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>> i'll let you know. i feel like by the end of next week i'll have enough credits. >> i'll be seeing you. monday and beyond. >> have a good show. >> absolutely. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. our top story is the criminal trial that donald trump has failed to prevent. this hush money trial will begin monday because trump has lost every effort to delay it. today he attacked the looming trial and mused about the possibility that he could land in jail because of it, a reminder that for all of the sued on bluster, he knows that he'll be back in the courtroom and that's an image from when he was last year. he knows how out of control it is for him. he knows how bad it is for his campaign, duh and he knows a sentence is possible as he muses about getting one. this is a trial of an ex-president. like all trials it begins with

jury selection and then the witnesses who tell the story to the jury. remember, it is different than other forums in life. we've all seen trials aversions of them on tv and as you know, the bulk of it, there can be written evidence and there's material documents and the bulk of it is witnesses answering questions and the jury listening and for months we've had these clues and some of them up on the screen about who the key witnesses could be. >> we know trump aides who have flipped are key to the d.a.'s case like michael cohen. today one knowledgeable source says the d.a. is likely to call big names we've heard about like cohen, hope hicks, maybe stormy daniel happens and those are potential witnesses and there's no formal list that comes out in a written manner during the trial and there are reporting, and the people on the screen have direct contact with trump. they bring that to the witness

stand. if you followed enough trump controversies you may remember one of the ways his team tries to discredit people is they didn't know anything. they weren't there and sometimes the word hearsay gets thrown around. no one will be giving a second hand statement. they can all talk about being in the room when it happened. >> those witnesses would make sense and we won't know until the trial begins and some of the same reporting suggests other d.a. witnesses include less famous individuals who were also crucial to telling the jury what really happened and they are people from the very specific rough-and-tumble world of new york tabloids. people who ran the national enquirer at the key time back in 2016. the people on your screen are incredibly vital to whether or not donald trump is convicted of a felony and possibly sentenced to prison. so they might not be as famous as other people, and fame and television time isn't all it is

cracked up to be. these are three people that will matter a ton and i'll get into why, right now. david pecker and dylan howard basically ran "the enquirer." they are central to the case that there was a known, formal and financed criminal plot to catch and kill these stories. the other name you see there, keith davidson, you may remember was stormy daniels' lawyer at one point. let's start with the tabloid chief pecker, he's one of the chief people that cohen's team says will corroborate michael cohen's damning story against trump. you need corroboration and different witnesses and all of that, in fact, just last night cohen adviser lanny davis was previewing that testimony right here. >> what other witness or witnesses do you think would most clearly corroborate your testimony. >> i will answer your question axe cording to public reports because i was in the room with michael for almost two years while prosecutors were

preparing. >> i know. >> i can tell you there is another major crime that michael was forced to plead guilty to, and he was not involved with the national enquirer someone named david pecker, that he met with trump met with david peck tore do a cash and kill scheme where "the national enquirer" would pay anyone coming with bad information on donald trump before the election. >> that is lanny davis who advises michael cohen. and he's telling you, that's one of the key other witnesses, famous or not. that was a big scandal when the catch and kill plot was first exposed. the question in this trial was whether it was a rhyme and how various witnesses and convicts may credibly give a first-hand account of what went down. now, let's be clear. for most people this is all ancient history, and that will

include most potential jurors who start going through interviews monday. the original contact between ms. daniels and trump goes all of the way back to 2006 and this picture and you see them there at the time. of course, that's long before obama was re-elected and elected and re-elected and long before donald trump responded to obama with birtherism and a political krused a and eventually himself running for office. five years later daniels was considering going public to a kind of magazine, call it a tabloid or a pop culture magazine and she faced threats at the time that she later recounted no article then ran. >> someone had told the story about me and trump to "intouch" magazine in 2011 and the publisher said i had to take a polygraph test. i passed 100% with flying colors. in may of 2011 i was with my

