it's good to be with you. i'm ana cabrera in for katy tur this afternoon. jury selection in donald trump's criminal trial in new york city has hit a hurdle. two jurors who were already sworn in are now out. more than half of today's initial pool of prospective jurors are also gone, self-excused on grounds that

they do not believe they can be fair and impartial. where do things go from here. prosecutors say juror number 4, an i.t. consultant concealed his criminal history, and also expressed privacy concerns to judge merchan, something that was also a concern of juror number 2, an oncology nurse. she told the court, friends and colleagues began questioning her identity as part of the jury based off media reports and now she didn't feel like she could remain impartial. these dismissals bringing the total to five seated jurors out of the 12, plus six alternates that are needed. this underscores just how difficult impanelling a jury will be. and everyone who has been trickling out of that courtroom seems to have an opinion on what's taking place inside. here's one woman's impression of the defendant, donald trump. >> you know, he looked less orange. definitely, like more yellowish.

yellow. he doesn't look angry. i think he looks bored, like he wants this to finish. and go do his stuff. >> now, throughout this process, trump has been very active on social media reposting false or unproven claims about the jury pool. prosecutors say trump has been violating the partial gag order. joining us now from outside the manhattan courthouse, our yasmin vossoughian. also with us, msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman, a former new york prosecutor, and catherine christian, former assistant manhattan district attorney. yasmin, get us up to speed. there was a break. since they came back from that lunch break, what's happening inside the courtroom? >> reporter: they're in voir dire now. steinglass who's one of the attorneys for the people is asking his questions to this potential jury. and then after that, he'll be followed by todd blanche or attorneys for the former president, and they'll get 30 minutes to ask their version of those questions to these

potential jurors. i kind of want to read a few exchanges i'm seeing to get a sense of what's happening inside the courtroom. so in regards to one juror saying they follow donald trump on instagram. this is the exchange. do you still currently follow him? i followed him years ago, that is juror. just generally because it was a news item when he put a tweet out, so i was aware of that. have you seen him post anything about this case. haven't paid much attention to it. there was another exchange with a potential female juror who talked about reading mark pomeranz book, you know he was an attorney working in the manhattan d.a.'s office investigating the former president, and subsequently left after alvin bragg became the manhattan d.a. i'm worried to know too much. i'm worried it's going to seep in some way. there are no wrong answers, sign steinglass says, can you put that aside? and the juror says yes.

this is a couple of examples of what's going on in the courtroom. in a minute or so it's going to change over, todd blanche, the former president's attorneys in which they're going to get their shot at these potential jurors and it moves on to the period where they decide who will get struck from this jury. if they have causal reason to strike them or they want to strike them. they only have four chances either side to do that left. >> so yasmin, stay with us. also keep an eye on that google doc with the latest reporting so we can be on top of it all. charles, today we are moving backwards. we started the day with seven people who had been seated in this jury. now we're down to five. what does that tell you? >> it tells me this is going to be as arduous and difficult a process as many of us expected to. many of us thought the sheer nature of what it is to be fair and impartial would make it an easy thing to do.

it has its numbers of hurdles and challenges. when you're talking about a case of this nature, there are some extra complications and you're starting to see that. the pressure in this case is not going to go down. it's only going to go up. for example, the juror who said my family, my friend, they were inquiring. that sort of thing is unsurprising in terms of that happening. what i'm seeing now overall is just the expected difficulty of picking the right jury for this particular case. >> catherine, do you have any concerns about how this jury selection process is going? >> now we're back to reality. what happened on tuesday when seven jurors were selected was remarkable. on a regular nonhigh profile case, that doesn't happen. now we're back to what happens in the real cases that aren't high profile. it takes some time, and the judge is at fault, and i don't like to criticize judges. there should be no reason why a juror is asked where do you work and where did you work before. it's enough to say i'm a lawyer

at a firm. the reason why, now we know, and can find where jurors are is because he asked those questions, and i know today he's requesting the press not report specific answers. they should not have been on the questionnaire. they were. that's another reason why people were able to find out where they are, these jurors, and you know, clearly they don't want to be bothered. we're back to reality. it's going to take time. >> yasmin, you have been talking to people inside the jury room. what more are they telling you? >> reporter: i'm going to answer that question in a moment. i want to comment on the conversation you're having because there's a real concern down here, by end of day friday, if they're able to stack this jury fully, able to get the rest of the jurors in place to stack them with 12 and six more alternate jurors, the worry is they could take two days over the weekend and a lot of jurors could have second thoughts, come back monday morning for opening arguments and say we don't want to do this anymore as jurors did today. that's a concern to keep in the

