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good morning from jerusalem are people are waking up from the news israel has attacked iran. air defenses had been fired and explosions were heard. the impact of the attack is not yet clear, but it appears mo have been limited and iran has no plans for immediate retaliation. the foreign secretary david cameron is at the g7 summit in italy where we expect to hear more from the u.s. later this morning. here in the u.k., the government is calling for deescalation. >> we do think the deescalation is absolutely key now. and our message to all in the region is that deescalation is really important. >> we'll have more reaction from labor in the next few minutes. good morning from jerusalem.
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we are waking up to the news israel has attacked iran. early indications says a strike on a carefully selected target. it is a significant moment. alex rossi and alex crawford are here for us. air defenses were fired in central iran around 4:00 a.m. local time in iran. they said the drones were intercepted and there were no explosions on the ground. we haven't been able to verify the claims but iran says they have no plans for immediate retaliation. this video is from the iranian revolutionary guard telegram channel. it reportedly shows the explosions in the sky. there is no damage to iran's nuclear sites. iran has several nuclear facilities across the country. the main ones are the atomic
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research center in the north. the nuclear reactor. the enrichment plant. this is iran's largest nuclear research center. state media is down playing the whole thing. iranian officials have said in the last hour we have no plans to do anything about this. and we have been hearing officials say it is time to deescalate. >> what do we know about the attack? there were reports of reports of explosions in syria and iraq and elsewhere in iran. none of that has been substantiated and we have not seen any evidence of further
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attacks elsewhere. so we will see if anything comes out to explain that. so at the moment looks like this single attack at an air base with connection to iran's aviation production industry. and i would expect there is a link between that and the drones flown toward israel. so israel is saying we know where some of the drones were manufactured. and we are here to announce that base. the proximity is also significant. in israel saying we can reach it if we want to reach it. the fact that israel has managed to successfully get these missiles into his iranian
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air space and hit the target, again, iran pretty much failed to do that on saturday night when it fired 300 projectiles at israel. >> i will read you the tweet in one word. he wrote feeble. now, the reason we should put this into context is the pressure within. that benjamin netanyahu has been feeling. >> netanyahu has been receiving all sorts of advice. some of it i'm sure helpful, others not. his tweet speaks to the more extreme end of things. >> we are looking at pictures from the g7 meeting. we saw the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken. we understand in the next couple of hours, secretary of
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state antony blinken is going to be holding a briefing. we understand to respond to the events of the last couple of hours and israel launching that attack on iran in response to what happened here. let's have a little listen in to see if we can hear anything. >> good morning everybody. we need to change the agenda this morning.
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>> okay, we are just hearing the it italian foreign minister speaking and we will be hearing from the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken who is there. we saw lord cameron as well. lord cameron was here early in the week. really advising, counseling israel. calling for restraint. rishi sunak was also on message with that. and joe biden who said take this as a win. see it as a success. we both of us have been looking at israelis saying this is the first time the americans, the brits, the french fought alongside the israelis to protect israel. >> it was extraordinary. that is what is trying to be
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impressed upon israel. israel had planned with the u.k., israel, and france how it responded to the attack. the british forward positions, more fighter jets. the head of the u.s. was here. there was support from the arab countries like jordan. support for the gulf states, saudi arabia, too. the message from israel's western allies is there is something here you can build upon. don't take any action against iran that is going to jeopardize, you know, this new fledgling relationship. this new military relationship. we are not talking about something like a middle ian version of nato. but israel does want to try and create a missile defense system
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which would be cooperation between them, gulf allies against iran. and we saw that play out. and so i think that again would have fed into netanyahu's thinking. bengevere would have said hit iran hard. and others on the other end would say chill. i think netanyahu found middle ground that the americans and brits will be satisfied with. most of the middle east will live with it. if the prospect of war goes away, they will be happy. and you know what? netanyahu will be thinking. >> we will be watching all of the developments and if there is some kind of official response. thank you, for now, as we have been reporting, what happened overnight is really framed by two recent events. let's talk those through with you.
