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in israel. we begin with this hour with breaking news out of the middle east where iran has launched drone strikes and attacks towards israel, more than 200 rounds launched earlier today, according to the israeli defense force. the idf says they have intercepted the vast majority of them. meanwhile, president biden is back in washington tonight where he just spoke once again with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, after meeting with his national security team throughout the afternoon. no word on the specifics of the call that we will keep you posted as soon as we get any details of that. president biden has cut short his weekend retreat in delaware to consult with his national security team on iran's attack on israel. nbc brie jackson is with us this evening from washington. any update on what the president's call with the prime minister of israel was all about? >> good evening, jose. we're still waiting word from

the white house to give us more detail about what happened during that call, but we know that the president did speak with israeli prime minister netanyahu by phone this evening, that phone call followed that high-stakes meeting of the president had with his national security team. inside the white house situation room. we're told that meeting lasted roughly two hours. the president posted a photo of it on social media, and you can see that secretary of defense lloyd austen as well as secretary of state antony blinken were among those there in the room during that meeting. vice president harris is traveling, she attended via video. the president is stressing his commitment to israel's security against threats is ironclad. he's making that, making that, emphasizing that point. a senior defense official says there are concerns that israel could respond to quickly to iran's attacks without thinking

through the potential fallout. those concerns are partly from the administration's views of israel's approach to its war against hamas and israel strike on iran's embassy in syria earlier this month. that attack is what sparked this retaliatory strike that we're seeing happening here. iran's attack began with more than 100 rounds headed toward israel followed by those missile strikes. the u.s. military intends to shoot down the iranian drones, we're told they've already shot some down, but their focus is on missiles that come into range of u.s. assets in iraq and syria as well as at sea. we continue to get updates from the white house, a couple key things we are looking for coming out of the white house is what the response will be moving forward, still waiting for more information about that phone call between president biden and israeli prime

minister netanyahu. the key here is, how will the u.s. responded to this moving forward? >> it was interesting that when the israelis attack those high government officials, military iranian officials in damascus, killing many of them, the united states did communicate directly with iran to say that they, the united states, was not in any way informed, certainly involved in that. is there any indication that maybe the united states is having some back channel conversations with iran? we do know that there was a sense of disappointment about what was happening here, in particular when it came to israel's strike on that embassy in syria. but what we do also know is that lawmakers on capitol hill are among those that are really emphasizing, or doubling down

on the support that the u.s. has for israel as more information about this comes down. we do know that u.s. officials have been in constant contact, constant communication with israel, even before these strikes happen. we know the secretary of defense lloyd austen was communicating with his israeli counterparts, so we know that lawmakers on capitol hill are expecting to be briefed by the white house on this situation next week. we also could see a vote on legislation as efforts to support israel are renewed because of the strikes that we've seen today. >> brie jackson in washington, thank you so much. i want to turn now to the perspective of a military expert joining us now, retired army colonel jack jacobs, and msnbc military analyst and a medal of honor recipient. it's always a pleasure to see you. when you see what has been going on throughout much of the evening, and now as it's 5:05

in the morning, in tel aviv, and the sun is about to rise, what did you see in this military operation carried out by iran? >> a couple of things to keep in mind, the first is that iran telegraphed their intentions, so everybody had plenty of time to prepare. the indication is that iran wanted to make sure that everybody understood that they were going to retaliate but, gave the allies an opportunity to make sure that the damage was delimited in order to motivate israel not to do anything further. which is why they treated that the case is closed, the second thing to keep in mind, is that this is an allied effort. all of these came from iran over saudi territory, and jordanian territory, toward

israel. both the saudi's and the jordanians were involved in taking out some of those assets. the third thing to keep in mind is that the other allies, not just the united states, but nato on our side, that includes specifically great britain, cooper dissipated in shooting these down. to the extent that there is any damage at all, israel would be hard-pressed to try to justify any attacks on iranian soil, recognizing that that would raise the stakes dramatically, and everybody on both sides has been talking to israel about not doing that. so, it's likely that there will be a breather in any case over the next couple of days, and the united states is going to be working very, very hard to ensure that israel does not do anything rash. another thing to keep in mind,