daughter, and i was threatened by someone i didn't know in a parking lot about the trump story, and then the story was never mentioned again. i definitely slept better after that knowing that it was killed and never coming out. >> that's ms. daniels account based on the reality of having gone through it, she slept better at that time when the whole thing kind of went away. here's how it was killed, though. a trump rep told the magazine's general counsel that trump would aggressively pursue legal action if the story was printed as the guardian report and that magazine folded, and i mentioned the political history because at the time if there was one more story about some fading half joke of a reality star then that magazine would not have seen the reason to go get into a whole legal battle about it. so they did fold, but that's not all. that representative for trump at the time was a lawyer named

michael cohen. who was then a very aggressive trump defender. some called him a fixer and he put the heat on that magazine that was doing things trump didn't want. cohen was in pretty much the same role during the 2016 campaign which, of course, now is many years later when then-candidate trump wanted to keep that long-buried story was still buried and it was after access hollywood came out and tapes were on cohen's mind while he did trump's dirty work and all of that would later lead to his conviction anden cars rag, but cohen was making tapes of his discussion with the candidate, now defendant you see in the photo, and the other gentleman there, as i told you, you may be vaguely remembering him and donald trump knew how to get things done and undone in new york and he wanted this man to do the dirty work and cohen had the tape running as they

discussed david pecker who they call, quote, our friend david. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it when it comes time for the financing. >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no. >> you're already doing secret stuff. why would you want records? >> the d.a. can argue trump wanted cash precisely because he wanted to cover his tracks. and while cohen did not ultimately evade accountability, as a lawyer he may have said no, no, no because any lawyer will tell you if you're going to pay a lot of money in cash you're opening up new problems because the people who receive it and the people who hear about it will be able to then tell the irs and others yeah, they just hid it all. tax evasion and other issues can

come up. dylan howard over how they contacted cohen shortly before 2016 election and how cohen reached out with the 130k. that is now evidence in this looming trial of defendant trump. the d.a. is making a couple of bets. one that he has the goods. they say if you shoot at the king you better not miss. remember, d.a. bragg was the first prosecutor to ever show up and actually indict donald trump for anything. others came after him and going first is the toughest. he doesn't want to lose. he is betting that this rather salacious and interesting subject matter and the trail of headlines will help him keep the jury's attention. here was one of them all of the way back in the day courtesy of that same magazine i mentioned to you "in touch." quote, my affair with donald was one of the stories that came out courtesy of daniels. there were secret efforts we later learned to kill headlines like that.

the d.a. will show the headlines. he will show the secret tape i played you and all of this messy drama. so jurors pay attention and they're riveted that it's interesting and you want to people attention of people in court and anywhere else and it was a long-running criminal plot. president trump is presumed innocent. the burden is on the d.a. to not only prove this occurred. some of it clearly did, and not only to prove that it happened, but it was a crime. a an election crime. it has to prove two krims to make the felony stick otherwise this would be a new york business fraud case and it's not good. you don't want to commit business fraud, but to crow create the felony trial the d.a. had to make the campaign link. the d.a. wants to show the

larger pattern that the tabloids tried to kill another potentially damaging story also around campaign season. this one got less attention, but you may recall some of it, a former model who had her own trump story with the same tabloid team on trump's behalf, they argue, managed to buy and bury. >> why do you think they squashed the story? >>. >> back then or now? >> now. >> they -- they didn't want to hurt him. >> do you think it's because of a personal relationship with a guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump? >> correct. >> that friend at ami that's reference to the witness i told you about, david pecker. >> this matters legally because anything that gets into the campaign season gets into a much more serious set of laws. there's a limit on what you can give a candidate under law. you can't go over that limit, and if you know about that limit

and take other measures to try to route around it, that's even worse than just breaking the law because now you're clearly showing evidence and intent to go break it on purpose. in other words, if there's a $2,000 limit you thought you could give three, there's a $3,000 limit to sneak two, four, six, eight, more, you have a problem. what are you each talking about? if it was easy to route the money around entities, countries and people, corruption would be way worse in the united states than it already is. so you can't just say i need my buddies in another company to spend a couple hundred thousand dollar and do that ten, 20 or a hundred times. can you imagine how many people might be willing to go along

