incredible to think how much damage this guy committed. sam brock, thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. see you tomorrow night. you can reach me on social media @jdbalart. watch clips from the show on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. peter alexander picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," all hell breaks loose. that rhetoric from the trump campaign days before the start of the former president's historic hush money trial on monday. we monitor new developments in the classified documents case in florida. in florida today, speaker johnson heading to mar-a-lago. that will happen after his house republican caucus, the conference there taking a key step to extend a critical and controversial foreign surveillance program. we will take to you the middle east.

on high alert as israel dismisses worries over a looming military operation in gaza. there are new concerns about potential military action by iran or its proxies. kamala harris on the road today traveling to arizona. the biden campaign keeps a close focus on the state's controversial abortion ruling and donald trump's shifting stances. ♪♪ good day. i'm peter alexander. we are in washington. andrea mitchell is on assignment today. after three failed attempts in three straight days, the former president, donald trump's first criminal trial is on. the jury selection set to begin monday in new york's hush money trial. mr. trump pleaded not guilty. he faces four years in prison if convicted. his campaign is fund-raising, posting an email this morning. it declares, 72 hours until all

hell breaks loose, before later calling for an outpouring of peaceful patriotic support. u.s. secret service, nypd, new york courts, they are all coordinating security for this manhattan trial. first in florida, there's a pretrial hearing this afternoon in the classified documents case. attorneys for the former president's two co-defendants want the charges against them thrown out. that's where we start with ken dilanian. he is outside the florida courthouse for us. lisa ruben is in new york. and former manhattan assistant district attorney catherine christian is with us as well as former u.s. attorney harry litman. ken, what potential impact could today's hearings have on the classified documents case against the former president? >> reporter: peter, that depends how judge cannon rules in this matter. it could be insignificant. it could have enormous impact if

she throws out any part of the charges against these two co-defendants. we are talking about the valet and the property manager at mar-a-lago. they are accused of conspireing to obstruct justice with mr. trump by plotting to destroy video surveillance evidence. it wasn't destroyed, but prosecutors say they conspired to cover up the fact they were moving classified documents. the attorneys for both men say that they were not aware that there was a pending criminal investigation when they did this and that they weren't fully cognizant of the significance of what was in the boxes. prosecutors disagree. they say that's a fact question for the jury in the case, not a legal matter to be heard on a motion to dismiss. motions to dismiss are about whether the law applies to the facts. the judge is supposed to accept the facts as true. the idea these would succeed is remote. but with judge cannon, you can't

rule anything out. she has shown a penchant for being sympathetic to arguments by the defense. another interesting thing that happened is that last night walt nada's attorney released a redacted transcript of his conversations with the fbi. agents were explaining to him why it was important to get to the bottom of what happened with the classified documents and whether any foreign adversaries saw them. they said that lives could be at stake. they use an example of capabilities of a navy ship. he had recently left the u.s. navy. to this day, we do not fully understand whether the intelligence community knows exactly what happened with those classified documents and whether any foreign adversaries saw them. >> lisa, i want to get to you. you will by in the courtroom in manhattan on monday. the first criminal trial under way. it's expected to last who knows

how long. maybe you can give us guidance on that. what are we hearing from the judge? >> let's start with what we expect in terms of the length of jury selection. that process is expected to last one to two weeks. the way that the judge has arranged for jury selection should be maybe more immune than other processes to abuse. but this is donald trump whose defense just tried three times in three days to postpone the onset of the trial. i suppose anything is possible in terms of their desire to elongate jury selection and make this as painful as possible. in terms of the immediate decision qualifiers, one thing that the judge has told the parties is if somebody self-identified as unable to serve or says, there's no way i could be fair and impartial, that person is going to be dismissed with no further questions asked. in the usual course, that's not what happens. he says, examining these people one by one, pressing them for

