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denial about it without addressing the reasons why is going to lead to failure. so we have to come to grips whether we like it or not, whether we think it's factually based or founded in reality is not the issue. the issue is this intimate is very real to the people to turn out and you've got to figure out a way to address it. >> people who feel unseen should not be scapegoated asked the subject of indignation they need to be spoken to and considered in the conversation. always doing the essential work here, it's great to see you on set. that is our show for tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. i am very, very defendant in the legal ground that we stand on with this executive order. and, you know, if somebody wants to challenge that, go right ahead. if the 1864 ban is repealed, we're still stuck with the 2022 ban, and the bottom line is that
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these decisions should not be between a person who needs health care and the government and politicians. it should be between a woman and her doctor, that is the ultimate goal right there. >> arizona governor katie hobbs yesterday highlighting her executive orders to prevent abortion-related prosecutions as her state is now at the center of the fight for reproductive care. we'll have the latest on efforts to repeal that state's controversial abortion ban in just a moment. also ahead, donald trump's hush money trial is still on track to start on monday, and now we're learning who may take the witness stand. and we'll look back on the life of o.j. simpson, one of the most divisive figures in modern american history. good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this friday,
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april 12th. i'm jonathan lemire. we made it to friday. thanks for starting your day with us. we will begin here with this headline. the first criminal trial of a former american president is set to get under way on monday. this is history around the corner. despite repeated attempts by donald trump's legal team to delay the proceedings, jury selection in the hush money case will begin in a manhattan courtroom. the trial will center on allegations that trump try today conceal payments to adult film star stormy daniels in an effort to cover up an affair that would have been damaging during that year's election. nbc news has obtained a list of potential prosecution witnesses. it includes stormy daniels as well as former trump fixer michael cohen. former trump spokesperson hope hicks could also be among those called. prosecutors say she was on phone calls with trump and cohen around the time of the payments.
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the list also includes several former trump organization employees. donald trump could potentially take the stands in his own defense at some point during the trial, estimated to take about 6 weeks or so. we'll have much more on this later in the show. to politics now. vice president kamala harris will travel to arizona today just three days after that state's supreme court ruled that an 1864 law criminalizing nearly all abortions can indeed be enforced. while in arizona the vice president is expected to underscore the stakes of the 2024 election for abortion health care and reproductive freedom. harris is also expected to emphasize that tuesday's ruling by arizona's high court was made possible by former president donald trump. earlier this week trump bragged he was proudly the person responsible for overturning roe v. wade, which opened the door to abortion health care bans in several states across the
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country including now arizona. yesterday the biden-harris re-election team announced a new paid media blitz including an additional seven-figure investment this month targeting the state of arizona and key voters focused on abortion rights. meanwhile, arizona republican senate candidate kari lake has made calls to state lawmakers in an effort to repeal this abortion ban. that's according to a republican legislator who told nbc news they received a call from lake. on wednesday the gop-controlled house shutdown discussion on a proposal to overturn the law. lawmakers will not meet again until next wednesday. in the wake of this week's ruling, lake has flip-flopped on the issue and is now trying to project a more moderate stance. >> this total ban on abortion that the arizona supreme court just ruled on is out of line with where the people of this
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state are. the issue is less about banning abortion and more about saving babies. i agree with president trump, this is such a personal and private issue. i chose life, but i'm not every woman. i want to make sure that every woman who finds herself pregnant has more choices so that she can make that choice that i made. >> lake using her trademark soft filter in that new ad. just to be clear that's not at all what she was saying two years ago when she was running for governor. lake said then she totally opposed abortion, abortion pills, and called the 1864 statute a great law. elsewhere in politics house speaker mike johnson will meet with former president trump today at his mar-a-lago estate. the two are expected today deliver a joint press conference, though let's be clear we don't know if they'll take questions.