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april 1st, israel struck the iranian consulate in syria. seven of its military advise visiers were killed. and then, of course, what we saw last saturday night. iran fired 170 drones over 30 cruise missiles and 120 ballistic missiles at israel. prime minister benjamin netanyahu responded. what happened was framed by what happened april 1st but frankly, you could take the all the way back six months to october 7th and then, of course, the war in gaza. and iran's proxies in the region. >> the strongest of iran's
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proxies by far is hezbollah. it is an extremely potent military force. it has around about 150 to 150,000 fighters. maybe more. it spent nearly a decade building up its weapon rei and it certainly feels extremely confident that it could take on or deflect any large scale attempt to attack them. but there have been daily skirmishes. daily cross firing between israel and lebanon on that southern border of lebanon. and that has increased. it has increased in intensity and depth into the region. into lebanon. it is also as we saw a few days ago, the four israeli soldiers actually made their way into lebanon and were blown up by an exploded device with a number
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of them injured. that was the first admission by both sides that the israeli military were inside lebanon. so there has been a gradual escalation. and since saturday, the activity on the southern border has increased to quite an extent. with almost twice daily funerals indicating the number of casualties among the hezbollah fighters. and, the cross firing has just increased and increased. now the indications tonight overnight are that hezbollah appears to be if they are a reflection of what the iranian administrations approach is. they appear to be drawing a line under this with the first statement from hezbollah this morning saying, denouncing it and dismissing it almost. using it as almost with disdain. the israelis they say are afraid. they do not have a clear plan.
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but they go on toward if they make a mistake in their calculations, if they go further and hit harder, the price will be great. that's from the deputy secretary general. if we take that as an indication. talking to a number of hezbollah analysts and politicians. all the replays, all the messages from them seem to be that maybe just this time the red line has not been crossed. underestimate the potential for another massive flare-out. we were in yemen a couple of weeks ago when the houthis were denouncing what was going on saying they were going to hit harder and faster and they wanted to see not just a cease fire, but a palestinian state. that is being reechoed here in lebanon. in iraq a few weeks ago. we heard the iraqi president
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say there need to be a cease fire to stop the ongoing escalation. so even if there is an avoidance of a massive flare- out, an all-out war right now. the foundations of that sparking up, very quickly still exists with hezbollah presenting one of the strongest advocates of iran. and the most potent military force. they believe that they are the third at the moment slightly forgotten front. and underlying all of this as a determination to defend not just palestine but also always loyalty first to iran. >> okay alex. thank you. let's bring in my colleague alex rossi. sky's international correspondent who joins us live from northern israel. the last few hours, iranian
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officials have told the reuters news agency they have no plans to immediately respond to this attack. but as alex crawford was saying in beirut, that doesn't change the dynamics, the tensions that already exist. the low level war with hezbollah. israel is dealing with a number of fronts here. >> that's right. there are crises on multiple fronts. the fact iran says they won't retaliate, the direct confrontation, the maybe a chance to deescalate. remember, the attack on saturday by the iranians was the first time that iran has fired directly at israel. but all the other pieces around the region remain. and that means that things remain extraordinarily tense. i was speaking to a former idf commander yesterday who was saying that you know, he could
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not remember a situation in the middle east like this. for decades, you have to go back four decades to the yom kippur war of 1973 to find a similarly dangerous position now what the israelis have done. military power has its own language. and in this point, the strike in central iran is basically symbolic. sending a message the israelis can penetrate iranian air defenses. they can get through. they can do so at their choosing. they chose it seems not to go for all out destruction. but it sends a very clear signal. this is referred to as a shadow war. it has fought without admitting that you were behind it. whether it is an israeli assassination of a nuclear scientist or whether it was the
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attack on the consulate. it happened on april 1st, but, what the iranians were doing. we are redrawing the red lines. and the problem is that those red lines aren't really set out at the moment. october the 7th changed the dynamic of many of the red lines whether it is proxies, whether it is the direct confrontation between iran and israel. and as they are being redrawn, the possibility of miscalculation or accident becomes that much bigger. and the problem is that could lead to a broader regional war. that is why the time we are in at the moment is so very dangerous. >> alex, thank you. as always, and, for now, we will be going back to you a little later in the program. as we have been saying we are expecting the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken to hold a briefing at the g7 foreign minister's meeting so we will be following that closely as