back of our minds as we're thinking about this time line. i did, in fact, on your show earlier today speak with a potential juror who actually walked out after raising their hand, can you be impartial, she said, no, i can't. she was part of a 96 member jury pool who walked into the court this morning after spending the day here on tuesday, and we ask her whether or not she thinks an impartial jury can be put together for this individual, donald j. trump. take a listen to what she has to say. >> do you feel like the people you were speaking with, that you sat with all day on tuesday, that they can put together a fair and impartial jury because of that sense of duty. do you think that's possible? >> i'm not sure about that. >> reporter: really, why? you know, everybody has biases, and, you know, stereotypes in their minds. you have to be a really, you

know, deep and you know fair person. which is very hard to do, right. in order to serve as a juror. i hope they do. i mean, this is justice right? >> reporter: we all know, ana, that donald trump is a divisive figure. that is a fact in this country. but what we didn't hear that we heard on your show a little bit earlier today is that when folks walked into the courtroom and realized who the defendant was, she said to me, they were all kind of frozen and shocked that it was the former president of the united states. so you can kind of understand why should say something like that. and it speaks to what catherine was talking about, the difficulty in putting together a jury in this city. >> what's your reaction to what we heard from that woman? >> she was honest. that's why she's no longer on the jury. that's what you want. it's the former president of the united states, and then that former president happens to be

donald trump. it's going to be very hard. i believe there are people that exist that can say you know what, whatever i feel about him, the people, the prosecutors have not proven the case beyond a reasonable doubt or they have. they can come up with a verdict. the defense is hoping there's just one person on there who will not participate or who will just say no. this is -- we can't do this to a former president, and then as a hung jury, and believe me, that case will not be tried again anytime soon. you will not find 12 people, i believe, it acquit. you could find 12 people to acquit, and you could also find one person or two who say not guilty, and then it's a hung jury. >> charles, do you think this juror questionnaire, the 42 questions, a, bs and cs, it's very comprehensive. is the asking the right questions in order to get that

legitimate fair, impartial jury seated? >> i think it is. you know, when you go through voir dire, you want to find out the questions you need to ask for this particular case. the case you're trying. every voir dire is going to be a little bit different because of the facts. when you look at it, it talks about have you supported donald trump in campaign contributions. are you someone who subscribes to qanon. these are conversations you have to take into account. regardless of whether we're talking about the crime, the law and the facts, you still cannot ignore the that defendant is the former president. there is a politicized nature to the case, even if the prosecution is not something that's being politicized. i think trying to read out people who might be influenced on those lines is something this

questionnaire does well which is why it's used in this case. if there's something that's going to give you a greater level of insight into someone's political leanings, in a way that might allow an attorney on further voir dire to preb and then find out is this going to prevent you from being fair and impartial, i think it's appropriate. >> there are two attorneys that have been seated as part of the jury so far. catherine, does that surprise you, and do you feel like those members of the jury would look at the evidence in this case differently than an average person. >> there are lawyers and already lawyers. a bankruptcy lawyer knows nothing about critical criminal. a criminal law knows nothing about bankruptcy law. it was my practice not to put a lawyer on a jury. >> why is that. >> stereo types. you think too much. i think of myself, i would be sitting there going object, why

isn't he object k. i wouldn't be able to help myself. if you have five people and four are horrible and the one who's okay is the lawyer. that's the one you're going to pick. >> absolutely. we share many of the same instincts. there's no way you're putting someone as an attorney on a jury. if you find out somebody has hobbies, and there are a lot of the police witnesses, you might ask, what are your hobbies, do you watch a lot of tv. yes. i wash "law and order," "cs i" they're expecting a level of forensic science, and they can go into a jury room and make themselves smarter than they are which can be a disaster for the

conversations on the jury. when you are making these assessments, you rely on stereo types. you are making snap judgments around strangers. which is why this is such an important process. >> thank you so much, yasmin vossoughian, and charles coleman, and catherine christian, appreciate all of you. please stay close. still ahead, things got ugly on the house floor this afternoon. what caused one lawmaker to get in speaker mike johnson's face and threaten him. plus, more than a dozen members of the kennedy family have formally endorsed president biden. what it means for one of their own, rfk jr.'s candidacy. and later, the number of hostages alive in gaza is a mystery. what u.s. and israeli officials are telling us and how it's impacting operations with hamas. we're back in 90 seconds. aine that contours to the body to relieve pain right where it hurts.

