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to an $800 prepaid card. don't wait- call today. thanks for watching "the beat." i'm out monday but i'll be back with you in the middle of the week and the whole gang will have you covered for opening arguments monday. "the reidout" is up next.
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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i gotta say, chris, now i'm looking at -- there's a man on fire, chris. in the middle of a square in front of me where protesters were standing. an individual has now set himself on fire. >> nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian today reporting on the shocking self emilation of a man outside the trump trial. as it happened, this as the historic trial draws media attention from around the world. also tonight, just a short time ago, judge merchan denied a last-minute appeal by trump and declared to the former president and everyone else in court, we're going to have opening statements on monday morning. this trial is starting. and we begin tonight with our new reality as a country, and in the media, as our first ever criminal trial of a former
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u.s. president is slated to get under way bright and early monday morning. in the state of new york versus donald trump. the jury of 12 plus six alternates was sworn in this afternoon, much more quickly than anymore anyone expected. but the reality that we're now faced with is my industry, the media, which has struggled with how to cover a former president who fomented an actual insurrection and is running for president again now has to figure out how to cover the absolute spectacle of him being on trial. the historic undertaking is understandably attracting a global media presence, which of course, is what trump wants and thrives on. expect him to use the media packed outside the courtroom to do his trump show every day of the trial. but the crush of media gathered in manhattan is far outpacing the population of what donald trump also wanted to see. he had called for a massive outpouring of supporters to rise
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up while he is stuck in the courtroom. but the designated protest area across the street that he wanted to be filled with his fans has been anything but. only a few dozen people showed up earlier in the week vastly outnumbered by the crush of reporters. but the designated protest area is a space for anyone who wants to make a point, whatever that point may be. with a massive throng of cameras and reporters from around the world just across the street. that is what happened today. minutes after the full jury was empanelled inside the courthouse. i should warn you the following image is graphic. it shows a man who set himself on fire in that designated protest area. the man was taken to a hospital. he is alive and in critical condition. police have identified him as maxwell azarello of st. augustine, florida. he had arrived in new york some time earlier in the week. three law enforcement officers told nbc news that he may have
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posted his intention to set himself on fire in advance on his substack. and while the investigation is ongoing, it definitely raises concerns, not just about the security and safety of those involved with the trial itself. it raises that other point i mentioned about what the spectacle of the trump trial of the 21st century might attract over the next several weeks and the question of why a young man would self emoilate in the park. >> we do not believe he is -- this was targeting any particular person or any particular group. we just right now are labeling it as sort of a conspiracy theorist. >> joining me is nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian who witnessed that in front of the courthouse. jim kavanaugh, retired atf special agent and msnbc contributor, and michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian and friend of the show. yasmin, i want to start with you. tell us about that moment you
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were there and witnessed it live. >> it was an unbelievable moment to see. i gotta say. i was on the air live. i was with chris jansing earlier in the day. history in the making. the first jury ever seated for this historic trial which we'll all be watching closely over the next six weeks. then i heard a scream out of my right ear. in which someone said he is setting himself on fire. i turned to my right just off camera and about 50 feet in front of me, joy, really half a block, half a new york city block, i see a large plume of fire. about 20 to 25 feet high. and i gotta say, in my head, i thought for a moment, okay, that is an area that is cordoned off for protesters. i have seen protesters there back in april when the former president was first arraigned. there were protesters there on monday as well. that number has gone down every single day since then. and so i thought, someone set off a fire, and then i looked
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more closely as i was speaking live with chris. and i saw the outline of an individual's body. and i thought to myself, that is a human being. they have set themselves on fire, and his hands were raised in the air as he was standing there, arms wide open. and he burned for two minutes. it seemed like a lifetime. but it was two to three minutes. and then collapsing to the ground as security personnel, members of the fdny, members of nypd showed up and were able to put out that fire. and i gotta say, joy, what i saw with my own eyes and what his body had gone through at that moment is unexplainable. and his body then shook. and emts showed up. they put him on a stretcher, and they carried him out. when he lit himself on fire, joy, i was told by another
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person, another witness that saw this all go down, that he initially had knelt down, and we learned this from officers as well during the press conference. he reached into his backpack, and he had thrown up into the air a ton of papers. then he had doused himself in fluid, in lighter fluid of some sort. he had used a lighter then to light himself on fire. on those papers were wide ranging conspiracy theories, honestly. none of it made sense. it was all nonsensical. it was political, some was about the mob, some was about various universities here in new york as well as throughout the country. they were wide ranging conspiracy theories. whether or not that is what motivated this individual to do that, we don't know. but it was a shocking moment. juxtaposing that to what we were also reporting on at that very moment, which was empanelling a jury to sit and decide the fate of the ex-president of the united states.
