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saturday, april 13th, and you are watching "velshi" on msnbc. i am filling in for my friend ali velshi. in two days the country will witness something that literally never happened before the first criminal trial of a former president of the united face of america. this coming monday, it is the beginning of donald trump's hush money trial. it may also be the only case it goes to court before election day. the man who was widely expected to be the star witness in the trial michael cohen sat down exclusively with the morning cast of my colleagues from the weekend and he had this to say about how we should be thinking about the case. >> the prosecutors are going to put forth their case and i'm just the narrator and rest assured, alvin bragg and the

prosecutor a team over at the district attorney of new york's office would not have brought this case unless they thought they were going to be successful. >> so far, trumpet his legal team have been pretty successful in their delight. there is no trial set yet in fulton county, georgia in the classified documents case in florida will likely be pushed back. the interference case in d.c. is indefinitely on pause until the supreme court weighs in on the question of presidential immunity. at this criminal case in new york has also been delayed. it was originally scheduled start on march 25th but that was pushed back after a new batch of documents was turned over late in discovery. even still, the former president is not done yet. in the past week donald trump tried and failed three separate times to force the courts to further delay his trial. the last ditch effort, his

argues for -- argued for a change of venue. they also filed a lawsuit challenging some of the judge's ruling's. for all the complaining that donald trump does about a two-tier justice system, what he fails to acknowledge is he is on the top tier on the one who is benefiting from it. everything we've seen about the former president has been able to manipulate the legal system and a function of his own privilege and access to different legal maneuvers that it affords him. take for example his last- minute mary all trying to thwart the trial. these were only possible because he had the money and power to do it. anyone else who didn't have the resources would have had to face her day in court already and never would have been able to delay things trump has. the former president has been millions to get his small army of expensive lawyers to fire -- file whatever cases no matter how was just to stall the cases

against him. that is not a strategy that an average defendant can afford. meanwhile, he is doing it with the help of his campaign donors ' money. eye: raise that point this morning. take a listen. >> let me assure you and all the viewers that if it was you in this specific case, we will call it the campaign-finance violation case as opposed to the hush money case, no the president and star has a better television ring. you would be already charged, the case would have already taken place, and you would be incarcerated. if we really believe that we are supposed to be a country where the all law applies equally to everyone, which i think we all acknowledge it doesn't, we are not even a two- tier system of justice. there are three tiers. for all

of us, the average pupil than those in power and that donald trump who can skirt the law whenever he wants and however he wants. >> even though the trial is right around the corner, trump may still have two more tricks up his sleeve to try and derail the case. let's talk about it. joining me now are two of my favorites. paul butler, a legal analyst and former prosecutor, and barbara mcquade, also a legal analyst and a former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan and author of the amazing but, attack from within. how this information is sabotaging america. i want to ask you the million- dollar question. we are all former prosecutors and we all bid with the experience of getting to trial and ready to go and something happens where it doesn't go on the date planned. everyone wants to know, is this actually going to go on monday?

do you think jury selection will actually start? will we see the beginning of the first trial of the former president of the united states of america? >> on monday, something historical happened. it will be the first day and donald trump's life that he is beginning to be brought to judgment in a criminal case for his own alleged corruption. as you noted, his lawyers have filed nine different emotions to delay the trial. they are trying to get around the law that they can't appeal after the trial that is what article 78 motion was about. the reason for that is that trump's defense is delayed. -- is delayed. when this case is heard he loses all the time. e. jean carroll, letitia james

beat him and the civil fraud trial. alvin bragg beat him in the criminal conviction of the trump organization. the new york attorney general took down his fake university and his fake charity. so, monday, april 5th, 2024, will be the worst day of trump's public life because it is the first time he is personally being brought to judgment in a criminal court. >> barbara, i am taking my glasses off and having some lawyer talk. we are all former trial attorneys and prosecutors. let's talk inside baseball. we've all tried cases before and cases that i've had somewhat of a very public atmosphere or press cases, if you will. that's what we call them. donald trump has a ridiculous, almost super bowl public