also, is that iran uses, this is the first time iran is directly involved, but remember that by and large, the wars in the middle east are fought by proxies. the most dangerous proxy is hezbollah, which is one reason why israel has pulled almost everybody out of gaza and trying to redeploy those who are on active duty up to the north, that's the most dangerous place, up in the north on the border with lebanon, jose. >> i'm wondering, colonel, because after the massacre, the seventh of october massacre, where israel was attacked, more than 1200 men women and children were massacred on that day, there has been this, i've been wondering about, what is it that israel has to take into consideration when it decides how to retaliate?

an attack? we've seen what they've done after the seventh of october, what are the elements that israel has to take into consideration tonight, after this attack? >> it's a very interesting question, if left to their own devices, and in a perfect world as far as israel is concerned, there would be an all-out attack on the major installations in iran, in particular the reactors at all this year, and other places where the development of nuclear weapons is taking place, they would dearly love to get rid of those. on the other hand, the united states and our allies working hard to convince israel not to do anything like that, and indeed, if iran is to be believed, this is the end of it. the trouble is that netanyahu

has a domestic audience he's got to deal with. principally. and there's going to be a lot of pressure especially on the right for netanyahu to order strikes directly at iran, and it installations that are meaningful. united states and its allies are going to try to talk israel out of doing that, in the hopes that this will be the end of it, at least for the time being. >> carl, talking to martin fletcher in this last hour, was speaking to us from the balcony of his house, and he was, he was telling us how remarkable it was, how effective the iron dome and other defensive capabilities that israel has have been in this more than 100, maybe 200 drones and missiles that have, for the

most part, almost all of them have been successfully defeated, or defendant. what does this tell you about israel's capabilities? >> there is substantial, but we have to remember that the large majority of the airborne vehicles that were sent from iran were drones. which are slow. and relatively easy to intercept. more difficult are missiles. there is very little warning time, getting picked up by radar, less time in order to intercept them, and if there are large numbers of them they can easily overwhelm the iron dome or any other, any of the other systems that israel has. so it would appear that iran attempted, this really sounds silly, but to give israel an opportunity to knock these

things down, they could have sent a very substantial number of missiles, that would've been a different story altogether, and they didn't do that because israel would almost instantly retaliate massively on iranian soil, and iran does not want to get involved in a war with israel of that kind. >> carl, since the seventh of october, but after especially the 15th and the 20th of october coming down, the united states has seen a lot of its assets and interests attacked by iranian, certainly not by the iranian government per se, but through a lot of its intermediaries, in the region and you were speaking about a few of those. what are american assets like right now at this hour around the middle east, and what is the message they are having? >> that's a good question, we've done, we've very noisily told everybody we're moving in

norma's numbers of assets into the region. both to protect israel but principally to protect our own assets. we have a large number of people on the ground, on the ocean, in the air, and our assets are there to protect our interests, and those of our allies. we've made no bones about the fact that if those are attacked, we will retaliate. we've been very measured especially given the attacks, as you said, on our assets, by proxies. i think iran will continue to use proxies. and push the envelope as far as they possibly can, just to the point before the united states is motivated to actually attack, iran itself directly. we can expect continued harassment of international shipping, attacks by the houthis, continued attacks by hezbollah in northern israel,

and that's one reason why we're going to have a large number of assets, land, sea, and air for the region for the seeable future. >> are we in danger, do you think, of an escalation? an escalation that could include the united states? >> we're always in danger, anytime you have people with guns facing people with guns, a slight mistake is all it takes in order to escalate things very, very quickly. no matter what iran on the one hand, and washington on the other would like to see, all it takes is some numbskull at the cutting edge to make a very big mistake, and things can escalate very, very quickly. control is what's required on both sides, without that, there will be a vast escalation and nobody's going to like that.

