not yet turned into action on the ground. >> in the last 20 seconds, so is it another call for biden and benjamin netanyahu? >> it's a call, it's a demand, it's, now is the time to unlock the aid flows. they are blocked and people are dying as a result. >> usda caloric intake for an adult in the u.s. is about 2500. that's all in for this week, alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> am going to say, i applaud all of your coverage on gaza. it's excellent to have david on your show and it's important but i also just want to say, in a long week, the remix of alex jones -- >> is it in your head? >> the frog remix, that's going home with me. thanks? >> you're welcome.

>> have a good weekend. when donald trump first refused to concede the election in 2020, republicans in congress didn't really know what to do with it. at the time a lot of republicans just kept her mouth shut, hoping that trump would eventually give up. but they're also the republicans who went all in, who started scheming with the trump white house about how to keep joe biden from being certified as the duly elected president. there was one congressman in particular who was way out in front of the effort, organizing a number of his colleagues to sign on to a highly dubious lawsuit challenging biden's victory in four key swing states. >> the republican lawmakers are getting behind the suit, leading the effort on capitol hill is scotsman mike johnson.

what's behind it? >> there's a lot of irregularity fraud, and hijinks, let's be frank. but we are going to have a landslide of house republicans who are going to sign onto our amicus brief to support this. >> mike johnson, a little-known congressman from louisiana was the driving force behind efforts to overturn the 2020 election. he was the architect of a key part of trump legal strategy in trying to get election results thrown out. and when house republicans eventually ousted speaker mccarthy and ultimately settled on johnson to fill the position, reporters try to ask johnson about his role in trying to overturn the election. this is what that looked like. republicans booing a reporter telling her to shut up because they did not want to talk about mike johnson's role in the big

live, flashforward for today, johnson has been speaker of the house for nearly 6 months and because the lifecycle of a republican house speaker is roughly that of the fruit fly, mike johnson is already facing revolt among the far right members of his own party. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene has introduced a resolution to oust speaker johnson, the same way the maga hardliners ousted mccarthy. so johnson decided to shore up support from conservatives by embracing once again, election lies. today the embattled speaker flew to mar-a-lago where he and trump gathered reporters in a strange candelabra filled room in palm beach to talk about election integrity. that's the parties preferred term for lies about the stolen election but johnson and trump weren't there to talk about the big lie that you've grown accustomed to hearing about, instead they offered a new

version of the big lie, an updated version to point out that we used together existing election conspiracies with trump's other favorite conspiracy theory, the so- called migrant takeover of the united states. >> election integrity is tied to border, the lack of border security. among the problems that flows from the open border catastrophe is directly related to this threat to election integrity. we believe one of the reasons for this open border which everybody asks, why would they do it, it's because they want to turn these people into voters. >> venezuela, it's happening with the congo, countries all over, africa, asia, south america, all over the world it's happening. our country is like a dumping ground. >> they are coming from venezuela, africa, asia, south america, democrats are shipping and brown people from all over the world to turn them into illegal voters. elaborate, and also wildly untrue. people who come to this country

seeking a better life for themselves and their families do not willingly risk the predation just to vote for democrats, it just does not happen. the brennan center for justice analysis said the 2016 election after 23 point philly and cass, there were 30 instances in which noncitizens votes were suspected, that's the instances where it was suspected. the actual number is likely even smaller. even conservative think tanks like the cato institute have found that noncitizens don't illegally vote in detectable numbers. but that reality doesn't matter to donald trump and mike johnson. they need an election lie that motivates their base and so they've traded in the false conspiracies about black and brown people reading the election, for a new narrative, one where brown people from all over the global south are invading the united states just to vote for democrats. and it's not just mike johnson

and donald trump. the republican national committee led by trump's daughter-in-law is running robo calls pushing this exact same nonsense. >> i'm stephanie calling for the republican national committee cochair laura trump. i'm sure you can agree that we cannot allow the chaos and questions of the 2020 election to happen again. your vote could be canceled out by someone who's not an american citizen. >> as preposterous as this is, it appears to be convincing people. one of the richest men in the world, elon musk who i will note, is himself an immigrant to the united states, has repeatedly pushed the claim that democrats are trying to ship in voters from other countries. musk has blasted the message to his millions of followers on the social media platform he owns and controls. and now, he will be assisted in this insanity by the leader of