platform with respect to the amount the people he can reach and the narrative he can sell. if you are trying this case as the prosecutor, how do you keep the public environment, the circus-like atmosphere, from interfering with how you go about doing your work. >> it's an important point. i remember being a prosecutor and cases that were getting a lot of press attention and one of the things we said is we have to tune out the noise. we have to focus on the case but you also want to join to tune out the noise. one of the things that the judge has decided to do that i think will be important is keeping the jury anonymous to the public. the lawyers and court will know who they are but in terms of public knowledge, it will be juror number 17 in juror number 72. i think that will help them focus. i also think jury selection is an important part of this case.

there is a questionnaire with 42 questions, a lot about what people have heard or read coming into this trial. everyone has heard of president trump -- donald trump, but if they are not news junkies like us, if they have not read some of these tell-all books, if they are not 24/7 viewers of fox news, chances are there are people who can set aside what they may know about donald trump and decide the case based on the fact that the here in the trial. that is what i am hoping for. >> i want to follow-up. number one, you talked about having prosecuted cases that have gotten a lot of attention. you're talking now about the former president who literally has put out a notion that in 72 hours, this is what he tweeted yesterday on truth social, all is going to break loose. this is not just a matter of a circus or someone who is calling attention to what could

be a very monumental trial. we have nypd, secret service and new york court officers all trying to gear up and beat up security around this. at what point if any do you as a prosecutor say we need some additional protection because this is getting out of hand? or do you just leave that to the judge and focus on what you are trying to prove the prosecutor? >> i think it is the court's job to provide adequate security. especially the jurors. imagine you are someone who received this jury summons and you shop at the courthouse and it is a madhouse. i think the security will have to have a perimeter around the building and a place where they check i.d.s and letting people in so someone is not harassed,

and just following and fulfilling their duty as a citizen. you have to make sure those people will not get yelled at, spat upon, or impeded in any way to get into the courthouse. that is the challenge. people have a right to protest and they have a right to express the views but they don't have a right to interfere with the coming and goings of the courthouse. i am confident that the security dealing with this has dealt with situations before. probably not of this magnitude, but they can keep protesters apart from those people who need to access the court to do the business of court. >> barbara alluded to this and i want to have some fun with both of you. i will ask you both the same question. we will not have cameras inside the courtroom but we know jury selection is supposed to start monday. for those of us not familiar, jury selection is probably one of the most important and you can do as a trial attorney.

i want to hear from you and from barb being the super lawyers that you are, who is your ideal juror if you are trying to convict donald trump and if you're trying to acquit donald trump? who is your ideal juror? give me the profile if you will of your ideal juror for conviction if you are prosecuting. >> is such a great question because the judge is taking every step to ensure an object of jury and giving both the prosecutors and the defense attorneys extra time to ask a whole bunch of questions and as you acknowledge, he is the only person in the room who wants an objective juror for prosecutors when someone who is likely to convict donald trump. they want someone who is not afraid to sit in judgment and they don't want someone who is trying to get on the jury just to be on the jury. they want someone who will

consider the evidence in this case. the best evidence will be documents, documents don't lie. they want someone to look at those records that alvin bragg says donald trump order to be falsified as legal payments to cover up his relationship with stormy daniels. to prevent it from becoming public. when i was a prosecutor, we did not want people who are scientific we were concerned they would have too high a standard of proof. we didn't want religious people because we thought they might be concerned about being sitting in judgment of someone. he's got a good jury pool in manhattan, almost everybody in manhattan voted for biden but that does not mean they will use their politics to convict donald trump but it does mean they will not give him the benefit of the doubt because he is a former president. >> barbara, who is your ideal

juror here? if you are the defense. >> the real maga entity is will be -- doesn't have a 9-5 -- someone more likely to be skeptical of institutions and law enforcement so those are the people i might be looking for. >> there you have it from two of the best in the butt comes up business. thank you for getting us started coming up on "velshi," split screen politics vice president kamala harris is campaigning in arizona days after the date court passed a antiabortion law. while house speaker mike johnson headed down to mar-a-lago to kiss her and help donald set --

tomorrow i will be joined by the democratic governor of arizona katie hobbs. she says she will do everything in her power to ensure women get the healthcare they need. she will be joining me tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on "velshi." stay tuned. we'll be back right after a short break. [ cellphone ringing ] phone call from the boss? sorry. outdoor time is me time. i hear that. that's why we protect all your vehicles here.