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it was an incredible moment to see as a journalist and as a citizen here in new york, it's something you imagine seeing in a war zone. i have reported in war zones before, but you would never imagine seeing it in downtown manhattan, in my hometown, when they report on the former president of the united states. >> yeah, and jim kavanaugh, just to listen to yasmin explain that, it's harrowing because even that type of protest is not a protest that is typical in the united states. we did see it with the young man who protested, it was a free palestine protester, a military veteran, lit himself on fire. that was a rare kind of western version of this. these are protests that during the vietnam war we would see tibetan monks do. this was nat kind of protest. it's very unusual in western society for someone to do that. and it also doesn't appear to be related to this trial. but this trial is going to attract just intense media attention. it's going to attract media,
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which means it's going to attract whoever wants to use that media for whatever purposes they have. including tragic ones. >> exactly, joy. first, let me say what great reporting here. you're at the spot of a big event, a trial of a former president, and you witness, you know, a horrible suicide, a violent death. that's what this is. that's what yasmin witnessed and described for us. this is why we have a free press. i think michael can elaborate on that for us deeply, but this is why we have a free society, because we can have correspondents that can report what's actually going on because we can't all be there. look, this person traveled from florida. and i have worked these cases where people strap bombs on themselves, they blow themselves up, they kill themselves. fire, explosives, firearms. we were also involved in that with atf, and i think you saw atf agents on the scene because they're the government's bomb
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and arson experts. people do this to themselves but the point here is the person traveled from florida all the way to the trump trial. this is not connected to trump, it has really nothing to do with him. i read all his writings he posted. it's nonsensical, as yasmin clearly reported. it doesn't make sense. he named every politician, every hollywood person, every billionaire, every person on the news, every name he can think of. he tied them all together in some crackpot conspiracy theory. he's a disturbed person. it doesn't make any sense. i think the good part of that, though, is hopefully the judge will take a look at that, to reassure his jurors that this was not directed at the trial, at mr. trump, at them, at the court family. i hope he takes the time to do that. i would even say, you know, to the judge, consider letting the jurors read his rantings which are only a couple pages. once you read it, you will be
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more relaxed this is not anything directed at you. just to close, the secret service protection of mr. trump, i have been on many of these details. let me tell you, they were not at all worried about his security. he's in that large courthouse building. this is outside in a fenced in area with lots of nypd and new york county courts police. they're not worried about that. they would have had protective intelligence special agents outside. they were getting it on their ear plugs right away. they know exactly what's going on, exactly the danger. the danger here is not to mr. trump. the danger here is to the court family, the jurors. for other mentally disturbed individuals, emotional people who can come to this location which is the center now, it kind of becomes a place like the white house or the capitol, you know, where emotionally disturbed people are drawn to it like a magnet. so that's the danger going forward. >> indeed, and michael, so this is -- this is a never before
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occurring -- a never before occurrence in the united states. a former president of the united states on trial in a criminal trial, but it is a spectacle that is unique. give us a little context because it can attract anything. it can be a carnival, donald trump wanted it to be a protest, it's not. it's attracting cameras, and it's just different. it's the trial of the century without cameras in the courtroom, they're outside. >> it is, and as we say all the time, you and all four of us, he's not guilty until proven guilty if he ever is. but the people who founded this country were not exactly anticipating that someone who was a president of the united states and even more who is seeking the people's affirmative vote to become president again would be on criminal trial, what, six months before the election, seven months before the election. it just boggles the mind. you know what i would love to do, i know "the reidout" has no investigative unit, but i wish