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the subject election integrity. this meeting at mar-a-lago comes as johnson is struggling to get his party to rally around a legislative agenda, one that trump has been helping to undermine. johnson is also facing threats of being ousted by georgia representative marjorie taylor greene and a few other far right wingers. the biden campaign released this statement ahead of today's meeting writing in part, the american people do not need to hear a lecture on election integrity from two men who tried to overturn the 2020 election. it should come as no surprise that two losers, one trying to keep his job, one trying to get his old job, are teaming up to spread lies and misinformation. joining us now politics editor for bloomberg news, laura davidson. good to see you this morning. you've been following this meeting today between trump and johnson at mar-a-lago. it comes as we note when
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johnson's hold on his job is tenuous. donald trump didn't save him. two parter here. first of all, tell us where the trump-johnson dynamic is like in terms of speakership. but also what do we think we're going to hear from them today? >> this is transactional politics at its finest. trump's team is not pleased by these efforts to try to oust johnson from his job. they just think it'll bring chaos and distract in a presidential election year, and they don't want to go through what happened last october when mccarthy was ousted and it was several weeks of republicans fighting amongst themselves to try to find a leader. trump also gets something out of this. he gets to bring johnson down there, remind him, he, himself, trump is the top guy in the party and remind him of his policy positions which differ on different things, on abortion, on ukraine aid and fisa, which a procedural vote failed
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yesterday. this is really both men getting to -- to get their political goals met here. what this looks like is interesting, and they are expected to talk about this legislation to move forward that would ban noncitizens from voting. i'll note noncitizens are already barred from voting in the u.s., but that will be the political story they can go out and potentially take questions and if they do, expect there to be lots of questions on abortions particularly after the arizona ruling this week. >> thank you for that fact check and the meeting here, the timing is such many people on the hill think next week could be make-or-break for ukraine aid funtding. i'm sure trump will try to influence johnson on that today. everything is shadowed by abortion. he heads to pennsylvania tomorrow, where he'll attend a fund-raiser and hold a rally. he hasn't had too many of late. pennsylvania obviously a key battleground this time around.
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how does the campaign feel about the state they won in-16? >> pennsylvania is one of the states in michigan and wic, this blue wall where biden has been doing better in the polls most recently. it's no surprise trump is going there to remind voters about himself. it's very noteworthy the biden campaign has been very organized and deliberate about opening field offices and kind of getting their ground operation setup, while trump is far behind on that. he's spending more time trying to raise money, recommending more money raising money while biden is spending money on the ground trying to convince to raise money for voters. >> your latest piece for bloomberg carries this headline. trump allies are losing their luster as a key campaign tool. it's so striking. these rallies are frankly a political phenomenon of the last decade or so in terms of whooping up enthusiasm, also collecting data. why are they less effective this time around? >> yeah, so we've really seen a shift in what these rallies
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were. in '16 an '20 they were a novelty. we saw a big bump in fund-raising a week orsy around the rally. that is not so this cycle. that fund-raising bump is essentially gone. really when trump sees more online fund-raising come in around key dates in his trials, in his court cases, so the rallies just aren't having the same effect. it has this more feel of groupies, the same people show up time and time again, so the campaign is picking smaller venues, they're spending less money on these because they're realizing they're not getting what they were four or eight years ago. >> we can if that changes as the general election kicks up. you're right he's having far fewer of them because they're too expensive as the campaign struggles with funds. politics reporter for bloomberg, laura, thank you. >> still ahead on "way too early," oj simpson, the former
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nfl ledge nld acquitted of double murder in a case that captivated the nation has died. what his family is saying about his final moments and reaction -- split reaction across the country to his death. >> plus donald trump has repeatedly said he wants to repeal the affordable care act. we'll take a look at what he is now saying amid new attacks from the biden campaign. those stories and a check on sports and the weekend weather forecast when we come right back. weather forecast when we come right back
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welcome back. o.j. simpson, the former nfl star who was acquitted of murdering his ex-wife and her friend in a trial that gripped the nation has died following a battle with cancer. nbc news senior investigative and legal correspondent cynthia mcfadden has more.
