney case, but have come around. what changed your mind about the importance of this trial? >> over the past year, manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, and his team, had made a strong case that this really was a felony offense under new york law. it was not just a misdemeanor involving low local -- low- level record-keeping, but was fundamentally tied to federal and state laws involving campaign-finance and election interference. that is why district attorney bragg made such an effort to say, this is not just about hush money, this is election interference. i think that's really important, because we
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are all watching these cases get stuck in the lower courts, and not go to trial. this is the first to go forward and there's been temptation to say this doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, but the fact that it is fundamentally about honest elections and whether or not trump can break all the rules that apply to everyone else, i think that matters and it really raises the stakes. i was convinced that this was the right time to bring these charges and that they were the right charges, because the district attorney showed that if trump is found guilty, that he truly did conspire to violate state and federal election laws and is a serious offense and he should be held accountable. >> glenn, you are the formal federal prosecutor. -- the former federal prosecutor. are you skeptical of this case? >> no, not really. when you see the evidence, okay, i understand, but when you see the mountain of evidence amassed against donald trump, when the folks who are suspicious of the sort of
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quality of the evidence in this case go to things like, oh, michael cullen was lying, okay, of course he was. in fact, that was to protect donald trump and keep him out of hot water. it's not the question of whether a witness lied, previously, that will convince the jury about the strength or weakness of the case, it's whether that witness is telling the truth now and whether the witness is corroborated. with things like covert audio recordings of donald trump and michael cullen, conspiring to commit the crime, with hard evidence like, you know, documents and reimbursement checks that donald trump was writing, including out of the oval office, you take the weakness of michael cohen lying and turn it into a strength. you talk about his motive for lying, which was to help his former boss. i am not all that concerned that if the jury follows the
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evidence and applies the instructions of law, as judge merchan gives it to them, i am fairly confident they may end up convicting donald trump and may do it in a new york minute. >> jurors have already had to worry about their identities being leaked, a couple jurors have been asked to be removed, might we see other jurors ask to be dismissed? >> i feel like it's almost inevitable that we will have other jury bumps along the way. it's not that unusual, when we pick a jury, was in the jurors home for the night, they come back the next day to begin hearing opening statements. one or more of the jurors are like, you know what, i came up with some reason, some concerns, and i might not be able to sit and that happens all the time. you know, early on in the process, the judge, if those reasons are valid, can dismiss that juror and replace that juror with an alternate. because there are only six alternate seated, if we have an
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unusually high number of jurors who feel like they want to get off the jury, maybe they are feeling uncomfortable, maybe they have been gotten to, i've had that happen, i hope that is enough and i trust that six will be enough. >> "people close to trump are anxious about people having -- about how he will have so little to do as he sits there for weeks on end. it has been decades since he's had to spend so much time in the immediate vicinity of anyone who is not part of his family, his staff, or his throng of admirers." the new york times. what kind of impression is trump making with the jury? >> he has made a poor impression on potential jurors. we know he's looked hostile and aggressive as jurors have paraded before him, saying their true feelings about the
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former president. it's manhattan, many of those are far from positive. a lot of the potential jurors criticized him and have said things to his face he probably has not heard in person for many years since he is so insulated from his criticisms. jurors pick up on that, on body language, on muttering, they take it as a sign of untrustworthiness, the defendant might have something to hide, and it will not play well for him once this goes to trial. >> glenn? what do you expect at trump supreme court hearing on immunity this week? >> so, i am not so concerned that the supreme court is going to say that a president can commit any and all crimes against the people of the united states, a violation of the federal laws, and can do so with complete impunity and immunity from prosecution. i have a greater concern that they are going to be so interested in what they call "outer perimeter immunity," which is not a thing in criminal law but is in civil law.
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they may conclude that, well, if there are some outer perimeter crimes the president commits, maybe he should have immunity for that and the only way we will know, whether any of what donald trump did, should enjoy outer perimeter immunity, is to send it back to the judge, to hold all kinds of evidentiary hearings on whether some of what he did might enjoy some outer perimeter protection . then, it can come back to the supreme court and then we can definitively resolve the case. the reason i am concerned is that it will eat up so much time. donald trump may not be tried and tell 2026. >> speaking of eating up time, i have to have you come back, because this idea of outer perimeter immunity demands its own segment. it defies logic to just leave it here, but thank you both very much for coming back to "the sunday show" .
