keepers and militia were in the crowd at that time attacked the capitol and tried to kill members of congress. last year donald trump held a rally in waco and vowed to be retribution. the hard truth is the united states has always been replete with racial terrorism from days of lynchings to krup policing even today. the waco oklahoma city we are now in a state where domestic terrorism isn't shocking the way it was 29 years ago. we've become the country where we used to criticize other countries for being living with consistent politically derived terrorism and that is not the sign of a healthy democracy and that is something we should think about this fall. that is it tonight's reid out. joy returns tomorrow night all in with chris hayes starts right now. . tonight on all in, this

nurse scares me if i'm trump. no one is above the law. >> i'm not so sure about juror number two. >> "fox news" and the criminal defendant go after the jury. >> juror number two, a female nurse was worried she cannot stay fair. >> tonight how the court is deal ing with trump's juror intimidation and the people versus donald trump. >> i've been sitting here for days from morning to night in the freezing room. frooz. freezing. a major republican beef spills on to the floor. >> how the maga mess keeps getting messier. >> i don't care if the speaker's office becomes a revolving door. as the biden campaign gets a kennedy family endorsement, energy secretary jennifer granholm on the high takes of

this presidential election when all in starts right now. . good evening from new york i'm chris hayes. the jury has been chosen in donald trump's new york election interference case. 12 jurors one alternate are seated and ready to decide if donald trump is guilty. tomorrow, judge merchan expects to finish selecting alternates. ahead of opening statements which could come monday. none of this looks certain this morning when the third day of jury selection began that something of a setback. as of tuesday evening when the trial left off, seven jurors had been sworn in. by lunchtime today two of those seven were dismissed. one of the dismissed jurors seated as juror number four was not truthful in his answers on the jury questionnaire. specifically about whether he has ever been accused or convicted of committing a crime. the d.a.'s office discovered

that someone with the same name as that juror was arrested in the 1990s for tearing down political advertisements. his wife was involved in a corruption inquiry and entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the manhattan d.a.'s office. after further questioning the juror was dismissed from the case. that seems from where we sit like a sensible decision. the second dismissal was really troubling. and despite a barrage of media coverage, actually think the facts have not sunk in. what actually happened is that this juror became the target of the trump image dpan fox intimidation machine because they expected she would not vote to acquit the former president. and they are targeting appears to be successfully led to her departure from the jury. i will not repeat much of this juror's information we refer to her by her profession she is a nurse. because of the questioning of the potential jurors the public

nature of the court proceedings and the wealth of personal information available on the internet it has not been hard to identify these people. this issue was brought up in court today. judge merchan directed the press to avoid physical descriptions of jurors and ruled information about their employers will be redacted from transcripts. one person took it to a new level. both tuesday and wednesday nights, devoting entire segments to airing all the available information about the jurors and his opinion on whether they are suspect. >> so the seven jurors chosen can we trust them? juror number two. a nurse from the upper eastside with a masters degree. she said two things that stuck out. one, quote, i don't really have an opinion of trump. end r and quote no one is above the law. i'm not so sure about juror number two. number two is the nurse. this nurse scares me if i'm trump she is from the upper

eastside, masters degree, not married no kids. gets her news from the new york sometimes and cnn. . >> yeah. >> good-bye. >> you see what is going on there. do you understand that? like that's not that hard to find this woman and, everybody, the only acceptable jurors are ones sympathetic to donald trump that don't believe no one is above the law. then the defendant, himself, went on to amplify fox's coverage posting a quote about undercover liberal activists lying to the judge to get on the jury. there is no evidence that's true. the post appears to be a flagrant violation of trump's gag order which prohibits him from commenting on jurors. so this morning judge merchan told the court the juror number two that scares mr. waters, called and conveyed she had concerns about her identity becoming public and friends and family have inquired about