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>> reporter: the trial of the century and the death of the man at the center, o.j. simpson, brings back the long les of a trial that concluded nearly 30 years ago. >> we just, in the above entitled action find the defendant orrinthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. >> reporter: that not guilty verdict in the brutal murders of his former wife and mother of two children nicole brown simpson and her friend, reverberated around the country met by outrage by many who believe he was guilty and there was a mountain of evidence that proved it. >> when this prosecution came, we didn't lose today. i deeply believe this country lost today. justice was not served. >> while many in black america
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cheered what they saw as justice so often denied in their community finally done. the nation had been captivated just five days after the murders on friday night when 95 million tv viewers watched as simpson in a white bronco driven by a former teammate led officers on an hours long low speed chase reportedly holding a gun to his own head. >> he had been charged with two counts of homicide. >> reporter: finally, he surrendered to police. within months, simpson went to trial, which was broadcast daily, much of the public following each day's testimony. judging the evidence in the eight-month trial for themselves. >> i did not, could not, and would not have committed this crime. >> reporter: the trial highlighted many of the fractures in the country's legal system bringing together celebrities, rapes, and the power of money. the defense dubbed the dream team was made up of super lawyers who were able to undermine the state's scientific
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evidence while also capturing the jury's attention with their mastery of courtroom theatrics. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> reporter: and the jury did acquit, a man who until the trial had led what appeared to be an accomplished life. he rose from poverty becoming one of the greatest football players to ever play the game. a college star at usc, heisman trophy winner, and record setting player with the buffalo bills. he became known as "the juice yates. he went onto star in commercials and television and movies. and while he was acquitted of murder, his life afterwards spiralled downward. in a civil lawsuit he was ordered to pay over $33 million to the victim's families. most of that debt left unpaid. he returned to court multiple times over the next several years to travel violations, even pirating cable tv. but it was in 2008 simpson said
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he was taking back personal stolen property that ultimately sent him to prison. >> count one, conspiracy to commit a crime, guilty. >> reporter: he served nine years. he died in '76 from cancer. his family said he was surrounded by his children and grand children. fred goldman, ron goldman's father, did not mince words. it's no great loss to the world. it's a further reminder of wrongs being gone. >> our thanks to nbc's cynthia mcfadden for her reporting. meanwhile, after eight years of vowing to repeal the affordable care act without offering a viable replacement plan, donald trump now says he only wants to make obamacare better. in a video posted to truth social yesterday trump claimed president biden is misrepresenting his position on the plan representing 40 million americans. take a look. >> i'm not running to terminate
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the aca as crooked joe biden says all over the place. i'm running to close the border, stop inflation, make our economy great, strengthen our military, and make the aca or obamacare as it's sometimes known much better, stronger, and far less expensive because it's much too expensive now, and it's not very good. >> despite trump's claims there as recently as november he wrote on social media that he was looking at alternatives to the aca, and he bemoaned the failure of a 2017 senate vote to repeal it. we should also point out in his video yesterday, trump said terminating obamacare was not his reason for running, but not that he wouldn't do it if he is re-elected. and a quick note before we go to break, my book, "the big lie" an instant "the new york times" best-seller will be out in paper back with new material that traces how election lies, those 2020 election lies have come to dominate the republican