>> always a pleasure to speak with you, thank you very much for being with us tonight. >> thanks, jose. >> special coverage of the iranian attack on israel continues after a short break. when we come back we'll get the latest from the region. stay tuned. stay tuned. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. come on. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don't get prevnar 20® if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. i don't want to risk ending up in the

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>> want to go right to london, and b.c. foreign correspondent josh letterman is there, following developments for us. give us a perspective from where you are in the world, has there been a reaction by european leaders? i know the uk has been very involved in defending israel by shooting down some of those drones. >> that's right. unanimous response from european nations really has been to condemn this iranian strike and to urge tehran to de- escalate. we know israel has formally requested that the un security council meet tomorrow to discuss and respond to this iranian strike, we are waiting on confirmation exactly when

that meeting might take place, but in the meantime we know that right now, israel's military chief of staff is holding a situational assessment with his military aids. israel will want to be getting to the bottom right now, not only of the full extent of the damage which is an evolving picture, last time we heard from the idf they said that the vast majority of these iranian drones and missiles have been shot down outside of israeli territory. but they're going to want to get a handle on what, if anything, is still in the air right now. is there more potentially coming israel's way? because no one right now is letting their guard down, even though we appear to be, right now, in a period of calm. all the restrictions that have been put in place on israeli civilians, canceling school activities, barring gatherings of more than 1000 people, that's all remaining in place

for the next 36 hours or so, potentially extended beyond that. the neighboring countries and other nations in the region are doing the same. the jordanians keeping their airspace shut, the iranians also canceling flights in and out of the country. the nations in the region don't really know what's going to be flying through their airspace in either direction. one of the things that hasn't gotten as much attention over the last few hours is that when these air spaces are shutdown, it's not just because iran might be launching these missiles, crews and ballistic missiles and drones that israel, the fact that israel has made public the fact they want to shoot these things down, not over their own territory but before they even get into israel. which means, shooting them down over foreign countries. like jordan, like syria, saudi arabia, that's potentially another concern for those nations that could see debris falling in their own territory, could be collateral damage

there. israel sharing the same concern that many of these other countries in the region have about whether this has now concluded or whether there could potentially still be more damage ahead. >> i think it's important also, when other countries are asking, now, that israel tapped down its response to what iran did, iran would point out that what they're doing is in response to israel killing a number of iranian military personnel, high-ranking military personnel. in its diplomatic compound in damascus. >> doesn't it always seem to be the case, jose, in the middle east and the israel conflict in particular, that it always is a matter of how far back you rewind the clock? the israelis would say they don't publicly acknowledge that strike on the compound, in syria. they would say that any strikes they do carry out against

iranian assets are in retaliation for what iran has done to israel in the past, vis- @-vis its proxy groups, hezbollah, and other groups like that. the iranians would say they're doing that in response to israel's previous action against the palestinians, similar to how, with the is really palestinian conflict, the conversations we've had about the hamas october 7th terror attacks, and hamas claims that they were not starting anything, but simply responding to years and years of occupation. so we are not going to find a way to logic our way out of this immediate crisis by trying to put our finger on when, exactly, these tensions started or who was initially the one who started it. the two sides have such diametrically opposed points of view about who is responsible and who is responsible for that escalation. that is why it is so difficult to see the kind of offramp that

the u.s., the european nations and frankly many of these nations within the arab world desperately want to see right now. >> and has there been any read out from the israeli sign on his latest conversation between benjamin netanyahu and president biden? number two, i know that for example the saudi foreign ministry did come out with a statement, just about an hour ago, asking for all sides to tap down the reactions to this. >> i'm checking my phone to see whether we since we've been speaking has been additional reaction from either side about this conversation between the israeli prime minister and president biden. so far, we know the israeli government has put out a photograph of prime minister netanyahu engaged in that call, i know the white house is expecting to put out information at some point as well, but so far we don't have any details about what that is going to look like.