whether she is a juror. the juror added that given these outside influences she was concerned with her ability to be fair and i am partial. understandably after all that information and opinions got out to the world she found herself feeling scared, targeted and exposed. judge merchan agreed to excuse her from duty. there is no doubt about what happened. this is part of a long, consistent and persistent pattern which donald trump encourages and the maga world pursues the intimidation of people who cross the former president. it's happened a ton to several key figures in his legal cases. alvin bragg has received death threats as fani willis. remember the bomb threat who oversaw the civil fraud case in new york? the same thing we saw happen to georgia election workers, they were dragged through the mud and

harassed to the point freeman had to flee her home because of false claims they were involved in election fraud. and happened to russdy bowers, who was terrorized in his neighborhood after refusing to help trump overturn the 2020 election results. now that is exactly what is happening amid an attempt to administer orderly justice in a new york courtroom. it is pure thug erie plain and simple. it is a violation of the gag order and a scandal. i don't think it was quite treated as such today in the way it should be. this trial is going to be a test of whether the system can stand up to the constant bullying and intimidation the stock and trade of the maga movement. now, fox won't fay repercussions for this bullying and they shouldn't. it is a free country. covered by the first amendment. but inside that courtroom, there have to be repercussions.

lisa ruben has been our eyes and ears to the trial and watches from inside the courthouse. michelle goldberg is an columnist with the times. let's start with how this unfolded in terms of juror number two. >> juror two had contacted the court and said she had had time to think about it. obviously time has elapsed between tuesday night and this morning. the fact that the court takes a break every wednesday, gives time for things like this to transpire. one of the dangers of merchan taking that break. merchan announced she contacted the court and had hesitation about serving on the jury for the reasons you said. when she came in she expressed as much. i got pushed from my friends and family saying is this you? because it was enough information about her. chris, i want to say that i find the posts that we're talking about totally unacceptable and yet, i put some of the blame on

the judge because he set up a procedure that allowed these folks to say all that information on the record it could have been written and sealed. it could have been set in a sealed proceedings. there were ways that information could have been available to the parties and not the press. there was no instruction to the press this was sealed or not for public consumption. he thought he was doing enough by making them anonymous. but manhattan is a small island. and anybody who was in that courtroom felt an association at one point or another to some employer or some place that somebody had worked. it was inevitable. >> totally. and i want to be clear on that. and a lot of reporters are wrestling with this live tweeting it and it's public proceedings. but what we're talking about here, is like fox ran a segment where they are like going through and straight up targeting like this person is suspect, this is a crypto liberal. >> like donald trump is out of

objections to jurors so "fox news" is coming in with extra ones by driving out the ones that donald trump's lawyers cannot get off the jury. and it's going to continue obviously. i mean it is amazing that we are this is like three days into the trial. and you already have this level of -- this level of targeting both from the right-wing media and from donald trump himself retweeting this stuff and now it's inevitable that the donald trump era is going to take us to a place we will have a legal opinion about whether retweets are endorsements. but so donald trump he cannot control himself for three days. this is going to go on for weeks and weeks and weeks. this juror is right to worry about her life being turned upside-down. >> she is. and at the same time i want to point out that while i disagree with the characterization that these people are like liberal activists, the guy is trying to get themselves on the jury it is

true that through their research the defense found a number of people swore they could be fair and impartial said a lot of things on social media that really raised some serious doubts about that. and i am sympathetic to those concerns. that having been said because they exercised their challenges too early they ended up with people on the jury not their ideal. one of the jurors is a person who said this today when pressed for whether they had an opinion of trump. i don't have strong opinions of him but i don't like his persona. and when pressed she said when he presents himself in public he seems selfish and self-serving and i don't appreciate that in a public servant. on some level, pressing the trigger finger too early resulted in their getting stuck with injury remembers not withstanding the social media posts, nonetheless expressed strong opinions against trump the man. >> totally. look, and judge merchan

dismissed one from cause who said they could be parish and social media stuff was inflammatory and i thought that was the correct call. but we now got this hearing. again it can't just be the case that your buddy's over in the news media are like because again it's going to keep going. you know, like they are going to go to a certain point. you've got -- >> i was incredulous the hearing has to wait until tuesday. >> so tuesday we've got filings about complaints from the d.a. saying they violated the gag order. >> 10 different times. >> 10 times. here are examples. a serial perjurer trieded to prove an old misdemeanor against trump that links to a new york post article, michael cohen who is a witness. they are catching undercover liberal activists to get on the trump jury. jesse waters. what happened on tuesday?

