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they will hear alternate -- opening statements tomorrow. it wasn't a smooth road, because defendant trump was all but digging the potholes himself with an assist from some of his cable news allies. >> she said two things that stuck out, one, "i don't really have an opinion of trump, and no one is above the law." i'm not so sure about this juror. >> trump then quoted water saying, "they are catching undercover liberal activist line to the judge in order to get on the jury." that's not only a complete lie but according to prosecutors, a violation of the gag order and it's clearly an attempt to undermine and intimidate the people who simply showed up at the manhattan courthouse to fulfill their civic duty. the next morning, the same juror was called into question asked

to be removed because she had concerns about being publicly identified. that hardly sounds like a coincidence to me. even a number of those who are not directly targeted by a fox news segment or true social post expressed extreme anxiety about this trial. one reportedly broke down, crying during questioning, saying, "i have to be honest, i feel so nervous and anxious right now. i'm sorry." another said, i have really bad anxiety and people have found out where i am." it's pretty easy to see why they might feel that way. imagine being called for jury duty and facing a defendant like trump who has a known history of going after anyone and everyone, not to mention he has an audience who take his words quite literally. that has long been his strategy and is likely to continue as the trial goes on. a former member of trump's white house legal team said "expect some jurors will crack

under the immense pressure they will be under." no doubt, a lot of that will come from trump itself, because a fair trial, by an impartial jury of his peers, it may be what he fears the most. these people were carefully selected to do the job they've been asked to do. the founding fathers put jury trials in the constitution because they give citizens the final say. they put the power in the hands of the people, of the rules, not the rulers. joining me now is our in-house law firm, and the former general counsel of the fbi and a senior member of robert mueller's team. i want to start right where i ended. obviously, as a citizen nonlawyer, you think, that sounds intimidating, jurors are scared. from a legal standpoint, is

this considered juror intimidation, and how concerned are you about the potential for others to drop out? >> yes, it's intimidation and i'm tremendously worried about it. donald trump does not trust the founders to put all of this, and the decision of citizens, as you were saying. he is desperate. he is facing 34 different counts in this trial. opening statements begin tomorrow. this is like taylor swift's new record has 31 songs, it's a double record -- >> pop culture reference. >> absolutely. what is his strategy? to try and remove as many jurors as possible. there are six alternates, he's probably not going to get there, but i think his idea is if he can get rid of a couple, particularly the ones most likely to convict, that is what he's aiming for. i think it's absolutely a violation of the gag order. the gag order, trump is barred

from making or directing others to make public statements about any prost active juror or any juror in this proceeding. that's exactly what he did. >> it sounds exactly like what he just did. coming back to the gag order, there's a hearing this week. we are trying to understand, there are 12 jurors and its alternate. what happens if seven of them do remove themselves from participating as jurors in this trial? what happens then? >> well, if that happens, you have what is called a mistrial and you have to start again, but i want to just underscore a couple things. jurors in this city, i am in new york right now, they have rendered verdicts with respect to organized crime, leaders with respect to terrorists, i think that people should not

underestimate the fact that jurors are going to do their duty. it is shocking to me that we are having this conversation, right now, about the former leader. we are joining other nations that have done exactly the same thing with respect to corrupt leaders, holding them to account. there is a jury system. i think that these jurors, as a collective, take the responsibility seriously. i think we should not jump to what will happen if seven dropped out. you know what? people have a lot of moxie. they have a lot of great in this city and they think that, i really would not be worried about it. i also think judge merchan is a no-nonsense judge , and judges take their responsibilities, particularly in respect to jurors, very seriously. even if there is a finding of a

fine, you can believe that judge merchan will make it clear that any further efforts on donald trump's part are going to be met with severe sanctions. i'm confident he will not put up with the kind of shenanigans that have happened already. >> i am not predicting, certainly, that more jurors will drop out, these people have been through extensive questioning, let me come back to the gag order. they said that the gag order was unconstitutional, there is a hearing on tuesday. what are we anticipating? >> what possible arguments trump's lawyers will make, i think he obviously did.