the house of representatives and one of the two front runners for the u.s. presidency. joining me now is melissa murray, legal analyst and law professor and john hyman, and host of theand high water podcast. thank you all for being here as we sift through the chaos, once again, what happened at mar-a- lago. >> that's one word for it. >> if you didn't like the big lie 1.0 there's a 2.0, is it an upgrade? what do you think of it? is it more effective? >> i mean, if the question is, does it animate from space, it does. if the question is, does it make voters who are in the middle of the electorate, who are a lot of those urban voters who won the election for joe biden along with the big turnout from the base in 2020,

and who have been drifting, they are back towards trump, there in and out, they don't like biden's economy, but every time trump does this kind of thing, it just reminds people of something in our amnesiac country that can remember what happened last tuesday, donald trump wasn't so bad, we see this in the polling all the time, when trump does this, it's making it about him and when he makes it about him, he makes it chaos, and chaos in the suburbs of philadelphia and atlanta, chaos is not with those soft republican's want, that's why they ran away from him in 2020 and he keeps pushing it in their face. it's a risk for him politically. >> there's the bigger question of what it does to our democracy, the aftereffect of 2020 is voter suppression laws enacted across the country and when you hear about that rnc and they have 18 and election

integrity lawsuits across the country, there was a response to the falsehoods that were circulated by the republican party and donald trump and state legislatures responded, should we pay more attention? >> it's not an unfamiliar trope that they are rehashing, it's not terribly original, it's the kind of thing that you typically would find cooked up in a meth lab of conservative grievance, the idea that all of these new states from the global south are replacing your vote. it's a species of the replacement theory and it's meant to trade on the same fears of losing her country and the response has been swift and immediate. there are more poll watchers who are now authorized to be there's not only are they watching the polls, they might be intimidating certain voters from casting their votes. there are more laws now that require individuals to provide more proof, to show that they are not noncitizens, even though we know the prospects of noncitizens voting is rare, the

incentives are terrible for noncitizens to vote. you won't change the election with your vote and you could be deported or go to jail. so the intent and still play out. but it has cashed out in a wave of laws that are designed to suppress the vote among certain voters under the auspices of limiting election fraud and election fraud that does not happen. >> when we compared to 2020, you know in the aftermath of january 6th, there was, for a minute at least, the institutional a ferment of the gop rejected the narrative that, they rejected january 6th and to some degree they rejected the big law, that all changed. mccarthy went down to take the photo at her locker. there's the speaker of the house, mike johnson, having a press conference to talk about

propose legislation to deal with a problem that doesn't exist which is more outlandish than i think many other theories we've heard from the gop. >> let's be clear. this is the least surprising in the world, mike johnson wasn't just a follower, a lemming on the big lie and on the attempt to overturn, he was one of the primary architects of the big lie. this is a guy who's been down with that program since the beginning. he doesn't have the coffee shions to be speaker, doesn't know anything about the house and how it works. he's probably learned a few things in the year that he's been speaker -- >> it hasn't been that long. >> at least kevin mccarthy, understood parliamentary procedure, mike johnson is there for one reason. he's the most maga candidate who survived the carnage a year ago, so to have them down there doing this, it's not surprising but it is incredible, you don't get to stay speaker if

republicans don't keep control of the house and everything donald trump is doing, he wants to get rid of obama care, he shoots down the immigration and border bill, he's taking ukraine eight, everything which mcconnell thinks that is in the interest of the republican majority donald trump is taking enclosing -- including mike johnson's own fisa deal. he is guaranteeing with every move that the republicans will not still be in the majority after november and hey mike, if you're not in the majority, you are not speaker anymore. it's craven politically but also it's like suicidal. >> it's cutting off your nose and eating it, despite your face. >> the one thing that john left off of the list, abortion, in

the same press conference, trump is asked about his position, there's two pieces of sound, control room, i want to play the one where he talks about what is happening at the state level and the harmony therein. can we please play that? >> what we did was give it back to the states and now the states are working their way through it and you are having some very, very beautiful harmony, to be honest with you. well, you have some cases like arizona that went back to 1864 or something like that, and a judge made a ruling, but that will be changed by government. >> okay, first, what? first of all, it's not on the ballot yet, is it a beautiful harmony, what was that? >> that was a word salad. if harmony is the sounds of women leading out in parking lots because they are septic and they can't get the treatment they need after a miscarriage i guess that's

harmony. this is someone who doesn't understand how government works, literally, how a bill becomes a law and also has no idea what the reproductive cycle is, it's like are you there god, it's me, donald trump. but the republicans are taking a knee on her abortion in large portion because trump knows he doesn't need a republican house or senate to further curtail abortion rights, we have this tommy comstock law lying in wait and all he needs to do to activate the ban on abortion and indeed any implement that might be used, is to get his new department of justice with his new ag, to begin reprioritizing the enforcement of the act.

