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. worried that israel's response to iran could drag the united states into this conflict. new reporting tonight on the president convening top congressional leaders to discuss the striking. a stern legislative response and buckle up big apple. historic week ahead in new york where jury selection begins tomorrow in the hush money
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trial of donald trump. let's do it. tensions are high in the middle east as the world waits on israel's next moves in the aftermath of iran's retaliation attack. israel's united envoy issued a stark warning earlier. >> we are not a frog in boiling water. we are a nation of lions. the entire world let alone israel can not set foreign action. we will defend our future. >> this comes as president biden is cautioning israel not to retaliation against iran. nbc news chief foreign affairs respond ant said biden told benjamin netanyahu that the u.s. will not participate in offensive military actions against iran. with top officials subsequently telling nbc news that biden has privately expressed concern
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that benjamin netanyahu is trying to drag washington into a brooder conflict. israel has been facing widespread and growing criticism over the military approach to gaza. and the latest escalation raising major excoalitions how it will proceed for a ceasefire from world leaders around the glob. the military spokesperson said that the operation in gaza will continue and hamas will ignite the middle east. as the foreign minister put it, it is to end the aggression so the world will refocus on gaza. the senior producer and special projects at nbc news. great to have you back with us. from your reporting, what options might be presented by the israeli military as he and other in the coalition contemplacement discuss.
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they will not stand for this aggression. >> so, a series of plans are going to be presented ranging between small to larger push back and firing back at iran for what happened on saturday night. but, israeli officials that i talked to, they would not go into any spectacular details. my reporting from over the last six months indicates there say long list of people of individuals that israel thinks might of had something to do with the planning of october 7th and they want to go one by one and take out those people. be they in the region, in the middle east, in lebanon, syria. and so that is potentially from what i can glean a tactic they might take. so, in the next few days i will continue this reporting and we will see what kinds of plans. here is the thing. if israel wants to have a surprise attack. even by them coming out after this lengthy war cabinet meeting and now saying the idf
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is going to present the plans, it has been strange to watch as how they sort of broadcasted to the world what they are going to do and things seemed haphazard. it brought frustration, trying to figure out, guys, do you have a strategy? what are you going to do, tensions growing between biden and the nfc and the israeli counterparts in israel. >> for america's part in this, the world that we heard today from robert was the deputy u.s. representative to the united nation is accountability. the u.s. is calling on israel not to retaliate and support any offensive war. they want to see the world hold accountable. do you have anything that looks like that perspect? >> we can not do just about nothing. bide enwas saying just take the
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win. the defense and that amazing, the fact that few casualties in the face of this, the defense worked pretty well. guys take the win. i would say across the political spectrum we can not just do nothing we have to do something. and officially the americans are growing. there has to be some kind of -- growing, -- agreeing. they have to make that strong stance. we know watching benjamin netanyahu, that is his whole mo. this appearing strong. regardless of the diplomatic stakes. >> domestically in terms of american politics we know the president has made calls to congressional leaders to try to get aid delivered both to ukraine and israel. do we have any idea how lost night's attack by iran advances certainly the aid bill that israel is seeking in this
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administration was? >> reporter: biden is hoping that what happened is actually going to push some of the trump republicans to actually vote for this bill that would open up this aid that people who really studied the region are saying this is crazy. it has been held up for so many weeks the region is desperate. look at ukraine. look at gaza. the israel gaza conflict on both sides. you have people arguing, israel needs support. people are suffering. aid needs to get in there. but i would say the same thing. ukraine has been dire straits and it is mind boggling to a lot of people who are watching this that bill has gotten, that, or that, that initiative to get the funds to the region has been held up so long. >> always a pressure. thank you for your explent
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reporting. take care -- excellent reporting. that i can care. now, ben, political advisory, ben good to have you with us. they are worry about what an israeli response might be. some far right in the government are calling for a harsh response. in their cabinet meeting officials are saying they are still dealing with their proxies in the region. still in the middle of the war and response has to be even crazier than what we have seen before. what have you anticipate coming out of israel in the next 24/48 hours? >> well, i think the key question here is if the israeli response is to launch an attack inside ever i iranian territory. we seen many killed in the guard core. it was an attack on a sovereign
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piece of iranian territory, a diplomatic facility. this then, the attack in iran and israeli. so, suddenly, what had been a proxy war in the different parts of the region. direct exchange of fire. now, if they attack iran, they could strike back. what they did not do this last time around. perhaps mobilizing all of the hezbollah rockets or cruise and ballistic missiles over the drones that are easier to shoot down here. and also iranian missles shot down. that is one way to go. that is the thing that biden does not want to see happen. the other is iranian proxies, lebanon, syria, iraq or something that is not visible, cyberattack against iran that would be more like where things were in this proxy a couple weeks ago.