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you did because i would love to know who was the brilliant genius on the trump campaign staff who said, he can campaign from the courtroom. well, what we heard about today and saw in those drawings, we'll get a lot more detail, is someone, this is the opposite of campaigning to get votes. he's losing votes. he shows no strength. there's about no place in the world where you're showing that you're less in control when you're sitting in a courtroom with a jury and a judge. this is someone who is on display for eight hours a day. i think it's probably fair to say charitably this is not someone in the best mental or physical or emotional shape. that's going to be on display for hours. and my historical point, and i'll end with this, is when in modern times have we gotten to see a presidential nominee to be, as he shortly will be, on display for eight hours? usually we see them in campaign
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bites, carefully scripted appearances. if he's trying to make the argument that he's at his peak and he's. just as alert as possible and he's totally tanned, rested, and ready to become president of the united states, he's going to have to get through this for eight hours a day for six weeks or more. >> indeed. we saw hillary clinton sit for 11 hours of a deposition and stayed awake the entire time. donald trump did not manage to keep his eyes open during his eight hours today or previously. yasmin, great job out there. jim, michael, we thank you all so much. >> with a full jury now seated in donald trump's first criminal trial with opening statements set for monday morning, we have more of the latest from the dramatic day in that new york courtroom today. courtroom today.
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>> yes. >> leaveing the courtroom today, donald trump says he will testify in his first criminal trial, which appears to be moving full steam ahead. 12 jurors and six alternates have officially been selected and sworn in. opening statements are set to begin monday morning. but we did not get here without some intense and at times emotional moments inside the courtroom. to quote my colleague, the great lisa reuben, if today's jury selection had a theme song, it would be under pressure. this morning, three perspective
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jurors all of whom were women expressed concerns about their inability to serve due to their fears surrounding the case. the first juror was dismissed after saying she has really bad anxiety and wouldn't be able to be completely here and fair. adding, people have found out where i am. another broke down crying while she was being questioned, saying, i have to be honest. i feel so nervous and anxious right now. a third juror was excused after saying she felt anxiety and self-doubt. her voice audibly cracking while answering questions. all of this underscores the unique challenge the jurors in this trial face. a trial that at times has felt more like that of a mob boss than that of a former president. today, for example, trump's attorneys once again asked for the name of the first witness, which the d.a.'s office has refused to share with the defense, due to the fact that trump has been posting about everyone and anyone involved in the case on social media.
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including the judge and his family. the d. aff's office responded that they will give the name on sunday and, quote, if that should be tweeted, that will be the last time we provide that courtesy. and who could blame them? we're talking about someone who has multiple times compared himself favorably to america's most infamous mobster, al capone. >> i have been indicted more than al capone, mr. president, do you know who that is? even the president just said i do. scarface, al capone. if he had dinner with you and he didn't like the smile on your face, he thought you were mocking him by smiling, you would be dead before you got home and said hello to your wife. >> joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent, and harry lipman, former u.s. attorney. lisa, i mean, donald trump saying if al capone didn't like
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you, you would be dead before you got home, that's how he talks. talk about the spectacle of potential jurors including women who are nervous and know that their names could get out having to sit before him today and potentially be on this jury. >> joy, i was most struck by the second of the three jurors you were talking about, because that perspective juror during answering the jury questionnaire revealed that she had two relationships that might be potentially of interest to the former president. first, her father is lifelong friends with another american politician who is infamously a nemesis of the former president. and she also added that she works at a company at which a famous witness who is also engaged in a grudge match with former president trump, he has a son who works there too. and although she didn't know him, it was possible she could encounter him in the future. then when one of former president trump's lawyers got up to question the jurors about
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whether they could be fair, whether they would accept principles like the fact that somebody changes their story multiple times might be evocative of the fact they're not telling the truth, during some of that questioning, that's when the juror cracked. not before, not with anything else going on. she literally burst into tears and said i feel so nervous and anxious right now. i don't know that i can do this. and you could feel the empathy of all of the people in the overflow room where i was sitting with about 100 journalists. everyone feeling for this woman because we understand this isn't a person who just talks like al capone, but is facing a contempt hearing on tuesday for what? for ten public statements, most of them social media posts, where he has talked about winces in the case and at one point quoted a fox news host who was talking about liberal activists trying to insert themselves secretly onto this jury. that's enough to make anybody