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well. for now, back to you in london. >> thank you very much indeed. well, staying with israel's attack on iran, the secretary told this program this morning that both sides need to step away from any further attacks. >> we do think the deescalation is absolutely key now. and our message to all in the region including israel is the deescalation of israeli important. the foreign secretary is in italy. speaking with his g7 counterparts. >> we will get reaction from labor in just a moment. the government there very keen to push for deescalation this morning. >> yeah, deescalation is the word you will hear. deescalation is really important. but also, trying to tow this line by still showing broad
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support for israel not urging them one way or another too stridently. david cameron, foreign secretary, he is at the g7. also secretary of state antony blinken. we are expecting to hear from shortly. the prime minister is giving a speech at 9:30 in the morning. that will be on welfare. we had an announcement from the government about a set of welfare reforms they are planning but he might be asked on this issue of wheys going on in iran and israel. so we can expect to hear more from him. but the language is all about deescalation. israel has come under pressure from the u.k. and the u.s. and other european countries to show restraint. but david cameron was in israel speaking to netanyahu on
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wednesday. after that meeting netanyahu said that israel will take its own decisions by itself. so, questions about kind of how much influence britain really has. >> thank you very much indeed for that analysis. so, let's get labors view then on this morning's developments. as you can see, now joined by the housing minister. good to see you. thank you very much indeed for coming in. what is your reaction to the news of this apparent israeli strike on iran overnight? >> i think it is a really securing moment for peace and security in the middle east. this is a breaking story. my understanding is the precise details have not been confirmed by the u.s., iran, or israel. but labor would urge all sides to show restraint and to deescalate the situation because the real risk of a full scale war is there.
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>> following on from iran's attack from israel, does labor support israel ice right to take retaliatory action in iran? >> we are asking israel to show restraint in doing so, the repelling of the drone and missile strike was successful. we want them to show restraint to deescalate the situation. the risk of a full scale is very real and the consequences would be dire. >> is there a limit to labor support for israel? >> i don't think there is a limit to their right to respond. but what we are early morning along with all of our international partners is restraint on israel's part. we don't want to see further escalation. and the risk of a full scale regional war which the consequences of which would be absolutely devastating to the region. >> how concerned are you about escalation?
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do you expect iran to retaliate? >> we can't speculate. what the precise nature of the strikes is unconfirmed. but it is very worrying the escalation is very real. that is why it is important to say israel and iran pull back and deescalate. >> this a story we will be covering all morning here on sky news but while i have you here, i want to talk a couple of domestic issues as well. the prime minister is vowing to clamp down on what he calls britain's sick note culture. he is warning against overmedicallizing. does we have a point? >> i think this announcement screams to me a government after 14 years are out of ideas and time. this proposal is a consultation
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on tweet to the fitno season. in the years since, we have seen the number of people transition onto long term sick. a great cost to themselves to businesses, to the economy, and to the taxpayer in terms of this benefit bill. skyrocket. so, we are still the only g7 country that hasn't returned to economic activity rates prepandemic. this is costing the country. something has to be done. i don't think tinkering with a call for evidence is anywhere near the scale of the challenge labor. they have a solution to tackle the fundamental causes of this crisis. which are staggering long. a social security system making work pay, supporting people into long term jobs. >> and do you bring the
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sickness benefits bill down. you say, just saying, it sounds pretty vague. some would say you need a more targeted approach. >> i think waiting, this is only one part of our plan to tackle economic activity. we have to do more, we have to do more on mental health support. maybe job centers work. this is a long term problem. this is entirely the tour he is making. it needs a plan as we have. that tackles the fundamental causes that doesn't just tweak with elements like the fit note system which can provide people with more support. if i was the government i would say how could the fit note system support people back into work. where is the investment in the work and health professions. >> the number of fit notes is doubled in less than a decade. 11million a year. it is a huge rise. why is that happening? >> because there has been a long term rise for many many years under this government and people on long term sick.