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tomorrow, tune in at 10:00 for a special coverage of opening statements in donald trump's new york criminal trial. then at 8:00, we will break down the latest in this case. that's tomorrow at 10:00 eastern right here on msnbc. coming up hum of the foreign aid package passed by the house heads to the senate after months of resistance from hard right republicans. i will speak with nato's former supreme commander general, wesley clark, but what is at stake for ukraine and why he says the united states faces a growing threat from putin and his autocratic allies. we have a new poll and break down the matchup between president biden and donald trump and the hot button issues that voters are talking about. don't go anywhere, you are watching "the sunday show". " that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you.
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start to vote on legislation that will send billions of dollars to ukraine, israel, and taiwan. the package, which finally passed in the house yesterday in a rare saturday session after months of delay and republican dysfunction, totals $95 billion. even still, ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, stressed the importance of his action, saying "democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail, as long as america helps to protect it." that protection is more important, now than ever. this morning, president zelenskyy issued this warning, after he was asked his thoughts on donald trump encouraging vladimir putin to invade nato countries who do not pay defense bills. >> i know, for sure, if ukraine fails, putin will invade the baltic countries. why?
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not because there is some interesting idea or strategy, but because putin wants to return the influence of the soviet union, and he really wants to retake, through force, and war, he wants to retake all former soviet republics that are now independent states. whether they are in nato or not, he does not care. >> putin wants to return the influence of the soviet union. that's a sobering statement. zelenskyy is not the only one sounding the alarm on threats to democracy from autocrats. in an open letter to president biden about the changing national security threats for the united states, at home and abroad, my next guest warned, " united states is facing an emerging, increasingly more closely aligned group of authoritarian powers, deeply opposed to the u..s-led, rules- based international order." joining me now is retired army
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general, wesley clark, former nato supreme allied commander, in europe. general clark, great to see you, thank you for joining us. your letter goes into some detail about how russia, in league with china, iran, and north korea, are working together did you stabilize america's position as a global leader. talk more about that. >> what you have is these four countries increasingly working together. you have a strategic alliance between china and russia, including russia and iran. north korea, feeding its artillery, with armored equipment into russia. china is supplying the high technology, goods for the russian defense industry, iran, supplying drones, russia, supplying high-technology and air defense and aircraft into iran. all of this is being pulled together, ever more closely. vladimir putin had hamas leaders come to moscow. he is really orchestrating this
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and has got a major offensive going against the u.s. political system, at the same time. >> we will talk about that in a minute, but has the delay in getting ukraine funding bill through congress aided this authoritarian access that you are warning about? >> it certainly has. ukrainians have lost a large number of troops, they have lost critical terrain, and remember, that bill has not past, yet. assistance is not there. we would need an airlift to fly that stuff directly into ukraine, heavy equipment, ammunition, patriot missiles, everything that they need needs to be flown in, right away. i do not know if we are planning that and i do not know if that is spelled out in that $60 billion. if that takes another couple months, putin has an opportunity to exploit a weakness. we had groups of ukrainian soldiers who surrendered to
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russia because they literally had not a single bullet left to fire. >> you stress in your letter that the united states needs to confronts nuclear weapons, putin and his associates have repeatedly , reportedly, threatened u.s. assistance to ukraine. how? >> from the beginning, vladimir putin has threatened horrific consequences. we just had the iranians, basically say the same thing. when you say unmanageable consequences, that's nuclear weapons. some of putin's lieutenants have been more explicit in this. so, nobody wants a nuclear war? sure. no one wants a confrontation? sure. you cannot keep just backing away from this. these countries in eastern europe, in the baltics, poland, romania, they know what it feels like to be under the russian bootheel, and they do not want it again. they are looking to the united states and see us backing away
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and say no, no confrontation. they are saying okay, there's a legal treaty, but is the united it's really willing to confront vladimir putin when he threatens nuclear weapons? why isn't he scared of our nuclear weapons? we need to think this through, because for 30 years, since the cold war ended, we have been on a path that was comfortable and nice. we were the sole superpower. that is a bygone era. we are now under challenge from this group of nations that want to erode our ability to help lead the world. they are willing to use force, and they are willing to rely on nuclear threat. >> another thing that they are willing to do, and you mentioned this a moment ago, is use our own political system against us. you contend that it has become a major "fear of operations." what do you mean? >> what they have is a whole system of influence operations to try to change the cues of
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the american people and make it difficult for the leaders in our government to formulate cohesive policies. they do this in a number of ways. they are people working with academics, people who are on social media networks, posing as americans. they have money, coming in through businesses that are co-owned with foreign countries. there are a lot of ways that they are influencing, but the point is that it is an orchestrated game plan. before social media, before the internet, of course, the soviet union tried to do this. we are an important country and it was always the soviet union's aim to influence american politics, but they were not good at it. social media and the internet has given them what we call multiple attack factors. they can now reach out, individually, to american voters and feed them disinformation, feed them information that is 80% correct and 20% is what the
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russians want you to believe. this is their methodology. you say things sound reasonable, there's no doubt about it. how does that compare to the threat to democracy, if ukraine falls? >> general clark, we want to keep in touch with you. i want to know if you do indeed hear from the president about your memo on thursday. thank you for coming to "the sunday show". next, the race for 2024. we will break down the numbers for president biden and donald trump in a brand-new poll, and the surprising way rfk junior's candidacy might be impacting the race. that and more, after the break. keep it here.
