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beyonci became the first black woman to have a number one country album on the country billboard charts. that is huge. however, i had to come down to the winner of the week being you guys. if you are one of the millions of americans who got your student loans zeroed out, you have a whole new life, you want the week. it could be up to 30 million people by the time it is done. all the people won the week who got their student loans fixed. this is life-changing for people. >> $30,000.00 of her debt as an educator, went off. >> it is one constant bill that is gone. right now, americans have to worry about how many bills are stacking up. >> that is a win. dawn staley, college women's basketball, kamala harris, the moon. thank you very much. that is the reidout. right now, all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in.
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>> jury selection is likely luck. >> facing multiple trials, including one for his coup attempt, the republican nominee unveils a mutation of the big lie. >> election integrity is tied to the border, the lack of border security. >> then, the final approach for the new york terminal trial. >> the judge merchan gagged me. that's gagged like you can't talk. >> plus, the surreal consensus on who is to blame for the truck abortion bans. >> former president donald trump that this. >> broke roe v. wade. >> one in three women of reproductive age in our country live in a state that has a trump abortion ban. >> the states are working brilliantly. >> the 2024 presidential election has somehow become a referendum on alex jones conspiracy theory. >> i don't like them putting chemicals in the water that
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turn the frogs . >> all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. as we approach the 2024 election, republicans are obsessed with the 2020 election. donald trump big lie of a stolen election had become the ideological tentpole of today's republican party, which is why, just this afternoon, speaker of the house mike johnson make the pilgrimage down to mar-a-lago to hold a so-called election integrity summit with the ex- president. now, election integrity might seem like an innocuous enough freeze. shortly everyone wants our elections to be carried out properly. for republicans, they have a place to the concept in a really insidious way. when i say election integrity, it really just means that big lie. and, there's a reason for that. what many of them actually believe about that election sounds nuts. >> the dominion voting systems, the technology software and the
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software that goes in other computerized voting systems here as well, not just dominion, were created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez to make sure he never lost an election. >> okay. this is, as we've established many times, transparent nonsense. obviously the ghost of hugo chavez hacked the voting machines or that the chinese government smuggled bamboo paper into the ballot. or, this is another one, the italian satellites rigged the vote count. not to mention the fact that if you do say that stuff, you might just lose your law license or get sued for $800 million, just ask fox news. so, you can't go around sounding like sidney powell, unless you are trump. at the same time, republicans are kind of caught in a bind because they can't say the truth that the election was not stolen from donald trump, that 7 million more americans chose joe biden over trump because
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trump was a bad president and a better person, who a majority of americans rejected twice. so, that brings us to the slightly more respectable version of the stolen election conspiracy, what i like to call the gentleman's big lie. you are probably familiar with it. we've been hearing it since the last election. >> worried about pennsylvania, which is a state that i have been focused on, objected to as a mixable of why people are concerned, millions of americans are concerned about our election integrity. last year, pennsylvania elected officials passed a whole new law that allows universal mail in balloting and did it regardless of what the pennsylvania constitution said. >> this election was not stolen, do you accept that fact? >> well, what i would say is that the debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur. there were several states in which the law was changed by the secretary of state and not
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the state legislature.,, those are unconstitutional. >> that was the version of this gentleman's big lie. that was part of the amicus brief, part of the lawsuits brought, signed on to by members of the senate. instead of saying the sidney powell line, the venezuelan socialists are hunting the voting machines, they put forward a more respectable line. this idea that some states loosening some rules to make it safer for people to vote during a, let's remember, once in a century pandemic, is tantamount to the election being stolen. these so-called concerns about the integrity of our elections are just a more polite means of whining about nonexistent widespread voter fraud appeared to be clear, it is all bad faith lies. take that clip from republican senator tran 33, that is on the evening of january 6th, they are back in the building maybe or right around then. he's talking about why he objected, it is right, then. i remember mitt romney's death glare. what josh hawley elected to
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mention was it was the republican pennsylvania legislature that voted to loosen restrictions on mail-in voting and they did it before the pandemic in 2019, not in 2020, as he said. what's more, the pennsylvania state supreme court unanimously upheld the 2020 election under that law. but, josh hawley from missouri didn't like it. the fact that these so-called concerns about the election laws, or the changes, totally fall apart under even the smallest amount of scrutiny has not prevented them from becoming the respectable party line. >> i think there were lots of problems with 2020. ultimately, he won the election but there were lots of problems with the 2020 election. 100%. >> that's fair. >> i don't think he won it fair. not going to say that. >> i'm not here to litigate 2020. i'm running in 2024, i'm running for the u.s. senate. i do say we have to get conference back in our election system. >> is your confidence back ? >> look is there concerns? yes, of course.