reasons why would be inefficient, unnecessary, and time consuming in a trial that is already expected to last four to six weeks. >> see the bottom on there, media consumption that the potential jurors will be asked about. catherine, i want to ask you because michael cohen, the former trump attorney, he is likely to be one of the key witnesses here. other names we are expecting to see, hope hicks, stormy daniels. who stands out as those voices that will be key and what should we watch for? >> obviously, michael cohen. he is the one who is going to say he made the payments to stormy daniels. he visited donald trump in the white house, and they came up with this reimbursement agreement. it would be called legal expenses when it wasn't. the 34 counts are about falsifying the trump organization's business records,

identifying checks, invoices and ledger expenses. he is the key. you can expect in their jury selection the prosecution -- you do this when you have a witness who has baggage. they will ask -- you will hear from a witness for the prosecution, you will hear he has a criminal conviction. you will hear that he has a conviction for lying. you want to be able to put that right out there. you want to find if anyone who says, i won't be able to listen to his testimony if someone has that in their background. you want to get those people, if you are the prosecutor, off the jury. >> i want to ask harry about what i read today. it was pointspointing out how m trump railed by the system of justice. but he is benefitting from it. it digs into how trump denigrates prosecutors, lies

about his cases, vilifies the judges and their families. he never faced repercussions imposed on other defendants. it talks about another firebrand politician named donald who 15 years ago -- this was a dallas city council member who did a lot of similar things, but the judge did not put up with it and put him behind bars. now you have a different donald, donald trump, he will be in court four days a week. his dirty laundry out for the country to hear. when he is attacks, he lashes out. he is under a strict gag order right now. the judge seems to have no appetite for those antics. what should we watch for on that front? what do you make of this argument that he is benefitting from the system of justice? >> it's clear any other defendant in various cases would

have been already put in jail to force compliance. there's all kinds of reasons that judges are trying not to do that here. in terms of this trial, something very important is happening monday. jurors are coming into play. when he makes -- he only has one speed, a thin playbook. he will rail against the judge or against the prosecution. if that kind of information gets into a juror's ears and minds, that's a problem for the fairness of the proceedings. i think you are going to hear some very contentious -- he is not going to change from what he has been doing the last couple weeks or last couple years. rail against the judge, rail against the system, except he is not permitted to prejudice the jury pool. you will see the judge really try to be firm with him. there will be battles and questions about whether this juror heard this or that.

it's going -- that's not going to stop, by the way. any defendant now, you are told to just try to be nice and be nice to the jury. trump doesn't know how to do that. it's going to be a big challenge every day four days a week. >> catherine, as we have seen so many times, there's a time line of his stream of consciousness, his commentary throughout the every twist and turn of each of these criminal cases. what are the chances that mr. trump would take the stand in his own defense? >> i don't think there's a snowball's chance in a very hot place of him ever doing that. it will be very good for the prosecution but very bad for him. also, he won't be allowed to do is what he did in the jean carroll case is walk out of the courtroom. he will be seated at that table throughout the trial. neither he or his lawyers or the prosecutors can just get up and walk out without the permission of the court, unless there's a break.

he is going to have to behave himself. >> to be clear, his complaints, his behavior outside the courtroom, that's what most of us will see. what is said in front of the judge and jury is what is going to matter in the course of the case. we appreciate all of you. on monday, msnbc will have special coverage of the start of the first of donald trump's criminal trials. jury selection beginning in the new york city hush money trial. coverage begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. threading the needle. mike johnson pushing to pass a renewal of a controversial government surveillance program that has plenty of critics. among them, donald trump. that's next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." we are back in 60 seconds here on msnbc. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you.

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washington today, the renewal of a critical u.s. surveillance program, known as fisa section 702, is back on the house floor after republicans tainted an earlier version. they are voting on amendments to a revised version of the bill. there is bipartisan opposition along with demands to expand warrant requirements. the attorney general as well as the white house national security advisor, jake sullivan, made personal calls to lawmakers today to try to help ensure final passage. after what was a very blunt warning from the fbi director on this issue yesterday. >> as i look back over my career in law enforcement, i would be hard pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once. >> marjorie taylor greene, who has been threatening to oust the speaker on the house floor this morning saying this.