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that is the choice before benjamin netanyahu and the coalition. >> can israel carry out from what you have seen then the attack against iran without the united states? it is one thing in syria and remain ambiguous and does not draw a response. if israel were to generally attack iran directly can it did so without the united states, the day of or the day after? >> certainly that capability. preferring that they helped facilitate it. helping iran directly. they have not yet done so. they have done some things in cyberspace. i think the concern that the united states has is if israel has that and iran responds in kind that the likelihood of the united states getting drawn in the conflict goes up. that is the first concern and
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the danger to u.s. personnel and members in the region and global disruption. do they shift through the straights, what happens to iranian energy sources that are part of, you know, what impacts global oil prices. all sorts of ways it could go. does there become an all out war in lebanon? these are the things that the u.s. has been trying to avoid since the 7th. that i am sure that isip forming all of it. >> what do you make of the jordanian response? to undertake the defense of israel perhaps the defense of his own airspace under the guise of sovereingnty benefited israel. what do you make of this and
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his criticism? many really gone after him and put him in a difficult situation where he does not have a lot of support right now on the ground among many of his, i guess, fellow countryman if you will? >> reporter: this entire conflict puts them in a situation. most of all in jordan. an enormous palestinian population. while those arab leaders, there is no love for iran there. >> right. >> they are aligned against iran. and the other end, their own people are sympathetic to the palestinians and what is happening in gaza and really engaged at the israeli military operations.
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again, it creates pressure around the leader who is caught between the security requirements and the relationship with u.s. and israel and has to make decisions on shooting down the iranian bombardment of israel and his own people. feeling like he is not doing enough to fuel the relationship to bring an end to the relationship in gaza. yet, another escalation, the longer the war in gaza goes on the more there are all of these different ways unpredictable things can happen. one of the things that they are watching, of course, domestic political situation instability for a leader. do you think it say mistake that they have been finding themselves isolated after six months after what some said was a disastrous war in gaza and not destroying hamas. then you finally have american policies and aid to israel? that now in the past 24 hours, that narrative has changed with
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american politics rushing to israel's defense. the u.s., even, even jordan now to some extent coming to its defense. that has changed and it is a failure by iran? >> reporter: yeah, i mean this, this kind of logic that you have to do something is a problem. and, look, the reality is, the situation in gaza is the same today as it was a week ago. in fact the likelihood of a ceasefire deal it is further aware. israel equates hamas and iran directly. tensions are up. so, the losers as always in the circumstance are the people of gaza. the palestinian people in gaza. i guess iran can show it is not afraid to take a shot at israel. i just don't see the logic that you have to respond everywhere in the region. that is part of what we are
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dealing with and hopefully that cycle can be broken. it has been steady. >> and now that question is, falling on the israeli prime minister if he will retaliate. always a pressure. thanks, good to see you again on this show. turning to the historic show that is monday. jury selection set to get under way in the donald trump hush money trial. the donald trump h money trial. it's time. yes, the time has come for a fresh approach to dog food. everyday, more dog people are deciding it's time to quit the kibble and feed their dogs fresh food from the farmer's dog. made by vets and delivered right to your door precisely portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. ♪♪ (♪♪) i'm getting vaccinated with
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. tomorrow morning, here in new york city, in a courtroom, donald trump will go from ex- president to plaintiff. we may have grown numb to the outrageous trump headlines in the news it can not be understated how unprecedented and historic a moment tomorrow will be. look. the former heads of state do face criminal conviction it is not a novel idea t. is supposed to happen in democracies, over the years you have france, brazillia, south korea that have seen their former leaders face prosecution for their alleged crimes. but this is the first time that an american president ever stood trial in a criminal case. trump reportedly tried to put the brakes on this trial. in just the past week alone. trying and failing four separate times to delay the start of it. come monday, he will finally be