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nervous. >> and there's also the issue of sexual assault, which came up in the case. talk a little bit about that because this involves what stormy daniels will ultimately testify to and whether jurors essentially would not be able to be objective based on that issue. >> there is a perspective juror who talked about having been a victim of sexual assault not once but twice. she was asked again by susan necklace, one of trump's lawyers, whether that would be a problem for her given some of the accusations against former president trump. at that point, she said these are accusations that are entirely outside the case, and you could hear some of the journalists in the room gasp because as you just noted, stormy daniels has recently characterized the relationship that she had with former president trump as something other than perfectly consensual. you can tell now that that's going to be a disputed issue in the case. whether or not they had a relationship is one contested fact, because president trump is going to maintain he never was engaged in any sexual affairs of any kind with stormy daniels or
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karen mcdougal, the playboy model who received a settlement from the national enquirer on his behalf. more than that, even if the jurors are inclined to believe there was something going on, stormy daniels indicated she intends to tell her truth, which is that relationship between them wasn't one she entered willingly. i have a feeling that is going to be a big theme here as it has been in the e. jean carroll case and the district attorney announced today if they get to cross-examine former president trump, they believe the verdicts in both of the e. jean carroll cases are fair game, including the finding that trump sexually assaulted e. jean carroll. >> harry, let's get in on what the prosecutors are thinking now. they have to give the name of whoever that person is, and this is what ruth ben-ghiat, who specializes in autocracy. she said i agree with mary trump. some individuals cannot pair the
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form of being restrained by individuals. they are available outside the courtroom. as soon as that name is released we know what he's going to do. >> well, a few things. first, their nonrelease, it's not a small point. you can guarantee that the two trump lawyers are going to have a hellish weekend. it's one thing to prepare solidly to cross-examine someone you know will be, but it could be anyone at all. that's a serious sort of sanction for his misbehavior. but second, yes, it is exactly as you say, there's been on the one hand, judge merchan made quick work of things, but yet there are these eruptions of kind of chaos and stress and we have almost a tale of two trials. and as it goes forward, those will be the sort of high points that people remember and this trial could be really freighted
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going forward or it could stay smooth. it's been two different kinds of weeks, it seems to me. >> if you were prosecuting this case, who would you call first? because there are different ways to do it. michael cohen was at the start of the catch and kill trial, as was david pecker from the national enquirer. or they could go back and start with stormy daniels. what would you anticipate being that first witness? >> yeah, it's a great and big question. cohen, they said, is going to be the sort of tour guide, but i think it would be a mistake and they won't start with him. my best guess is pecker. they'll start through macdougal and set things up for either that or a very sort of banal witness that just goes through paperwork. i think they'll start with low emotional intensity but then try to frame the story and have cohen somewhere in the middle. you don't want him as the last, you don't want him as the first. >> and give us a sense of what we should expect to see, lisa, on monday morning at 9:30 sharp.
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>> 9:30 sharp, we're going to have a little judicial house keeping. merchan is going to tell us what the permissible scope of the cross-examination is about trump's prior misconduct and unlawful acts. after that, we get straight to opening statements from the d.a.'s office and then in turn from trump's lawyers. i don't expect that that will take more than an hour and change on either side. then as harry said, and previewed, we'll get to the first witness. my prediction is that first witness is david pecker because the very first event in this indictment, if you're going chronologically, is the 2015 meeting at trump tower between cohen, pecker, and a person our own tom winter reported in 2018 was none other than donald trump, putting trump in the room at the beginning of the scheme is critical, and not having michael cohen do it is even more critical. >> thank you, and i expect to see you.
