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welcome back to the weekend. just 48 hours, donald trump's first criminal trial will officially begin as jury

selection gets underway at a manhattan courtroom. we call this the hush money trail. it should be called the 2016 election interference case because trump is accused of falsifying business records to cover up his alleged affair with stormy daniels, which was about to come out weeks before the election. last night, trump says he plans to testify, this after four failed attempts to delay the trial over the last week. joining us now was one of the potential star witnesses in this case, donald trump's former personal attorney, michael cohen. he is the host of the podcast "mea culpa," also the author of "revenge, how donald trump reprises the department of justice against his critics." >> nice and cozy table here. >> yes indeed. >> i call it cozy. >> our colleague lisa rubin has described the role that you are likely to play in this file as a witness but more of a narrator, more of a tour guide

with other people stepping in, documents that will support what you are saying. how do you see your role in this upcoming trial question >> the same way as lisa. just because the media wants to put, what to for training as a key witness, i don't care what they call me. i am the narrator of the story. the narrator to the story that is going to be explaining the documentary evidence as well as the corroborating testimony. one of the things donald and his legal team are trying to do is every day is to discredit me. they think that that is a winning strategy for getting and overturn of whatever conviction a jury may or may not determine. that is not the way you run a trial. have your own defense. the defense is not to attack the witness but that is what they think is going to be the successful result for them. >> let's pick up on that attacking the witness because it is part of the overarching narrative. i've made this point, as many have, that a lot of this is to frame a witness like yourself,

michael, as not credible because, okay, you got in trouble for lying before so you are going to be lying now. but, we know that that is not the case because you have been judged by the court to be credible in this case. how do you think does that square with the jury? it doesn't matter what any of us at the table or outside with our audience thinks about you and your credibility, it is one of the 12 people who will be listening as well as the alternatives, the alternates about you as a witness as you narrate the story, how do you position yourself relative to that conversation ? >> i position myself as a witness who is not excited. i want to be clear about that. i'm not excited. i am a subpoenaed nonparty witness. somewhere along the line, the narrative by the media about michael cohen's credibility, a buddy of mine sent me this thing, which was the a bubble

of 1000 lies is popped by one truth. i don't care how the media wants to portray me, whatever happened in the past, whatever i had owned and the things that i claim i shouldn't have been charged with is irrelevant in this case. the prosecutors are going to put forth their case. as lisa was saying, i'm just of the narrator. and, rest assured, alvin bragg and the prosecutorial team over at the district attorney of new york's office would not have brought this case unless they thought they were going to be successful. >> trompe wants to put you on trial. >> someone has to inform donald that he is the defendant in this case. i sat in his seat a couple years back. i know what it's like. i wish there was somebody that i could have gone ahead and

blamed for everything. it is always somebody else's fault when it comes to donald trump. never his, it is always somebody else's fault. another one on trial, he is. >> you told politico commuted a question and answer that came out on friday and you talked about how you plan to defend yourself in this trial, as you are because you know they are going to attack you in cross examination. he also said that people should prepare to be surprised. you said i wish that when people state that relate to congress, you do me the courtesy of finishing the sentence, that you did that for the benefit of donald trump. all people know is the headlines and this is much more than the headlines. i went back and i read the statement of facts and the indictment way back when when alvin bragg first barreled onto our radar here and he noted in this that ami admitted in a nonprosecution agreement they made a payment to the

source of the story to ensure the source did not publicize damaging allegations about the defendant before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election. is that part of what you mean when we are going to be surprised? >> i'm so sorry it took so much time to beat the documents but you are right, i can't answer that. i don't want to risk the prosecutors, the trial and their evidence. >> this was in the public document. we haven't heard a lot. >> we have not. let's allow the prosecutors to do what they need to do because this is a bigger than michael cohen, it's bigger than symone where i would love to answer everybody's questions because, like i said, i think there are going to be quite a few surprises that come out. when we were talking about a second ago, you know, i would appreciate if people would finish the sentence, what is the sentence? we are talking about my lie to