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forced to face the music. the disgraced ex-president, con- - constantly complaining on his truth media. now, the tolerance of his tie raids is perhaps the most glaring sign of the judicial system's trump exceptionalism. but it is far from the only example large and small in cases trump has been given more freedom and privileges than any other defendant in his shoes. joining me now, washington bureau chief and msnbc political analyst. great to have both of you with us. david, i will start with something that you wrote. you know, while the trial does not address the criminality or
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alleged criminality and the threat to democracy you write the trial carries powerful symbolism for all of trump's cases. this one reminds the nation he emerges from a sleazy sewer that plended trashy blended it >> do you think it will change how america views donald trump? >> no. it will not fundamentally change anything. people's views in favor of him or opposed to him are set in stone. a slim portion of the country that might be moved in one way or another. it reaffirms the donald trump that became a politician. i have to say, i don't mean to, when i wrote that piece i did not mean to dismiss the legal issue at stake here. this is an election interference case. he paid the hush money and recorded it falsely in order to
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cover up an illegal in-kind contribution. how do we know it is illegal? because michael cohen went to jail for this. there is already a crime here established by a federal prosecution. i think, though, there will be something, i don't know if shocking is the right word, but something that may be unsettling. it will be new in the list of trump outrages to see him go, we will not see it from inside but it will go to the courtroom for a criminal trial in which sitting there for weeks on end. came and go as he pleased and the witness testimony that comes out, it will not be about numbers about the size of an apartment it will be about having an affair with a porn star while his wife just given birth to their son. it will be how he hushed it up, it will be about the involvement about the national inquirer and how he had an alliance with sleazy tabloid to cover up not just this but other aspects of his personal
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life. he did not want voters to know about. so, it gets to the core of the type of politician and celebrity he is and in some ways it is a bit of a trump origin story. >> to that point, how does the trial and the prosecution has to establish that a, a crime has committed. and michael cohen and what he was found guilty of. how do you expect the circus to be tomorrow and opening from the prosecution to look like? >> there will be a circus. in this system trump is treated as we explain to a different standard then everybody else. if it was and other person trump would be wheeled into the courthouse on the hannibal
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lector gurney f. it were me, we would be in jail already. all of us regular human beings would be in jail. trump is not in jail. he will walk in, give a statement, something before he talks and goes in the courtroom and he will go into a black hole for a couple hours and then he will come out. before any of the reports have come out, of what actually happened at the trial trump will spin it into whatever political campaign thing he wants to spin. sit right there on the courthouse steps and lie, lie about what happened. lie about stormy daniels, lie about michael cohen, lie about the judge, lie about the judge's family and prosecutors and nothing is going to happen to him. it will happen to all of us for six weeks. in terms of the law here, it is pretty simple. you don't have to do much. as david explains, we already know for the most part, for the most part, that he had sex with stormy daniels. we already know that he lied about it. we already know he paid her money to make sure she kept quiet about it. we already pretty much know he
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took the money illegally from his campaign funds without telling anybody. all of the prosecution has to do legally is establish that trump knew what he was doing at every point. you know who can establish that for them? michael cohen. because he of the person who was instructed to do all of these dirty sheen nan shananagans. he has already been to jail so he has no incentive other than to tell the truth that should be in terms of the law. >> one thing that we forgotten a big news item when michael cohen was sentenced and prosecuted. that is that trump was named by federal prosecutors as individual one. >> right. >> did not use his name. he instructed michael cohen to take the actions that landed him in jail. so, according to the feds. this is not a federal case.