with that? here's the allegation, this corporation was, according to the d.a., spending many, many thousands on trump's behalf as a campaign benefit, a kind of secret, illegal, criminal in kind done egg. done egg and that's what we will get from the witnesses at the trial and the burden is on the prosecution. trump's defense whatever it may be including that he was out of the loop or these were overzealous fans, you can't believe when you read in the tabloids, but the d.a. will go forward with this and they have these witnesses and i mentioned that other witness who is not as famous, keith davidson, he was a lawyer for that model. he also represented stormy daniels at one time before lawyer michael avenatti and in our efforts to get the information from all of the sources i told you, we had all of the primary sources we can and if you're watching this and a primary source, get in touch. we'd love to have you on "the

beat" mr. davidson once toldous the beat about this when we were tracking down the evidence about a clearly growing scandal. >> the affairs happened in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum, they knew about me and about stormy at a minimum in 2011. they knew about it in 2013 and '14 and they knew about it when donald trump -- >> they knew about it the whole time and the money only comes out in the end. >> they knew about it and if you want to say this wasn't about the campaign which makes it more likely criminal. we did this just in general back in the day, that witness and we got that early jump on what he would say here in this interview, but that witness was not doing press right now, but might show up in the witness box against trump. he's saying follow the money because the money came through as a campaign matter and if

that's true and the jury agrees, donald trump. >> why do you have to do this the right way and trump saying maybe we just pay in cash. trump did pay him back through eight different check toscoen and they wanted to keep that all secret and they did until it blew up in january 2018. >> a respected newspaper reporting an affair between trump and an adult film star. trump had thissen counter with an adult star stormy daniel. he paid hush mono before the election day. >> the porn star who allegedly paid $130,000 to remain silent. >> in the familiar pattern, trump attacked and deflected. >> you know michael. michael's been on the show a lot. >> we know. he's a good person, let me just tell you that he represents me

like with this crazy stormy daniels deal. he represented me and, you know, from -- >> that's so creepy. that's the first time he said my name. two weeks he said he knew nothing about me or any of that when he was on air force one. >> that's courtesy of a documentary and it gives you a little bit of miss daniels' view going through some of this. that was a long time ago and the incident was an even longer time ago. very few people could see how those events could lead to this first-ever criminal trial of a former president, but most people didn't know about any of this. defendant trump had some inkling it might get out of control. he had his plots. he had his deals. he had his schemes and he had his instinct for how to avoid that. let's just do it in cash and let's be clear about how things work and by the way, the d.a. may make this point to the jury.

those types of plots and tactics and hiding have worked for donald trump in other contexts, in other cases. he certainly delayed and ducked other probes or obfuscated and confused things so much, but that's failed here. so six years out from that wall street journal report first breaking the story and some of these individuals changing in their relationship to donald trump, he goes on trial for the plots with possible witnesses that include three of the men who worked so hard to hide his secrets. the tabloid chief pecker who ducked his own possible indictment, his employee mr. howard and for donald trump the scariest witness, michael cohen who has served prison time for donald trump who now has the key testimony that can get trump convicted and who his lawyer told us last night will be corroborated by many other people. so here we are. and one of the very first

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as we look back on all of this. reporter jacob weisberg who was the first journalist to speak to her in 2016 right after the rnc. daniels sent this confidentiality agreement to weisberg about how things get to press or not and we've called on you before on this. thanks for being here tonight. >> glad to be here, ari. >> seven years later, here we are again. it's amazing. we learned from different witnesses. first, your thoughts as we prepare for the trial. >> well, i think there's a tendency because this is far from the worst thing trump's done to dismiss it as unimportant, but it is important because it was a -- it was a premeditated cover-up plot to influence the election and the timing of the context is very important. after the "access hollywood" tape was released this was a

real vulnerability for trump and that's why he ended up paying the hush money and that's why he ended up doing it in the way he did. i think it's going to be a tough convict for alvin bragg to get because it would be a pretty good defense for trump if he could convince the jury that he paid this money to save his family embarrassment. that would mean that the falsifying business records wasn't tied to an underlying crime. i don't think that's what happened, but wouldn't that be a defense for him? >> yeah. that kind of defense was part of what worked for another candidate with these types of problems who was not well received at the time, john edwards. the jury didn't like him, but didn't think that it was a campaign crime. >> yeah. in that case it was a little more complicated because donors had given the money to pay his -- the woman who had been his mistress with whom he'd had a child out of wedlock and it