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but, you know, again, i don't want to spend my time talking about 2020. i'm talking about 2024. >> when they changed the rules for covid-19, i think that was wrong. some of the states were unconstitutional. i don't think it was the perfect election. remember after a lot of the media was saying this was the most secure election in history. how could be the most secure with millions of mail-in ballots going out ? at the time of the election, they were talking about nicolas maduro stealing votes on the voting machines or whatever and none of those theories to be true. >> what? okay. we could play lots more of that. john paulson, the big hedge fund guy who is a trump supporters at the same line this week. here's what happened. everyone seems to have a memory home of this time we all lived
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through. there was a once in a century pandemic that killed about 1 million people in which people could not gather without risking mass contagion of a serious respiratory virus. states pivoted to allow people to vote by mail or vote in other fashions like dropping off ballots in sealed boxes that would allow them to securely vote and also to not risk infection. every attempt to challenge the results of that election was thrown out of court. every audit showed there was zero systemic widespread fraud. there was not any systemic fraud. there is zero evidence that measures designed to allow folks to vote safely did anything but allow folks to vote safely. probably allowed more folks to vote. what is the problem, exactly, the concerns that well the thing the republicans are really mad about is that too many people voted against donald trump. at the end of the day, republicans just don't like democracy when they lose. which means they don't like democracy. they believe they should run the country by default. they believe the votes of their opponents are suspect, that they shouldn't count. they just don't trust that those people are there. but, they are. that is why, just like evan mccarthy before him, micah johnson went down to florida to
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kiss trumps ring. >> the speaker is required to go around, fly, and the country and be with all of the candidates and incumbents all around 11 to 23 states in the last several weeks. everywhere we go, one of the first questions people ask about is this issue of election integrity. >> well, i wonder why that is, mike. could it be that you have been beating them over the head with this line for four years in this hermetically sealed little bubble you've created? yes, it is all a way to launder the big lie and january 6th and something slightly more palatable. in reality, it is still the big lie all the way down. it is all just a justification for trumps attempted coup and the deadly insurrection that followed and what he wants to do now, which is finish the job. three years ago, we saw blood spilled in the speaker's lobby.
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now, not only is the sitting speaker of the house defending those armed constructionists, saying they need to be protected from prosecution, he is also defending the lies that sent them to the capitol in the first place. former washington, d.c. metropolitan police officer who was brutally attacked while defending the capitol on january 6th. he's now a council member for courage for america, a nonprofit fighting extremism in our government, is currently touring the country promoting democracy in communities across america. michael joins me now. michael, it is good to see you. >> acquires, thanks for having me on. >> there was a possibility in a moment after january 6th as the sheer horror of it said in that you can imagine a world in which four years later everyone, there would be consensus that that was horrible and that the election wasn't stolen and the people that lied about that need to be run out of american life. instead today, we have the speaker of the house going down to mar-a-lago to do some kind
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of slightly more palatable version of the same lies that sent this people there to the capitol on that day. i wonder what your reaction to that is. >> i think like a lot of americans, the irony is not lost on me that speaker micah johnson and donald trump giving a press conference on election integrity, no two people in this country have done more to undermine the integrity in our election process than they have. so, it is laughable. >> i want to ask about the way that trump and johnson have started talking about the people who are in jail or d.c. correctional custody for their role in january 6th. it's pretty striking. it has become a widespread thing to say they are being persecuted, that they need to be defended from persecution
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donald trump has said he's going to set these guys free. elise stefanik and trump have started taking to calling them hostages. what do you think of that language? >> it is outrageous. but, i don't know. is what i've come to expect from donald trump. what i would implore the american people to do is to research the individuals that are still in custody in d.c. jail to understand why they are there and what their crimes are. ryan o'reilly, nbc reporter, has done an excellent job in investigating each of those individuals and many of the individuals that stormed the capitol, some of whom were charged with crimes related to might assault. these are individuals who committed violent acts, assaults against law