>> there are two orders to show cause is essentially like saying to your child prove to me why you shouldn't be grounded. on tuesday, trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to argue why their client shouldn't be held in criminal contempt and sanctioned with a thousand per fine or something worse because the d.a.'s office said we are contemplating what the sanction is. you better believe that they are watching what he is going to do over the ensuing few days. >> they have a brief due tomorrow by 5:00 p.m. the gag order prohibits making or directing others to make statement it is doesn't prohibit republication. which is what he did with the serial perjurer post that you mentioned. he reposted that article not once, not twice, five different times in different places as well. but their other argument is that the gag order is ambiguous somehow and i'm not sure how that works. >> we saw today for the first

time actual accountability on this, which is on the way out. there is a request a sort of common courtesy who are your witnesses going to be and they said he asked and josh stein ghoul glass refused on the basis that trump has been tweeting about them. he says he will not tweet about the witnesses and told him to treat the information as attorney's eyes only. merchan declined the d.a.'s order to name the first witnesses and steinglass did not agree to do so. i was upset with the chronicles of the mafia and the means by which the italian state from a system destroyed by the mafia, we are not car bombs. but this idea that like you were fighting this battle to preserve the integrity against people trying essentially means outside

the courtroom to destroy it. it's wild to be in that terrain. >> this is not car bombs but the mafia didn't have million crowd sourced army of millions of people out to docs people. >> it puts relief how common this is a theme of the trump era at every turn. we saw the full culmination on january 6. >> and e. jean carroll who he gets this judgment against him he is out there libelling her again basically the next day and it's only when he has this really significant fine that he in a second judgment that he finally, it takes real pain. otherwise we've seen again he will keep pushing and pushing and which limits he can push past. >> the dangers, chris, to people are real and underscore today a gentleman in erie county pled

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york criminal elections interference trial have been seated. the judge kept everything moving quickly. the jury selection could finish as early as tomorrow with five alternates remaining to be selected. the judge plans to old a sandoval hearing where the district attorney's presents all the misconduct they did not charge trump with that they would use to impeach the credibility of the witness if he were to take the stand. if everything stays on schedule opening statements begin as soon as monday. on tuesday morning, as lisa was saying the judge scheduled the hearing to determine if trump should be sanctioned for the flagrant violations of the gag order and after that the trial would continue in the afternoon and thursday and friday. every week moving forward with wednesday's off. and lisa ruben has been in the courtroom and back with us joining us charles coleman a

former prosecutor in new york now a criminal defense and civil rights attorney. i want to step back to the process of the jury selection which i found extremely tass naturing and human and relatable. and one of the things that happened here and we've talked about this both of you, normally you can't be i don't want to do this because they need jurors in this case you can. all the people i can't do this for whatever reason. so now you are still there. people saying i can be fair. and then like we found this in 2016 where you called trump the anti-christ. and then they are talking about it. what is the standard here? how should we think about -- what does it mean to say i can be fair? >> as a former prosecutor you are arguing as much as you can for the standard fair and impartial. you know that the defendants will say this person should be struck for cause, you're going to say look during the side bar your honor, ask them if they can

be fair and impartial they are not allowed not to have opinions or positions or biases. these are things anyone will tell you they are human beings. >> the most polarizing figure in the century. >> the standard in this case can you be fair and impartial and can you convict or if the state doesn't meet its burden can you acquit? and that is what they will be held to and why in most cases a judge is not going to throw someone off for cause in that circumstance. >> there was someone dismissed for cause today by the judge. and she had old posts that i was reading through your reporting in our internal channels i was thinking she should be dismissed for cause. >> and she was really embarrassed by reading her former posts. not all of us tweet or post as prolificly as donald trump. then again most of us don't remember things we posted eight, nine years ago. and this woman was embarrassed