congress. donald likes to call it perjury. it is not perjury, and never played to perjury. >> you fill in it is for the benefit of donald trump. >> it is also what the lie was. the number of times i claimed to have spoken to donald about the failed trompe power moscow real estate project. i stated before the senate select committee on intelligence the number three. the true answer was 10 and i say that over and over and over again because i want people to understand if you think that that is the line that is going to knock me out of the let's just say the good graces of the jury, i think you would be wrong. >> michael, who, based on your understanding, is the most important witness in this case who is not michael cohen and not donald trump ? >> it is everybody. i believe that everybody's testimony corroborates everybody else's. >> what do you think hope hicks has to offer ? >> i don't want to go and what i believe is going to be the substance of the prosecutor's case. hope hicks is a corroborating witness, just like all the

others just like david packer, just like -- >> do you know madeleine? >> i do. she was the gatekeeper to trump's office when he was president. >> the subtext is the democrats are coming after donald trump. these are all republicans who will be witnesses and speaking, people in his direct orbit. how does that, how does he manipulate that narrative so successfully ? what is it, saw that people are taking in that they think, some actually think this is all a set up by the joe biden white house, even though this began long before joe

biden before joe became president prestwick >> the terminus donald deflection. that is what he does. he deflects. he knows that he baptized the department of justice against his critics, myself included, with an unconstitutional remand. what does he do? deflect it, put it off. it is the biden administration, they are weaponizing the justice department against me. on and on and on. it is the same thing over and over again. poor donald, donald the victim. he is now being the target of the biden administration and people start to repeat it. is like stalling. he repeated the lie again and again and again until ultimately the lie becomes the truth. >> what does it mean to have hope hicks come on the back end of that line, try to make it the truce, to come in and go no, that is a lie, this is the truth? >> sure, it means the same thing, for example, as david packer coming in, who has been involved in the catch and kill schemes going on over two

decades before hope hicks even knew donald trump. it all corroborates one another's testimony. all corroborates the documentary evidence. he knows what is coming at him. it's not like he doesn't know what documents are going to be used. it is called discovery and it is all turned over despite, of course, the southern district of new york's blunder with 100,000 documents, none of which really has any relevance, which, again, delay tactic. what you end up having now is donald knows he can't win on the documentary evidence. so, what does he have to do? i remember in moot court, i had a professor that is to say if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs and that is what he's doing. he's trying to muck up the water so that there's a chance that he could get maybe something on appeal or maybe he could interfere with at least

one juror to get a hung jury. >> for you, i mean, we talked about, we mentioned a little earlier this morning, we had former congressman joe walsh here and he noted he wishes this case wasn't the case going first. this is something that is regularly discussed across the country, definitely here in d.c.. there are other cases that are stronger, this is not the strongest case. we laid out at the top of this hour it has been called a hush money case but this is about election interference, covering up the affairs because donald trump didn't want it to come out before the election. what to say to people who say this is not the strongest case, not talking about your credibility but the facts of this case, people don't care about payments to a former adult film star ? >> what i say to them is, number one, why are we now handicapping cases for this is and the kentucky derby. this is our democracy.

sure, i will acknowledge that the january 6th insurrection is a more grotesque abuse by donald trump of the law. i will acknowledge that the same holds true for the mar-a- lago documents, the top-secret documents that he would not return and his understanding of the presidential records act is completely absurd. i will acknowledge given that the fanni willis case may be more grotesque. if it was you in this specific case, we will collect the campaign-finance violation case as opposed to the hush money case, though, the resident and the adult film star has a better ring than campaign-finance violation, you would be already charged. the case would have already taken place, and he would be incarcerated. so, if we really believe that we are supposed to be a country where the law applies equally

to everyone, which i think we all acknowledge it really doesn't, we are not even a two- tier system of justice, we are really three tiers, there's all of us, the average people then there's those in power, and then there's donald trump, who seems to be able to skirt the law whenever he wants and however he wants. that doesn't, i don't acknowledge what these folks are saying. as far as i am concerned, whatever hold him accountable, i am okay with. >> works for me. >> you went to jail for the connections to this very case that is going before the folks on monday. we will discuss a little more. stick around, michael cohen. we will continue this conversation after a very quick break. folks, you are watching the weekend on msnbc. (vo) verizon small business days are coming. april 22nd to the 28th. get a free tech check. and special offers and deals. don't miss out.