ended up being basically impossible to stick that on him. this is a little different because michael cohen's already been convicted of paying this money, the $130,000 that was an illegal campaign contribution because it was the -- pardon the expression, hard money, because it was as you said in your intro piece way over the limit of what anyone including what donald trump himself would be allowed to contribute to his own campaign. >> yeah. that's why there are a lot of different players and i showed the lawyer who represented both mcdougal and daniels saying, well, yeah. we only really saw the money start to pour out in the campaign season that goes to the d.a.'s theory that's bad for trump if you can prove it. here's a new statement from michael cohen. >> when they say to me, well, then why the hell are you doing it? because i am [ bleep ] subpoenaed and i am not going to be the next peter navarro. >> jacob?

>> well, you know, trump is saying you can't trust these sleazy people like michael cohen. his lawyer, it's like the old saw about the definition of chutzpah is someone who murders his parents and pleads for mercy because he's an orphan. trump says how can you believe these sleazy people they're untrustworthy and all of the people who he surrounded himself with. >> i'll give you another definition of chutzpah, claiming it's a witch hunt and spending all your time, energy and lawyer strategy on running from it. i briefly mentioned the post he did today. he looks quite concerned that he's going to be on trial for the first time. >> yeah. i mean, around trump there's so much of what i think the late senator moynihan famously defined deviancy down which is c minor compared to other things so why would you really care about them.

just think if this was any other politician, any other politician paid money, orchestrated a cover-up around an affair with a porn star. only donald trump has this kind of immunity and i mean political immunity, not legal immunity from this kind of charge, but if you step back and are less cynical about it i think it's a real case. it looks like a real crime and you know, we'll see what happens at the trial, but i think there's substantial evidence and what we know is pretty persuasive. >> very interesting to get your views on it. jacob weisberg, thank you. coming up, there are other angles you need to know as the trial begins monday and the ban over abortion rights takes a new turn in arizona. stay with us. new turn in arizona. stay with us good to go off the grid. good to go nonstop. with cabenuva, there's no pausing for daily hiv pills.

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i'm denying it because it never happened. that's a lie. >> yes. >> if it was untruthful why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> was it hush money, to stay silent? >> yes. >> it was hush money. we are joined by molly john correspondent for "vanity fair" and msnbc analyst. welcome back. >> thank you. >> we went through a lot of what we got here and some of the memories are coming back to people. >> i told viewers it helps the d.a. that some of this is messy. >> yeah. >> because you keep the jury engaged, but he has to prove more than messy. what are your thoughts as we get ready? >> trump is in the middle of this firestorm with evangelicals where he's trying to say that he is anti-choice, but still keep them, but say he doesn't want a federal ban. he's been all over the place on abortion and you see evangelicals are really mad at him and remember, this is a group he got by having mike pence. mike pence who refused to

endorse now. so now you have this trial of him having -- paying off an adult film star with money that turns out to be a campaign contribution, right? and during after his third wife had just had his fifth child. so as an evangelical, i just -- i think the optics of that are going to be hard to square. >> yeah. and a lot of what has worked for maga is lying to people. the big lie about the election which allows you to have different feelings about the past and the legitimacy of biden and these other things. we can go on. but the thing about lying is, it means the truth matters, right? it matters that trump lost, and that he got fewer votes in '16 and that he's weak politically in that way, and so do you think this trial will garner potentially another look by some people including independents

and soft and what they call lower information voters who aren't watching every day. o.j. simpson just died and people covered, and people watched that trial that didn't watch other trials. do you think this is the trial of a decade, if not more? >> well, the january 6th committee changed the calculous of how people looked at january 6th. there was real change, and so i do think this is really meaningful and more than that, it's, like, does the truth matter? the whole reason that trump has gotten away with so much stuff is because at every point people are, like, well, it will upset his people, well, maybe we don't need to go after this, maybe we should not charge him on this. i mean, the second impeachment republicans decided not to remove him, why? because they thought he'd sort of go away and that's not how the law is supposed to work, you know? we're not supposed to not hold people responsible for things because it might be messy or it might make people upset, and i