>> if the government really cared about protecting americans, then they would shut the border down and mass deport terrorists out of our country. do you trust the department of justice to hold the fbi accountable? because i don't. >> joining me now from capitol hill is ryan nobles. i want to start with the new reporting. biden administrations were told personally getting involved to make sure this fisa section 702 passes. what more do we know about that and will it? >> reporter: peter, it's more than just the passage of fisa itself. they are concerned about what's happen on the house floor right now. that's an amendment proposed by andy biggs. it's supported by republicans and democrats that would allow for the reauthorization of 702, but would also include a new warrant requirement. a warrant requirement that national security officials say would essentially gut what makes fisa so successful.

giving them the swift ability to conduct surveillance programs on what they would deem possible actors that could harm the united states. civil liberty experts on both sides of the aisle, progressive democrats, conservative republicans, said that they believe this warrant requirement is a necessity to expand the program. the white house right now paying very close attention to this amendment. if this amendment passes, then 702 is passed late they are morning, there's a good chance it won't pass in the senate because the national security officials are concerned about how it could hobble them during their process. that's why these biden white house officials are making that special outreach. the attorney general, national security advisor jake sullivan calling members of congress and pleading with them not to vote for this amendment. at this point, there are more votes in favor of this amendment than against it. still a lot of people left to vote. we expect it to be close.

that could tell us a lot about where the future of this surveillance program is headed over the next couple of weeks. >> of course, the simplest of terms, this is intended to sort of listen in on what are alleged to be foreign terrorists or those speakingterrorists. the fear is that you may end up hearing americans in the course of the process. some law enforcement officials say that wouldn't be a bad thing. that's where the concern goes. i want to ask about the political side of the conversations. we know the house speaker, mike johnson, heads to mar-a-lago this afternoon. he and former president trump will talk about preventing non-citizens from voting. it's already illegal for non-citizens to vote. what do you make of this effort and this appearance? >> reporter: it seems largely performative. you are right, it's against the law for non-citizens to vote in american elections. of course, election integrity is

something that donald trump continues to harp on. he believes that he won the 2020 election, despite all the evidence to the contrary. it's become a litmus test for rank and file republicans if they want to continue to curry favor with the former president, they have to find a way to at least show some sort of deference to him when it comes to his belief that elections in the united states are not conducted fairly. mike johnson needs donald trump. the vast majority of his house republican caucus is very much aligned with donald trump. they will do whatever donald trump says. he is nervous about his job. there's this pending motion to vacate that marjorie taylor greene has ready to go. it would take a handful of republicans to support her in her effort to vacate the chair. mike johnson's job would be in jeopardy. he hopes by going to mar-a-lago and cozying up to donald trump that that will keep some of this threat at bay. of course, there's the vote today on fisa that endangers mike johnson. then the bigger concern is whether or not he puts ukraine

aid on the floor. something that the national security community believes is vital to democracy around the world. johnson seems open to it. conservative republicans are very much opposed to it. he would need donald trump's cover if he were to bring that to the floor and still keep his job. that's part of what he is hoping to accomplish today in palm beach. >> ryan, so many good points, not the least of which is donald trump needs stability from the house conference as well. he is the presumptive nominee, responsible for new chaos we witness there. ryan nobles, thanks. coming up, katy tur will speak to joe manchin about the fisa bill's prospects and the 2024 campaign. that's at 3:00 eastern. see it all right here on msnbc. humanitarian crisis. the renewed push to aid millions caught in the crossfire of what is a brutal year-long civil war

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n the walmart vitamin aisle today. we're back on "andrea mitchell reports." monday marks the one-year anniversary of the brutal civil war between military and paramilitary forces in sudan which forced millions from their homes. now the u.s. is asking countries in that region to press iran not to get involved.