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party and will dictate donald trump's political and legal future and shape the outcome of this year's election. new material there. we'll talk more about the book as that release date approaches may 7th for the paper back. as always appreciate you reading. still ahead here, we'll turn to sports with highlights from the start of the masters. plus federal prosecutors reveal stunning details behind the arrests of the former interpreter for los angeles dodgers superstar shohei ohtani. those stories and a look at the weekend forecast when we come right back. a ok at the weekend forecast when we come right back you didn't live this strong, this long to get put on the shelf like a porcelain doll. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and are at high risk for fracture,
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39-year-old ippei mizuhara, according to an affidavit he's alleged to have made 19,000 wagers with the book maker between december of 2021 and january of 2024, averaging nearly 25 bets per day with an average bet of almost $13,000. during that period records reflect total winning bets of more than 142 million, but yet losses of nearly 183 million, leaving a net loss of more than $40 million. prosecutors say the contact information on ohtani's bank account allegedly was changed to link the account on mizuhara's phone number and to an anonymous e-mail address that has since been connected to mizuhara. he's also accused of calling the bank and identifying himself as ohtani to fool employees into authorizing wire transfers from that account to people linked to the illegal gambling operation there in the state of
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california. records from the investigation do not reflect any bets on baseball games. however, prosecutors say they found more than $325,000 in transactions on ebay and what not believed to be used to buy collectible baseball cards with the the intent to resell them at a later date. mizuhara's attorney and representatives for ohtani all declined to comment yesterday. attorneys say there's no evidence he was aware of mizuhara's actions. a stunning story there. we turn now to the links and augusta national. liv's golf's dechambeau with a one-strike advantage over world number one scotty scheffler. play was suspended around 8:00 p.m. eastern because of darkness with 27 golfers still on the
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course including five time masters champion tiger woods. he was 1 under. after the first round is set to resume later this morning with golfers teeing off with round 2 shortly afterwards. and here's a story that hits close to home. tom brady might be having second thoughts about his retirement from football. in an appearance the seven-time super bowl champion quarterback he opened the door at least a little bit to a potential nfl comeback. >> let's say one day it is a situation maybe it's the 49ers, maybe head to it playoffs, offense is great. >> patriots, raiders, never know. >> god forbid somebody goes down, would you pick up that phone? >> i'm not opposed to it. i don't know if they let me if i become an own arin an nfl team. i'm always going to be in good shape, could come in for a
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little bit. i don't know if they'd let me, but i don't know i'd be opposed to it. >> fingers crossed. time now for the weather. angie lassman with the forecast and a lot of rain on your screen. >> doesn't he ever want to relax? >> apparently never. >> we've got a lot of rain parts of the great lakes stretching to the north east. it's going to be a soggy start to your morning so grab your umbrella. you'll want it. the commute might be a little rough with more of that rain working through today. anywhere from a quarter of an inch to half an inch not substantial by any means, but also see melting snow because of temperatures in parts of new england. that's going to add to the flooding concern. wind alerts up and gusts anywhere from 30 to 40 to 50 miles per hour through the day today in places like new york and elkens and up through buffalo. it's going to be a gusty one. the system will finally move out here as we get into the later parts of the day today, but notice these wraparound showers that are still going to be impacting that same region. those will start to taper off
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mostly. parts of northern new england still dealing the rain and potentially a bit of snow as we get into the day tomorrow. meanwhile the weekend looks like great conditions for the country. we have another pacific storm going to work its way in the coming days. just a heads up we've got severe weather potential as we get started next week. >> angie lassman, thank you. have a good weekend. still ahead on "way too early," house speaker mike johnson is reportedly in talks with the white house about advancing aid to ukraine. we'll talk to former congresswoman jane hurman about that and the situation in kyiv. we'll be right back. be right ba.