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this is a new york state case. according to the feds, he already is a co-co-conspirator of the crime. it is also if you read a book in the southern district. you see the feds stopped the investigation after michael cohen. they did not look further into trump's culpability. he does not prosecute sitting president but at the same time how do you have a guy that ordered a crime and then not be indicted and further investigated. i think we can ask, from bill barr that question. attorney general at that time. so, he already is involved in what the feds say is a crime that did happen. >> let me ask you eli, about the jury selection and your
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point of it being a circus. we have gotten a look at the questionnaire that will be talking. it does not ask jurors who they voted for. there are 42 questions. if they belong to qanon or anita. how do they find someone who does not already have a strong opinion about trump as david was saying earlier? we all know what you feel and don't feel about this guy. how do you get a jury to ignore all of it and look at the facts? >> jury selection will be the whole ball game. all trump needs is one. all trump needs is one cultist, one supporter to sneak into that jury and he can hang the whole thing. he or she can hang the whole thing. that will be where the ball game is. to answer your question at a higher level. the goal is not to find somebody who does not have an opinion on trump. that is impossible. the goal is to find people who,
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in good faith, are will be to put aside what they already know and believe about trump and instead take in only the evidence presented to them at trial. now, that is difficult, that is not something frankly that i could do. if you, i would be like no, i already made up my mind. i am out. so i do, i think in new york city you have to find 12 people not who do not have an opinion on trump but who are willing to put that aside as best they can and listen to the evidence presented to them at trial. i thinking there is a hope that can happen and i do hope that both the judge and the prosecutors are looking for those 12 people. >> trump's attorneys are looking for their own cultist. they will be doing the sign. pu, all right >> who is wearing a red tie.
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. keep an eye on congress this week. bipartisan calling are calling for a response by the united states against the retaliation attacks on israel. calling for the urgency to pass a humanitarian bill. the bill will be changed to vote that supports israel and holds iran's proxies accountable. if they are going to send articles of impeachment for mayorkas. if they do not put him on trial for what they are calling the
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mishandling of the southern border. even if democrats agree and johnson sends the articling over there are still senate republicans that are not on board saying a lack of clear evidence. now, in iran's statement last night when they confirmed their strikes on israel were concluded they warned the united states to stay away. but, what do you make of the bipartisan rush or coalition of lawmakers who are asking for a direct u.s. response? will it be a mistake? >> reporter: yeah, so, here is all i am going to say about that. that is far from my field of expertise. what i can tell you is that the republican plan to inflict maximum pain on the democrats by dragging the mayorkas thing out is in conflict with the republican plan to rush aid to israel and do the sabre rattling whatever they are going to do.
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as quickly as possible. to enact pain they have to slow the process down. to rush money to israel they need to speed it up. what we don't know is which republican thing they want to do more. that is what we still have to wait and see for. what i do think is that the democrats need to be playing at their level. we know that the republicans want to rush this money. so, let's be aware of that and make sure we get rid of the mayorkas thing first so it does not cause maximum pain. like if the republicans are going to play hardball it is time to play hardball back with them on things that they want. and that, that is what i hope the democratic party realizes. >> what do you make of that? the chances that they are going to play hardball t. is clear they are up to something to agree to the trial of mayorkas and hold up aid to american
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allies both facing national security threats. >> i mean there is not a lot of consistency to what they are doingment i think that chuck schumer and the others believe it is a lot of bunk. they want to get rid of it as soon as they can. basically have what, you know, in a court you have a dismissal of a case that you thought had no merit. >> is that a smart thing? you do that, basically, you are. even if you go throw the emotions with them. >> i think they have to do something. >> really? >> and senator, you know, the republican/independent of alaska has come out and said she thought they should get rid of it right away. they have to do something, i believe schumer will try to do it as quickly as possible. it is kind of the far right republicans in the senate who are saying if you do that and don't give us a full file we are going to block everything.
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well, then, will they be blocking the aid to israel? they might be blocking the aid to ukraine which they want to do. >> politically they would not be able to block the aid to israel. >> i think they will get tied up over their own sneakers as well. i think it will be very, very messy week. i think, you know, throughout it all you will have the hawks, too, calling for an attack on iran. >> right, right. >> you sort of lindsey graham and two others. >> yes. israel itself now might not want to do it, and biden is trying to prevent it from happening. a lot of crust currance. >> what do you think eli, of them violating the laws in their articling of impeachment.