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humanitarian aid trucks are being allowed to enter northern gaza but the united nations and other eight officials as well as relief workers inside gaza tight little has actually changed on the ground. yesterday, the u.n. reported to mission to northern gaza were blocked by israeli authorities. joining me now is the senior diplomatic correspondent at huff post. thank you for being with me this morning. israel says it is allowing a boost of a into gaza. the u.n. and others say otherwise. what is the reality on the ground? where is the aid? >> what we need to understand is that israel is not allowing distribution of aid to take place. while they are talking about an increase in terms of the amount of supplies, where are they going? are they going to people who needed? are there aid workers distributing a? repeatedly has seen israel attack actual aid

workers and what is called a civilian defense. the police and internal security that remains within gaza. that is essential to avoid issues like what we saw in what is called the flower massacre. there was such a rush for a because people are so desperate. in reality, israel is still controlling so much of the land crossings into gaza. it controls so much of the territory. they opened one of the crossings but eight officials is not open. so you are seeing ad hoc measures. they keep telling us that is not enough and now that we are in damning, we are in a situation that multiplies itself. people in famine, you can't just be them calories and say,

you are going to be okay. it's a medical crisis where you need professionals and why israel can say they are letting more supplies in, they are not letting a lot of humanitarian experts, workers, eight people into gaza yet. >> samantha power is the highest ranking u.s. official to say that a famine is under way in northern gaza. can you explain for us the significance of this statement? >> absolutely. power made that comment and it was a story i broke last week about an internal assessment that was made. her agency is supposed to be the gold standard for the u.s. government tracking and her agency has warned the white house that we are in a famine. they told the white house, they told embassies, but they were not letting it out publicly. now the power -- now the power

has been pressed on it, the u.s. cannot back away from it knowing what it is enabling. and has several implications. it happened -- it has implications for both president joe biden's policy and what he has allowed on his watch. and also legal implications. someone with a legal background, right now, israel is on trial at the international court of justice for genocide. that court has said we heatedly , israel, you need to let in more humanitarian aid. even now there top ally is saying it is our assessment that this is not just a humanitarian crisis that this is a famine. really important thing to remember is they said this is,

quote, unprecedented in modern history. what that means is the decline for the people in gaza is so rapid we don't know how bad this can get. >> that was akbar shahid ahmed. thank you for that important context with this ongoing story. coming up next, congressman jim clyburn of -- is joining me to talk politics but he played a pivotal role in getting joe biden basically the nomination and ultimately towards the finish line in last election. we will talk about what has changed since then including the biggest threat to biden and his coalition and more than that after the break on "velshi." c odt.

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was just the opening act, just the opening act of a larger strategy to take women's rights and freedoms. we all must understand who is the blame. former president donald trump did this. donald trump is the architect of this healthcare crisis. >> that was vice president kamala harris at a campaign event in tucson, arizona, yesterday. she met with doctors and healthcare professionals who were impacted by the law that was pat -- she delivered a fiery speech last night and seems quite comfortable taking up the fight for abortion rights as part of her and president joe biden's re- election campaign. last month she became the first vice president to visit an

abortion clinic in st. paul, minnesota. across the country, republican house speaker mike johnson made the traditional gop pilgrimage to former president donald trump's resort in florida friday afternoon. the meeting comes as johnson assessing threats to his job from some in the same right flank that alta kevin mccarthy six months ago. and as the arizona ruling has forced republicans into another upper spot, abortion and reproductive rights. mike johnson and donald trump at their heads together and came up with a plan that could strike everyone from their job troubles and get their policy embarrassment and the upcoming historic terminal trial. for his part, speaker johnson let his name and reputation to trump's debunked lies about and promising to take up a bill to crack down on noncitizen voting which, of course, we all know is already illegal.