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oust speaker johnson. in fact, congressman matt gaetz called the behavior, quote, unhinged. joining us now, nbc news congressional correspondent, julie tsirkin, what do we know about this? >> reporter: cameras could not track it all. i saw it unfold before my eyes. everyone huddling around mike johnson, many members of the conservative house freedom caucus, threatening johnson not to put aid to ukraine on the floor, unless he has assurances the senate would vote on hr 2, this is something for months, democrats have telegraphed they would never do, and also something johnson strongly pushed back on, saying ukraine aid is important to this country's national security. here's marjorie taylor greene earlier saying she defending her move to oust speaker johnson.

watch. >> the republican speaker is hinging his entire ability to stay speaker on sending $60 billion to ukraine. i can't think of a worse betrayal to happen in united states history, and here's what's really ironic, the constitutional attorney, mike johnson, is literally betrag the american people in order to keep his grip of power on the speakership. >> reporter: there was confusion over what happened directly. after talking to lawmakers they said a lot of them did not want to go forward with the motion to vacate, even though they were frustrated and increasingly disappointed with speaker johnson's leadership on this issue. a hot of moderate republicans and democrats vowing to prop johnson up if he puts aid to ukraine on the floor. we don't know if that is going to happen for sure. >> to understand fully where we are right now, we have

conservative republicans who want an israel aid only bill, and that means democrats would have to get behind for this aid package to pass. right? does that just deepen the threat johnson would be facing yet with members of his party moving to strip him of his speakership. . >> reporter: it does and doesn't. packaging them up and sending them to the senate, basically creating one large supplemental bill similar to the one the senate passed months ago. they don't want that to happen. of course you have democrats and republicans who do want to take these individuals votes. you're right to point out that many house democrats are soured on aid to israel. you have all of these competing factions and certainly for johnson, again, putting that aid to ukraine on the floor is very important. while it might threaten the speakership, it also might save it. i spoke to moderate democrats

who said, listen, johnson is not kevin mccarthy, he works with us. we may not agree with his policies or views, but they are ready to go out on a limb to save him. democrats behind the scenes, democratic leadership are telling their members to keep the powder close to their vest. they don't want to overplay the chaos going on in the republican party. >> thank you, please keep us posted. coming up, the 2024 split screen. how donald trump is campaigning from the courtroom as president biden picks up a key endorsement today. several key endorsements, in fact, in philadelphia. plus. the prosecutor in donald trump's hush money trial just asked several jurors if they could look trump in the eye and convict him. we'll bring you more on what's happening inside that manhattan courtroom right now. courtroom r.

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welcome back. more than a dozen members of the kennedy family endorsed president biden today, going against one of their own. robert f. kennedy jr., they joined the president at a campaign event in the swing state of pennsylvania. >> he has a thriving again, believing again, behaving like good neighbors again. he stepped into the flames of chaos and turned it into community. thank you, joe biden.

[ applause ]. >> joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent monica alba and nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. so, monica, what more are we hearing from the kennedy family, how are they explaining putting their support behind joe biden and not one of their own family members, and how does an endorsement like this perhaps benefit joe biden. >> in the case of everybody you saw on stage just now there, ana, their own sibling, the siblings of robert kennedy jr. who came on the stage with president biden, and fully enbraced him over their own blood relative because the election is too high stakes to not get off the sidelines and put their weight behind president biden and vice president harris. they say that is because they believe their relative's candidacy could take votes away from president biden that could

be critical in some of these battleground states. they are putting that into the context of the margins. it could be however small, however tight, and that is why their anxiety and concern is growing, but overall, they also say that of course this was a difficult decision for them to make as a family because they love their family member, and they have had their difficult conversations. for his part, he's saying the same thing, robert f. kennedy jr. said in a social media post, he understands his family is speaking out today. they're politically active like kennedys always have been, and he understands and applauds that part of it. but he's also still proceeding with his campaign and saying he wants to be this alternative. that's why the biden campaign is nervous here. they have looked at the polling and they know that it's possible that some of the people that would be backing robert f. kennedy jr. could tilt the election in some key places, perhaps even somewhere like here in pennsylvania or other swing states that they're going to be