>> we have had numerous discussions with countries in the region. and in those discussions with countries in the region, we have encouraged them to encourage our countries like iran not to engage. i won't get into what discussions we may or may not have had with iran. >> if you are listening to us on radio, that was the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. she's been sounding the alarm about the humanitarian crisis in sudan, calling it catastrophic and highlighting the fact that people in her words are starving. joining me now is the u.s. special envoy for sudan who just returned from that region. i appreciate you making time to speak to us. we know hundreds of thousands of people have left sudan. they have traveled to neighboring chad to try to escape this awful war. you were at a refugee camp in chad, as i understand it, along the border of sudan. what specifically -- what did

you see there? >> we saw hunger. we saw women and children coming over in thousands saying that they had not had food for days. we saw women traumatized by the sexual violence that's been rampant in the war as a weapon of war. we see a situation that's been fragile for some time getting far worse as we see the fighting escalate. 90% of the people escaping are women and children. the world really has failed to respond. the united states has been the biggest humanitarian donor. even in chad, where refugees had escaped, we were seeing kids own get one meal a day and facing malnourishment. we need much more global attention on this crisis. of course, what we need most is to bring this war to an end. >> no doubt. obviously, that's our desire in having this conversation with you. the u.n. says -- this number was staggering. i had to look it up to make sure we got it right. 25 million people in sudan.

that's half of the population there are in need of humanitarian help. experts warn that more than 200,000 additional children could starve to death. specifically, what needs to be done to help these people? as you know, this is beginning of the agricultural season there, the next several weeks. they need access to agriculture in their own bread basket to help feed those who are going hungry there. >> they do. the french government has gathered a conference on monday for the anniversary for donations to the humanitarian need. we need countries to join us in significantly increasing the humanitarian aid. we do need congress to move forward with bills that would give us a greater ability to do that as well. what we're seeing inside, people need to understand, is that they have burned the harvest season to the ground. you have seen looting of storage inside. many marketplaces are empty of

food. there's no resilieny built in inside. it's a possible of incredible fragility. this is a nation of 50 million people, over half of whom have been displaced and are on the run. we see that putting pressure on neighboring countries. we see a war that has been more or less a two-sided civil war becoming more ethnic, more escalated and potentially more regional. in addition to the horrific humanitarian conditions that we need to respond to, this is also a regional strategic crisis. for those actors that have been part of fuelling that, they need to join us in being partners for peace. we need to see contributions coming in from around the world to meet this humanitarian need, as you said, with the rainy season coming. those access issues and the spread of disease are only going to become even more pronounced. >> obviously, this is to so many americans a foreign issue if you are trying to make better sense of this. you have two warring parties.

they have been fighting. it's a power struggle where the people of the country have been the ones who have been badly impacted in the middle. i want to ask you about the u.n. ambassador being so outspoken about sexual violence in particular and how it has become a weapon of war. women and girls, some as young as 14, have been brutally raped by paramilitary fighters there. what are the consequences for any of these perpetrators? >> the conditions are horrific. we see reports of slavery where people take young girls and force families to buy them back or else they will be traded, sometimes trafficked. we are seeing a generation completely terrorized. we are seeing stories of incredible courage. they have created cash apps and ways to feed people in some of the areas where that can make a difference. we see people who are continuing to be journalists and document

abuses on the ground at great risk to themselves. the attacks on humanitarian workers. this is also a story of great courage and innovation. but the scale of the horrors is really tremendously shocking. also, as someone who was in darfur 20 years ago when the genocide was underway, there you had the world's attention. i think what i hear so often from people who are able to escape the horrors is they almost feel traumatized a second time by getting outside sudan and realize no one was watching or listening. we appreciate this coverage and in the buildup to the anniversary, we need to see that humanitarian support but also diplomatic pressure on the actors to hand people back the future that they won five years ago in an incredibly inspiring revolution to push out the beshear regime and put the country on the path to inclusive democracy. >> the u.s. special envoy for sudan. i appreciate you making time to speak to us.

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the white house insists its support for israel is ironclad as that country braces for possible attacks, something that

could happen within days from iran. the u.s. embassy in jerusalem issuing a security alert telling staffers not to travel outside the country's three major cities amid these concerns that iran will retaliate against israel for what's presumed to have been an israeli strike on an iranian consulate building in syria. benjamin netanyahu stressing on thursday that despite the war in gaza, israel is prepared for scenarios involving challenges in other sectors. joining me now is hala gorani and mark paulogolous, and colin clark. we have good questions. i appreciate our experts being here. hala, what else are we learning from the netanyahu government about how they are preparing for a possible attack? even a likely attack as some