they will say the gag order is unconstitutional, a violation of his first amendment right. these are imposed all the time in cases like this and, for the most important of reasons, so i think the argument is going nowhere. there's a $1000 fine, because what they want is a stern warning for trump that says if you do this again, you are going to jail and that is the ball game, what is the punishment going to be? >> that's another event to watch. let me come back, there's been reporting from the new york times that david packer is expected to be the first witness. lisa rubin predicted that and outlined why that would be the case. there's ongoing reporting and speculation about trump testifying. it seems like a disaster, as a nonlawyer, but explain to us what the prosecution may be thinking, if it's trump wanting

to do it himself, what the impact could be if he decided to testify and they decided to have him do that. >> everyone should know the defendant, and a defendant like trump does not have to testify. the jury will be told that. that's true of any defendant. he has a right to testify regardless of what his lawyers are strongly advised and i am confident that they will throw their bodies in front of the witness stand, trying to get him not to take the stand and if you are the prosecutors, you are licking your chops, thinking fine, you want to take the stand? great. the amount of cross-examination material, as you know, from having watched him and covered

him, is, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of prior inconsistent statements, that the polite way of saying lie, prior bad acts. he is taking the stand -- if he takes the stand it's a deathknell to the case. he is unpredictable and has a lot of hubris. look at the case with e jean carroll where he decided that he could do it better than his lawyers and the judgment went from $5 million-$85 million. if he proceeds, i don't think he will help himself. >> some of the reporting won't surprise you, that prosecutors want to cross-examine him about lawsuits he has lost, taxis made on women, where if you are in the jury, that's a lot of context. tomorrow, everybody convenes at 9:30, opening statements, maybe do we have time to hear from a

witness? they are breaking it 2:00 because of passover. >> first, i would watch for the judge's rulings on the sandoval hearing, which is basically the judge saying, here is what i will allow prosecutors to talk to donald trump about if he testifies. do they talk about carol, do they talk about these other lies, the things andrew is referring to? it's for that reason amongst so many others there is no chance that donald trump will testify. if he had an unofficial mascot, it would be a chicken. there is no chance on earth. that's the first thing i'm watching for. then, i would watch for david and how the prosecution introduces him and tells that story, because it's remarkable and has been chalked up to oh, it's about stormy daniels did know, trump is basically capturing media, the parties most worried about, and paying

them for silence. that's a remarkable thing and interfered with the 2016 election in a massive way and that's the story we hear tomorrow. >> we have locklin cartwright last week, and his story is remarkable. he was the number two guy at the time. we will see a lot of both of you on our televisions over the next several days and weeks. next, an interview with gavin newsom. i will ask about donald trump's trial, joe biden's prospects, and a draw -- a jaw-dropping new ad he's debuting, focusing on reproductive rights. we will be right back with governor gavin newsom. and built for adventure. which can also be your own quiet cabin in the woods. the fully electric q8 e-tron. an electric vehicle that recharges you.

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the alarm about the rollback every productive right and individual liberties. since then, things have only gotten worse. recently, a near-total abortion ban from 1864 was reinstated in arizona and alabama, the site of that conversation with the governor, years ago, hospitals were forced to pause ivf treatment. will that has received a lot of attention, lawmakers and even tried to make it a crime to facilitate out-of-state abortions which is probably not received as much focus as it deserves. communism is still at it, releasing a new ad that will air in alabama as part of an effort to raise awareness about that legislation. in an exclusive, we are debuting that ad for the first time. i will warn you, it's disturbing, but important to watch. >> we are almost there. we are going to make it.

>> trump republicans want to criminalize young alabama women who traveled for reproductive care. >> i need you to step out of the vehicle and take a pregnancy test. >> stop them by taking action. >> joining me now from a planned parenthood clinic in sacramento is california governor, gavin newsom. i appreciate you taking the time i want to start with this ad that i've now watched many times, it's chilling. it will air in alabama. for people who are out there just watch that and think, that's an exaggeration, this is it really going to happen, what do you say to them? >> idaho already did. think god it's been stopped by the courts, but it's a law that

is in effect in idaho and is being advanced not just in alabama, tennessee and oklahoma. so much attention has been focused, ivf, understandably, focused on what just occurred in arizona as it relates to the 1864 law. not enough attention is on the fact that we are not just criminalizing women's access to reproductive care in certain states, we are now criminalizing their travel. >> that's so important to understand, people in states around california, like arizona, who want to come to california, this is a threat people need to take seriously. talking about arizona, for the second time in two weeks, republicans in arizona, even after seeing the response, blocked an effort to repeal the ban based on a law that was passed in 1864. this time, there was video, of republicans actually cheering on the floor of the legislature. what was going through your mind when you watched that video? >> it sickens you.