so people need to get hip to that. he can afford to lose mike johnson, mike johnson is completely expendable because he can't afford to lose congress, he can do this the other way, the way the hardcourt members of his base would be happy to have him do it. >> clearly he doesn't want any legislation to pass which is why he is killing all of it. >> you don't need a republican legislature if you have great -- >> the governance doesn't seem to be the essence. >> it's an argument that applies to the thing he cares most about all is keeping himself out of prison. he just needs that attorney general, the worst version of bill bar. >> the other part of it that should not be ignored as he was asked about marjorie taylor greene, i don't think we have time to play the sound. i'm sorry, we don't have time. we will keep you guys for -- we do have time, let's play it. >> we are getting along very well with the speaker and i get along very well with marjorie, we have a speaker, who was voted in and it was a complicated process and i think it's not, not an easy situation for any speaker, i think he's doing a very good job.

about as good as you are going to do, and i'm sure that marjorie understands that, she's a very good friend of mine. >> to have donald trump as your father figure, what must that be like? >> of your mike johnson any watch what happened, kevin mccarthy,, for four years, he would have my back, when the chips were down, he said i don't care, see you later, bye. does he think that trump is going to come to his rescue when trump says to marjorie taylor greene, yeah, take him out. donald trump has betrayed everyone who has ever supplicate it themselves in front of him. they all think they will be different. they are never different and johnson is definitely not going to be different. >> melissa and john you do not get to leave and have a friday

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why do you believe it is important for you to testify, take the stand in the upcoming trial? >> i tell the truth, all i can do is tell the truth . >> donald trump is a few days away from his very first criminal trial. earlier today, he asserted that he will take the stand in the new york city hush money trial which appears to be predictable and a very bad idea. here's michael cohen, a potential star witness for the prosecution in and interview.

>> do you think he wants to testify? >> i think he'd like you to believe that he would. >> do you think it would be a disaster? >> donald does not know how to tell the truth. >> he also predicts that manhattan district attorney alvin bragg has some surprises in store. >> credibility is one part of the trial. you've talked about that. there c word that comes up is cooperation. what can you tell us about that? is this a stronger case when it comes to cooperation then people understand on the outside? >> if it wasn't, i sure you and your listeners alvin bragg and his team of prosecutors would never have brought this case. >> you think we will be surprised by some of the corroborating evidence? >> i do. >> back with me are melissa and john. let's tackle the latest news of

the day, trump saying seemingly defended lee that he would testify. can you paint a picture of the disaster that would be for him. >> it's unorthodox for any criminal defendant to take the stand in his or her own defense because again, any criminal trial, the burden is on the government to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. any kind of doubt can be room for a jury to acquit, so the defendant doesn't have to do anything. the burdens on the prosecution so giving the prosecution an opportunity to poke holes in your story and to shore up their own story, disastrous. most lawyers would tell their clients know, do not do this. but again, most lawyers don't have donald trump as a client and as michael said, this has got to be nerve-racking for the defense team because this is a man who consistently shows that he loves to talk, he loves to talk about himself and he's not

particularly tethered to the truth when he does so. >> that is being generous. john, when we think about the hush money trial, and some ways it's a story that we've heard before, it goes to the essence of trump as a national character, we will read a quote , the trial cast a light on an important slice of trump's origin story, his cultivation of a sordid and crude celebrity infused with misogyny. my question to you is, does that have an effect on the american public at this point, are we used to it or is it a negative reminder of all the distasteful things about trump that will have a meaningful effect on the election? >> there is a poetic justice to this being the first trump trial, if you are thinking about this as a narrative, and if we thought we would get the january 6th trial or the

