car -- whatever the vehicles were, but at the very moment when hamas was considering the negotiations, what was on the table, did you find that timing interesting? was this just an opportunity they couldn't pass? i guess we're out of time, but does this strike you at all? >> i think it's the latter. i think it was an opportunity to go after high level operational targets, if children were killed, obviously that's tragic collateral damage, but i think israel took the shot because they felt they could render a serious blow to hamas. the timing is unfortunate. >> thank you so much, admiral, and that does it for us. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city.

we have the witness list. nbc news now has the list of who could be talking under oath at the trump hush money trial. the high profile names and potential impact on the trial itself including the big question, could the former president take the stand himself? and now with jury selection just days away, a new poll shows trump may have good reason to worry about the political impact. plus, one of the most famous and infamous americans have died. o.j. simpson whose remarkable rise and precipitous fall from grace made an indelible market on our collective history. football star, accused murderer and convicted criminal. how will the world remember him? could we be on the verge of a new and potentially catastrophic escalation in the middle ooegs. the u.s. sending one of its top military commanders to israel as officials there brace for what they fear could be a direct and unprecedented attack from iran.

we'll have the very latest coming up. we start with that list of potential witnesses in donald trump's hush money trial obtained by nbc news just a short time ago giving us a brand new insight into how this first of its kind criminal trial might play out. it includes people we know, michael cohen, stormy daniels, karen mcdougal. also david pecker, the former ceo of american media and keith davidson, former attorney for both women. on the defense side, donald trump himself. all this happening because right now the trial is on track to start monday after three attempts in three days to delay it, all summarily rejected by the way. the latest attempt so last minute and so chaotic arguments were heard in the court basement in a room our lisa rubin describes as more like a beatup underresourced teacher's lounge than a courtroom. a new poll puts data behind

trump's increasing desperation to put off the trial. look at these numbers, 64% of registered voters say the charges are either very or somewhat serious, including 40% of republicans and more than two-thirds of independents, and if he's convicted of a felony by election day, 24% of republicans and 13% of current trump voters say they would not vote for him. nbc's garrett haake is following all of this from washington. joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney, law professor at the university of alabama, and an msnbc legal analyst. jim messina was white house deputy chief of staff under president obama and ran his 2012 campaign. good to have all of you here. garrett, break down this potential witness list for us. >> chris, the bold-faced names won't be surprising. start with michael cohen at the very top of this list, the person who allegedly orchestrated all of these hush

money payments and the two women who he orchestrated them for, stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. you've got a couple of executives from american media, the company in the middle of this buying their stories and the folks that i'm more interested in a little bit down the line, some of these former trump campaign and trump white house staffers like hope hicks and madeleine westerhout who will be able to describe what was going on in the trump campaign and the trump white house around this story that might buttress the case. the defense witness of course is donald trump himself. that's not something that's confirmed. but knowing donald trump, covering donald trump, and the way he has approached all of these cases, i think it would be very hard to keep him off the stand if he decides that he wants to testify, and i suspect after listening to the testimony against him through the prosecution's presentation, he'll be chomping at the bit to get up there and tell his side of the story, chris. >> jim, do you agree with that?

what do you think the chances are he takes the stand, and whatever the decision is, do you think it will be one based on legal facts or will it be more about political considerations and ego? >> no, this is all about political considerations and ego, chris, because he's looking at these same numbers and have two-thirds of independent voters saying that they're going to look at this, and if he's convicted, judge him harshly and perhaps not vote for him. that's a 5 alarm fire in trump world, and so, you know, they've been campaigning from the courthouse for the last couple of months. it's now even more important right now, chris, because voters are starting to pay attention. these swing voters who haven't been paying attention are starting to wake up to the fact that they're going to have a choice between donald trump and joe biden. and as they start making this choice, the last thing donald trump wants to hear is guilty. >> so i'll get to you on donald trump, but let me ask you a big picture question first, joyce, if i can.