as far as some of these other nations in the region, they're in a tricky position. they have very difficult domestic political situations, many of their own publics do not like israel very much. and want to see a forceful response in support of those who are pushing back against israel. at the same time, these countries like saudi arabia need to maintain close relationships with the u.s. government, saudi arabia has been engaged for a couple years, now, in these behind-the- scenes talks to whether normalize relations with israel, try to move past that conflict and actually establish economic relationships, there. so, the crosscurrents, here, make it almost impossible for any of these countries to really act in the way that they might want to, to tamp down these tensions, because there are so many competing interests in each one of these countries is such a tinderbox right now. >> it is, and when you look at

saudi arabia who has had experience with the problems with the houthis and yemen, and the border, and the fact that they were, it seems, close to at least considering the possibility of recognizing some aspect of israel, which would be certainly a massively important change, that possibility was at least mitigated somewhat by the seventh of october massacre. but, is there, josh, anything coming out of jordan that apparently has actually played a part in knocking down some of these drones? >> we don't know, we don't have any indication that the jordan needs military, the jordanian military has shot any of these down. we know that some of these drones and projectiles from iran have been shot down over jordan.

basically in jordanian airspace. presumably, that was done with at least the tacit acceptance of jordan. we haven't seen jordan come out and say, how dare the u.s. or israel shoot down these, invade our airspace by shooting these things down. in some ways, the silence on that front, from jordan, speaks volumes. when it comes to saudi arabia, what an interesting case, there. it was not that long ago that saudi arabia and iran had one of the biggest enmities in the world. they were archenemies, and saudi arabia really was leading the pushback against iran, globally. now we've started to see that shift a little bit, the saudi's and the iranians have opened embassies in each other's countries, they have had high- level visits, they have started to warm relations, they won't be best friends anytime soon, but the dynamics have shifted

so quickly in the middle east that it is difficult to know at any one point in time how any of these countries is going to react. >> it's so important, i'm so glad you're mentioning all of this. nothing happens in a vacuum except sometimes vacuums cause things to happen. and it's interesting to look at it from that perspective. josh, i thank you, we'll keep close in contact with you, because this is a continuing story throughout the evening. also, this just in, reuters is reportedly reporting that the community council is set to meet tomorrow, sunday, after this israeli request that the council condemn iran's attack on israel, and designate the iranian revolutionary guard corps a terrorist organization. we'll have much more in a moment. coming up, reaction from capitol hill, congressman is going to be with me, to talk about this and a lot more. stay with us. with us. good to go off the grid.

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msnbc welcome back to breaking news coverage of the developments in the middle east, iran's attacks on israel are sparking reaction on capitol hill. congressman o'connor is a member of the house armed services committee. congressman, great seeing you. i always appreciate your time, thank you for being with us. what is your message tonight to iran, israel, and all of us? >> first, i strongly and unequivocally condemn iran's attack on israeli soil. is a violation of international law, it's unnecessarily escalate tory, i am heartened that so far, from your excellent reporting, it looks like many of the missiles and drones have been intercepted. i am praying for the families and people in israel, hopefully there are no casualties and that people have not gotten

hurt. and i'm proud of our military, that, again, reports suggest were able to intercept some of these drones and missiles. we, of course, stand with our ally, israel, in condemning these attacks on their homeland. >> congressman, how do things, how does one avoid things from continuing to escalate? >> jose, as usual you ask the right question, this is a time where i'm glad we have president biden in the oval office, because we need to de- escalate and avoid a wider war, and my guess is that the president is making it very clear to iran that they cannot be thinking of expanding in any way these strikes or attacks, that these were totally unacceptable.