watching come down really to the wire. the president put this in personal terms, saying robert f. kennedy, the father of robert f. kennedy jr. was one of his heroes and icons and someone that motivated him to get into the political arena, and that's why he wanted to speak out and be a part of the key event. >> president biden has spent a lot of time in pennsylvania with while donald trump is stuck inside a new york courtroom. how is the biden campaign addressing trump's criminal trial on the trail? >> reporter: there has been an intentional split screen. the president is being careful about what he does and doesn't say about his predecessor and the former president while he is on trial. we have seen cheeky pieces, talking about the hush money payment in a different kind of subject line. they're referencing some of the things that came out in the

initial days of the trial, stormy, the word sleepy in some of the messaging on this. but then yesterday the president while traveling in pittsburgh simply said he knows that former president trump has been busy but didn't get into any detail of what he's doing, and that is by design. there's a strategy, they want to be sure there's no appearance that former president trump likes to talk about without evidence when he says these are biden trials or when he tries to talk about the department of justice orchestrating this against him without backing that up with credible evidence. instead that's why president biden has said that is totally independent. that's not something i'm going to weigh in on. they don't see any political value in doing so. >> vaughn, let's turn to the man on trial, donald trump seems to be taking the opposite approach. he's talking a lot about the trial. what are you learning about trump's campaign strategy? >> reporter: donald trump, this

is going to be important. he has no choice but to address the trial because he's tethered to the courtroom, mondays, wednesdays, thursdays and fridays and could be for the next six to eight weeks. you've seen him and his allies take it head on, not only in front of cameras, but also on social media, the campaign stage and try to paint their own story about the other players involved in this from michael cohen to stormy daniels. there's a gag order hearing where he could be found to have violated because of attacks on players that could be witnesses. donald trump is not only going to north carolina this saturday, this weekend for a campaign rally, the following saturday he's heading to new jersey for a campaign rally, and for donald trump he's continuing to make stops like the one he did at

harlem this week. donald trump wants to make himself the aggrieved, the martyr here, and for all intents and purposes, he is the criminal defendant, the one being targeted and prosecuted and for donald trump, until he is found guilty by these 12 jurors, for now he is going to continue to make the case that he is being unfairly prosecuted and targeted and at this point in time, he hopes that he can at least convince the american electorate at large that, you know, until you potentially see a hung jury or he's found innocent even that right now, this is an effort to undermine his campaign and make the sell that this is a politically targeted prosecution, and not an actually wound that's sound on legal merit. >> vaughn hillyard, monica alba, thank you so much for giving us the latest on those campaigns. after the break, the defense is now quizzing prospective jurors of their own social media posts. we'll bring you the latest.

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while the court continues to kick through voir dire, the lead prosecutor asked all 18 potential jurors who are in that jury box to ask themselves whether they will be able to look donald trump in the eye and convict him, if that's where the

evidence lies. back with us outside the manhattan courthouse, nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian and here with me, former new york prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. yasmin, what's the latest from the courtroom? >> reporter: off of that point you were making about steinglass wrapping up the voir dire portion of their q&a with potential jurors, asking the potential jurors, would you look donald trump in the eye, could you convict him, going on to say he wants assurances they have no concerns about their ability to render a guilty verdict. i'm reading from the google doc. trump, then, and this is color from inside the courtroom, is craning his head to see the jurors at the very end and responding to steinglass, he asks if two witnesses say two diametrically opposite things, is one of them lying. will any of them have a problem understanding that. that is a glimpse into what steinglass, an attorney for the people got into during his voir

dire session. i want to talk a little bit about what we're hearing from susan as well. they have completed 30 minutes of their q&a with these potential jurors and there are a couple of moments that stood out to me. a question, does anyone have a problem with holding the people to their burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt even if it happened a long time ago. one jurors says no, his politics are not always my politics, but as a human being, that is a different topic. another juror, i don't have strong opinions about him, but i don't like his persona. susan says, elaborate. he just is very selfish and self-serving. iany public serva. i don't know how he is in terms of his integrity or anything, in terms of his personal life. at this point, it seems the former president does not like this response from this potential juror, leaning back, crossing his arms in hearing these opinions of him. it will be interesting in the