documents trial in time for the election, i could go with the argument of, this is great this is the first one because it's going in sequence and we get to see the character and what he did in office, pre-presidency, post-presidency, it would be the right way to tell the story about this guy. i think the three of them it's the one that has the least political consequences. if you were like you only get one trial done before election day, which one do we want, it's not the one you would pick that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to people and we've seen polling that suggests that two thirds of the country this is a serious charge. if you go out and talk to people in the country about it, it's not the thing that for trump voters, they obviously don't care, there's people in the middle who have lots of problems with trump and things they find repulsive and dangerous, they don't necessarily think tank hush

necessarily think tank hush money to a star is the reason don't care, there's people in the middle who have lots of problems with trump and things they find repulsive and dangerous, they don't don't care, there's people in the middle who have lots of problems with trump and things they find repulsive and dangerous, they don't necessarily think tank hush at

sweep of the four indictments, it's like he's gearing up with this one and it's a pattern and practice of doing anything to get what you want, and that was something that marred his presidency. we saw in these moments where the supreme court with strike down things that the trump administration did, they literally would do anything to get the outcome even if it meant circumventing the normal channels that you had to go through. and this is kind of the same thing, january 6th, it's just a more elaborate version of that, to stay in power, i literally will allow insurrectionists into the capital. maybe if you talk about it like that, maybe that moves the needle and gets the public animated about the other trials that they are probably not going to see. >> what's your expectation for bragg who by all accounts, is a very methodical individual, risk-averse, you heard michael cohen saying he would never

have brought this case if it was just what you know now. this guy has done his homework. >> i think any prosecutor, the burden is so high on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt that you don't just bring anything before a jury, i mean you really have to believe that your case is airtight, that you can tell the story to 12 people and they are all going to be with you at the end. and so, alvin bragg, he's a really good lawyer, the folks on his team are good lawyers, he's a real lawyer doing real things, he's not going to be a fly-by-night guy. he's methodical, too, they are buttoned up on this. i kind of believe michael cohen that there are things that we are not expecting that may come out that bolster this case perhaps more so than we are expecting. >> prosecutors do not like to lose. being the one that took the shot on the first trial and then failing, just your ego, i think that's another reason why, this guy really wants to

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we thought that when you said you supported it -- why such drastic change in the we talked about it? >> i want to know what you say to people who trusted you and believe in you, why are you against that miracle? >> thank you for the question, i am pro-life. >> this has not been a good week for senate candidate kari lake, on tuesday, arizona's top court reinstated abortion banned from 160 years ago when slavery was the law of the land in arizona wasn't actually a state. the band criminalizes virtually all abortions with no exceptions for rape or incest and kari lake was a big proponent of that law. >> i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great lot that's already on the books. so it will prohibit abortion in

arizona. >> that was two years ago, when kari lake was running for arizona governor. now, when she is running for arizona senator, the great law, has actually become the law of the land and it's deeply profoundly, unpopular. so yesterday, kari lake changed her mind. . >> if you look at where the population is on this, a full ban on abortion, it's not where the people are. the issue is less about banning abortion and more about saving babies. >> are you following this? pro-life kari lake who previously called the civil war era abortion ban a great law is now claiming the law is not where the people are. she reportedly called on arizona state legislators to repeal it which has landed her in some hot water with conservative antitrust -- anti- choice voters. it could have just ended there.

but it didn't. to prove her credentials with the profamily wing of her party, she touted a new and amazing policy. >> in hungary, what they did i thought was so amazing, they started with their tax rate and when you get married they give you a cut in your tax rate, when you have your first child, they give you another cut, by the time a mother has four children, she never pays taxes again, that's called a baby bonus and i think we should do that here in america. >> first of all the recent hungary's dictators tried to encourage native mothers to have multiple offspring is because he is engaged in a white christian nationalist project of repopulating his country with white christians. and as part of that he has pursued and aggressively agenda of keeping out black and brown migrants. setting all of that aside, the policy that kari lake thinks is so amazing, the tax cut for

people who have kids, is literally something we have in america, it's called the child tax credit and lawmakers have recently proposed expanding it. but right now, right at this very moment, in fact, the senate and senate republicans a particular are trying to block it. here's the quote, senate republicans are inching closer to burying a bipartisan bill to expand the child tax credit. the top republican in the senate finance committee said it would create too much entitlement. it appears that kari lake no nothingness about reproductive health care extends to add no nothingness about a lot of other things, too. and that has not escaped the notice of democrats. earlier today vice president harris took this issue right to kari lake's doorstep in arizona to make lake and the republican party answer for their hypocrisy. i will talk more about that with lisa larimer from the new york times, coming up next. up t e