in return, donald trump appeared alongside the embattled house speaker and voiced his support in a move designed to hold off the mutiny from the trump right. joining me now is my friend, my brother, james clyburn, congressman representing south carolina. how are you today? >> i am very well. thank you for having me. in the democrats have voted with republicans in recent weeks. helping speaker johnson pass a bunch of different bills. how do you feel about yesterday pope of the event with trump and johnson at mar-a-lago and how it affects the ability for democrats to continue to work with the speaker? >> it was a simple presentation on the part of those two element. but i don't think that will have a whole lot of impact on what hakeem jeffries and the leadership of the democratic party will be about we will

always put this country over any candidate. and it seems as if the speaker is putting candidate trump over the country of these united states. and we will never do that. we ran on putting people over politics and we will continue to do that. when it comes to preserving this democracy, moving it forward to benefit the american people, we will set aside the politics and not worry about this press conference full of that information, misinformation, disinformation just outright lies and that is what they were doing. when you have 20 years of elections in this country and find out in less than four

dozen people voted illegally, we don't know exactly why they voted illegally, i don't know if they thought they were legal, but we are talking about less than 00001%. that to me is what the press conference was all about. trying to create something out of nothing but that will not and -- deter us from doing what is necessary for the american people will. >> you mentioned elections. let's talk about that. in order to be successful we know that president joe biden will need the full support of black voters and back in january, this is what you said. >> how worried are you about black voters showing up for president joe biden in november? >> i am not worried. i am very concerned. >> then you were worried but you were very concerned.

are you still not worried? are you still concerned? give me an update. where do you stand on that now? >> i am still concerned. i have been around this business long enough to know that misinformation, i think all of us know that. we do know that we just had recent testimony in the house with the republican chair of the committee say that the russians are carrying forward misinformation and disinformation over social media in such a way that it concerns the republican leadership. decisions can be made based upon false information. that is what concerns me. i want the american voter to be well informed. blacks and whites. to know the answer to the three were question. who did this?

who? what led to january 6th and who did that led -- who did what was causing us not to be able to pass a bipartisan order bill? there were enough votes to pass the intelligence legislation which donald trump tweeted against. so, we are going to spend the next few months answering that one question. who did this? when it comes to joe biden, we will be asking, who stood up and eliminated student debt? who? who got this economy back on track? who passed the comprehensive

bipartisan infrastructure bill? who got us safer communities? and we just had a bill that the president for gun safety. that is what we are going to be asking throughout this campaign. who did this? and we will lay out the litany. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you one last question. there is a new wall street journal poll that is suggesting that in seven different swing state that the numbers of black voters who joe biden need to turn up is slipping. it is slipping in a way that is not going to be good for him. what do you think the campaign needs to do in order to not only stabilize but reverse this trend? >> were going to have to go to the streets. we cannot rely on the media to do this. i've been saying this for a

long time now and i still believe it strongly. this is going to be in hand-to- hand combat. we got to take to the streets and go to these groups and go out to the african american community and not rely on social media because so much of the information is tainted. it is inserted by foreign operatives who are trying to disrupt this democracy. so they have a door straight to the people. >> representative james clyburn of south carolina proving once again that -- tomorrow morning, don't miss my conversation with arizona governor katie hobbs. i will ask her about her plans to fight back after the arizona supreme court ruled this week that an antiabortion law from the civil war era is somehow enforceable today. that's coming up tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. i will have more "velshi" right

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welcome back. you are watching "velshi" on msnbc . america's history of racism is long, sorted and in many ways violent. you know it and i know it and we all know it. from slavery to reconstruction to james crow in segregation, it will forever be marked by the state of oppression and subjugation of blacks brought here against our will. >> thank god we still have a majority. >> we will not be coerced into hiring any colored person regardless of his qualifications >> i think there's nothing wrong with the school that is