i've got two young daughters. the fact that they won't have the same rights as their mom did, it goes back to that travel point. hundred 60,000 women had to leave their state. that was last year, taxes reproductive care. now, the alabama ag wants to incarcerate them for five years to life, women aiding and abetting, not just the women, but those that support the women, to get out of their respective states. we now have a band that goes back to 1864 in the state of arizona and they are celebrating. 1864. i thought the republican party wanted to put a wrecking ball to the 21st century, now they want to re-create the 19th century. for me, it's chilling and goes well beyond the issue of just women's. -- women through productive care

. this consequential moment, that is absorbing most of our focus, not some of the other tangential things that get more focus at this precious and important moment in american history. >> that's an important point that people forget. when we sat down in alabama last year, you warned that it could going after lgbtq rights, contraception. what's next? what should people be bracing themselves for if these politics continue to run as they are? >> they have been on a cultural purge, censoring historical facts, it's happened in the open. they are not just talking about regression in states, they are talking about rights being regressed in the nation. you and i know, everybody watching those, that of donald trump becomes president again, he will sign a national

abortion ban, full stop. he is the one responsible for the conditions that persist today, and those same conditions, again, continue to process as it relates to rights that are being vandalized by the united states supreme court. >> you mentioned donald trump, and what stuck out to me, he said he would not sign an abortion ban, he leans into, it should be up to the state, which is, by the way, leaving millions of women across the country without access to abortion. it sounds like you don't believe him on his claim that he won't sign the ban. >> he's a liar. he's not telling the truth. he will say whatever he needs to say on any day of the week. give me a break. he has created these conditions, he celebrated those conditions, the fact that he was responsible for overturning roe v wade. he said he would criminalize women, he's on tape saying these things and will say whatever he needs to say at a given moment so don't think for

a second that if the great lindsey graham sends him a bill and it gets to congress, that he doesn't sign that. you know he will. everyone knows that. you can't trust this person by any stretch of the imagination. these conditions persist and are made possible by one person. donald trump, mitch mcconnell. that is why we have to, i think, be more clear, more concise in the condemnation, and remind people of what is at stake in the selection and again, i recognize what is at stake because we are already feeling and dealing with it, people seeking reproductive care in california is up by 17%. i am here at planned parenthood and it's important to remind people that a third of planned parenthood patients in america are here in the state of california. no state has more responsibility, more

opportunity, and a bigger burden than the state of california. >> i want to ask about arizona senate race. another person attempting to change, soft and, shift, chameleon whatever, is one of arizona's more known republicans, carey lake. she initially praised the measure as a great law, but now says the state supreme court decision to revive it is out of step the people of her state. she's been joking about blocks, that separate but related, what you make of her evolving stance? >> a person of remarkable character and conviction with compelling moral authority, that puts her finger to the wind and moves with the prevailing wind, please. her integrity has the form and substance, dare i say, you see the golden state bridge behind me, of fob. -- of fob.

she said last week that people, well, don't worry about in 1864 van in arizona, you can go to california and go to a neighboring state, which she took back, literally and seriously. she cannot be taken literally or seriously. >> more of my conversation with governor gavin newsom is coming up after a quick break. i will ask about the start of donald trump's first criminal trial. some of what he says may surprise you. that is next. clay matvick but for those who don't clear the virus, it can cause certain cancers. wow... gardasil 9 is a vaccine given to adults through age 45 that can help protect against certain hpv-related cervical, vaginal, vulvar, anal, and certain head and neck cancers, such as throat and back of mouth cancers,