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either because they can't get the treatment they need through the nhs which is on its knees or they are not getting the proper support to get back into work. >> do they sign people off too quickly? >> these simplistic sweeping statements are not helpful. we need to look at the root causes of the problem and why we have such staggeringly high activity rates under this government and look to tackle the fundamentals. this is a policy paper to get a cheap headline. it won't tackle the fundamental causes. >> i want to ask you about one other issue. claims he misused party funds. i understand that labor has written to the police. can you tell us what you asked them to do? >> we asked them to investigate these allegations and it is entirely right we have done so. the reports are incredibly
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disturbing and there are a series of questions about whether an offense has been committed in force representation and misconduct. they are quite serious allegations. i think they are also questioning about what the conservative party knew and when. why they sat on this information for months. do they have information that the police could benefit? it is in the public interest we get to the bottom of the allegations and the police investigate. >> as we say, mark denies all the claims against him. matthew, we appreciate the time this morning, thank you very much indeed. and, let's take you back now to jerusalem. >> thank you so much. welcome back to jerusalem where we are covering the developing story. we learn that israel had attacked iran. now, all week, israeli officials have been saying that they would have to respond to iran's attack on israel last
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weekend that hay had no choice but to launch some kind of attack and retaliate in some way. we saw international leaders, the u.s. president rishi sunak, david cameron, all urge restraint. and they spoke to prime minister benjamin netanyahu. they told him to deescalate the situation. to see last weekend, as a win for israel. we have seen israel respond. we heard from iranian officials who told reuters news agency they have no plans to respond. let's bring in our security and defense editor. a lot of developments the last few hours. we are looking at live pictures of lord cameron and the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken at that g7 foreign minister's meeting. there is an attempt to deescalate the situation. they are saying iran attacked
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israel last weekend. israel has now responded. that some kind of line now needs to be drawn to bring an end to this. not sure if that will happen but for now, there is an attempt to bring down the tempo. >> and you really have that sense. the public comments that people have been saying about the need for being strong and tough. but also smart. with israel's response. everybody really appreciated that israel wouldn't be able to do nothing in response to iran's unprecedented attack on israel over the weekend. especially the use of ballistic missiles in that direct strike against israel. though most of those munitions were shot out of the sky by a coalition of not the usual
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allies like the u.s., the u.k., and france helping but also arab nations as well in this coalition that israel will be wanting to keep together as it tackles their increasing threat from iran. it has been a war that has been taking place in the shadows for so many years. with iran's proxies and denial attacks. israel as well launching denial attacks. those lines have been crossed in the last week. with iran choosing to directly attack israel. and now, israel doing the same back. though like you are saying, clearly the focus is on containment on trying to keep the heat out of this and the hope the limited scale waiting for few details of what has taken place the last few hours. but if it is as limited as it seems, the hope will be that
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iran won't feel the need as it said through that reuters report. to retaliate immediately. but maybe even it could be something that could be slowed down completely. but in this region as you well know, nothing could be taken for granted. and it is still a very high stakes situation. >> yeah, you described it as high stakes poker. no doubt, debra, that even though this particular situation, there is an attempt to deescalate. this rivalry between iran and israel will go back to the shadows. it will inevitably go back to where it was before the events of last weekend. >> absolutely that is correct. but i do think as well, now you have this new precedent set. israel started it with that attack that it carried out. it has not admitted it
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publicly. again the iranian consulate in damascus at the beginning of the month which killed the senior generals and other iranian officials. and that was something that iran vowed to retaliate for. so the region was put on notice at that point. and then you had iran crossing that red line, too. of directly and overtly attacking israel. and now, it seems israel has chosen to over, we are yet to hear the details. strike back. the fact you have had the lines crossed, you can't rewind the clock now. so while the shadow war will continue. the potential for escalation into direct confrontation is much greater following the events of the last few weeks. >> yeah. as you say, debra, it is a significant and still a
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dangerous moment. thanks so much. now let's remind you of what has happened. air defense fired around 4:00 a.m. local time. a single strike on a carefully selected target. iranian media is reporting they intercepted three drones and they have no plans for immediate retaliation. well, foreign ministers including the u.k.'s david cameron are meeting at the g7 summit in capri. they are urging iran and israel to deescalate.