are there any names here that surprise you, and what does this list tell you about how the prosecution plans to build its case? >> so this list is surprising in no way, chris. this is exactly the case the manhattan d.a. has been suggesting that they would bring since they indicted it. it is a case that will focus on election interference, not as trump has tried to say, just bookkeeping errors, and i think some of the most interesting testimony that especially the campaign witnesses that garrett was talking about that they may bring on is we've heard this story that trump after the fact said do i still have to pay stormy daniels, i've won. it's not an issue anymore. and that suggests that he was worried about the camcampaign, about one of his wife's melania's feelings. >> if you were a betting woman and i know you deal in facts and the law, do you think donald trump will take the stand? >> well, jim makes such an interesting point, which is that

trump may view this as a calculus about winning the presidency. for his lawyers, though, this will be a calculation about whether he will be convicted and spend time in prison following that conviction. and they will strongly urge trump not to take the witness stand. we know he's a terrible witness. this is the man who in the e. jean carroll civil defamation case during a deposition misidentified e. jean carroll the victim as his former wife marla maples after saying e. jean carroll was not his wife. there is no telling how much damage he can do to himself on then witness stand and very little good. trump may see it entirely differently. those voter numbers suggest, chris -- this is just going into the trial. this is before there is any public reporting on just how bad this evidence is for donald trump, so surely he'll be concerned that his lawyers will tell him to set that aside and stay off the witness stand. he can only harm himself by

testifying. >> let's talk, garrett, a little bit about how many times and in how many ways donald trump has tried to stop this trial from happening or at least delay it. 11 times by our count. he's either tried to get it tossed or delayed. "the new york times" calls these attempts desperate. the approach scatter shot. from what you're hearing in trump world and particularly the legal team, do they think they still have something that might work? >> attempts to delay the trial is less likely to work than the one before it, but you have to remember the way donald trump interacts with his lawyers going back really across his entire public career, to joyce's point about whether or not he'd testify, donald trump sets the agenda here, and then his lawyers try to make that possible. it is a very rare occurrence when he simply listens to his lawyer's advice and then takes it. i think what you have here is someone who very much does not want to see this trial go forward, certainly doesn't want to see it go forward before the election, and in fact, he was

questioned about this a couple of weeks ago at this news conference he held at 40 wall street after he was last in court. i was there and one of the questions he took was around this idea if you're so confident you can beat this case, why do you keep pushing it off? he will say he thinks this is unfair it happens during the middle of a presidential election. but i think the reality here is any delay here that he can possibly engender in this case accrues benefit both politically and delay almost always serves the defense's advantage. eventually these things start to fade from memory, feelless important and the defense case tends to get stronger. >> there are people and obviously mostly donald trump supporters who believe that this will help him no matter what, and i think it's in this sense, that should he lose this case, it's the one with the least serious potential consequences, and so he can say the system is rigged. it's a witch hunt. this is an example of how they've been going after me, and

should he actually be acquitted, he says the same but maybe even a little more loudly. do you see any way in which whatever happens, donald trump who has had a real penchant for being if not the most -- one of the most teflon politicians we've ever seen in the united states, that this could work the same way. >> chris, he is the most teflon candidate we've seen in american political history, at least recent history. and i think there are two ways he can advantage this. one is he's going to raise money off of this, and you've seen in other court appearance, their online fund-raising spikes during these things. so he's going to continue to do this, and if he were able to get an acquittal here, he could say this entire thing is a scam and rigged and make the case to swing voters that you shouldn't care about these other cases that are coming out of this. that said, let's be honest, we're 200 days out here. every day you're spending having

swing voters watch you in the courthouse is never going to be a good day for a presidential campaign. >> joyce, we should also note that we are still waiting on two i think very long-shot attempts to delay. judge merchan has yet to rule on a request that he step aside, although he has rejected that previously. there's also that filing where team trump claims that the former president can't get a fair trial because of what they call prejudicial media coverage. i say long shot. how long, in your opinion, are these two attempts that may still be out there? >> pretty long, chris. i think that these motions are both stone cold losers, and trump is down to sort of the last desperate gasp of defendants who don't want to go to trial, fire your lawyers or have a sudden traumatic illness. i think it's all but certain that the judges understand what's going on with these motions, understand what trump's strategy is and that they're done facilitating it.

we've seen that in very quick rulings from new york appellate judges. >> fire your lawyers or health problems. okay, joyce vance, garrett haake, jim messina, great conversation. we will see you all soon i'm sure. in 60 seconds, one of the most high profile celebrities in america, o.j. simpson dies of cancer at 76. the latest details and reactions to his life and controversial legacy next. legacyex nt. zyrtec allergy relief works fast and lasts a full 24 hours so dave can be the... deliverer of dance. ok, dave! let's be more than our allergies. zeize the day with zyrtec. ♪♪ with fastsigns, create factory grade visual solutions to perfect your process. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement™.