100% . negro. >> when a could -- that he can live like the man, then we will accept them. >> i draw the line in the dirt and crossed it before the feet of tyranny and i face segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever. >> as you just saw, and the not so distant past, racism was very much so in-your-face. it was hardly any need to question whether someone was discriminating against a black person due to the color of their skin. they just said it. but as time evolved, how was the -- so has the notion of racism in america.

while that might leave some optimistic concluding that because of the strain of overt racism, we have seen it is no longer acceptable and somehow it means racism itself has disappeared. unfortunately, we all know better. it hasn't disappeared and just change with the times. there is a new racism in america. folks who fear racial accuracy and black history of black suffering and fear acknowledging black resilience and black perseverance and black power , folks who fear black representation and ultimately fear any of their real or perceived power, their express racism has taken on a different tone. they don't use racial epithets now. now -- and expose them as social pariahs. instead of that, and set up overt racial offenses, they now operate in the margins.

the margins of colorblindness claiming racial neutrality all while speaking to others using code words. they don't have to use the n word. they can about terms like crt, dei, woke. or affirmative action. they don't need to talk explicitly about preserving white power and saving systems that prioritize the white experience and actively seek to oppress if not altogether a race the experience of others. instead, attacks him racial equity have little to do with yesterday's curbside victory and have become far more sophisticated and covert. the battle now exists within those widened colorblind and racially neutral margins. by the way, anytime someone insists upon pointing out how colorblind or racially neutral their stance is on something, take it from a civil rights attorney. you can almost assuredly that that they are, in fact, not

intending to be colorblind or racially neutral at all. in the last few decades, we have made attempts to address our racist past. institutions and companies began seeing the value and device -- diversify the workforce and moving towards a more equitable representation. but surprisingly -- unsurprisingly, the pendulum swings back. >> to vigorously enforce the supreme court ruling i will eliminate all diversity, equity, and inclusion programs across entire hetero government. >> we also have to protect people, protect our kids from some very pernicious ideologies that are trying to be forced upon them all across the country. earlier this year, i directed the florida department of education to prohibit critical race theory and our schools.

-- in our schools. >> there you have it. that's not an idle threat but more like a promise or even a pledge of sorts. project 2025 has what is likely trump's policy blueprint which says in its master document called the mandate for leadership, advancing the interests of certain segments of american society comes at the expense of other americans and in nearly all cases violates lung sending federal law. what? trump took what were fairly modest diversity, equity, and include -- inclusion plan and labeled them sinister saying that racial equity efforts himself were racist but he is leading a band of folks too smart to be caught being overly racist but unable to resist their own bigotry. together they are weaponizing equity in this country and turning the names of the very programs meant to foster diversity in education into

racist code words. anti-wilkins, anti-dei movement are both distortions and mischaracterizations of efforts to write historical wrongs. they are being framed instead as discrimination against people. -- white people. reverse racism is not a thing. next, i am joined by -- you are watching "velshi" on msnbc . stay tuned. 't i know wayfair had vanities in tile? [ gasps ] this. wow! do you have any ottomans without legs. sure. you'll flip for the poof cart. in the wayborhood, there's a place for all of us. ♪ wayfair. every style. every home. ♪

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joining me now is the editor at large for as well as a democratic strategist and political analyst. i want to start with you. you are someone who is on across the country and had debate with people who have been crusading against dei. and its efforts. can you talk about how this figures into the conversation about race in america and the coating and language i was talking about. >> absolutely. your opening was spot on. in places like florida, one of the things that is the most lately here is your opening

what is considered concepts that would have been eliminated in schools across the state not only in florida but other places as well. you are spot on. when we talk about what used to be blatant and outward language of racism, individuals have decided they can code their language to a certain extent. what we've seen in the anti-dei movement is a reframing of what dei was supposed to do and it mission to the benefits associated with it it is being used as a term that literally is a euphemism for the n-word. we saw that with the aftermath of the downfall of the bridge in baltimore. where the mayor was called the dei mayor. one who was duly elected and represented of a city of over 60% african american. what we are seeing now with this push against dei is the elimination of things that benefit black people are black people are using to develop equity across this country. we just saw yesterday duke university eliminate the black