officials describe it. >> reporter: the minister of defense hosted a meeting. they were sending the message the u.s. is ready to support its ally in the middle east, israel, against any attack. as many of our viewers know, this is coming about 11, 12 days after an attack widely attributed to israel on an iranian consular building. killed two senior commanders, five other officials. it happened in a civilian area in the syrian capital. you are seeing aftermath of the strike. it was adjacent to the canadian embassy on one side. iran has vowed to retaliate. the question is, of course, when and how. how, if it goes against intelligence or military targets, military targets, it's

not like the u.s. where you have u.s. military targets peppered around the region where it could take aim at an air base in syria or iraq. this would have to be on israeli territory. if that happens, israel has said that it will retaliate in kind. meaning, it will retaliate against iranian territory. of course, i don't have to tell you that would mean a very, very serious increase in the amount of military activity and tension in the region and would lead to a wider conflagration in the middle east. the big question overhanging there would be, what would the u.s. do? what would the u.s. reaction be? >> it's our reporting based on multiple u.s. officials that the u.s. is discussing what its response would be in case of any strike that takes place in israel. another concern, of course, could be that american forces in

that region in syria or iraq become targets. i was struck by some of the notes you shared with our team, mark. you worked in the past and had experience working with israelis. what goes into the decision making by the israelis when they conduct a strike like this on a consular building like that? of cours it's potentially escalatory. >> the israeli cost/benefit calculations are deliberate. they will look at a target. in this case it was iranian officials in damascus, in a building -- i have walked by there probably 100 times. it was a very pinpointed strike. there were not civilian casualties. the casualties were the iranian officials. they are going to calculate, if we do this, there's great benefit. they fully recognize the cost. the cost will be iranian retaliation. at times, they would say things such as, we may lose an embassy, we may get attacked for this.

the israelis go about this in a deliberative manner. in their mind, the targets were worth what's coming now, iranian retaliation. the question is, where, when, how? one quick point, both intelligence communities in the united states and israel are focused on this with human sources, signals intelligence, with imagery of iranian military facilities to see what's coming in the next 24 or 48 or 72 hours. >> i speak to national security officials and white house officials. i know this is top of mind for all of them right now. i do want to ask about this and the fears as it relates to iran. one i keep hearing is the potential for a drone strike of some kind that may be able to evade the israeli defense effort more than other strikes. what do you think we should be worried about? >> iran has got a lot of options.

long-range missiles, drones. i would say not only drones, but a drone swarm which makes it more difficult to counter what we call unmanned aerial systems. there's an array of proxy groups the iranians have worked through for a long time, including houthis, hezbollah, they could conduct a terrorist attack. no shortage of options for the iranians. a response likely brings what's been a low boil regional war up a couple of notches. danger for escalation. >> that's the fear is that fear of escalation. the sencom director visited. the u.s. is trying to put pressure on israel as it relates to gaza. they are trying to say, we stand with you as it relates to iran. >> reporter: i think those two

things are linked. what's happening in gaza and what's happening with iran. colin mentioned the houthis who have been mounting attacks against the shipping routes as well. all of this is kind of related. it could potentially, as we have noted, lead to a major escalation. as we have all studied these conflicts in the middle east, it takes one miscalculation for a huge explosion to involve then countries in the same way it happened in 2006, between hezbollah and israel. i think this is something that the sencom commander is concerned about as well. the israeli military canceled leave for some of its reservists. they are very active on the northern border with lebanon where hezbollah and israel have been trading -- have been engaged in cross-border fire now for several months. there is concern. that has to be something that

the general has spoken to the defense minister about. >> we appreciate your reporting on the ground. we hope you stay safe. both of you, we thank you. we want to get to breaking news. we will take you back to capitol hill. they wrapped up a vote on that amendment to the fisa, that warrantless surveillance bill. ryan nobles is back with us. what did we hear? >> reporter: a remarkable development. something we rarely, if ever see. that was that the vote on this amendment that would require warrants attached to 702 failed, but the final vote was a tie, 212 to 212. a tie in this case means that the measure is not passed. the national security and intelligence communities of the bidn administration have to be breathing a huge sigh of relief. this was nearly something that had enough votes to pass and