next stage, looking ahead of course to the strike period, right, prosecution and defense, have four peremptory strikes next, and they have to present causal strikes. some of these very pointed, ana, i should say, answers. >> and charles, as yasmin was discussing what we are hearing from the courtroom, another note came through, and we're learning that donald trump's attorney or representative in this voir dire process asked the opposite of the steinglass question, saying will you have any problem render ago verdict of not guilty if the government doesn't prove its case. she went through each and every one of them. everybody answered yes at this point. i'm curious to learn more about the process that goes into researching these jurors because i know she was also asking about social media posts and sort of asking questions that seemed to imply she knew what was in their

posts and wondering whether they were going to be honest and how they answered. what kind of research do you do? >> there's no implication. she knows, you go through their social media accounts to see whatever it is you can find and if there's anything that jumps out, you want to make sure you can ask them about and see if they're going to own up to it. you want any indication one way or the other, is this person conservative, liberal, how are they leaning, where do they get thingso they share.at types of what can i learn about how the person thinks or are against in a way that's going to give me an advantage in terms of deciding whether i want them on the jury. >> in terms of the process, they have gone through the questions by the district attorney's office, and by donald trump's, is it up to the judge at this point to say some people may be dismissed for cause or what happens now? >> the judge will make an initial determination as to somebody or any of them who should be removed for cause, and then it could be that one of the

attorneys on either side has the idea that, look, one of the things that i heard rises to the level of cause, and then they will either have an opportunity to make their case and/or that person will be called to the bench for a side bar. there will be probing about the reasons why people should or should not be dismissed for cause. if the judge lets them stay, they will stay, and if they can go, following any of the causal challenges, there will be peremptory strikes made. each side has four more, and they will be able to dismiss for no reason at all. they don't necessarily need cause because they chose to use one of their strikes. >> if they don't, we see more people on this jury, which we'll be watching and bring people the updates in realtime. thank you so much, charles coleman, and yasmin vossoughian. coming up, negotiations to free dozens more hostages from gaza bogged down right now. what officials say is causing that. plus, what do you do when

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welcome back, while the world waits to see how israel will respond to iran's aerial attack last weekend, the u.s. has just issued a new round of sanctions against iran. president biden is saying this is a show of support for israel

as the u.s. continues to urge israel to stay measured in its response to iran. it comes as a deal for a cease fire with hamas hangs in the balance, complicated by what u.s. and israeli officials are telling nbc news that it is unclear right now just how many of the hostages still in gaza are actually alive. nbc's raf sanchez joins us in tel aviv, and courtney kube is standing by at the pentagon for us. raf, how is this uncertainty over the status of these hostages complicating efforts to reach a cease fire and a deal of some sort to free hostages? >> reporter: so, ana, these talks were already in a bad place. they have been for weeks. this development bringing them to an even worse one. you'll remember the broad framework that the mediators that have been trying to get each side to agree to, hamas would leave 40 hostages from the humanitarian category, women, children, elderly, people with

serious medical conditions and in return, they would get a six-week cease fire from israel. hamas is now indicating they may not have 40 hostages alive who fit those criteria who they can trade, so from the israeli perspective, they are saying there's no way that they are going to agree to a deal until hamas commits to finding those people and releasing them alive. hamas is saying there's simply no way to know. there's no way for them to find out who's alive and who's dead while the bombing continues when they're unable to contact different cells spread out throughout the gaza strip. it is worth saying, ana, this is one of several really serious road blocks to these negotiations. you'll remember the last cease fire deal collapsed back in early december, and since then, there have been marathon negotiations but no results. one of the other big sticking points here is hamas wants palestinian civilians displaced

from their homes to be allowed to return to northern gaza. israel says it is prepared to allow a small number to return, but they have to go through israeli screening at check points. hamas is saying that is a nonstarter. they are also gridlocked over the question of whether this is a temporary cease fire or as hamas wants, this is a permanent cease fire that will lead to the end of the war. it's not just the hostages and families who are waiting desperately for a deal here. it is also palestinian civilians, many of whom are on the brink of famine. the secretary general of the united nations saying today while more food aid is now getting into gaza after israel, under american pressure, agreed to open new crossings, there still needs to be a quantum leap in the amount of aid getting in. i'll close by saying in the next hour or so, the u.n. security council is going to vote on a