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we expect secretary of state antony blinken to give a briefing. there was concern on how much this would escalate. we haven't yet heard from the israeli side. unlikely that we will. >> they described israel's attack as feeble. the interior minister would be listened to so i think we can take that as confirmation it was israel behind the strikes. but yes, the israelis tend to have a policy of no comment when it comes to speaking about
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any strikes that carried out. it might be they keep up that denial. the messaging coming out of iran at the moment, and mid- morning, the mission coming out so far is to be rather dismissive of this attack. that it did no real damage or posed no real threat. and what that is all leading to at the moment is an indication that iran is not inclined to respond. you have to remember a lot is state controlled in iran. and so, these messages don't get delivered willy nilly. they do tend to conform to a line. we haven't heard from the supreme leader yet. the iranian foreign minister,
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let's see what they say. the language so far has led us to think this is probably not going to escalate. >> that is a message israel wanted to make. we can do it if we want. and we are not going to escalate this. but we can do damage if we want to. >> iran fired 300 plus drones as israel. that's a barrage. 99% of them were shot down. the ones that did get through caused pretty minimal damage. and now, israel has fired back. all indications are that what they did fire hit its targets. and we don't yet know the extent of the damage. so that is very much it for the israelis. you try to hit us and it is pretty much a failure. we try to hit you and it is an
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unqualified success. so yeah. that is a message. where they hit is a message. deep inside iran. close to a nuclear facility. and we can do this. if we need to. if we need to attack facilities and central teheran, we have the capability of doing it. and not just we have the capabilities. you don't have the capability of stopping it. >> indeed. thank you as always. well, let's bring in our next guest from the center for security policies senior editor for middle eastern affairs. caroline joins me now. thanks for joining me on the program. discussing the messaging sent from both sides. frankly, we have been hearing that red lines have been crossed but israel sent a significant message to iran. and, in many ways iran has now tried to deescalate the situation. >> i think that what you are seeing was a very conflicting
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statement coming out of iran. the iranians are very scared. and i think that is a good thing. on the one hand, they say nothing. then they say they don't know who did it. we will just have to wait and see the reports to understand what the targets are. and, how badly they were damaged. but, israel side a number of messages to a number of addresses last night in the early morning hours. by conducting this operation in iran. it sent the message to the israeli people that are jittery. we are facing a major battle both in lebanon and in gaza. and the days and weeks and months ahead. we are if in the largest war of independence, 1948, 1949.
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the longest war israel has fault. and we don't know when it will be over. in terms of steeling the people, it is important for our air force and our ground forces. to understand we are capable of operating in iran. and iraq. where targets were also hit. at the same time. so, that was important. it was important to show the united states that we are capable of carrying out operation ins iran without causing a massive. that was very important. it was important to show the iranian people that the regime they hate so much isn't immune from attack from outside forces. >> the point is, though, as well, caroline, the iranians are pragmatists. they are not suicidal. they know if they go into a war with israel, it will drag in
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potentially western powers. namely the united states which is the u.s. trying to avoid here as well. and they don't have the capacity to take that on. >> well you know, they always sigh the iranians will fight to the last palestinian to the last lebanese, to the last syrian. what is most important to them is to make other people fight their wars for them. so the iranian people are suffering. you have 90% of them. all of these things are destabilizing. this chaos initiated regime that is behind just about all of the wars with e have seen in the middle east over the past 45 years. so i think that was a very important thing that happened last night. regardless of what was attacked.