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include other candidates, biden is the one with the two point advantage over trump. the poll found that more trump voters back robert f kennedy junior in the expanded field then biden voters. the new news polls also reveals that biden's approval rating is on the rise, taking up to 42% among registered voters, a five point increase since the last poll in january. there's also more encouraging news for president biden. numbers indicate that biden is beginning to rebuild his coalition from the 2020 election. case in point, his gains over the past few months come from key parts of his base, including a crucial group he needs to win back the white house, lack voters. joining me now, mark murray, senior political editor for nbc news, and a democratic pollster and president of lake research. welcome back to "the sunday show". mark, put these numbers between trump and biden into context. >> it's important to note that
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our poll comes after president biden's state of the union address a couple months ago. that also includes ramped up campaign activity by him and the end of the republican primary season, were people were declaring winners in iowa and new hampshire. of course, as you mentioned, the disparity of president biden on the campaign trail and donald trump really not being on their all that much. when it comes to that horserace, what we find is that president biden is doing better with independent voters, latino voters, with his approval rating and the increase, there. he is doing better with key parts of the democratic base, democrats, as well as african- american voters. the good news for him is that he really has climbed out of the political hole that he was in in the wintertime, when his approval rating was 37%, trailing by five points on the ballot, now just two points. the bad news is that this is
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not necessarily clear sailing in what looks like a difficult bid for re-election, six months from now. >> the polls show abortion as the fifth most important issue among voters, at 6%, but that number rises to 19% when they asked voters if they would vote for or against a candidate based on the issue. do you think the polls are underestimating abortion as a driving issue in the campaign? >> dramatically show. -- dramatically so. that hiccup, for example, among women and younger women, is due to the abortion issue. a lot of people don't necessarily say it's the most important battle facing the nation, but they think it is a disqualifier and think it is a clear contrast. who is on the economy, who does this or that, who knows? people's position on abortion? quite clear. the administration could not be more clear about how they
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disagree with the trump administration. >> let me follow up on that. now, the supreme court allowed a constitutional amendment protecting abortion rights, to be included on the november ballot. does biden have a chance of winning florida, given how those referendums have done, since the overturning of roe v wade? >> it certainly helps to put florida in play, and the other thing that is on the ballot in florida is marijuana. this is an untold story, but in ohio, in 2023, it was abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and there was a real interaction of that. the turnout of students on campuses, the margin with younger women, in particular. we could see the same thing happen, in florida. it could make a big difference. >> mark, when asked to voters wanted to be in control of congress, 40%, 47% of republicans and 46% said democrats. publicans held a four point lead in january. what can we learn from this? >> i am glad you asked that
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question, because to me, our congressional preference is the best indicator of the overall political environment. let's take away attitudes about president biden, about former president donald trump, let's ask, what is the overall political environment? those numbers are certainly showing a very close race, right now. if you are democrats, people in the biden campaign, we realize hey, that split is a lot better than it was a few months ago. one other thing about proving a political climate for democrats, it's not just our poll showing it, it's a totality of polling. minimal numbers, all within the margin of error, but they all show one thing, that democrat and president biden are doing better than they were a couple months ago, but it is still rough the next couple months. >> six months is an eternity, in politics. folks are still holding their breath. the poll also shows 50% of
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voters think that trump is being treated fairly, when it comes to his many legal troubles. what does this say about the electorate? >> it says a really important thing, which is that it donald trump, and a fair process, is convicted by a jury of ordinary people, he is going to be in big trouble with the election. >> when i said really quick, you were really quick. thank you for coming back to "the sunday show", mark monday, thank you for joining us. stomach after the break, it's time to sound off at the latest soundboard -- mbytes making use, including marjorie taylor greene, calling for speaker johnson to resign just as he did his job and allowed the house to vote on critical aid to ukraine. that is where we start. stay right here. you are watching "the sunday show" on msnbc. .