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welcome to "way too early." it is 5:31 a.m. on the east coast, so 2:31 out west on this friday morning. we have almost made it to weekend. i'm jonathan lemire. thank you for being with us. we will turn now to the war in ukraine where a major power plant near the nation's capital was struck by russian missiles and drones yesterday. reuters reports the facility was destroyed. it previously operated as a thermal power plant that ran on coal. this comes as intense fighting continues on the front lines ahead of an expected russian offensive some time this spring or summer. civilians piled into subway terminals below the streets of kyiv to take shelter. house speaker mike johnson faces a rebellion within a part of his own conference over ukraine aid. his majority leader says he's
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negotiating a path forward with the white house over an assistance package. according to congressman steve scalise, johnson is working with the white house on a plan that would deviate from the senate passed aid package. some options floated by republicans include turning the aid into loans, selling russian assets to generate funding and pressure in the white house to relax climate moves in exchange for support for the war torn nation. joining us now former democratic congresswoman jane herman. she's chair of the bipartisan congressional commission on national defense strategy and just recently returned from ukraine. congresswoman, let's start there. tell us a little bit about what you saw, just how dire a situation. >> just a week ago, jonathan, i was in kyiv for two days with this commission on national defense strategy. we were there to visit the defense industrial base in kyiv to see how the ukrainians -- it's quite impressive -- are
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building low cost drones, more advanced drones, and tanks as well as trying to develop other technologies on their own to help win this war. there were no hits to power plants while we were there in kyiv, but we were told that the russians now are trying to hit power plants all over ukraine. the big problem is there is no new u.s. aid. with all the stuff they're making, they still don't have air cover that's necessary to block their missiles from hitting these important targets. we need to be acting yesterday to provide this aid and this endless delay in the house two months after the senate passed its bill by 79 votes out of 100 with 22 republicans in support is intolerable and embarrassing to the united states of america. >> so you're obviously very familiar with the legislative
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process, so let's get your thoughts on what mike johnson is doing right now. you know, talking to the white house off and on for a while, although the white house has said, look, pass the senate bill. we don't want you to renegotiate something new. at the same time johnson is going to mar-a-lago today and going to talk to donald trump who's in spoirt of this sort of aid. so where do you see this going? >> well, i think johnson will finally get to yes on some version of the bill. if it's not the senate bill as you were hinting, jonathan, then the senate has to pass the house bill and that's more and more delays. every single day this is delayed ukrainians are dying. they're dying for their freedom and also dying for our freedom. and there's no question in my mind the next target wins at least if russia gains territory and gains confidence and gains weapons, let's go there from
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china, iran, and north korea, russia will keep moving through ukraine into nato countries. and when it gets into nato countries one of them at least will invoke article 5, the common defense provision, and we will be in a land war with russia. that's got to be worse, it's much more expensive and it's totally avoidable. what johnson is now talking about is new fig leaves. part of the aid will be loans. what does that do? it makes it harder for ukraine to deal with international institutions like the imf. he's talking about using some of the seized russian assets. i'm fine with that, frankly, but the europeans are very reluctant, and most of those assets are in brussels, and that would be somewhat difficult to access. but the other thing is he's talking about is maybe renewing lng exports to europe. i would be fine with that piece. it's just fig leaves over fig leaves over fig leaves and
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excuses. and my bottom line here is his legacy or doing the right thing ought to be more important than keeping his job. he's going to lose his job anyway in a month or two over some other reason given this one -- one person being able to vacate -- move to vacate his seat. >> an important conversation. thank you. former democratic congresswoman jane harmine, we appreciate it. still ahead we'll go live to cnbc for an early look what's driving wall street. plus the european central bank holds interest rates steady and signals that cuts are on the way. we'll dig into what that could mean for the u.s. as the federal reserve here deals with higher than expected inflation numbers. we'll be right back. d inflation. we'll be right back.
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silvia amaro who joins us live from london. silvia, good to see you. stock futures slightly higher this morning as investors look ahead to the release of corporate earnings from some major u.s. banks. give us a sense what's driving the markets to start this friday. >> so no doubt, john, there's quite a lot of focus on these upcoming banking earnings because they could suggest what they're also expecting for the rest of the year. for the year it's very important to talk about monetary policy. that could have implications in the way banks perform this year. let's see what they have to say. just quick recap for our viewers we actually saw wall street basically ending thursday's station on a higher note. we saw the nasdaq posting a fresh record close, and all of this because there was actually quite a lot of focus on tech stocks. we saw apple shares in particular up by about 4% at the end of the session amid reports
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they are considering overhauling their product. also what's happening on the tech front. >> central banks across the world including the federal reserve here in the u.s. continue to wrestle with when to potentially cut interest rates in the wake of inflation and the like. but europe, though, seemingly ready to move. give us the update, please. >> so when we heard from the central european bank yesterday and reading between the lines they kept the door open for a potential first rate cut in june. that matters because when you compare the ecb with the fed, it seems that we are looking at different speeds in terms of potentially cutting rates. and in fact, during the press conference kristen leguard got a lot of questions about this difference in speed between the ecb and the fed. ultimately, though, worth
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keeping in mind if the ecb moves a lot faster compared to the fed when it comes to reducing rates, that could put pressure on the currencies. we could see a lower euro and a stronger dollar. and of course that's also important for both central banks, really, as they assess the outlook for monetary policy. but just a final point to say that kristen leguard made it very clear that for the ecb what matters is european data. and if they're ready to move to cut those rates, they will regardless of what the fed is doing. >> all right, we will stay on that in the weeks ahead. cnbc's silvia amaro live from london, thank you. have a good weekend. still ahead here, the justice department is trying to crack down on the so-called gun show loophole. we'll explain what it means for firearms dealers when "way too early" returns. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? i don't have a problem with my memory." memory loss is, is not something that occurs overnight.