my guess is that the president is counseling some restraint that israel doesn't take action, but leads to a further regional war. the united states, certainly, has zero appetite of getting involved in a middle east war, or a war with iran, president biden has made that clear. this is a time for his diplomacy and statesmanship to try to avoid the situation from becoming a regional war. >> it was unusual, to say the least that the united states would speak directly with iran. they did so after the israeli attack at the iranian mission in damascus, killing high- ranking iranian military members. there has been some unfreezing of iranian assets just in the last couple of months by the united states, and the

international community. do you suggest that the united states should amplify its conversations with iran, or is this something that cannot be dealt with, through diplomacy. >> i think we need to have a diplomatic channel open with iran, precisely to make sure that they do not escalate further, in something that gets us into a war with iran, or the gets the region into a war. i believe the president as team jake sullivan who are extraordinarily competent, are engaged in that diplomacy, or william burns would be engaged in the diplomacy. to make it clear that there should not be any expansion. what i'll tell you is there responsible, by candidly, republican colleagues who have gone on twitter and called for

the united states to engage in retaliatory strikes against iran. but let me tell you, there is no appetite in the united states to get into another war in the middle east. we should not make that mistake, we need to figure out how we condemn unequivocally these attacks, and how we also avoid an escalation in the region. >> with the congress, the house of representatives responsibility, as far as finances and budgets are concerned, i understand i was looking through acts that steve scalise said he hoped that the house of her presented lives would as early as next week deal with the issue of more aid to israel. the issue of aid to israel, aid to ukraine, aid to taiwan has been a long held issue, is there anything that the house of representatives could or should be doing in immediate

manner regarding this issue? >> some clean bills coming to the house, the speaker has held up ukraine, for months, that is a total tragedy. i would vote for ukraine aid, 200 70 every democrat would vote for ukraine aid. we need a vote on that. when it comes to aid to israel, i support the 84 defensive equipment, for the iron dome, for other equipment that would help them prevent attacks or missiles coming into israel. what i do not support and what some of my colleagues have concerns about, including speaker pelosi, is giving offensive weapons to israel, the new york times had an editorial also expressing concern at a time where netanyahu, let us not forget, has prosecuted a war in gaza where people are facing famine, where women and children have died, i do not believe that the

united states should be giving offensive weapons to netanyahu when he continues to defy the president on rother, so can we get a clean ukraine aid package? i would be a yes. can we get a package for defensive weapons to israel? i would be a yes. but let's not lump in offensive weapons, which would give at least 56 democrats signed a letter to the president. >> congressman, focusing now on what has been going on in gaza, we're in the seventh month since the seventh of october, massacre, more than 1200 men, women, and children massacred in israel. more than 100 israelis and some americans remain in the hands of hamas, in gaza. the prime minister of israel has announced that he has already decided when the invasion of profit will occur. it doesn't appear to be a

matter of if but, of when, but rather if, so, what is it that you think the israelis need to do, now? >> thank you for bringing up the hostages. i just had the parents of a young man in my office today two days ago, in his early 20s, he's a peacemaker. he was taken by hamas as a hostage. and just a terrible tragedy, because this is a young man who was working with palestinians, with muslims, and we need to demand the release of those hostages. we also need a permanent cease- fire. too many people have died in gaza, the bombing of netanyahu has been, as president biden said, indiscriminate. i have been very clear, for months, saying we need a permanent cease-fire and a release of the hostages.

and we should make it clear to netanyahu that he cannot defy the president of the united states, and our military and going to rother at a time where you already have, according to our government, famine starting in gaza, there is no way to get humanitarian aid into 2 million people if bombs are falling at the same time. you have the incredibly unjustified and tragic killing of seven world kitchen aid workers, so we need to make it clear that we want a permanent cease-fire, release of the hostages, and make it very clear that we won't continue to give offensive weapons to netanyahu if he defies the president of the united states. >> do you think that the leader of the senate, senate majority leader chuck schumer said a couple of weeks ago where essentially he was saying that it was time for israel to change its government.

is that something that you would like to agree with? >> it's for israel to decide who they will elect. what i will say is that netanyahu has conducted this war, in a way that has been indiscriminate with the bombings of hospitals and refugee camps. it has been galling to see him defy the president, to defy our defense secretary, even though the president, the defense secretary stood so passionately with israel after the horrific october 7th attacks. so, i believe that at this point, we also need a clear message. his own defense secretary was saying that a date hasn't been set with rafah, but allies don't treat each other the way netanyahu has treated the united states. and certainly there is a

growing concern on capitol hill of giving offensive weapons to netanyahu specifically, when he has not shown sufficient concern for the innocent in gaza. >> always appreciate your voice, on a night like this, more especially. i thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for your coverage. msnbc the biden administration is closely monitoring the events out of israel tonight. the latest response, next. stay tuned on msnbc. on msnbc. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs.