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just three days after arizona supreme court ruled that the states abortion ban is enforceable, vice president harris made it abundantly clear that there was one person responsible for all of this. former president donald trump. she also argued women's rights and basic freedoms depend on keeping trump out of the white house. >> overturning roe was just the opening act, just the opening act of a larger strategy to take women's rights and freedoms. former president donald trump did this. because of donald trump, one in three women of reproductive age in our country live in a state that has a trump abortion ban. and now, trump wants us to believe he will not sign a national ban. enough with the gaslight in. it is your power that will put

this light in the arizona state constitution, and it is your power that will send joe biden and me back to the white house. >> joining me now is lisa larimer, co-author of the forthcoming book, the fall of roe, the rise of a new america. it's great to have you here. i'm such a fan of your reporting on all of this. and you had interesting reporting ahead of this event about how vice president harris made this event, it went from an official white house event to a campaign event. and my question to you would be, for a while we've heard about the biden/harris campaign toggling between different topics, democracy, the economy, it sort of feels like they are coalescing around abortion. >> what strategists tell me is

it's a powerful motivator and it's a powerful motivator across the board, like sure, it's perhaps more energizing for certain groups of their coalition, young voters, female voters but there's no one that, there's no biden voter, a voter whose available to biden, so independent voters, moderate republicans who does not feel motivated by this and they also see abortion as symbolic as more than just the right to terminate a pregnancy. it's also, they see it as symbolic of freedoms and bodily autonomy and the other things that really connect deeply in this matter. >> and it dovetails with an economic issue, whether not even have a child or are forced to have a child. as we talk about how biden make sense of this, and who is delivering the message, biden himself has had a sort of

complicated relationships shall we say with the topic of abortion stretching back to his days as a senator. is it your sense that harris will be leading the charge on this? she seems to have a sensitivity to have relevant it is. >> what our reporting found was that she's eager to do this, she sees this as a core issue to the campaign, something to fight on and she's really concerned that trump is going to muddy the waters somehow, and try and demonstrate that he wouldn't go further and she believes he would go further and he would endorse some kind of national ban through congress or the comstock act. biden, the interesting thing about biden is i think that he has thought more deeply about abortion than any president i can remember. he has really struggled with this issue and struggle between his politics and what he believes is the correct policy and his faith and we really document that as part of our book but it is interesting and

i think he's even involved, since dobbs in this post wrote error to become or of a champion of perhaps not a procedure that he himself with get if he was still in the market for such things but as an available right. and i think he can see himself and other americans. the stories of women who are going septic or being forced to get nearly septic in order to get basic healthcare because of these abortion provisions. i mean, that has changed the partisan divide on all of this. one of the things that i think is striking is, and i would love to hear your thoughts on why this case has been so resident, is that donald trump comes on a monday saying my big reveal is, leave it to the states, that's my big plan to sort of curry favor and on tuesday we see what happens when it's left to the states. is the timing particularly

difficult? is that why it has been so widely discussed? what is your assessment? >> i think certainly the timing of trump's announcement and this law coming out, it was a perfect political storm democrats. i also think there's something about this happening in arizona. i think americans have a sense or an expectation for better or worse that these kinds of bands happen in deep red states, the case that i did roe, took place in mississippi, obviously, we were talking a few weeks ago about alabama and access to ivf but this is arizona, this is a swing state, this is a place that has had explosive growth in recent years, it's not a deep red state. and i think that gives a sense at least the biden campaign believes, that this is something that is creeping closer and closer to people's lives, that more and more people have heard the stories of women who have faced these heart wrenching medical and emotional decisions and is becoming more and more present.

the drumbeat reinforces what a post-roe america is. >> i think north carolina, one of the democratic candidates for governor said this is the southernmost state where abortion is legal. >> is great to see you. thank you for your time tonight. trump's codefendants in the classified document cates were in front of the judge today and said they were only taking orders from the big guy and they should have their cases dismissed. that's next. that 's next. once-daily td treatment for adults. ♪ as you go with austedo ♪ austedo xr significantly reduced kate's td movements. some people saw a response as early as 2 weeks. with austedo xr, kate can stay on her mental health meds— (kate) oh, hi buddy! (avo) austedo xr can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in