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now that the house has passed more than $60 billion in aid to ukraine, house speaker, mike johnson, is getting bipartisan praise, but not from his perpetual antagonist, perpetually aggrieved queen of chaos, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, who insist that she will follow through on plans to oust him from the speakership. here is what she said this morning on fox news. >> he has completely betrayed the power -- the republican party, he has betrayed
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republican voters all over the country, and he is absolutely working for the democrat, passing the biden administration's agenda. so, this is a speakership that is completely over with. it's only mike johnson, trying to hang onto it and it's in complete denial. he needs to do the right thing. >> oh, well, if he doesn't do so he will be vacated, that's the rest of what she was going to say. joining me now is charlie sykes, msnbc political contributor and columnist, donna edwards, political analyst, and sophia chai, national politics reporter. thank you for joining us. so, let's do a round-robin , starting with you, charlie. reactions to congresswoman marjorie taylor greene? >> marjorie has had a tough weekend, hasn't she? she was humiliated, in and out of the house of representatives. when you have the new york post, mocking you, as moscow marge, that's not a good week.
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i think it's worth remembering that marjorie taylor greene has -- as isolated as she is, is closer to the aid of maga, she is venting and lashing out. i don't think the people ought to underestimate the hold that isolationists like marjorie taylor greene continue to have on the republican base. >> congress woman edwards, your reaction? >> look, to no great surprise, marjorie taylor greene is crying wolf again and again and again, as she does. here is the thing, i do not think this is going anywhere. both republicans and democrats are really tired of her act and they are not going to give into this motion to vacate. you will see a lot of democrats, actually supporting johnson, because he did the right thing on this package, even though it could have damaged him in the
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house. >> okay, now that you brought that up, i was going to hold this for a little bit, but let's play, dueling banjos in the democratic party. congresswoman crockett and congresswoman rochon, on this issue about whether to save speaker johnson. >> i disagree with speaker johnson on many issues and have been very critical of him, but he did the right thing and he deserves to keep his job until the end of his term. >> we don't do things for you or save you because you did the bare minimum of doing your job. doing the decent thing, as allies and friends of various nations and countries, that is just the bare minimum. >> so, sophia, given your reporting, these are the folks you cover. the likelihood of them doing, what congresswoman edwards said, that democrats are going to save her johnson? >> look, house democratic
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leadership has said, let's not say anything just yet. a lot of rank-and-file members created this problem, it's your problem, you deal with it, that's the sentiment. i think that we may not, to congresswoman edwards point, we may not get to this point because the key is that former president trump does not want another ugly speakership fight. marjorie taylor greene knows that. i think she has really boxed herself in. the thinking in trump world, from what i am hearing, is that speaker johnson is as good as it gets. they will not get a more conservative speaker, so why do this? six, seven months before an election? >> there was a towel, because ladies and gentlemen, i watched marjorie taylor greene's interview so you would not have to. at the very end of the interview, where she says if he does not do so, he will be vacated, what she said after that was, "there are special
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elections coming up, where we will get three more seats, and then basically, we will have the votes to oust him." kevin mccarty's seat will not be filled until a special election in may. that's early may. just from what i've told you, because i don't know if you watched your interview like i did, is she giving herself some wiggle room so that when they come back from recess, she is not under any pressure to really drop the hammer on this motion to vacate? >> absolutely. she has said this is a pink slip. there are trump allies who have confronted her to say, why are you doing this? she has told them, it's a pink slip. so, she left washington without pulling the trigger. i do not think that she will pull the trigger. i think her momentum is not really moving, anywhere, right now. >> charlie, do you agree with the consensus around the table, that marjorie taylor greene, i think what i said yesterday,
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but donald trump, he is always selling wolf tickets, do you think she is selling wolf tickets on this threat? tmac yes. i completely agree. they are not going to get rid of mike johnson. the democrats are not going to go along with all of that. i do think that it is worthwhile, sort of stepping back, and thinking about how extraordinary this weekend was. political courage is becoming vanishingly rare among congressional republicans. what you saw was quite remarkable. whatever happens with mike johnson, i think that it is worthwhile, taking a deep breath and saying, you know, the congress of the united date did the right thing. this is the most important foreign policy piece of legislation in this congress, and republicans, despite all of the pressure from mar-a-lago, and steve bannon, and the base, stood beside our allies and provided ports for israel, ukraine, and taiwan.