proposition to give palestinians full membership of the united nations. right now, they have observer status. the united states has said they will veto that proposition. >> this whole situation with the hostages and civilians suffering in gaza. it's heart wrenching. courtney what are we learning about the new round of sanctions against iran from the biden administration. >> reporter: they were just announced today, and they specifically target entities and individuals, so companies and individuals who are directly involved in iran's drone and ballistic missile programs. now, of course drones and ballistic missiles and land attack cruise missiles are exactly what the world saw iran attack israel with last weekend. and according to a statement from president biden and from the biden administration, that is the exact reason that they're going after them with these sanctions. the goal here is to target the companies that provide some of the components for these parts, components for the things like the drones and the missiles. now, for example, they are going after one company that builds

the engines for the prime drones that we saw go after israel last weekend. now, again, the hope here is that if they go after these individuals and these companies, many of whom are directly tied into the iranian revolutionary guard corps, the military there, the hope is they will be able to degrade iran's military capability and either stop or deter or even degrade their ability to carry out a large-scale attack like we saw last weekend. >> courtney kube, raf sanchez, thank you both for your reporting. back at the new york city courthouse, 96 more prospective jurors have 96 more perspective jurors have been seated yet today. we're still watching that trial. more updates as we dpet them. up next, what one pennsylvania

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welcome back. we talk a lot about turnout. the fact that who comes out to vote and who decides to stay home can be the difference maker in a neck and neck general election. it matters ace cross the board, but especially in those swing states, which is why one local elections official in pennsylvania is getting a little

creative about getting out the vote. let's bring in dasha burns for more on this. tell us about this creative effort. >> i think any of us who have been out there talking to voters can sense the apathy, the frustration, they don't like either of the candidates at the top of the ticket. they are frustrated with congress. they want to check out. but some elections officials like the man you're going to meet in this story, they are trying some interesting ways to get that enthusiasm back up and this time he's doing it by honoring the people that have been super committed to voting. watch. >> this is a really inspiring day. >> reporter: beyond these glass doors, democracy is in action. >> we have 16 inductees into the voter hall of fame. >> reporter: this is montgomery county, pennsylvania's voter hall of fame ceremony. honoring voter who is cast a ballot in the last 50 general

elections. >> 1956. anybody got 1956? this is like an option. >> longevity has its rewards. this is one of them to be able to live long enough and say, gosh, i really have voted that many times. >> you have seen some stuff in elections. >> i have seen a lot. >> county commissioner took office last year running with an eye on restoring confidence in elections. >> when the seat opened up, i thought this is a real place where we can make a difference. >> right now, election enthusiasm is at an all-time low for a presidential contest, according to nbc news polling going back to 2008. they hope events like this can trust in the process. in a swing state as important as pennsylvania. >> there have been lies that have been spread in terms of questioning the integrity of the

system. >> how much of a problem is voter apathy or frustration or disengagement the for those various reasons. >> i think we're dealing with issues of distrust in politicians and the process. we're the most courted voters in the country. reminding people that we set the direction of the country. it will make a difference. >> alan and rose mary are two of today's honorees. >> we didn't did for an award. >> we did not. >> while they are still unsure how they will vote, one thing is for certain. they will definitely cast a ballot. >> you have to make a decision. you don't want other people making the decision for you. then you have to participate. >> for greg, the decision is simple. >> what's your message now to the folks who are looking at this election. feeling apathetic and don't want to engage. >> i think there's always going

to be frustrations in life. not voting as consequences. >> and greg also remembered a time when folks like him, his grandparents were not allowed to vote. so he's thinking about how much of a privilege this is and it's folks like that that have come out time ask time again who have had elections where they weren't thrilled with the choices they had had or were frustrated with the state of things, but they did it. they came out time and time again and maybe we can learn a little lesson from these great people. >> i love the inspiration that they offer and hopefully does provide some motivation for others who haven't been as consistent in voting and maybe questioning whether it's worth it this year. we're still 200 days or so away from the election this november. >> the county commissioner is starting to hire more people, building out satellite offices, and doing some practical stuff like putting out mobile vote curing that he will release

later in the year cloerz closer to the the election that might have issues with ballots. it's not about what side you're on. it's about engaging with this really important process. >> dasha, thank you so much. that sweet story with those great people working hard in pennsylvania. that's going to do it part us today. i appreciate you joining us. i'll be back tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york, the challenges of holding accountable a criminal defendant dead set on using whatever tools he has at his disposal to blow past the limits of the law by any means possible burst into public view today on day three of the people of the state of