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he will be in the courtroom. now, i have some thoughts about his presence there as a defendant. he should be there. we know that that is more of a problem for him, a stage for him. how do you assess what donald trump is a saying about being in the courtroom, having him there? do you understand that is a dramatic moment. i think it will be interesting to see him have to deal with the people who worked with him, both outside of the presidency and inside of the presidency now sitting in a witness chair saying everything prosecutors are saying, that happened. >> first of all, he has to be. there is a terminal defendant, he has to be there. that is part of the process. but, the likelihood of donald trump being on the stand is equal to the likelihood of me waking up tomorrow 7'6" and

playing center for the new york knicks. it is not going to happen. how many times have we heard the same story again and again and again that, you know, i want to testify. absolutely i'm going to. i'm going to tell the truth. the one thing that every time donald opens his mouth, you know that something nonetruthful is coming out of it. we also know that he's not a good defendant. he's not a good witness. we watched that with the case where he couldn't even identify e jean carroll. he's not a good witness, he's not going to take the stand. i hope that i'm wrong because i think that would be absolutely classic for america to be able to see donald trump on the witnessed stand trying to defend himself in a case that is indefensible. >> the most interesting, i mean, i am, i wish that america could actually see these proceedings happen.

how they will view this is through sketches, through hearing from people like yourself. hopefully you come back after you take the stand. and then they will hear from the reporters who are in the room. i think we will also see from donald trump's social feed. this, though, and i said it when we came out before we went to break, you went to prison because you were the facilitator of these payments. that is a misdemeanor. for donald trump to participate in falsifying business records, that is a misdemeanor under new york law. what makes this a felony that of the da office is alleging is in fact because it was to cover up an underlying crime. the underlying crime is because he didn't want people to know because he thought it would interfere with the election. i think about john edwards. i know this comparison has been made previously but john edwards, who was a presidential candidate who was found out that he had a baby with his, with someone who worked on his

campaign and his donors were pending for that woman's lifestyle, her home, everything. went to court. a jury of his peers, it was a mistrial on the counter that he was in an illegal cover-up, election corruption, they said no. everything else, the jury couldn't come to a conclusion. are you concerned that that could potentially happen here ? >> the facts and circumstances surrounding the john edwards case versus people versus donald trump are very, very different. very different facts and circumstances. there is an element to it, which is similar, but it is not the same, it is not the same case at all. >> you are not concerned the jury, you think it is overwhelming evidence ? >> i'm not concerned because i am not the prosecutors. i am a subpoenaed nonparty witness.

the comic tomorrow and say we would rather you don't even testify, i would say thank you. i can go and start my life. i am still on paper. i couldn't get judge for men, despite the bureau of person, my probation officer acknowledging yes, let him off, there's no reason for it, there's like six, seven months left, he refused to do it. okay, whatever, it is one trust fund baby protecting another trust fund baby, i don't care at this point. the facts and circumstances are what they are and, again, it will come out at trial. and, again, i merely, along with a dozen other people, i am just a witness. >> let me ask you, you said you are not excited about having to testify. this is a big week for you. i feel like there's been a lot of build up to this moment and i wonder if it is not excitement that you are feeling, what it is you are feeling going into this. >> i hate to say this but i think the american people, for at least the first week, maybe two, i am still a believer that

voir dire will be three weeks. jury selection is voir dire. it will be a little anti-clinic to on monday because everyone is thinking it is the start of the case. yes, technically it is the start of the case but it is not. this is just the process for jury selection, which is complicated but it is not exciting. america wants excitement. this is sort of like becoming like the donald trump reality show. and, it is not supposed to be. this is our democracy that is on the line right now. i think we have to take the case seriously, which is, this is a serious matter. whether you think the january 6th insurrection or the mar-a- lago document case, the fanni willis case are more grotesque abuses of the law, irrelevant. this case is equally important and it does and will, in my opinion, ultimately hold donald accountable. >> you gave me a unemotional

answer to an emotional question, which is how are you feeling this week. >> there's a swath of the american populace that are so knee-deep into the cult of donald trump, the attacks are relentless because that is what he does, he attacks the judge, he attacks the judges daughter, he attacks witnesses, he attacks anyone and everyone, thinking that this is a positive strategy. it doesn't work. so, yes, i'm concerned. and, a little apprehensive. >> michael cohen, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. >> good to see you all. next, we have an urgent warning from retired military leaders about trumps presidential immunity arguments. you are watching the weekend.