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show loophole. the term refers to the exemption in federal law that allows private sellers at gun shows and elsewhere to sell firearms without conducting background checks. yesterday the doj submitted new regulations to the federal register making so that anyone, quote, engaged in the business of selling guns must register as a federally licensed firearms dealer and conduct background criminal and mental health checks on buyers. the rule set to take effect in a month but will likely face legal challenges and push back on capitol hill. the biden administration's latest effort on guns. joining us now democratic congressman morgan mcgarvey of kentucky. thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. wednesday marked one year since a gunman opened fire at a bank in your district there in louisville, kentucky. a shooting killed five people and injured ten others including
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multiple police officers. where are we as a country when it comes to enacting reasonable gun reform? polls show measures like this popular. why is it so hard to get anything done? what do you make of yesterday's announcement? >> i'm really excite pd about yesterday's announcement because it's going to keep our communities safer, going to keep our kids safer. you should have to have a background check to buy a firearm in this country. but, you know, joined the long list of cities who experienced a mass shooting. in the wake of that tragedy as a member of the gun prevention task force in d.c. i was going with my colleagues and talking one-on-one but actually saying where can you meet us on this, where can we actually make progress to keep our country safer? i had great conversations, but time and time again i was told some version of the same thing. yeah, we need to do something. yeah, we can meet you somewhere,
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but the infra opposes it, we ultimately can't vote for it. that is the holdup. it is the gun lobby. it is the gun manufacturers i think that are paralyzing one party in particular in washington from passing these common sense gun reforms that will save lives. >> guns certainly a major issue heading into this year's election. so is abortion. we mentioned earlier in the show vice president harris is headed to arizona today in the wake of that state's ruling that a civil war era law that outlaws nearly all abortions is enforceable. we have seen, congressman, that since roe v. wade was overturned, abortion has been very powerful at the ballot box including red states -- including red states. arizona obviously more of a swing state. what do you hear from your constituents in the red state you represent? and how do they feel about this issue as we barrel into this election? >> yeah, kentucky has one of the most extreme and cruel abortion bans in the country. right now a woman cannot receive
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an abortion even in the cases of rape or incest. and this has really flipped the tables politically. in 2022 we saw a statewide constitutional amendment that would have banned all abortions in our constitution. it failed in kentucky. in 2023 where we re-elected a democratic governor, we saw abortion as an issue, i would have never bet in 2019 or 2020 that you would see abortion as a winning issue for a democratic governor in kentucky in 2023. but this is the effect decision. when you look at how extreme and how cruel arizona's ban is, how many women are going to get hurt by being denied this health care, i think that this is going to have major implications in the 2024 election in arizona. >> we're up against a break, but we'd love to have you back soon. democratic congressman morgan mcgarvey of kentucky, thank you for your voice this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you.