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we don't really know exactly. >> though things, we don't know. we are still waiting to get that information. and we talked about the kind of message israel is trying to send to iran. and there is now an attempt to deescalate. but it will go back to even though this has now entered a different sort of phase. red lines have crossed. the shadow wars will also continue between the two. >> yes, this is a multidimensional war and the change was the puppet master came for the first time out from behind the curtain and attacked israel directly. that was unsuccessful but on the other hand, it was carried out and that is a very new thing. and iran is now operating openly with hamas. with hezbollah. with the houthis in this war it initiated against israel on october 7th. >> and caroline, the iranians are indicating that this is in
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response to what happened on april the first. where they say a diplomatic compound was hit. and that one of their senior military commanders was killed as a result. and therefore, we saw that reaction at the weekend. do you think the israelis anticipated that kind of reaction where we saw 300 drones and missiles coming in israel's direction? >> i think the scale of the israel response indicates it wasn't a reaction to anything. israel engaged in a war against iran. iran has been directing everything. and the iranian terror chief who was killed in damascus and not in a diplomatic, but in a building that was a military target connected to the revolutionary guard core. he was not only is he seen as the architect of the october 7th invasion of israel and the
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atrocities hamas carried out, he is in charge of the terror operations. he was a military target. not only substantiatively because of his role in october 7th. but also, because he was actively engaging in war with israel. so i think that the idea that this was a for tat ignores the fact we are in a major war already. you are constantly being attacked and attacking across a number of battlefields controlled by iran through its proxies and now also directly. what we are looking at, to say it was a it for tat ignore we are already in a war. >> caroline glick from the center for security policies and senior editor for middle eastern affairs. thanks for joining us. let's speak now to my
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colleague trevor phillips. we can see the kind of diplomacy taking place behind the scenes. we know lord cameron is at the g7's meeting. we are know that rishi sunak has a scheduled speech so he will no doubt address what has happened in the early hours as well. there is a real attempt now to deescalate the situation. to ensure that it doesn't spill over and turn out. turn into all out confrontation and a war. >> good morning. yeah. you are standing right in the middle of possibly the biggest and the most dangerous chess game in the world right now. we are going to hear from cameron. and rishi sunak and from the american secretary of state antony blinken. and i think what they are all trying to do is create an environment in which it is possible for everybody to save face. but, to turn down the
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temperature. the word as you have been saying is deescalation. but, we know that there is a conversation going on here. the iranians this morning are down playing the impact of the israeli strike saying yeah right. didn't really hit us at all. that is presumably the sound of a country trying not to retaliate. we know that the americans knew there was going to be a strike. we also know that they knew about the iranian retaliation. so, actually, what is going on here is a lot of noise publicly. but there are clearly a lot of back channels being used to make sure nobody overreacts. we can look back on the israeli
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action last weekend. and see it was very carefully calibrated to make sure they wouldn't have a reason to i won't say go ballistic because that wabbits lest, but overreact. what we are seeing here is geo politics. something we sometimes forget is there's domestic politics. in israel, it has been talked about. mr. netanyahu is doing what he is doing because of the weakness of his political weakness. it is also worth saying that iran, it is an authoritarian regime. but it is an authoritarian regime with a very young population which increasingly is restless. restless about the overwhelming
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significance of the rule. restless about its isolation from the world. restless about the constant danger of conscription if you are a young iranian man. so the iranian regime has to deal not just with its strategy of creating chaos in the region, but keeping its own people . and of course for us, we have ukraine already. we have our own domestic problems as do the americans and everybody wants this to wind down. >> undeed. trevor, the israeli hard right minister said what we are seeing was feeble so it gives you a sense of how split and divided israel is on the reaction and what to do. but in the last few minutes in fact, we heard from the
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president of the european commission who is reiterating what we have heard from global leaders. she says it is absolutely, an absolute necessity that the reon stays stable and all sides refrain from further action. there is so much diplomacy trying to bring down the tempo. we expect to hear from the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken who is at that summit in italy where we are expecting a briefing. we will hear from them as well. france has responded saying there is a need to deescalate. so we are watching all of these developments as the global community tries to urge both sides to refrain from any further action. as we have been reporting. iranian officials have said to the reuters news agency they