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enforcement, or because of prior bad acts or crimes they committed while on release from charges pending from the capitol insurrection, have remained in custody. so, for lack of a better term, they are dangerous individuals who remain held because judges have a responsibility to ensure the safety of the public and allowing those individuals freedom places the public in danger. >> to your point on the numbers, i, the decedent of corrections had 29 january 6 inmates in custody, 27 of the 29 have been charged with assaulting law enforcement officers and the u.s. capitol or on its grounds. 20 of the 27 charged with assaulting what was and officers have been convicted at trial. 10 have pled guilty to that charge. you are someone who is, i think it's fair to say, both your
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life and career trajectory changed forever on january 6th. i think partly on january 6th and partly what came after in terms of the fact that we didn't achieve social consensus that it was terrible. and, i'm curious what it is like now to be out talking to people about extremism in the government, as someone who i don't think you viewed your self as, you know, you were a cop, you were a police officer and a very good one, in my understanding. and, what those conversations are like and what you are learning. >> first, i have to tell you, it is exhausting. we are 3 1/2 years out. three and half years out from january 6th. and, you know, while the vast majority of the conversations i have are incredibly empathetic and sympathetic to my experience and the experience of hundreds of law enforcement officers that responded to the capitol that day to protect members of
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congress, protect their staff and protect the institution, ultimately, you know, of our democracy, that being said, it is disheartening to come across so many americans that know so little about january 6th, even this many years out or seemed to be so in different to what happened that day at the capitol. like i said, it is exhausting. >> it is always a pleasure to talk to you, i appreciate it, thank you very much. >> yes sir, thank you. still ahead, trump on the fence on the abortion crisis he has caused. >> we don't need it any longer because we broke roe v. wade and it is working the way it is supposed to. >> donald trump is the architect
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of this health care crisis. >> yes he is. >> that is not perfect, by the way, that he hides. in fact, he brags about it. >> that is coming up. first, what to expect on the eve of the first ever criminal trial of a former president, next. president, next. swiffer powerm. ya know, if you were cashbacking you could earn on everything with just one card. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp? i can't talk right now, i'm at a silent retreat. cashback on everything
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right now, as of 8:00 p.m. friday night, if donald trump doesn't succeed in his increasingly desperate attempts to delay or derail his hush
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money case, the very first criminal trial of the next president in american history will get underway at 9:30 a.m. monday morning in a manhattan courtroom. the first order of business will be, of course, selecting a jury. prospective jurors will have to insert a 42 question survey and share details about the biographies, their implement, independent. question 28, have you or someone close to you ever worked for a company run by donald trump or anyone in his family? interesting question. question 30, and a supporter or member of the q on on movement, proud voice, his keepers, or antifa ? do you have any strong beliefs about whether a former president may be charged? it is funny to about that in the past abstract. question 35 and 36, have you read or listened to the books or podcasts by michael cohen, mike pomerantz or the defendant, donald trump? just hours ago, the judge in this case denied one of trumps any requests for delay,
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directed to trumps, that there had been too much publicity for a fair trial. considering there are still several issues outstanding, including for a motion for the judge to recuse himself, there remains a lot of that could happen between now and 9:30 monday morning. me is charles coleman, former prosecutor, no civil rights and criminal defense attorney and barbara mcquaid, who served as u.s. attorney in the eastern district of michigan, author of the book "attack from within," barbara, i want to start with you on the motion that, the adjournment motion that was filed by trumps lawyers basically saying there is too much pretrial publicity to have a fair trial. and, here's the order from judge merchan. defendant seeks a further adjournment of trial in light of pre-judicial pretrial publicity, which is substantial, ongoing, and likely to increase. the remedy defendant six is indefinite adjournment. this is not tenable. the proper ready to assuage defendants concerns by conducting a thorough,
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thoughtful, and effective more deer." what do you make of that ? >> i think that is right. there's not going to be less publicity if this case is tried later. is not going to be less publicity if the case is tried somewhere else. so, it, the issue, of course, is there are jurors who have heard too much about this in the past and they can't be fair. as the judge said, that is what you do, you find jurors who can set aside their predispositions. you would be amazed at how many people who are out there who get called for jury duty who don't pay close attention to the news. everybody is going to have heard of donald trump. but, most people on the news junkies that we are and there are a lot of people out there who may very well be able to set aside