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46 past the hour, following the latest from the middle east, some top u.s. officials tell nbc they fear israel will retaliate too quickly for today's strikes from iran. they say prime minister netanyahu has not been acting strategically, and worry israel could respond against iran without considering potential fallout to that. i want to bring an nbc news national security global affairs reporter, dan delusive. what's fueling these u.s. concerns about escalations from israel? >> israel crossed into new territory when it launched these strikes in damascus that killed those generals earlier this month, and there was another strike that people might have forgotten in december as well. before that, israel had not conducted operations like that that openly, and that brazenly.

so, iran saw that as crossing some kind of a line. of course, now you see these drones and missiles that were fired at israel, and the question is for example, did they consider, for example, the impact on hostage negotiations? what are the prospects for negotiating, a temporary cease- fire with hamas and gaza after these incidents? that's one example. a lot of u.s. officials have been questioned whether prime minister netanyahu has a strategic division, he always seems to move in this very short-term fashion. and this is a moment where they're hoping there will be some restraint, and some prudence, and that israel will not take drastic action that could escalate this conflict

further. they have managed to fend off with the help of the u.s. and others a lot of these drones and missiles, it appears most of them were knocked out, there was not severe damage. you don't have massive civilian casualties, as far as we know. so it is possible that israel could conclude it's not worth dramatically escalating. but we'll have to see how they respond. >> the president of the united states spoke with netanyahu, a short time ago, that conversation wrapped up, the president had been making phone calls to leaders throughout the region and throughout the world, i'm sure. the president has been more publicly critical of netanyahu since that is really strike in damascus. where does the biden netanyahu relationship stand now? >> it has obviously been strained, on the one hand, biden received a lot of credit and praise in israel for how he responded to the hamas attack

of october 7th. that he quickly, that the u.s. would be standing with israel, as a response to the hamas attack, but over time, of course, that operation in gaza, that offensive in gaza has taken such a huge toll on civilians, has been such a tremendous humanitarian crisis, they are, on the verge of famine, according to u.n. and other officials. he then became more critical, saying the way israel was conducting that offensive was a problem, there are simply too many civilians dying, and i think biden and his aides felt that israel has not sufficiently taken the u.s. view and that frankly many other countries views into account. now, he was very quick to say that the u.s. was behind israel after this iranian attack, the

u.s. helped shoot down these drones and missiles. the white house is trying to make a distinction between what they see as constructive criticism of israel over how is operating in gaza versus helping defend israel when it's coming under aerial attack from iran. >> the state of israel has asked united nations security council, we are being told that they are expecting to meet tomorrow. is this something that could help in some way, do you think? >> i think israel will want to make a point. this is about making your diplomatic stance. saying, look, this was an unreasonable outrageous attack that will be israel's message, they will want to try to galvanize international support, after having come under so much criticism, of

those tactics in gaza. i think there's another point that's interesting, which is iran also was trying to send a message that they can't be ignored. that they are a force to be reckoned with, and that they cannot be simply steamrolled, and they've tried to cultivate relations with china, with other governments, with russia, as we know, strong relationship with russia, supplying drones to russia with their war in ukraine. this was their way to see the world, and to israel, you can't ignore us. we have this serious weaponry and we can inflict damage on you, and they made israel wait for a while, they purposefully signaled this is coming, and they made israel anxiously wait for this. this is them trying to flex their muscles. >> thank you so very much, our special coverage of the iranian attacks on israel continues, after a quick break. stay with us. ael continues, after a quick break. stay with us.

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