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former military leaders are warning of the dangers our country could face if the supreme court sides with trump presidential immunity argument later this month. retired four-star admirals and generals with former secretaries of the army, navy, and air force right in a new amicus brief if the justices rule in favor of the ex- president, it would, "risk of jeopardizing america's standing as a guardian of democracy in the world." joining us is former army secretary and one of the chief architects of the amicus brief, louis caldera. >> mr. secretary, you are not only the former secretary of the army, you are a trained attorney. we all here often members of the military who are trained to follow orders and they believe in the chain of command. did it take much coaxing from

your self and others to get the names that signed on to this amicus brief to do so or did they really understand the gravity of what donald trump was alleging, that it was a no- brainer for them? >> no, it really didn't. in fact, this brief started with a number of four-star general officers, admirals, and service secretaries from the army, air force, and navy working together to write the brief because we were deeply concerned that first of all, no justice on the supreme court has served in the military. they need for people like us, former, retired military, defense officials to bring to their attention the national security implications of the case they are hearing as we think it would gravely threaten our national security and our standing in the world if the court were to find that presidents could violate

criminal laws without consequence, without accountability, without being able to be charged and prosecuted, particularly in instances when they would use the military and attractive military intern to violate the law and the way they carried out his orders. >> secretary called era, i want to pull up this piece of from msnbc, retired military leaders warning of the threat of democracy if trump is found to be immune. "at the federal appeals court argument earlier this year, judge raised the prospect that if presidents are immune from prosecution, as trump claims, then they could order the military to murder their political rivals." there were members of the court who didn't want to walk through all of those potential hypotheticals but i do want you to illustrate for us and for our audience the types of inflection points that make you particularly nervous. >> that example is a really

important one because it is not the president is going to assassinate political rivals or even foreign leaders. he's going to order a military unit, seal team six or someone to do it. the president, the former president wanted to use the military for things like calling domestic protests, americans exercising their first amendment rights to protest, of speech. he wanted to use the military to quell that. he talked about using the military to take control of election boxes and results. he has had a number of instances talked about using the military to a couple of things that are unlawful under our system, under the laws that have been passed by congress. the challenge for military leaders is that they also have sworn a duty to uphold the constitution and the laws of the united states and they have an independent duty not to follow unlawful orders. that is, they can be prosecuted

for following unlawful orders. ever since world war ii and the nuremberg trials of , the idea that you can defend yourself by saying i was just following superior orders no longer holds. if you follow an unlawful order, you can be prosecuted. what would happen, what we fear what happened is you would direct his political appointees, the secretary of defense, the service secretaries, to tell the military to do something that is unlawful under our system. they in transmitting those orders to the military leaders and expecting them to transmit them down into units and soldiers, it would break the bond that has to exist, the trust that has to exist between political appointees and career military leaders. that is the

underpinning of how our system of defense works of what we call civil military relations and civilian control of the military. it would tear it apart because on the one hand, the political leaders would be saying follow the orders of the president and on the other hand, the military leaders would be saying i can't do that because that is an unlawful order. that would create chaos in the department of defense, chaos in the ranks. it would undermine public support for the military to see their military being used for medical purposes and it sends a terrible message to the rest of the world about how we work, that we are not truly a country committed to the rule of law but we are a country where the president can order the military to follow his instructions, even if they involve breaking the law. >> mr. secretary, i want to pick up on that a little bit more. i think in all of this for me, that is probably the most important aspect of this, how what trumps argument does in terms of really squeezing down on rank and file servicemen and women, putting them in an untenable position while lifting himself above the law. how do you and military