to be confronted with old posts including one in which she said that everything about trump was fundamentally as unchristian as it could be. he was not in the christian spirit. she was struck at the same time she said politics is spicey. mr. trump is spicey. and i on occasion use language that is spicier than i am pleased to see right now and turned around and said i apologize to you. the defense thought it was insincere and an effort on her part. >> i swear, i love the guy. >> not that it was a close call. >> he ultimately struck her for cause. the two challenges there's cause you are not using a and they used their preemptories and they get new ones. >> they get new ones and they are doing the same process all over again. what you have to understand is it is a trial. so anything can happen. someone can get sick. your kid can get sick for a day

and you literally cannot miss an hour of testimony because if you do, you are now no longer qualified to deliberate on the case. so you need those alternates the same level of scrutiny you have applied, you have to apply with your alternates. i've tried a bunch of cases and a number of them we've had to rely on alternates even in jury deliberations after that started because something happened during that time and you need to call an alternate in. >> mike johnson wishes for an alternate caucus. tell me about the sandoval hearing. >> sandoval hearing is an opportunity for the defendant to understand what the scope of cross-examination is going to be before he can make an informed decision whether or not he is going to testify. the d.a.'s office -- again, he says he wants to so the d.a.'s office served a notice that lays

out 13 categories of misconduct. many are things that couldn't be charged as crimes, including like the trump foundation settle many when they were accused of wrongfully using charitable dollars for political purposes. they also include sanctions awarded against trump when he sued the dnc and hillary clinton in florida. but they are misconduct through which he can be impeached. and merchan is going to call balls and strikes what is within or not acceptable cross. we will see see what the d.a. plans to confront trump with. >> and it is a tool you will use as a defense attorney to prep your client in terms of coming up with a reasonable answer. >> he is not going to go on the stand interest he is not. but part of why you have this hearing is to explain to your client, you can be asked about this, and -- >> for lawyer lawyers that is when he does want to. >> you have no response pour this.

you have no answer we cannot put you on the stand. >> and he has to sit through it. >> >> the sandoval hearing. >> and comport himself while the d.a.'s goes through the 13 categories of his misconduct and allegedly unlawful deeds including the e. jean carroll judgment. >> were i representing the most incorrigible of american life of the last 30 years, i would tell him not to take a stand. >> this is a shocker of a prediction but expect tweets after that sandoval hearing. because the pressure of what it is to sit in this room everyday, in and out for hours could get to anyone for him to have someone critique him in a way that he is not allowed to response. after the sandoval hearing i expect him to violate the gag order in grands fashion. >> the only thing is sitting in a courtroom having to explain

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. so the epic struggle between house republicans and house republicans continue today. political reporting that conservatives in the house freedom caucus were signing up to take shifts to monitor the chamber floor in order to prevent their own party leaders from making moves that could curb their power. you see their fear is that their own house speaker mike johnson might use moves include reaching across the aisle to democrats to change house rules in ways that would make it easier to vote on legislation they oppose and harder for johnson out of the speaker's post. the house freedom caucus formed a floor posse they are calling it floor action response team is part. aims to guard against a request to pass resolutions that were limit their leverage. it is not clear who supplied the

acronym but no one denied it. it was successful in keeping the house floor empty. speaker johnson cleared the air and announced there would be no changes to the house rules for now. a democrat from california and joins me now, eric swalwell. what is going on? it seems, just folks know, there is one vote anyone can call a motion to vacate that is the thing that gaetz got out of mccarthy in the 15 speaker votes it was wielded against mccarthy to get rid of him. and marjorie taylor greene is going to file another one. what does it mean for you as a democrat? >> i stand in the solutions business. we want to get things done and we raised the debt ceiling we provided the majority of votes. we expelled the fraudster santos. and i expect on ukraine we will provide the majority of votes we want to be the responsible gang