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anything they've heard outside of court and decide this case fairly. it is those they are looking for. >> that's a very good point. i think there's a sense like obviously everyone knows who donald trump is. i think that is probably pretty universal. and, may have an opinion of him. the facts of the case, that's a really good point. there might be a lot of new yorkers that don't know what is going on. then there's another, so barbara is talking about this jury process. we have the process, the question. trumps lawyers are objecting to something that judge merchan did. an interesting wrinkle and how he's going to greenwich dealing with the jury pool. who will go from the big group down to the small room that will be the jury box. and, their objection to it. this is what trumps lawyers say. they say "the court proposal regarding the dismissal of potential jurors who self identify as being unable to serve is inadequate because the plan would not create sufficient record for the
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praises of any necessary appellate review or a venue change motion." i don't quite understand what they are getting at. charles, explain it to me. >> typically, when you are picking a jury, potential jurors will identify as not being able to serve, for various reasons. i have worked, i can't be impartial. >> my kids don't have childcare. >> the reason someone who does not want to serve as a juror will use to get out of jury duty. what typically happens is that the judge will sidebar with the attorneys and interrogate those reasons to ask is there anybody that you could get for childcare, if we let you out earlier, would that be okay ? those records help to make a decision as to whether you will stay on the jury or be dismissed. what judge merchan has done is said if you self identify as not being able to serve, we are going to let you go. that will significantly cut down the time that it is going to take to choose this jury because you are not going to have these infinite sidebars where people are trying to explain why they can't serve. >> it expedites that they don't like it because they want to preserve the records for some
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conceivable appellate thing that you struck the wrong jurors or something ? >> that is the line on paper. in reality, it is, it speeds things up. >> don't want it sped up. i see. now i understand. it seems to me in terms of the wisdom of that, barbara, for a trial such as this, both of historical importance and media attention, for the judge to say, we don't want anyone here against their will, we would want someone with one foot out the door, we don't want someone who is like i have to get, we have to get out of here now we want, so, we are just going to let people who say no thanks walked out the door. what do you think of that as a decision? >> as a prosecutor, that was really always the person i was looking for two strike from injury, somebody who didn't want to be there. i want somebody to pay close attention
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and it is my burden as the prosecutor to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. if they are hung up and went to get out of there, the quickest way out is to acquit. i want people who want to be there. maybe i'm not sure i can get into their heads but maybe the defense is looking for the opposite, right? somebody who will be able to say look, i am eager to get out of here, let's just wrap this thing up with an acquittal and be on our way. as a prosecutor, i wanted people who want to to be there. >> i guess the final question, because this is the last show i will do before monday morning, given i've been talking to people who practice in new york criminal courts, do you think it is going to happen monday, do you think any of the things dangling over our going to derail it? >> the only chance we would get would be the change of venue granted. i predicted he was going to file a motion to change the venue long ago. he has done it, it still has
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not been decided. i don't know why we would wait until the dramatics of the start of the trial to say we are going to grant this motion to change the venue. for all intents and purposes, it seems like this is going to happen. >> maybe try to get it to west palm beach. charles coleman, barbara mcquade, thank you both. coming up, republicans try to backpedal from their abortion bans. vice president harris goes to arizona to make him pay. will this move finally stick to trump? that is next. is next. if you're short on time for marketing constant contact's powerful tools can help. you can automate email and sms messages so customers get the right message at the right time. save time marketing with constant contact. because all it takes is 30 seconds to make someone's day. get started today at constantcontact.com. helping the small stand tall.
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we broke roe v. wade and we
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did something that nobody thought was possible. we gave it back to the states and the states are working very brilliantly, in some cases conservative, in some cases not conservative but they are working and it is working the way it is supposed to. and, you are going, you are having some very, very beautiful harmony, to be honest with you. you have some cases like arizona that went back to like 1864 or something like that and a judge made a ruling but that is going to be changed by government. they will be changing that. >> you can feel the flop sweat coming through the lens of the camera. donald trump scrambling once again today, trying to both brag about breaking roe v.