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race. of course. here is more of my exclusive interview with governor gavin newsom. >> you might have heard, in addition to the threat to women's rights across the country, there was a criminal trial that got underway this week in new york city. the full jury is seated and we expect opening statements monday. there's been a chorus, that's been suggesting this case only helps trump, politically. i'm curious, you've seen the first week, you're talking to an undecided voter about why this case matters, what do you say? >> it should matter. you have a president with 88 criminal counts that he is dealing with. that said, may i give you a personal point of view? this is a guy that does not care if he is the hero or the heel, he just wants to start. he gets what he wants in many

ways, and that is pulling focus from the conversation we just had, to focus again on him. when we focus on him, i worry that he has an advantage. i am a little concerned about the overindulgence around the day today, i get it. i totally get it with the consequential nature of criminal trial is profound, but not more than democracy, and the consequences of him prevailing in this election in november, and perhaps what i thought was one of the biggest stories of the week, robert kennedy junior getting on the ballot in michigan, one of the seven swing states. i tend to be in that camp, a little less is more as it relates to our possession and focus in putting any more bright lights on someone who seeks them no matter how ill- conceived and ill-fated his

current standing might be. >> let me ask you about electoral politics. rfk junior will be on the ballot in michigan which is a swing state the president needs to win. obviously, he just got the endorsement from members of the kennedy family. how worried are you about the potential impact of rfk on president biden's re-election chances? >> he's a kennedy. we revere kennedys, at least i do. that's real. it's real. poll suggests that it may be a little less, but common sense would dictate that it's real. we know that. that's determinative, those third parties. 44,000 votes. now we've got

seven potential. we know we are going to be more tough than we have been in the past. it's a master class of focus, and then we go to other states like wisconsin. i think we have a great shot, there, and the last three in michigan and the two that i'm referring to, nevada and arizona, where i put in all my time and energy and focus, but bobby kennedy junior gets on more than just that one critical swing state. i think you have to take that very seriously. >> let me ask you about, you received a begrudging amount of respect from republicans for your willingness to do things like debate ron desantis, and go into the belly of the beast. as we are looking into the next critical seven months, what

should other democrats learn from that? how do we approach the right wing and the disinformation machine? >> you said it. the disinformation machine. so often, allusion rules, facts don't matter. you got the weaponization of grievance, 24 seven, spewing propaganda. here is one of the strongest economies in our lifetime. you're one of the most extraordinary records of any president in our lifetime on manufacturing and industrial policy, that every single day, including the last few, in pennsylvania, is making profound and consequential analysis about blue-collar workers in the field and future of this country and our competitive strength and it's not getting attention because of the propaganda on other networks. for me, that we have to meet people where they are and we can't to be in denial that they are in that space. i don't want that to bleed out into other

networks, so we are responding on their terms. we have a moral issue of time, the issue of women and girls. they want to deny access not just reproductive care, but to the future of women and girls, their life, their self- determination. this is profound. how can women support donald trump for election this november? i think that's the cause and case we need to make with vigor and passion and purpose, because there is profound meaning and consequences. we need to get into these sideshows that are made to advantage trump and don't advantage the american people and women and girls that count on us. >> i know it drives you crazy that people speculate that you are waiting in the wings to run for president. i know it's not going to happen, you know it's not, but what do you think is fueling that speculation? >> i don't know. i don't think much anymore and

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ukraine is critically important. i really do believe the intel. i think vladimir putin would continue to march through europe if he were allowed. >> it is the right thing. ukraine needs funding. it's quite a turnaround from the guy who never voted for ukraine aid before he was speaker. he didn't vote for it after ukraine was invaded in 2022, not even after ukrainian forces bravely repelled a russian takeover of kyiv. so, what happened? well, he says he had a change of heart because of the intelligence briefings. at the same time, there are signs that religion played a big role, including lobbying from the head to ukrainian churches and pressure from hyper tile -- high-profile baptist. whatever really prompted johnson to see the light, it was not without bumps along the way, thanks to marjorie taylor green and others who would apparently rather see russia prevail. many are threatening to oust speaker johnson over this, because they believe putin is

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the show. while a certain former president throws around claims about how unfair it is to him, it's important to remember that for countless americans without the means, the system can be very unfair. one of the people working to change that is john legend. a decade ago he launched the free america initiative to push for reform. now, the artist is using a creative medium to spark change . telling their stories. he hosted six people at his home whose lives have been impacted by baylor of warm, for a candid discussion about their experience. here's part of their story and our discussion about the work he's doing. he's doing. >> we are all innocent until proven guilty. it's not fair that we have a

system that relies on you having enough money to pay your way to freedom. >> i've been involved in this movement to end mass incarceration for about a decade. the work all of us did to make sure free trial of freedom was extended to more people paid off in improving real human beings lives, their families lives, and made all of our communities safer. >> hello! welcome. >> thank you. >> we want to talk about what freedom feels like. what it means to be home, with our loved ones. we want to talk about free trial freedom, bill reform. -- bail reform. >> say good morning. >> trial freedom, to me, is being able to not miss a beat with my children. missing time with them is detrimental.