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have no plans to respond at this point. and they say they don't have confirmation of who this is. the israelis up until now have not commented and are probably unlikely to comment. but they have said we will respond in some way. we have no choice but to respond. and they have done that at about 4:00 a.m. iran time. let's bring in our business presenter ian king who can give us a sense of how the markets are responding. >> yes. most of the action as you would expect has been in crude. we have low out u.s. retail sales figures early in the week. and that has put the markers on the notion the federal reserve. widespread concerns about inflation have been bearing on the brent price. it is trending at just about
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$88 a barrel. up 1% or so. it did pop above 90-dollars, 7 cents 5 cents a barrel the crude price has been drifting lower. that takes you back to where it was on tuesday of this week. natural gas currently up around half of 1%. the equity markets have not responded real to this. after news broke, the ocean pacific market. the main mark in sydney fell by 1%. shanghai was up by third of 1%. hong kong. tokyo, 2-and-a-half percent. you have an up tick in the japanese yen. those are the pictures you can see on the screen now, those are the asia pacific markets. moving. just describing. here in europe, markets have
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traded to the downside. you have seen a bit of movement. in gold. you always get a bit of safe haven. and it attracted a bit of money, the swiss franc. that is trading higher as well. >> ian, thank you so much for giving us a sense of how the markets are reacting this morning. well, let's bring in my next guest. dr. javandafr. thank you, sir, for joining us on the program. i want to get your reaction to the events of the last few hours. we understand that israel has attacked iran at 4:00 a.m. iran time. state media in iran has down played it and the americans say it was limited but just your
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reaction to it. >> well, this is a combination of recent reactions by both iran and israel. the difficulties they are facing and the challenges. on the one hand, the republic of iran since 1991 has been investing billions of dollars in proxies across the region. in groups for various reasons. one of the major goals was to use these groups as proxies to attack israel so israel attacks them, not iran. so these groups absorb israeli reaction. not iran. israel has been attacking iranian officials inside and outside of iran. so they felt their proxy model
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was no longer serving one of the main goals. the war against israel was reaching iranian territory. which is why the islamic republic. one of the reasons it attacked israel to draw a big red line around the military officials and bases. if israel were to attack against any of these, iran would respond directly. the proxy model is no longer valid. we are also going to get involved directly. that in itself put israel in a bind. the state of israel has been confronting the iranian regime. it is against israel's
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existence. paying various groups. no israeli government would allow such a red line. if reports today are true, israel after five days cross the red line. >> yeah, doctor, do you think, though, that even though you are saying this is a combination and you know, that iran could no longer rely on proxies. that it felt the attacks were coming too far to iranian soil. do you think israel miscalculated or it was a strategic blunder when they targeted that diplomatic compound april 1st? according to iranian figures, since october 7th, hamas attack, officials have been
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killed in syria. was a combination. this was the straw that broke the camel's back. there are two schools of thought. that israel should not have attackerred because this would have been the reaction. another school of thought in israel says israel should have attacked despite this reaction. despite a possible reaction. because israel cannot meet in a secure building in damascus. and to plan and carry out operations that help israel's enemies. october 7 has been a hammer blow to israel's sense of security and it has been extremely traumatic for israelis. what i would have said is if we had known this was is iranian reaction, perhaps we should have been more careful.
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but certainly not to stop attacks against iranian regime officials. yeah, i'm from iran. and i have to tell you. this war that the iranian regime is waging geniuses real is against the interest of iranians. it is based on ideology more than logic and this is what make this confrontation dangerous. this is why it would have unintended consequences especially for iran. >> do you think though something has shifted within the regime in iran? you say it is not based on logic. has something shifted there when it comes to the decision making?
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>> suffering from superiority and inferiority complex. for the first time in the post revolution history, his country finds itself in an alliance with superpowers. this has had a major, major boost. a sense of self-confidence. at the same time, simultaneously, the islamic republic is feeling an inferiority complex. because the october 7th attack by hamas was supposed to be a blow against the state of israel. was supposed to undermine israel. but somehow it has turned into a saga that has ended up hurting and killing iranian regime officials in syria. and elsewhere. he is feeling his deterrence is
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undermined. at home and abroad. they are so worried about their attack against israel. >> we have actually run out of time. but, we are grateful for all of your analysis there. that was the iranian israeli lecturer. as we have been reporting in the early hours of this morning. israel attacked iran. since then, iranian officials have said they have no plans to respond in any way. they say they are not sure exactly. we are seeing a situation where there is deescalation. we are following all the developments here from jerusalem. pments here from jerusalem.
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