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welcome back. later today in florida, there will be a potentially pivotal hearing involving former president trump's classified documents case. attorneys for his two co-defendants, walt nata and deoliveira. they are said to help the trump hide boxes, then were part of a plot to destroy the evidence of the boxes being destroyed. their attorneys argue they couldn't have joined trump in a scheme to hide the documents nor
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obstruct the investigation because they contend the pair knew nothing about the materials nor the probe itself. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. joyce, we're always grateful when you can join us. let's start there with the classified documents. what should we expect to hear from the co-defendants, the attorneys today? do you think their arguments have any merit? >> well, it's really remarkable that these motions have been set for oral argument in front of the judge, jonathan. this is not the typical use of motions in linine, meant to argue legal arguments. these are essentially about matters of fact, whether or not the government can prove these two defendants had knowledge of what they were doing. that's the sort of issue that is normally left up for a jury to determine at trial. it'll be interesting, in front
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of this judge, whose rules have not always been straight up the middle in the view of legal experts, it'll be interesting to see how she handles these motions. >> seems like another move to stall that trial. unclear when that one will begin, but we do know that trump's hush money trial, barring something completely unforeseen, will start monday. the historic prosecution of a former president and, right now, the republican nominee for president. give us, if you will, your thoughts on the witnesses we might hear from and what these first few days of the trial are going to look like. >> right. it's worth noting you did say barring something unforeseen. donald trump has been so intent on delaying this trial that i'm not certain that he's out of in his quiver. we may see a last-ditch measure to prevent jury selection, which will be on tab. we don't know for how long. it could be days, could be a
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matter of a couple weeks. it'll depend on what the jury pool of potential jurors looks like when they get to work. mostly what we'll see for the early days will be a series of jurors will be brought into the courtroom, reading out loud answers to their jury questionnaires, and then being questioned by the lawyers as they make the effort to separate jurors who can set aside anything that they walk into the courtroom knowing and any personal biases from those who have a bias and can't be included on the jury. >> how long will that process take, seating a jury? >> it's always tough to predict until things get going. the outside expectation here is it could run to weeks, maybe one or two weeks. although, we saw the e. jean carroll jury collection proceedings go quickly.
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not exactly the same court. that was in a slightly different setting in a civil case. but i think that's not a bad proximate view of what will happen here. shifting gears, we spent time earlier in the show on the death of o.j. simpson. this was a trial that gripped the nation like none before and probably none since. want to get your thoughts as an attorney and how -- what you've made of the prosecution, the defense, how they did it, and big picture. how a case like that really transfixed an entire nation. >> perhaps it speaks to the importance of televising major criminal proceedings in this country so that people can see actually what's going on and not just pick up little pieces of the reporting. jonathan, the lasting impact of that case was it really focused americans on the importance of forensic evidence, of scientific evidence. i think we all understand with
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greater clarity because we watched that case happen, that the prosecution does have a serious burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and that defendants do have a meaningful opportunity to push back on prosecutors' allegations. that's the lasting lesson of o.j. simpson for prosecutors and defense lawyers. you know, you've got to make sure the evidence adds up because juries are very careful and very watchful. >> joyce, we mentioned earlier there was the civil case, the goldman family still looking to get paid. they haven't received anywhere near the full amount. could that still now happen in death? could the simpson estate owe them money? >> well, you know, they can try to collect against the estate. in a criminal setting, once a defendant dies, if a defendant dies before a conviction is final, for instance, while it's still on appeal, then that conviction is vacated. here in a civil setting, once
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the judgment is final, it is still collectible. >> we heard from the goldman family yesterday, still anguished about what happened 30 years ago. it can't be said enough, that trial, forensic evidence, we weren't as educated then, but we are now. for reasons, celebrity, race, class, the legal system, that trial nothing like it before or since. we appreciate your analysis this morning. former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance, we'll be talking a lot next week. thank you, joyce. thank you for getting up "way too early" on this friday morning and all week long. "morning joe" starts right now. well, former president trump's hush money trial is set to start on monday, and for the third time in three days, a judge just rejected his attempt to delay it. yup. trump is trying everything, even requested a delay so he can mourn the loss of o.j. that didn't work. >> jimmy fallon last night. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, april the 12th

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