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wade, overturning it, and pretend to fall out from it hasn't been an absolute disaster resulting in states like arizona reinstating abortion bans from the civil war era. the ludicrous argument he tried to make one in stark relief by vice president, harris, who took the stage in arizona to remind everyone exactly who is responsible for the abortion ban in arizona and in at least 20 different states across the country. >> the overturning of roe was, without any question, a seismic event. and, this ban here in arizona is one of the biggest aftershocks yet. and, we all must understand who is to blame. former president donald trump did this. now, because of donald trump, one in three women of reproductive age in our country live in a state that has a trump abortion ban. donald trump just said the collection of state bans is, "working the way it is supposed to." so, arizona, this november, up and down the ballot,
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reproductive freedom is at stake. and, you have the power to protect it with your vote. >> joining me now is the washington correspondent for new york magazine, just wrote extensively about the role arizona is going to play in november when it comes to control of the white house and the senate. bolivian, the piece is fantastic and one of the things you write about, these two themes of the border and 2020 and the big light and democracy, running through these two races. as the piece is published, this other huge central theme of the election just detonates in arizona like a bomb. now it has every conceivable key theme and aspect of this campaign. >> it is sort of like the
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hottest state. it really does have everything. it is remarkable. it is tempting to think of it as a microcosm of the entire united states and all of the different factors that are animating voters this cycle. it is hard to think of a single issue that is not at play in arizona. the majority of my reporting, which to started in december, the number one issue was the border. if you look at polls, there's not a ton of polling but the polling that does exist says arizona voters believe the border is the number one issue, the economy is a close second. i have to imagine that this news is going to change that pretty dramatically. >> it is interesting too because the battle of what the most salient issue is a proxy battle over the election, over who people are going to vote for. you interviewed kari lake. we play these up sometimes, she was a tv news broadcaster. she, well they are not always
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coterminous categories. she's yelling at, she had this very kind of, this iconic moment where she is yelling at reporters about how she's going to change the medium and you'll have to get used to me for eight years before she lost that election. when she refused to say she lost it. i'm curious just what that experience of interviewing her was like. >> it was sort of like being hundred for sport. it is a very stressful situation. i think i said it was like performing surgery on a balloon animal. it is just a natural endeavor. she is performing and she is beating you and argument or trying to ensnare you so that you, she is filming it, i should say, her husband is from it, he's a cinematographer. and, she has published throughout her campaigns these videos where it is kari lake versus the liberal media, essentially. any time she participates with the "liberal media," it is for the for substantially making
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reality television about her campaign. and the entire thing is sort of just a strange production. they have these big tv lights and the whole staging of the room is a strange. it set up like it is for first nixon and you are found the whole time, which is only fair if you are recording it as a reporter. by all means, she should be able to record it as well. it is not unusual to have at least an audio recording. knowing that the purpose of it is to hopefully catch you doing something that would allow her to contribute to this narrative about the liberal media certainly makes it feel quite different. it is hard to have an honest, human interaction in those circumstances. and, despite, i felt my best efforts, i did not achieve any clarity about what the human being kari lake is all about. >> in the piece, she does a long thing about the last trump piece you wrote and how she was going to have to call of the interview. you think white is she saying
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that. this is her thing. what is interesting about kari lake, when you watch the 2020 race, she is polished she's charismatic, she is a compelling public speaker, she did it for a living, she communicated for a living. her opponent was committed to debate, was the opposite. katie heinz is now the actual governor of arizona. she won. do you think there's any change? is there any learning that has happened? kari lake's whole thing was doubling down, i won the election, i am more trump than anyone. in the last few days the tacking to the center on abortion has been a thing to behold. >> she keeps using the word choice, which is interesting. seems like a victory for pro- choice activists, in a way. there is an attempt steve bannon, who is a character in this story, as he often is, kept referring to it as kari lake 2.0 and talking about her attempting to make another
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presidential pivot, a senatorial pivot, although it calls to mind the presidential pivot we are all still waiting for from president trump's. she has attempted to moderate her speech. she is not particularly good at it. someone described it to me as her not being a true believer but wanting to be. i think that is why there is such a lack of nuance in her performance. she is trying very hard. i thought of her as a perfected sarah palin in certain ways. she was able to succeed in television where sarah palin was not. she was able to become this mega celebrity. sarah palin was a true believer and that was her fatal flaw. kari lake is not and this is all a performance. i don't know if she's going to be able to achieve the level of nuance required to appeal to swing voters in arizona and people who are skeptical about her and abortion and appeal to the maga base. >> she falls into an uncanny valley for me personally.
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is? it is a gay bomb, baby. i'm not saying people didn't naturally have homosexual feelings. not getting into it. quite frankly. give me a break. think i am shocked by, bashing it because i don't like gay people ? i don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay, do you understand that? i'm sick of this crap. i'm sick of being social engineered. it's not funny. >> point of fact, a lot of people did find it pretty funny. in fact, it became a very popular meme. this remix got $31 million views. >> i don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the frogs gay. you understand that? freaking frogs. it's not funny. i'm going to say it real slow for you. gay frogs. >> like everything alex jones says, this is complete
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is really is on high alert tonight. the strike killed seven people including two senior commanders. pentagon officials expressed frustration to the washington post over the escalation saying israel gave them no advance notice that the strike was coming. in anticipation of the counterstrike, the u.s. moved warships into the middle east and biden warned iran to show restraint. >> what is your message to iran in this moment? >> don't. we are devoted to the defense of israel.