would have changed dramatically the way they approach the surveillance of foreign individuals who they believe have ties to terrorism and are potential threats to the country. what they means is there's still a number of other amendment votes that are less controversial that will be tied to the final passage of this bill. they will vote on final passage of the bill and it will go to the senate. the fact that this amendment was not attached to or will not be attached to the final passage means it's much more likely to pass the senate. it seems very likely that the fisa program will be reauthorized for at least two more years. that's also and important distinction. the original reforms to this plan and reauthorization was going to be for a five-year period. that was something house republicans didn't want. it's something donald trump was opposed to. this would now make it only a two-year extension, meaning that whichever administration comes after this current administration, whether it be president biden being re-elect

order former president donald trump winning, they will be charged with the future of the fisa program. regardless, pretty dramatic moment. there was a bit of vote flipping at the very end to get this to where it finally landed. 212-212 the final vote. we will see now if the final passage happens in just the next few minutes. >> you hear about a lot of tie votes on the senate side. that's when kamala harris comes into play. on the house side, i can't think of the last time we saw that. ryan nobles, appreciate your reporting from there. the vice president traveling to arizona at the center of the abortion debate. her message is simple, trump is to blame. we will have all of it next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" here on msnbc. ♪♪ you know that thing your family does? yeah, that thing. someone made it a thing—way back in the day.

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fight over that state's supreme court ruling that a civil war era law criminalizing with no exceptions is legal, donald trump is scrambling. earlier this week, he said the issue should be left to states. now telling reporters that the decision goes too far. it comes as kamala harris is heading to arizona for a campaign event where she will take the gloves off. expected to speak on the subject of reproductive freedom. according to excerpts shared by the campaign, she will pin the blame on donald trump. she will say, the overturning of roe was a seismic event. this ban in arizona is one of the biggest aftershocks yet. we must understand who is to blame. it is the former president, donald trump. she goes on to say, here is what a second trump term looks like, more bans, more suffering, less

freedom. joining us from tucson is yamiche alcindor as well as kimberly atkins stohr. yamiche, to you in arizona. this is going to happen late this afternoon. we have a sense of what she's planning to do. how are health care providers and patients in arizona feeling this week? what do you expect to hear from the vice president as she specifically addresses those concerns? >> peter, there's really a lot of fear and anxiety and sadness when you talk to health care providers and people impacted by this ruling by the state supreme court to say that a near total ban of abortion is enforceable. i talked to a doctor who has been providing abortion care. he feels compelled to speak out because so many of his patients are worried about this. listen to what he told me.

>> it's just something i never imagined we would come to. i have always seen, in the course of my life, progress being made towards people's freedoms. and to have this occur at this point in time is mind boggling to me. >> he told me that he often sees women who are victims of sexual violence. he sees women dealing with homelessness, addiction. he feels like he is compelled to help them. this is his life's work. the vice president is coming here. she wanted this to be a campaign event. the distinction is it's not an official event. now she can take the gloves off. she wants to aggressively name check former president trump. she will say he is the architect of this health care crisis. she's going to say she's going to do everything possible to make sure that states like arizona and others, that they are protected and have abortion

access. she's going to go after the former president here. it does underscore how big of an issue abortion has become during this election year. >> kim, if i can ask you -- the biden campaign released a new ad. it goes after mike johnson and the former president, donald trump. it intertwines johnson's support for abortion restrictions with trump's comments about his role in overturning roe. what do you make of this strategy, trying to use trump and other republicans' own words against them? it give going as they heavily focus on the issue of reproductive rights heading into the fall. >> right, peter. i mean, there are few places where you can draw such a stark distinction between these two campaigns than on the issue of abortion. as you mentioned, donald trump and his own campaign stumping has said repeatedly -- took credit for the overturning of