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were arguing that there should be a regular debate and then a possible vote meaning do you stand for this now that this is the new development out of the courts? do you want to respond to what these unelected judges said and did or do you want to run and hide because democrats argue the republicans even in arizona, even a very red state house districts are afraid of having to stand up this week and say they support this very draconian civil war era law. here's some of that scene. . >> shame on you! shame on you! >> democrats chanting "shame" at the republican counterparts and the way republicans will not do anything to hold a debate. that would be democracy and transparency let alone limit or repeal this new move. arizona republicans are trying

to distance themselves and they see this as unpopular and bad politics. to be very clear my job is to tell you what's happening. some of those arizona republicans are pretending they're against this and they're running from it and they want to keep their political jobs and their perks, but they won't hold a day of debate, let alone a vote to actually distance people from having to live under this unelected judicial type of, yes, tyranny. it is very bad politics. we know voters have rejected these every single time the issue has come up. voters have rallied to protect or expand abortion rights and not just in blue states. we've seen this in purple and red states including states that are red or more conservative or republican voters than arizona. we understand why the gop is nervous even if they're trying to have it both ways in arizona and there are those who say they have more than the necessary number of signatures to get this on the ballot in november.

that would, of course, give arizona voters a chance to do something and that the representatives are afraid to do on the side than what these judges did and that's part of the democracy and the electoral politics and the biden campaign sees this as a huge opportunity and this is a tight state and sending vice president harris and she arrives in tucson tomorrow, the trump campaign would likely need arizona of doing better than it did from losing to biden last time and many, many people think this hurts trump in arizona and blaming trump who, of course, put the judges in the court who overturned roe which is the only reason arizona now can pass or enact an old law that will jail doctors. that's the update on that and we will stay on that story. now, there's a lot of other interesting things happening in the nation. i have kristena grier on everything from library books to a little bit of sports.

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and has collaborated with everyone with dmc to rocket everyone with dmc to rocket ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ every show you see me in ♪ i'm no comedian ♪ ♪♪ ♪ >> you can see from the back in the day all of the way up to the tiny desk, we are also joined by d.j. jazzy jeff. you may know him from the classic sitcom the fresh prince of bel air along with a longtime collaborator will smith. the two won the first ever rap grammy from '89. the rap category was not televised at the time for shame, and you know, i don't think -- who am i thinking about? i don't think killer mike got televised this year either. we still have change to make. >> he's worked with everyone from eminem with the roots. >> mr. jazz is here to see you. >> summertime, d.j. jazzy jeff

and the fresh prince. ♪♪ summer, summer, summertime ♪ ♪ tell the kids all across the land, there's no need to argue, parents just don't understand ♪ >> still true today and they're here together for the kennedy center's hip-hop jazz festival. also our hometown hero, political science professor christina grier author of "black ethnics" and the pursuit of the american dream. >> i love this lineup. we'll start with the hometown and what's on your fallback list, professor? >> libraries. i cannot believe that the state of texas is charging parents for overdue library funds. we know it's important to return books, however, we do know that so many children rely systems f knowledge and they've been a great supporter and the idea that you would put a warrant out

for a mother's arrest and it's where texas goes others follow. >> i've heard libraries just don't understand. >> they don't. >> that is mind blowing. >> it's wild that we have these problems today. >> yes. >> and affecting people's education. what's on your list? >> mine is boeing. the fact that we have an airline and especially not only do millions of others, but i fly quite frequently to say that they're having really bad issues with airplanes is not really comfortable to me. >> you think about that when you're on the plane? >> i will now. >> they did try to have accountability because they ousted the ceo, right? if you call that accountability. >> in step. >> i don't think the ceo built the plane, so i think -- >> you want more. >> want a lot more. >> we also have a deceased