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don't make a lot of plans for the next six weeks. thank you both very much. coming up next, israel launches missile strikes into iran as fears grow of a widening conflict in the middle east. "the reidout" continues after this. voices of people with cidp: cidp disrupts. cidp derails. let's be honest... all: cidp sucks! voices of people with cidp: but living with cidp doesn't have to. when you sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com, you'll find inspiration in real patient stories, helpful tips, reliable information, and more. cidp can be tough. but finding hope just got a little easier. sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com. all: be heard. be hopeful. be you.
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no israeli leader has been fixated on iran as long or as consistently as benjamin
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netanyahu. since his fir year in office in 1996, he has been sounding the alarm about iran's nuke laer ambitions saying a nuclear iran would be catastrophic. in his first speech to a joint session of congress in washington, d.c., he said time was running out. in the years since, he's threatened to attack iran if it were to develop nuclear weapons. a threat that is backed by the fact that israel has nuclear weapons. though they rarely acknowledge that publicly. netanyahu's obsession with iran and obsession that i should note is mutual, takes on fresh resonance during an unprecedented week of direct attacks between the two countries which have long been engaged in a proxy war. overnight, israel carried out a limited strike firing three air launched ballistic missiles into iran targeting an air base. israel had vowed it would return to iran's retaliatory strike on saturday when iran fires missiles at israel in its first
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military assault on the country. it was retaliation for an israeli strike on april 1st on a building in syria which killed two of iran's top generals. but there's another key reason for netanyahu's singular focus on iran. it happens to take the attention and heat off of gaza. joining me now is the executive vice president of the quincy institute. the attack felt a little wag the doggish to me. these attacks don't seem designed to maybe spark a world war iii, but it definitely took attention away from gaza. what do you make of what israel is doing at the moment? >> well, certainly, this exchange between iran and israel since the israeli attack on the iranian consulate on april 1st has taken a tremendous amount of attention away from gaza. that definitely is a problem. i think, however, the scale of the attack against iran last
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night was much less than what the israelis themselves wanted. they had been clearly warned by the biden administration not to escalate this further, and even though they didn't abide by what biden had demanded which is no attack at all, they nevertheless did something that was of such a low scale that it made it possible for the iranians to pretend as if they had not been attacked at all. and as a way -- as a result, escape this escalation that both sides were on, and as a result, the entire region is drawing a sigh of relief because at least for now in the immediate term, the risk of a regional war has gone down somewhat. >> i am old enough to remember netanyahu really pushing the u.s. to invade iraq, and also really goading the u.s. to maybe follow that by invading iran, which would have been absolutely disastrous, even the cato institute said absolutely horrible idea. what is his goal here? because if he's not trying to
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make a wider war in the middle east, what is he doing? >> he's trying to survive politically, and there were cabinet ministers in his cabinet that thought this attack was far too small. they even tweeted it was lame, which shows there's a lot of division in the cabinet. what netanyahu is doing more than anything else right now is to survive politically, that unfortunately means prolonging the war in gaza and potentially enlarging the war on the rest of the middle east. this is part of the reason why i think it's crucial for the united states to make sure that its policy here is not following netanyahu, bought his objective is not to end the war in gaza. it is not to avoid a regional war. it's the opposite. >> and yet -- and yet, what we have seen the united states do is once again veto most of our allies' agreement that palestine should be admitted as a full
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member of the united nations. which caused, of course, consternation by the palestinian minister to the u.n., who seemed utterly distraught. but also now we're at odds with our european allies and some allies in asia who were for it. i don't really think i understand even the u.s. positioning here. >> i think you're one of many who are scratching their heads and trying to figure out, we said we're in favor of a two-state solution. when we have the opportunity to allow the palestinian state not necessarily its borders but nevertheless the state be admitted as a full member, we're alone in vetoing it. against close allies, japan, south korea, other states who all voted in favor, france. this is really, really shameful, but i fear it revealed from the very outset or for at least the last two decades we have not been entirely honest in trying