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this is an amazing moment, you know? given bitter bipartisanship and tribal is asian of our politics, you had this bipartisan cooperation and this cause i coalition government that nobody really likes, but actually, in the end, at least for this weekend, i would not count on that lasting for very long. >> yes, just for this weekend only. all right, everybody. we will be back with my sound off panel after a short break, where we discussed the extra narrative element at columbia university after pro- palestinian protest led to student arrest's. now, warning from jewish students about their safety on campus, and the eve of passover. passover. provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. (♪♪) i'm getting vaccinated with
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even after more than 100 demonstrators were arrested on campus last week. as a result, a rabbi at columbia university is urging all jewish students to return to their homes for their own safety. this comes on the eve of the jewish passover holiday, which begins tomorrow night. the white house released a statement this afternoon saying "violence and physical intimidation targeting jewish students and the jewish community is lately anti-semitic -- and has no place in united dates." i'm back with my panel. during the break, we were chatting about this, and you mentioned that you are on the board of the universe -- of a university. how have these demonstrations impacted, your view, impacted university campuses around the country? >> i think it depends where you are anything that has been our experience. our president, along with the dean, have been
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really careful about managing conversations among students, which has quelled things. it's a different campus than a columbia campus. i think that it is really complex for college presidents, but there's absolutely no place for violence. there is plenty of print place for protest, not violence. >> i agree, completely. there are two principles we need to uphold. number one is freedom of speech and the freedom to peacefully assemble, but also, the need to draw the line when it comes to intimidation and violence. i will admit, as the son of a jewish world war ii veteran, i continue to be shocked, although perhaps i should not be, by some of the anti-somatic rhetoric and some of the hatred addressed and directed at jewish people. it's one thing to degree with -- disagree with is really foreign-policy, but there are occasions where that crosses the line. any university needs to find
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that balance between protecting free speech and the right to protest, but also creating an environment where jewish students do not fear for their safety on a university campus. >> sophia, in the time we have left, i want to switch gears and talk about the republican on republican action, on capitol hill. congressman tony gonzalez, republican, texas, was on cnn earlier today, talking about the dysfunctional house and his description of the people he has to work with. watch this. >> look, the house is a rough and rowdy place, but mike johnson will be just fine. i served 20 years in the military, it's my honor to be in congress, but i served with scumbags. hobgood endorsed my opponent, these people used to walk around with white hoods at night and are walking around with white hoods in the daytime. >> sophia, that right there, is
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an example of why republican, the republican majority can't have nice things, where they are trying to get any legislation. >> my mother used to tell me, i mean, this is republican on republican. this is a reminder of what most of this year has looks like in the house. speaker johnson put out the impeachment vote and failed. he put out votes that have failed and you have a republican not mincing words, describing his republican colleague on national television. that is really remarkable and i will not take sides, here. >> of course not, i would never put you on the spot of having to give an opinion because you are a news journalist. charlie, you are not. he's not just describing one person, this is a plural on
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that. >> he is not wrong. that really escalated, didn't it? the way the republicans are talking about other republicans, talking about marjorie taylor greene, this is an extraordinary moment. it's one thing to say the republican majority has been dysfunctional, but i am struggling to remember a time when a political party was at one another's throats the way republicans are, right now. >> you've got five seconds if you have any thoughts, congresswoman edwards. >> white hoods, that's enough for me. >> former congresswoman edwards, charlie sykes, sophia chai, thank you for joining us for "the sunday show". we are back with more "the sunday show", right here on msnbc. stay with us. all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine
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