>> being able to care for my dad, being able to make sure the bills are paid, for me to be able to strategize with my lawyer. you can't do that behind bars. >> the most important thing in my life is change, i'm working to getting my certifications. i've been free and sober for a year. >> i've had relatives and friends in jail and in prison. my mother was incarcerated for a time. so many people are doing these things out of trauma, out of pain, out of desperation, out of poverty. everyone has a story like that and we have to decide whether we are going to inflict harm and punishment or try to help heal and grow. >> it's important, for changing minds. how we do that, continuing to have this conversation and using the language of love, freedom, and liberation. >> every time i have been incarcerated i come out worse than i have been in. if you heal, and can help the next person heal, your community will be that much safer.

>> everyone is worried about safety. those investments in freedom are what is going to make us safer, investing in freedom, investing in human flourishing will make us more safe. >> a world of true freedom is these conversations, whether it is in a small town, big-time, beautiful table or card table, pulling people together and allowing them to listen to each other is freedom. >> joining me now is john legend. thank you for joining us . >> my pleasure. great to see you and great to speak with you. >> first, this is pretty personal to you. all of the work you've done in criminal justice reform, informing the public, storytelling, tell me a little more about your personal connection and why you got involved. >> growing up in springfield, ohio, i had many family members that interacted with the criminal justice system. somewhere in prison, somewhere in jail, my mother spent time

in jail. so, when we talk about free trial freedom, we talk about reforming the way we think about punishment, in our criminal legal system. it really does hit home. >> you been working on this for years, you are not new to the issue. why is there such a disconnect about this issue? >> the reason we care so much is because our jails end up housing so many people, and they are not set up to make people's lives better. what ends up happening is people who are innocent, until proven guilty, in our system everybody knows that, if you watch law and order, you watch the life and times of donald trump, every trial he's part of, you notice he's not running time in jail before he goes to trial. he's innocent until he is proven guilty, and we all know

that. what happens with folks who cannot afford dale, they have to languish in jail until their case. what ends up happening, we get ruled by the anecdote, the new york post will run a story, fox news will run a story, the local news will run a story and say, this one person got out of jail on bail and did this crime , but the actual numbers, the actual data is resoundingly clear, that folks that benefit from pretrial freedom do not go out and commit more crimes. >> we just showed a clip a part of the gathering you hosted at your own home. >> we work with a group that gathers folks from around the country, and we had a gathering at my house. we wanted to really humanize

the positive effects of pretrial freedom and make sure people understood their stories that were attached to that in the lives attached, the families attached to that. we had people come to my house. >> one of the things you hear from trump supporters is that he signed the first step in 2018, he is a partner. what you say to people who say he would be an ally? >> he has not been an ally. the first step act was fine. it was a very small reform. most of the reform we need is on the local and state level, because most incarceration is local and state and most of the laws that end up being criminally enforced our local and state laws. that being said, he's claiming credit for small things and is also saying, you know, if people are stealing something they should get shot in the

middle of the store. when we protested the killing of george floyd, he was advocating for the military to shoot us in the streets. he has made it clear that he believes black people are inferior. he believes that, to his core, in his bones. he would not let us live in his buildings, back in the day. when you hear some of the comments he makes, he clearly believes in an agenda and higher of humanity and it is racially determined. he is a tried and true, dyed in the wool racist. at the core of his being, he is a racist. i don't want to hear what he has to say about what he's done for black people. he's done very little for us, and he is, at his core, truly, truly a racist. you even hear what he says about immigration, which

countries he wants people to come in from, they are all very white. >> that is true. that is pretty universal about them. i know you have been on the campaign trail before, are you campaigning for joe biden? >> we will get out there probably later in the year, as it gets close to people making decisions when it's time to vote. i think the choice is clear. there's a lot that has been said about age and these other things, both are old, but one of them is a really decent man who has done a lot to improve lives in this country, and that's joe biden so that is who i am voting for and i will be out there supporting him. >> thank you to john legend for great conversation and the work he's doing on criminal justice reform. estimate that does it for me. my new book is out may 7th and the book tour is coming to a city near you. new york city is first on may 8th and i will have more on who

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