roe versus wade, and he is correct in doing that because it is his three appointees to the u.s. supreme court, which gave it its super majority that allowed it to overturn roe v. wade without even the vote of the chief justice to go that far. that's exactly what that campaign should be pointing out. and to add to mike johnson took into consideration if there is an appetite, whether or not actually there's an appetite in congress to three to pass a nationwide abortion ban, we already know that backers, you know, religious right members and backers from people -- from organizations like the federalist society want to use the comstock act, which like the arizona law was passed in the 1800s to really make access to abortion difficult in all 50 states. we're not just talking one state at a time like donald trump is saying. he's walking back his stated

support for a nationwide support ban. he knows electorally that's bad in november, but that's exactly what's on the agenda. >> arizona is not just a presidential battleground. it is a congressional battleground, specifically as it relates to the senate, kari lake there trying to win back a republican seat. she has been very strong in the past in her support of what she once called a great law. she said she's opposed to the stakes from this decision well beyond the top of the ticket. >> that's completely true and you have someone like kari lake who's dealing with republicans who are confronting her about changing her position. she had at one point saying it was a great law and now she's saying it's wrong and out of step. he got into an event where antiabortion activists and people who are pro restricting abortion rights, they asked kari lake why are you switching your

opinion. it really tells you republicans are very worry about this issue of abortion hurting their chances on down tickets along with the presidential race. peter. >> yamiche alcindor in arizona for us, kimberly atkins stohr joining us. we have some news to share with you that we've just learned. journalism today has lost a real legend. "the new york times" and "washington post" reporting that robert macneil has died. he was 93 years old. such a familiar face for so many americans for so long. he worked at nbc news at the start of his career. he was a reporter in dallas when president kennedy was assassinated, starting what was a long career spanning decades including the launch of what became the pbs news hour alongside his beloved co-host jim lair. robert macneil was 93 years old. next here, unique perspective, what bob costas told savannah and hoda about his

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one day since the death of o.j. simpson. many are looking back at the former football star's life and his downfall, remembering where they were during that notorious chase with the white bronco and simpson's acquittal after nearly a year-long trial. bob costas spoke to my "today" show colleagues about how costas believed simpson was guilty of the double murders but at the same time says mistakes were made in the handling of the case. listen. >> we can hold multiple truths in our head at the same time, even if some of those truths at the time confused people who

were inclined to view it through an emotional prism, rather than a rational prism. it is simultaneously true that there's a long history of injustice by the justice system toward african americans, and that continued well into the 1990s and to some extent continues today, and the simpson situation was not long after the rodney king situation with the beating caught on camera and then those officers were acquitted, and there was a lot of tension, to put it mildly, between the african american community and the l.a.p.d. all those things are true. it's also true that mark fuhrman was a racist and lied about it, and then it was revealed that he used the n word. it was also true as a very skillful defense team was able to present, that some of the chain of custody on the evidence was mishandled. there were mistakes there. all those things can simultaneously be true and it's also true that it's impossible to even postulate that anyone other than o.j. simpson

committed these crimes. the evidence, both circumstantial and hard evidence is overwhelming, and there is no other explanation. >> it was a really compelling conversation. costas also shared an interesting anecdote from a prison visit with o.j. simpson, where al cowlings was also there, listen. >> almost out of nowhere, al cowling says we tried to call you from the back of the bronco, and i later learned that, in fact, they called the control room at the studio, but since i was at madison square garden, since no one was there, the whole crew wasn't there, but a tech answered the phone eventually and o.j. said i need to speak to bob costas and the tech didn't believe him. yeah, right, who's calling? o.j. simpson, yeah, right. click, hung up the phone. so i asked o.j. what would make you think in this moment that you'd want to speak with me? and he said i was being defamed by the media. not so much about the

allegations, which were then fresh, about the allegations of the crime, but that his overall character and the life he had led was being defamed, and somehow he thought that someone who was his friend as well as his colleague could perhaps in effect act as a character witness. and what i didn't bother to tell him since it was a moot point that if he had gotten through to me and in he had agreed to go on the air, then i would have had to ask him some very pointed questions. >> it's been almost 30 years since that chase. what an interview with bob costas today who of course knew o.j. simpson well. that will do it on this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." you can follow the show on mitchell reports. i'll see you tomorrow morning on "weekend today." my friend chris jansing and "chris jansing reports" begins right now. ♪♪ good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. showdown in a florida