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to bring about a two-party state. why we have violence now is the state to a two-state solution has essentially been closed off. everyone knew if we close it off, if we're not serious about it, there will be a return to violence. that's what happened on october 7th. if we don't shift now, i fear we will see even more violence down the road. >> and ehud olmert, the former prime minister of israel said to me directly on the show that he believes a break, a clear break with netanyahu would be in the interest of both israel and the united states and a president politically. he didn't seem to understand why biden won't do it. do you? >> no, i think what biden is trying to do right now, frankly, is he wants to get a deal between israel and saudi arabia that he will then present as some sort of a peace deal. but it is nothing but a continuation of what trump started, which was explicitly throwing the palestinians under the bus, explicitly ignoring the
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palestinian nature and essentially saying all we need to do is have direct lines between dubai and israel and that amounts to peace in the region. if he chooses to go down this path, which i fear is what they're trying to donow, which is part of the reason why he vetoed the resolution, he wants it to come through that deal. part of the reason why they have not been serious about a cease-fire. they want it to come through the deal with saudi arabia and israel, is precisely that belief, but it's not going to lead the peace. it's going to sow the seeds for the next conflict. >> there stands iran where we had a deal to bring them into the world of nations and talk to them, and we threw that out the window during trump. always a pleasure. thank you very much. coming up, republicans continue their efforts to erode child labor laws. wow. happy 20th century, 21st century. the house tees up votes on ukraine and israel aid this weekend.
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what cancer took from me, golo gave back. (uplifting music) we had a choice. are we going to put people over politics because the political thing to do is always to let the extreme maga republicans crash and burn because they have so many out of control members they
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cannot govern on their own. and we could let them simply crash and burn. but when we say we're going to continue to put people over politics we actually mean it. >> blocked for months by republicans it was democrats who stepped in and got congress functioning again. with the house finally adopting a rule friday to take up a $niev.3 billion aid package for ukraine, israel, and taiwan in a bipartisan show of support that likely paved the way for passage tomorrow. that seemed to trigger some of the maga members who are furious that an extremist border will wasn't included. they could have had a bipartisan border bill too, but they chose to kill it at donald trump's request. >> johnson has become his reputation, his history, his legacy will be the speaker who
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got things done with democrats. and unfortunately, that's a fact. >> wow, that's an indictment. >> i don't even recognize the person that i once called a friend. >> that was not a joke. they really do think that bipartisanship is bad. they also think that helping ukraine is so bad that three insurrectionist republicans, representatives marjorie taylor greene, thomas massie, and paul gosar, decided to back a motion to kick fellow election denier mike johnson out of the speakership like they did to kevin mccarthy. the latest hot maga mess left one of their republican colleagues wondering who they're rooting for. >> i guess their reasoning is they want russia to win so badly that they want to oust the speaker over it. that's a strange position to take. and you know, i think -- i think they want to be in the minority, too. that's an obvious reality. >> joining me now is charles
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blow, columnist for "the new york times" and msnbc political analyst, and lizz winstead, founder and chief creative officer at the abortion access fund. thank you both for being here. charles, you know, i guess he said it best, right? that one of their republican colleagues there, that the republicans -- i guess the maga republicans want russia to win and want to be in the minority. what do you think? >> i think they don't care if russia wins is probably the best formulation of that. i don't think they care much about foreign policy. i think they care about creating chaos. i think they care about toeing the line for donald trump and making him look good. and all of them want to do this game where they just say, if i close my eyes and don't pay attention to it, it will go away. i wish it would go away, too, but i understand foreign policy and it's not going to go away. russia is knocking down the door of ukraine. that doesn't stay put. you know, if russia keeps
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marching forward, attacks a nato country, now we're drawn in because we are part of nato. it doesn't just stay there. and i think that they don't care about that. and donald trump doesn't care about that. he keeps saying, it will just go away if i was the president or it never would have happened if i was president. it has nothing to do with whether or not you're in the hot seat. it has to do with russia's motivations, with geopollicals writ large. somebody has to step to the front and say this is not a small, you know, dispute on the playground. this is a big deal. and we have to deal with it as adults. >> well, adults are hard to find nowadays in the house of representatives. lizz, let me tell you some of marjorie greene's 20 amendments to the ukraine bill and four on the israel bill. one of them was to package funding for the development of a space laser. she wants a space laser on the