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at mar-a-lago on may 26, 2022, trumps valid walt nauda told him he was going for a job but he wasn't. he was making a way to talk to the fbi. yesterday, we got the transcript of the interview and it has fascinating color in it, like how the fbi agents talked to walt nauda about the tv show "how i met your mother." the focus of the interview was more substantive. they asked walt nauda about his involvement in the movement of boxes and whether he had seen any classified information. that interview is now newly relevant. today in court, walt nauda and codefendant, trump property manager carlos de oliveira,

today in court tried to have some of the charges against them dropped in the trump classified documents case. the crux of the argument is they shouldn't be guilty of obstructing justice because they claim they didn't know there was an investigation happening in the first place. they didn't know what they were moving, they were just following orders. the main issue with that is that one week after walt nauda was interviewed by the fbi about moving boxes that could have classified information in them, walt nauda and carlos de oliveira moved boxes for trump again. so, does their argument today have legs? or, is it as made up as the jogger? joining us now is an attorney with expertise in national security, security clearances and government investigations. mark, thank you for joining me tonight. i kind of wonder what you make of this argument that carlos de oliveira and walt nauda were just following orders, despite the fact that they did have a

meeting with the fbi where the fbi was clear about what was in those boxes ? >> good evening, alex, pleasure to be here. i don't like the i'm just following orders argument. it makes me think of world war ii and the and we know how that turned out, which i'm not making the equivalents, obviously with what this situation is but a much as judge cannon was describing, as much as one can assess from the bench how a judge reacts, this is mostly a fact and trial issue. today's hearing was a very routine, typical, expected defense motions to dismiss charges, try and get additional information. but, it really comes down to is it a fact or not? did they know, did they not know? it could be a viable defense that could ultimately lead to their acquittal but that will be for a jury to decide, likely not this judge. >> you mentioned get more information. it sounds like they want a bill

of particulars. i am just a student in tv law school so bear with me but a bill of particulars, as i understand it, is essentially an itemized list of every illegal action the government, the special counsel believes walt nauda and carlos de oliveira took. smith has some thoughts about why walt nauda and carlos de oliveira would want this bill in particular. he alleges walt nauda's motion asks how the government will prove facts at trial and is therefore a thinly veiled attempt to get the government to disclose its trial strategy. do you agree with that? >> it is very typical from both sides. this part of the case is a normal criminal case. we are dealing with conspiracy allegations, concealment of documents, obstruction of justice, false statements. it doesn't have to even involve classified or national defense information. this is the nonesexy part of this case. so, the defense is trying to get more information, the

prosecution is trying to prevent that from happening. this is a very detailed indictment, superseding to bring in carlos de oliveira . so, in this sense, now, you know, whatever, this is just some going back and forth. what we are really waiting for is more proceedings with respect to the classified information procedures act, where trump's next submission is due by may 9th, where do we want to see it as the public but the court will start to learn what type of classified information or what specific documents former president trump's legal team wants to present at the trial. this is where we will get into the meat of whether this case will actually be successful for the prosecution or successful for trump. >> just from the outside, mark, it feels like judge aileen

canon is considering everything at a leisurely pace. smith is accusing walt nauda and carlos de oliveira of these motions as being dilatory tactics that are paving the way for more delays. i know you said this is a pro forma exercise, this is what happens. the fact that we are having these hearings for all these motions, does it feel like the judge, at least, is a slow rolling this? >> it certainly feels that way. we still do not know when the trial will be. it is still technically set for may 20th. obviously, that is not going to happen. there is a possibility smith, the special counsel has asked for july. the defense has said they can deal with august. we will see. i will take my chances going to the casinos and winning before i predict when i think this trial will actually occur. but, there is a lot of back and forth gamesmanship. could this case go more quickly question mark absolutely. there were delays with respect

to motions that were unnecessarily, at least from the outside perspective, i will say that these types of espionage act cases, again, not what we were hearing about today, but, you know, there is a lot that needs to go into these very difficult, complicated cases involving classified information. you add in a former president of the united states, you can understand why it is taking so long. obviously, a lot of people want this to happen before the election in order for those to factor that into the decision. that is clearly not what this judge is contemplating. and, i don't know if that is necessarily inappropriate because that is not relevant to the criminal part of it. for many people, this is going to slough and for many people, it is going too fast. i am just trying to watch it as a matter of law to understand what is happening and eventually we will find out. >> a very generous