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will be defending israel and iran will not succeed. >> biden's ultimatums to his own allies in israel are showing that the best signs of coming true. last week, he told israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu the u.s. would reassess its policy on the war if israel didn't do more to protect civilians and allow aid into gaza. today the un said that israel was still leading and less than half of its aid missions to gaza, only seven of them got in last week. to feed a desperate population of more than 2 million palestinians. this is where we are today. still, on the verge of a famine according to a top usaid administrator, and now, on the threshold of a possibly wider shooting war directly between israel and iran and possibly involving the united states.
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just to put on your international relations had for a moment, this seems like, i know folks in israel are extremely nervous and the news has been really consumed with this over the last week and have, people frightened about what might happen. the americans are frustrated that they were not given any warning about this. of course, they are pledging their support. >> it's been a central tenet of the biden administration approach since october 7th two prevent a wider middle east scenario. the good news is no one in the middle east once a war, the bad news is no one knows how to stop the dissent into one. and that's the riddle that the administration is struggling with. my organization has people
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across the region including in jordan and syria and lebanon and iraq and everyone is on edge because they can't see how to stop the slide, and it won't take much more obviously to bring the u.s. in, and a damaging way. >> in terms of gaza, there was this, in the wake of the aid workers and the aid strikes on each individual car in the convoy and the outrage that followed, there was a phone conversation between biden and benjamin netanyahu and there were clear that there were some principles laid down. i've seen contrasting reports about what that has done to a flowing into gaza and as someone who is coordinating with folks -- >> i spoke to our emergency director yesterday. we've got a team at a hospital, working in gaza with partners, trying to help people stay alive, frankly, and the basic truth is, there's a trickle of aid coming in and it needs to be a delis.
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there's an argument about whether or not there's been an uptick since last friday but the president put his foot down and the israeli government said they would open a new crossing, but on the ground, you've got 1 million people at catastrophic levels of hunger, starvation levels, that's why samantha powers said famine is rife, is there in gaza. that's an extraordinary statement that she has made and there's a warning that things are still getting worse and that is the mashed -- message that he told me, he said you've got to tell people, things are still getting worse and they haven't started getting better. >> it's not some sense of like a u-turn has started? >> no, the fighting has gone down, there's less fighting, because the israeli troops have withdrawn. there is now more reliance on drones and missiles but when it comes to the situation of
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people on the ground, there isn't enough food, and people can't afford to buy it. >> the israeli government keep saying we are not metering the trucks are putting any limit on trucks which i think is true but in the particulars what ends up happening as many are blocked for a whole bunch of reasons, this was from the washington post. this is from ngo officials talking about the items that are blocked, anesthetics, animal feed, chocolate croissants, crutches, maternity kids, sleeping bags with zippers , water filters. >> chris, here's the point. there's a backup of trucks but also a truck that gets through, if a peer of scissors is found on it, the whole truck gets turned around and the argument is, it might be used in, in militarily. that's how you end up where millions of people are in catastrophic hunger.
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>> how, can you describe the scale increase that has to happen to stop the famine from happening? >> from a trickle to a deluge. -- >> there's nothing functioning? >> one of the ngos reported, 250 calories a day, that's the average intake. that's -- >> 250? >> that's the oxford report, when you are in that situation, that's how you end up with this very technical un organization reporting, three weeks ago that 25 children had died not of gunfire, or missiles, not even of illness, but of starvation. this is a very conservative body that does this. it's very unusual to have a famine declare. the warning signs could not be
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stronger. the message of last week has not yet turned into action on the ground. >> in the last 20 seconds, so is it another call for biden and benjamin netanyahu? >> it's a call, it's a demand, it's, now is the time to unlock the aid flows. they are blocked and people are dying as a result. >> usda caloric intake for an adult in the u.s. is about 2500. that's all in for this week, alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> am going to say, i applaud all of your coverage on gaza. it's excellent to have david on your show and it's important but i also just want to say, in a long week, the remix of alex jones -- >> is it in your head? >> the frog remix, that's going home with me. thanks? >>

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