there. i will stand with speaker leader jefferies he is the speaker as to what we need to do to get things done. >> what you said is interesting. because you saying he is functionally the speaker. when you note all those things is you've got when you say democrats provide the majority of votes, what has happened is folks like gaetz and the house freedom caucus produced a situation in which the only way the house can function is with democratic votes and they produce a situation where that is the only thing that can happen and use it as a sign of betrayal to go after leadership? >> that is right. it's paid in service to donald trump. and, again, the key for us has to be if we are functionallyk the speaker how do we convince the voters in november that he should formally be the speaker? and you can't give them the keys to the car that drives government any longer. that is going to be the challenge. we have to keep showing community and competence beats

chaos and corruption every single day. >> i guess the other question at some point there is a weird set of choices here. because when we went through this last time the democrats voted to vacate the chair as a group. because that's just the way it works. you guys figure it out. now it seems like there's conversations happening between johnson democrats about maybe raising the threshold. it doesn't seem like they were inventing the notion. would you be open to that? >> totally open to it, helping ha rim keep -- hakeem keep us unified. mccarthy struck so many deals and couldn't hold to the deals when they came to call it in they realized they had all been deceived. and you don't have that with speaker johnson on the democratic side he is not panning the democrats after dealing with us to bail him out. >> this has nothing to do with ideology this is a personality

thing. >> it is a relationship business. >> one of the things i noticed about kevin mccarthy it was amazing how ubiquitous the sense of betrayal was towards him who said you can't trust this guy. he will look you in the face and tell you something and do something else. i have not heard the same about johnson, nothing ideological but just at that level. >> it was always all about kevin and he was very good at finding a path to the top with no ideological core. here we know the core for johnson and you can price that in as you deal with him. we have not seen that feature that mccarthy had, me, me, me, and anything to me to the top at all costs. >> do you see yourself there's four votes now basically are you a yes vote. >> yes. yes. >> do you think the majority of the democratic caucus. >> yes i do. >> and you think these will pass

with large majorities? >> you will see a majority of the votes will come from democrats. you've never seen that in the history of our congress and probably in the history of any parliamentary system across the world that the minority party on anything of consequence would provide the majority of votes. >> today we got word that jake turner a republican in kansas is leaving. he is 36. you joined congress 31. you know what it's like to be a young member of congress. he joins a wave of house republican retirements and makes 20 republicans left or planning to leave congress without plans. that is a lot of retirements and wild to see a 36-year-old retiring. >> and mike gallagher young guy also leaving. and it's not good. >> he's like gone like leaving next week. >> i fear this hurts our ability to recruit young people i've stayed in the aggressive three kids and $75,000 in student loan

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almost two years ago, president joe biden, along with the house and the senate, narrowly controlled by democrats, pulled this off. after bidens signature climate law appeared to be left for dead, row mansion shifted course . this ensured the law's passage despite completely unanimous republican resistance. it has been hailed as transformative by activists and engineers. the inflation reduction act has a big political problem. many people don't know many about it or its impact. look at this polling about the laws affects on the economy. american workers, effects, and climate change. more to help, on the left and blue, it helps, in green. look at the big purple section, a plurality of all of them. that is people saying they just don't know enough about the law to actually respond.

each question is about 1/3 to 1/2 of americans who say, i don't know. they are not sure how the lot impacts each site. the bottom line is really important. that shows the percentage of people who say they do not know enough to know if the law is hurting or helping on the climate change front. that is the biggest one on the chart. those are not due to a lack of awareness or concern but the climate issue should be said. the very same poll found that 70% of americans believe that climate change is happening versus 11% who deny it is happening. 45% have become more concerned about it over the past year with only 10% becoming less concerned. joining us now is the secretary of energy, jennifer granholm, whose department is overseeing a lot of the inflation reduction act. i want to start on that polling for you. how do you understand the gap between the people in your world, who i think rightly see the lot as transformative, and the public who don't know what's going on? >> first of all, the number last year was 70% who hadn't