scholarship. more universities will follow along that path we are seeing time and again the america first pack. it is literally a part of the trump era administration that has come out to fight equity. that is their mission. they have lawyers across the country that are working with conservative attorneys general. to further eliminate the already very small amount of black doctors and lawyers we have in this country. and they do not care about equity. they made that a standing point and are fighting against many of the funding organizations are the organizations that are being utilized by nonprofit to help to build towards equity. they are trying to cut them off at their legs as well. we have to be strategic in how we fight against this because they are no longer after doing

-- but what they are doing is codified and pushing to codify large sections across the country. >> i want to talk about black women because they represent the intersection between sex, gender, and race. it seems like donald trump and his rhetoric has normalized these attacks were it had become commonplace and acceptable to really come up black women in a very unique and particular way. if you look at his attacks on letitia james and fani willis, these are two black women that he has allowed for this discussion in the nation to just get taken off the hinges. can you talk about the significance of that? >> sure. let me start by saying, your opening was spot on. the new racism is the old racism in america. we know that republicans led by former president donald trump have gone again and again to this political playbook because it does work on a certain

segment of those voters. this is not anything new for former president donald trump who went after several black women in congress. whether we are talking about congresswoman maxine waters or we are talking about the vice president. he has gone after her and probably gone after the district attorney's and the attorneys general who are seeking to hold him accountable. but, targeting black people, particularly black women while he is allegedly seeking to seek support of black voters in this moment, it's really interesting. targeting shay moss and ruby freeman for example. making them the face of the big lie after the election and demonizing them. i mean, personal harm.

they faced death threats and more as a result of the allegations. that was very real and we are seeing that other in the republican party seeking to embrace the former president are following a similar playbook. just look at the lieutenant governor in north carolina. we have a story on our site talking about how they are targeting that. i want to stay with the same up black women for a second because in 2024, there are still a number of americans who either claim not to understand this conversation about race or just willfully turning a blind eye to it. i want to put it in terms that everybody can understand. ameshia , we just thought last week, dawn staley and the gamecocks win the national championship in basketball. we saw them defeat a team from

the university of iowa with the star caitlin clark and we saw the university of iowa team on its route to play in the championship beat the lsu tigers which was led by angel reese. throughout the entire tournament in terms of the way the media talk about dawn staley and how they talked about injuries versus how they talked about caitlin clark and the university of iowa, we saw a starkly different contrast can you break down for example how the notion of new racism if you will, and coated language plays a role on how that conversation takes place at influences people's processing. >> absolutely. i want to say that everything that errin that is spot on. when we look at the championship, we have to look through the lens that america forces us to look at it through. race. they have been rating angel reese for a long time she has

been taken apart for looks, for having the confidence to shop on court and play strongly and set records but she was also sexualized which we know as black women that this is something that happens regularly. like women and girls are never seen as people that should be protected but people who should be thrown down and people that don't deserve that protection and also codified by white rates. we have seen them be attacked regardless of their performance or strength or the records they are breaking and achievements they are making. that particular game was interesting because we saw the caitlin clark was someone who was upheld by the media in an angelic type form. white women are often upheld at a level of grace or a level of the epitome of what we all should be. they needed to have viewers of -- not to have a white

champion of a sport that is considered to be black. we saw that elevated entirely throughout the championship series. it was frustrating to watch online because -- we saw the negativity that came swiftly despite the fact that she has been humble, gracious this entire time. someone who has quoted the bible and uplifted the teams that she has defeated. someone who is a coach that the rest of, no matter who you are, should follow her in her stances here, but we saw this woman be attacked. it doesn't matter how strong you are or committed you are or how much you are giving leverett to the teams you defeated, she is still attacked. i don't think they can wind for losing because white america is always ready to target us no matter what we do or how successful we are. that championship was just another example of the fact that black women through out his

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