whistle-blower so, you know -- >> yeah. a lot of questions. >> a lot, to say the least. >> do you get nervous flying because you're very analytical. i always tell people in my roll here on the news, you are statistically more danger on the uber ride to the airport than on the plane. how do you feel? >> i fly a lot. i fly internationally quite a bit. a lot of search engines have put the type of plane higher up so people can select what type of plane they'd like to fly in. once i buckle up and it up to t. >> what are you listening to on these long flights. >> rakim is on my mt. rushmore, and for all real musicians who think of philadelphia, there's jazzy jeff. so obviously there's that. >> rakim, what's on your list? >> not as serious as theirs. i like where they went. mine is a little more universal

to all of the jocks out there. but the way the owners are running the leagues, man. it seems like a lot of athletes that work hard to get to a certain point, it seems like they have no guarantee in their contract. i think about saquon barkley, you know, new york giant. we love him. thought that he did enough to earn his spot in new york. and sadly he's going to jazzy jeff's city, which you know, we're going to talk later on, bro. i'm going to have to figure something out. i have to check out my man. but yeah, just the way they handle, you know, their business, man. i think they need to give props where it's due. >> respect. i'll let you respond. >> i 100% agree. you know, we just have been in a great position for saquon to come down the turnpike and join us in philadelphia.

but i absolutely think that when you put your heart and soul into a city and play your heart out, and you deserve a contract, like, the giants deserve to give him what philadelphia gave him. >> we'll do a little fashion and then i want to hear what you're doing together in washington. the mushrooms on the hat, is it like mario brothers mushrooms, magic mushrooms, colorful shan trels? >> i walked into a store and saw this hat, and i'm a bucket hat kind of guy. and i grabbed the hat. wasn't even paying attention to what was on the hat, but everywhere i go, everyone says, i love your hat. >> what do they love about it? >> you know, it might be the magic. it might be what's on your salad. >> respect, yeah. you can have a psychedelic salad or a regular salad. >> a psychedelic salad. >> respect. tell us about the chain because this is old school hip-hop. a lot of us grew up on you.

we remember the music and the style. tell me about it. >> i try to keep something nice around my neck. i love jewelry. this one is important because it got egyptian pharaoh on it. something i'm real passionate about. i love jewelry. every now and then, i get myself something. >> i'm going to ask uthis. a semipersonal fashion question. is this every day or only because you're doing an appearance or do you like feeling that daily? >> not every day. it is sometimes i might get up knowing i'm not going anywhere, i look so fly. i throw a chain on. >> at home alone. >> at home. knowing i ain't going nowhere. >> like drake said i wear every chain even when i'm in the house. >> sometimes you feel like throwing something on. it goes with the outfit sometimes or it might make you feel a certain way. >> you know, professor greer, jewelry is not just for any

particular group or women or men. >> i do it on a slightly different budget, but i usually change my glasses. i'm inspired. i'm going to throw on some jewelry. i did this during covid, put on a fur coat. why not? now i think all the "beat" viewers should throw our jewelry. >> it could be a theme. before you get out of here, what are you doing at the kennedy center? >> me and jazzy jeff and ravi cotrain, we're looking forward to going down there. we have a nice show set up for them. we're going to kind of curate it. we have work to do later on today. we're looking forward to kind of giving them a nice jazz hip-hop show. >> i love your take on that because so many us, we grew up on fresh presence. there's these steps and they're around people learning and listening. they're around prestige. i remember the first time hove did a big show there at --

what's the -- the new york auditorium. >> carnegie. >> thank you, i need you here the whole hour. the first time hove did carnegie hall, that was a big deal. no rapper had done it. what does it mean to be at the kennedy center? >> well, the funny thing is the second time that ra and i have played the kennedy center. during lockdown, ra and i got on the phone and just started having a conversation. just about music and we're all stuck in the house, and we just were like, you know what, we should go on the road and do some shows. we have been doing shows for the past two years. being able to go down there with coltrane and have these musicians and be at the kennedy center, you're pretty much giving people a show that they have seen but that they have never seen. it's a melting pot with the musicians and us. >> dj jazzy jeff, professor, rakim, thanks to all of you for being here. appreciate you. and a reminder if you want to give us ideas for who else we

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