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to david's point you have some republicans calling it a waste of time. others are pointing to the fact that they have not seen the evidence yet. but, what does it is a about how far the democrats will let it play out? >> look, mayorkas being impeached because they impeached trump twice. and the republicans are like no we need to impeach somebody, too. they could not figure it out against biden so mayorkas taking the fall and immigrants are bad and scary. who can you blame now? it is his turn. the charges against him from a legal standpoint i believe scientists would call them stupid. like it is not, there is nothing there. mayorkas implemented policies, republicans don't like the policies so they are trying to impeach him. there is nothing there. i think we are out to level seriously concerned on the
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susan collins of caring about things. there is, alexander mayorkas not getting impeached. the question is how much time do the republicans want to waste not impeaching him? that is what we need to play out this week. against the backdrop of serious things happening in the world. just a question of how clownish the republicans want to look just at the moment. >> these are not serious people as what was famously said. thank you to the both of you. greatly appreciate it as always. next up, a journalist known for his coverage of the genocide in bosnia what he takes from what we are seeing get played out from gaza are s get played out from gaza ♪ i'll be there... ♪ ♪ you don't... ♪ ♪ you don't have to worry... ♪ known as a loving parent. ♪ you don't... ♪ known for lessons that matter. known for lessons that matter.
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the following video disturbing. >> a respected teacher and a beloved family member walked with hope to safety. but that hope was shattered. >> terrifying video struck a cord with journalist peter moss who said it reminded him of what he witnessed while covering the genocide in bosnia, snipers firing on civilians in broad daylight. he notes quote when israel bombs and shoots civilians, blocks food aid, attacks hospitals and cuts off water supplies, i remember the same outrages in bosnia. he says witnessing a genocide firsthand as a jewish person made him understand speaking out. especially if your government is abetting to the war crimes. he writes through the years i realize that exposing war crimes wherever they occur is central to my identity as an
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american, a journalist, and a jew. here to discuss this is righter and editor peter mmaass. "love my neighbor: a story of war" i want to start by change you how you came to that realizization of how exposing war crimes is so important to who you are and how did covering the genocide in bosnia play a role in what you are seeing now? >> reporter: precisely by virtue of covering the war in bosnia that i came to that sense of identity. i think it was one that a lot of journalists and witnesses and survivors of the war in bosnia which was later ruled by international tribunals came to not just myself. it was impossible. i went there as a journalist that never covered war before. i saw in front of myself people shot by snipers. people's houses, civilian
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houses bombed, aid shipments cut off, water cut off, electricity cut off. people going hungry. all of these things. and, you know, particularly if you see that level of attacks on civilians as your first experience of war which was mine, it really impresses you. and the fact that what i saw was later ruled as genocide. the cases that occurred and i reported on. it just, you would have to be a different kind of person than i am not to have that become the center of your life. >> in your piece you lay out the similarities you see between what you saw in bosnia and what you are seeing happening in gaza. atrocities tend to rhyme. what are those atrocities that you see rhyming between bosnia's genocide and what you are seeing now in gaza? >> reporter: it just takes one example, the video, the
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terrible video that you just showed that i mentioned in the story that i wrote. of a gazaian grandmother shot pretty clearly by an israeli. i stayed in this hotel on the frontlines called the holiday inn and regularly there are sniper fire. one day sniper fire and i heard someone scream and i looked out my window and a man had just been shot and i watched him try to drag himself away. he was seriously injured. so when i see these videos emerging from dpazza. when i see people who are, you know, escaping conflict in their wagons with their horses, when i see pictures of children in hospitals, children who have been killed. these are things that i saw in bosnia in significant numbers. and the numbers are more significant now in gaza. it is just, you know, you have to be, you know.