heard about it. >> that's interesting. >> it moved a little bit. >> let me just say, you say it is transformative. it is a blockbuster. as you have noted it is the biggest investment in climate in the history of the united states, perhaps in the history of the world. it is doing so much across this country. every day there is a new announcement about a factory or a company that decides to build a factory. since the inflation reduction act and the bipartisan infrastructure law were past there have been 600 factories that have said they were coming to america to build or regrowing in america to build the clean energy products of the future. 600 factories. they are not all built yet. they are in communities all across the country, every pocket of the country. they may have had groundbreaking's but they haven't had ribbon cuttings. people haven't been hired. all these seeds are planted. the shoots are starting to come up but the forest is coming,

folks. >> that is an important point to stay on for a second. there is a lot of investment happening in all of these different areas of the carbon free future economy. >> yeah. >> these are very capital intensive. some is on the research side. some is commercialization. some will build factories to make stuff. batteries, for instance. but it takes a while so there is a little bit of a lag between the lightning and the thunder here, in terms of when people hear it. >> that is true. you talk to folks in the building trades. they are just seeing blockbuster gains in employment. i was just in washington state. a little rural area, a city called moses lake. they were agricultural before. they have four battery factories coming, and believe me, that community knows what is going on. that is just like all over. all over the country. these factories are coming up.

there are 400 factories with batteries alone. it is the full supply chain. it is not just the cars and the batteries but the stuff that goes into the batteries. the critical minerals. i mean, it is in industrial strategy we have never done before. >> you are obviously the governor of michigan. one of the things that always struck me when i did any reporting around this in history, it is fascinating. it is exactly this idea that there are the cars but someone has to make the tools for the factories and someone has to service the machines and there is an entire sort of ecosystem that grows up around, people know there is a car factory but it doesn't exist in isolation. >> and you need critical minerals to go into the batteries and extract and process those. up to this point, all of this stuff has been done in asia and china. and this president from scranton, michigan, from scranton, p.a.

the industrial midwest, for decades he stood by and watched all these factories go away, go offshore. he said, we are not going to do that anymore. we will create a strategy. the united states is going to lead. i go to these international conferences. they are so envious of what we have done in the united states because it means that we are growing a full on industry here. we are stamping it, made in america. and we are using it. i am telling you, this is a whole game changer. >> so i saw this, this caught my eye. ahead of the clean energy jobs, the nonprofit, talking about the california grid. the battery storage discharge. batteries are the largest source of supply, and it shoots up around 7:00 a.m. and stays above the other sources. we are seeing places where texas, and to their great credit, they have had state- based policies with a good

alternative grid down there. we have seen them have moments where the biggest contributor, particularly that sort of padding to stop them when they get hit is green energy. how quickly, basically, are we on target is the big concern? >> well, we have a target of 100% clean electricity by 2035 and we have a target of getting to 50% carbon reduction by 2030. we as in the biden administration. those things we are on target to do. >> we really are? >> we are. i am not saying we are going to get 100% by 2030 but by 2030 the u.s. alone -- >> this is from like 28 numbers? >> from 2008. 40% of that production comes from the inflation reduction act. the other 10 is from state and from private sector actors. >> that is from modeling?

>> from modeling. but the bottom line is, we are seeing so much investment and so much movement and so much declared intentional policies from the state and from the private sector and from the federal government now. >> do you worry, i have started to get worried about a vaccine problem, which is this. you had this incredible crash course by the trump administration, among others. you got a vaccine. the vaccine was incredible, amazing production of american ingenuity and information, and then the madness of american politics polarized people against the vaccine. i worry that is going to happen. it is like the, i am watching because i report on this a lot. i am watching these engineering breakthroughs happening. mass deployment. commercialization. i am worried that you are seeing the cultivation of opposition to these innovations. >> it worries me to because we know there vested interests that want to see the clean

energy revolution fade. they want the status quo. however, 60% of the investments are going to red states. these battery companies, et cetera. solar factories. it would be political suicide for a politician to decide to vote against what is happening in that state. georgia is a great example. i mean, they have a huge new battery belt happening there. they are the main strap of the battery belt. and vying against a state like michigan, the buckle of the battery belt. but the governor, republican. he is saying, we watched this industry here, and he should. >> all right. secretary jennifer granholm of the united states government. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> that is it on this thursday night. alex wagner starts now. >> such an important conversation. senator or cabinet member.