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southern border. a space laser that i guess she thinks is the iron dome. she thinks there are space lasers. she had an amendment that would require any member who voted in favor of the package to conscript in the ukrainian military, the response from a representative from florida, he added his own amendment that would name marjorie taylor greene as vladimir putin's spec envoy to the congress. what are we doing? >> i mean, first of all, she's putting me out of business. when you can't even make the jokes and somebody is doing reality, that's really hard. but you know, the thing is, we >> with the people in america and these maga republicans ,
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people are okay with doing baseline funding, like that's okay. what is the purpose? isn't that the question we should all be asking at this point? like you can't do the bare minimum. >> right, and so why aren't the voters -- and to stay with you for just a moment, one of the things they are not doing it the state level is taking away women's rights. the associated press have all these horror stories they come out with about a woman went to the emergency room and no one would treat them. one was left to miscarry in the lobby restaurant. another had to call 911 from a hospital bathroom so that someone would come and get her to treat her. this is insane, liz. we are in a world now where women are literally threatened and dying in the waiting room, in the e.r. >> they are being turned away because they literally are saying we don't have anybody
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you can do gynecological or obstetric care in this hospital. doctors are fleeing idaho, texas, emergency rooms and ob/gyn's are closing down any kind of obstetric swings because of these abortion bans and so when yet again, these guy no tuitions who keep writing these laws and creating these draconian bands never are required to look at the big picture and what the big picture means no we are seeing what the big picture means and the hatred of women has become -- it's almost like you can't believe it, but we have to start connecting with it because it is just true. >> yes. it is obvious, and i am sitting here in the great state of georgia, charles, a state that has a six week abortion ban for
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which brian kemp was never punished. the republicans have ever paid a price for doing to the state what they have done in arizona and florida. why aren't there more political consequences for somebody like a brian kemp who did this to women here? >> because what republicans are doing is playing the game of slap and damage. in their minds, many of them, not all, but many of them say oh, that may be bad but in my mind, that's collateral damage i except for saving babies right and what i think america has not done is connect that across all the issues. the collateral damage game is the game they always play. it may be bad to separate immigrants from their children but that's collateral damage we have to accept in order to secure the border. it may be bad to have school shootings but that's collateral damage we have to except to have our insane view of the
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second amendment. police shootings may be bad but is something we have to accept to keep crime low. until we start to connect all of this and don't just fight when it's your issue, why would anybody make the collateral damage argument that some people are disposable what we all have to do to fight on the front of that issue, we will continue to lose. really quick, cousin about to go to break. >> him just to say it so right because what they keep doing is asking, at what point our humanity should be turned over to the government. >> absolutely. stick around. right after the break.
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we made it to the end of another week which means it is time to play our favorite game. who won the week. charles, who won the week? >> stormy daniels. you know, this is a woman who trump mocked, denied he had ever dealt with and people have whatever they can say about their line of work, but she has a story and now she gets her day in court. >> she is fierce and fabulous. i can't wait to hear her testify. liz, who do you think won the week? >> well, and this reproductive health skate where we are
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denying any sort of access to reproductive care, the rats of new york city are getting a delicious contraceptive. we can't get any contraceptive but the rats are getting a savory birth-control and i think if you talk to any woman somebody said you can have putin that is birth control, we would be very excited. >> how do rats have more rights than women in america? what is this hell skate? i want to acknowledge the nas.30th anniversary of this university gymnast who won the 2020 gymnastics collegiate championship, organ price, you go, girl. morgan price won the week. thank you very much. all in with chris hayes starts now.

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