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deaf in so many ways, having seen what i saw to not see what is going on in gaza now. and, you know, one thing that i just add i saw a lot of legal killing of civilians in other wars. it is not illegal to kill civilians in warfare, there are conditions in which it is not, a lot of conditions in which it is not a war crime, i saw that in iraq and afghanistan, what i saw in bosnia, that is a genocide. there is too much in gaza that we minds me of that >> your personal experience, you are of course jewish, your ancestors were part of the nonzion movement. they supported movement to palestine but opposed the creation of the jewish state. what can you tell us about the history of that movement, of jewish people defending their right to palestinians up to this moment? >> i want to say defending the
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rights of the palestinians was the primary thing. my great-grandfathers were in the movement. they were motivated by the fact and it is before world war ii that so many jewish in europe were being persecuted in such terrible ways in germany in the 1930s before world war ii and the holocaust. so, they donate a lot of money to resetel jews elsewhere in europe, in america, and also in palestine. and, they were nonzionist because they wanted to have jews, supported jews to go to palestine but they did not want a jewish state. they thought a jewish state would call into question the loyalty in america and other countries. you must be loyal to that and not the one you live in. and the second one, they were concerned about violence
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between jews and arab if, indeed, there was going to be a fight for who will control the governments there. >> how do you think israel, you know, conducts itself under this scrutiny right now? should be held to account. 100 eyes for one eye is not a thing in international theme. did you being that is what israel is doing taking out 100 eyes for an i? >> i think, well, not to take this too far but it matters what we are talking about. military or civilian. the civilian toll it is so far more people getting killed. in bosnia there were many children killed. there is enough, what appears to be evidence to justified. intent is important and kind of
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battlefield conditions and how much do israeli soldiers know? do they know 100% they are civilians, are they intending to kill civilians t took years for the international tribunal for them to pass through before they reached verdicts in the cases. some cases they threw out. some of the indictments. so, my feeling is that there is enough there to justify investigation by kind of duly authorized authorities. everyone points to that. even if you don't believe they are committing war crimes support the investigations. they will get to the bottom and end the debates >> yes. any way to exonerate them if they are not. peter maass, thank you, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this evening. >> thank you. if see is believing you must witness the work of palestinian journalists. we will tell you about that, after the break we will tell you about that, after the break known for getting everyone together. no one wants to be known for cancer,
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caption. the warning that the following photos are graphic. we want to show the reality of the war uncensored. this photo was taken on october 9th writing in parts, quote, i followed the sound of a pained cry. a howl i will not forget. i found this father with his dead child. he reportedly said we were buying vegetables, we were buying vegetables. this one, december 20th. the caption reads, quote, i coold not hold myself up when i saw her gasping for breath and the piece of candy still stuck in her hand stained with blood. this photo was taken on october 7th writing quote, this child was pulled out of the rubble losing all of his family. he kept asking about his bicycle saying it belonged to someone else. the innocence and sorrow thinking about the bicycle without comprehending what he
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has been through hit me. >> this captured his friend on november 5th at the hospital, he writes, four of his children were killed in an air strike. his wife was severely injured. i knew his children, all i could do was to be there with him crying. >> this photo taken on january 25th writing quote when i took the picture of the children who were eating food in the street i kept thinking they once lived a beautiful life in their homes. and that is the next picture, horrific image, taken november 4th. he writes, quote, the little girl was killed along with three of her brothers by an israeli air strike in the market. the mother lived but was hopeful for hours they would be pulled out alive from the paramedics where her home once stood. also this photo november 7th. this little girl was pulled from under the rubble. her cancer-inflicted mother by
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her side. both pulled out alive. i can not tell you if they are still alive today. this 12-year-old brushing his teeth. he writes, quote. he is a childlike and other child. a child who wants to play, a child with an amputated hand who wants to play. this final image was taken, october 29th in gaza city. quote, i saw this bird flying free against the bombardment of a residential neighborhood. that day was full of bombardments and heavy air strikes hitting everywhere in gaza. people were rushed to take dead and injured out of the house and missed fire and smoke. the bird kept flying. thank you for taking time for us this evening and weekend. follow us on x and instagram. my friend and colleague picks
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