officials assess the potential damage and confusion that that will create among the rank and file members of our services and now find themselves, should this go sideways and the courts as trump has some level of immunity and soldiers are now in an awkward position of having to take the type of orders you were just describing, what is your sense among the military personnel how they are looking at this and the potential concerns they may have? >> michael, of course, this is not just about former president trump. we don't want any president of any party ever in the future to have the immunity from criminal prosecution if he or she were to violate criminal laws. we believe it would destroy the

unity that has to exist in the military. the military operates through a chain of command. it operates by reflexively just following the orders that you are given. it operates because we share a sense that the reason these orders were given was to protect the nation from foreign enemies, was to defend ourselves and that we are all on the same page. we are also putting the constitution, we are all doing what needs to be done to protect our country within the rule of law. now all of a sudden you are being faced with a situation where you are not sure you are getting the order from the president but there is another voice telling you wait, that is unlawful and i'm not supposed to follow unlawful orders. then, what do you do? that is a recipe for chaos and division within our military that we believe would seriously harm the way our military operates. we would destroy morale, make it harder to recruit, make it

harder to gain the support of the american people for our ministry. we spent almost $1 trillion in support of our military and national security and defense. if the american people think the military is being misused for political purposes and to just answer to the will of the president in ways that are unlawful, are they really going to keep telling their representatives to support us in the way that we would want our military to be supported? we think all of that is at risk. >> appreciate that very much, secretary louis caldera, thank you for being with us. next, house republicans impeachment crusade against homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas might be about to fizzle out. representative nanette barragan joins us. this is the weekend. weekend.

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house republicans are set to send articles of impeachment against homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas to the senate this coming tuesday, despite finding no evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors being committed. just days after republican senators requested more time to build their case for an impeachment trial. joining us now, congressional hispanic caucus chair, , critic congresswoman nanette barragan of california. welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> do you think the senate should be taking up these articles of impeachment or should leader chuck schumer just get rid of it, dismissed them upon receiving them ? >> it is a political stunt and we know that. i think it is time for leader schumer to dismiss them and have a vote. it is not necessary. even republicans we know in the senate and in the house have said this is a political endeavor and there is nothing

there. so, let's get to the business of doing something for the american people. let's get to the business of actually doing something to help secure the border instead of, you know, the political stunt. >> to that point, congresswoman, given that you have, again, senator lisa murkowski in politico quoting "i've not seen anything that the house has presented to us that would rise to an empty table offensive high crimes and misdemeanors," how do democrats in the house and maybe some like-minded republicans sitting quietly in the back in the corner in the dark going to try to show to the american people how much of a force this really is and really make the case, as you just did, in the senate, when it gets there, this is what is going to happen, setting up the narrative, if you will, as this whole thing starts to roll toward out of

the house and to the senate ? >> the first thing i think is effective is when you show the clips of republicans themselves saying they want to delay this for political purpose or when you see people like mitt romney on television and those clips saying that this is because donald trump has called and said don't do anything on the southern border. i think those are very powerful for constituents to see that. second fall, i think it is really important when we convey to the american people what democrats have tried to on the southern border and how republicans have stopped it or they are not funding it. one of the things that i recently looked at this morning was a chart to see where republicans and democrats have a vote on passing funding for dhs this is for border security, this is for the men and women on the front lines. what was shocking to see was from obama to the current time, democrats, it is democrats who have voted in greater numbers to fund dhs then republicans have. there is the narrative that it is republicans walking away from the table. let's not forget the senate deal. there was a senate deal put together. one of the toughest border security measures put on the

table. and, it was republicans who walked away from the deal saying we don't even want to talk about it, we don't want to do anything. why? because donald trump said don't do anything. i need this to continue to be a problem. this is continuing the anti- immigrant narrative, that they are not serious about the border and they don't want to do anything. we know the american people, they want a balanced approach. they want us not just to enforce, they want also pathways to citizenship. i think that is the key. he ran talking about those pathways. so, let's do that, let's have a conversation. republicans aren't serious. >> let's talk about the president's theory on univision, he used the occasion to say he plans to issue an executive order to limit the number of asylum-seekers who can cross the southern border,

what is the chc position on that? >> the question was asked whether he was going to be using executive orders to do such things and he said that he didn't know if he had the authority to do that. congress would have to act and that they are looking at executive actions. i think that is the key. the president always looks at what he can do with executive actions. the hispanic caucus has sent over a list of suggestions and executive actions the president can take to address the southern border. most of those are pertaining to more legal pathways because we know when you provide more legal pathways it it is more orderly at the southern border, that is what the american people want. so, we hope we don't have to go down this road of looking at trump era policies to do just that. trumpeted that in 2018. he used his authority to limit folks and what we found was it really didn't do much of anything on people crossing over. the court struck it down.

>> so, axios was told, though it is not final, such an executive order is the one that was described that the president spoke about in his interview is likely by the end of this month, end of april and that this particular provision would restrict the ability of people coming to the border to claim asylum and it does not require congressional approval. if in fact that is what the president is and his aides are mulling over, what is the congressional hispanic caucus position on that ? >> this would be a mistake. we know it has been done before under trump. this is a trump era profession that has been used. he used it in 2018 and they didn't really see much of a difference on people coming over and the numbers. it hasn't worked in the past and the court struck it down. this is a situation where i think the american people want to see action and congress

can't get it done so the president's hands are kind of tired and he's trying to figure out ways to help address and work with, work on the southern border so we can reduce the numbers. but, this would not be there and. and 12 is really what they are looking at, it would not be the route to do it and we would not support that. >> i will just stick with the hispanic caucus for a moment. i believe it was last week they put out a statement to tamp down the noise here in washington because i would say it is not something that is a groundswell out in the country. let's be clear about what is and what it isn't, right? this is the noise inside the beltway about supreme court justice so the mayor to resign, to step down because they are concerned about her health and all these other issues. speak to us about that a little bit and why it is important, why it was important for the hispanic caucus to make clear about how they view the first latina on the court and her

service. >> well, you know, she has been a jurist who has been strong. she has been thoughtful. she has been great. i have seen no indication mother was on why anybody would suggest that she step down and to have somebody who is 78, a senator, suggested that is a little rich. >> is 69-year-old. >> he was 76 when he decided to run for a six year term. stop telling latina women what to do. you are talking about a woman who is super smart and sharp. she can make decisions and decide when it is time for her to retire. >> well, there it is. california congresswoman nanette barragan. thank you very, very much for your time. >> thank you for having me. before we go, folks, we are entering a situation in the middle east. navy special forces from the iran revolutionary guard corps used a helicopter to seize a container ship near the strait

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we can do this in latin. >> we are not speaking latin, michael steele. we were sitting around, chatting just about the breadth of the guests we had today and the topics we covered. i too want to stop telling latinas what to do t-shirt. >> at the place a lot of things. >> and applies to abortion, it applies to justice sonia sotomayor. i was struck by this idea you have speaker johnson out there talking about how undocumented people are supposedly stealing votes from americans. i don't think we can express how dangerous what he's saying is. it is in line with this entire replacement theory that has radicalized so many americans, so many trump supporters where they believe immigrants are coming to this country with the express purpose of replacing

other americans and rebuilding america in their image, which is wild to me. we are sitting right by the u.s. capitol. we saw what happened on january 6th. we saw what happened in the lead up to january 6th. if you are worried about people stealing votes and undermining democracy, i have folks you can place your attention on that aren't hard working moms and dads you just want a better life for their kids. >> i think the important part of what you just said and just to clear up the framing for the american people, every state is not a border state. just stopped that level of crazy. this is the narrative now to justify what you're talking about, to justify what we were covering in the first hour of republicans want to reframe the conversation to make everyone, to just break it down, recent white someone who is trespassing. and, that is an untenable

position for a country like ours, a pluralistic nation like ours, every state is not a border state. we have border states and we have an opportunity, republicans, to fix the border but donald trump told you to stand down and guess what they did, mike johnson, you stood down. now you don't get to come back to the country and say guess what, it is their fault, they are the reasons we are in this predicament. no, you have to on what you did. i think that is what you said just really makes that clear. >> i know who the original trespassers to this country are. they are not the nonwhite people. that does it for the weekend this saturday morning. tomorrow, we are talking to senator tim kaine of virginia

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