oh, yeah, man. take it from your inner child. what you really need in life is some freakin' torque. what? the dodge hornet r/t... the totally torqued-out crossover. o.j. simpson the infamous former football star and acquitted murderer has died at 76. the former football great played 11 seasons in the nfl. he was known as the juice to his fans. then he made a fortune in movies, advertising, and television, but he rose to infamy after being accused and

then acquitted in a lengthy trial over the 1994 killings of his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and her friend ronald goldman. in 1998 o.j. simpson called me unsolicited at this network defending himself during his fight for custody for his kids. >> the argument has been made that a man who was found civilly liable for the death of the mother of his children is an unfit father. >> well, you know i can't agree with that. i am innocent. i did not commit these crimes. i was found innocent by a court. i went to another court, they found me liable, i'll deal with that liability. >> joining me now nbc's chloe melas and nbc's cynthia mcfadden. cynthia, how many days were you in that courtroom during the trial of the century? >> listen, jury selection was two months and then i sat in the courtroom for nine months every day. >> yeah, and it was the trial of the century. it was hard for anybody who wasn't alive at that time, i

think, to really understand how huge it was, how it shocked and riveted the nation. tell us about o.j.'s position in the cultural firmament. >> he was a big deal as you just alluded to. he was a big deal. it was a confluence of celebrity, of money. i mean, that defense called the dream team for a reason, they were in so many ways. and it was the first major televised trial. i mean, america watched. america had an opinion as we went along. those opinions varied as we saw at the end, but people got to watch it, so people would say, hey, what about that kato calin testimony today, or what did you think about mark fuhrman's testimony? it became a cultural touch point. i think it still stands for a lot of -- we learned a lot about america through the lens of that trial. >> even in the country just about knew who kato calin and

mark fuhrman were, it was unbelievable. chloe, let's talk about today. i think it was shocking news to a lot of people. what are we learning about how o.j. simpson died? >> reporter: so we know that it was cancer. in a statement from his family, they say that he was surrounded by his children and grandchildren and that they're asking for privacy, but reports circulated in february that he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer and that he was in hospice, but he actually took to x, formerly known as twitter. and he said hospice? hospice. i'm not in hospice. i'm not dying, so we have not been able to confirm that it was prostate cancer that ultimately caused his death, but we know that he had been sick for quite a while, chris. >> and cynthia, it was clear to me in my interactions with him and as you said you were in the courtroom with him day after day after day, that his legacy, his reputation were almost everything to him, as i covered

his second trial. what was his impact on society? what about his legacy now? >> well, you know, i would say that he was acquitted, but he was never free. >> yeah. >> i mean, his life just went downhill after that acquittal. i mean, the whole conga line of small and final lay robbery he went to prison for ten years for. he never recaptured the status he had. he never got his life back in the wake of that, and for many people, he will always remain a person who got away with it. >> yeah, i think one of the things that i should say since the conversation that i had with him on this network was about whether or not he should have custody of his children. he did regain custody of his children. chloe melas, what are you hearing from los angeles? what are you hearing in reaction to the death of o.j. simpson? >> you know, i have actually been on the phone, you know, speaking to individuals who knew o.j. simpson, who actually were part of his trial, individuals

that testified. i actually just interviewed a few moments ago a man by the name of keith who dated nicole simpson after her divorce from o.j., and he said that this is justice. this is justice in its own way, but that it's hard for him, hard for the sisters of nicole simpson, the family members that it took 30 years but that he has some resolve, some closure knowing that o.j. is not on this earth anymore but obviously that is one opinion. we've been reaching out to o.j. simpson's children, family members. but as of now, the statement on his social media channels is that they want privacy right now as they grieve. >> you know, chris, it was interesting ronald goldman's father, the young man who was murdered that day, said that o.j. simpson's death simply made him remember how much he misses

ron. that was a family who i think was one of the first because of how much coverage this story got, really brought to life the agony of a family when there is a sudden death in that way, and he kept the legacy of his son, the story alive for years and years and years. >> along with his daughter kim, who as you know spent much of her life, devoted much of her life to victims' rights. >> there's the mom and dad and kim on the left there. cynthia mcfadden, chloe melas, thank you so much. a top u.s. military commander is in the middle east right now as israel issues a stark new warning to iran. we'll head to tel aviv right after this. 'll head to tel avivt after this with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment

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the top u.s. military commander in the middle east is meeting with senior israel lie officials to discuss the looming threat of an attack. the u.s. believes a response could be imminent after iran vowed to retaliate for the deadly israeli air strike on its consulate in syria. today israel's foreign minister delivered a blunt warning to tehran posting in he brew and far see on . if iran attacks from its territory, israel will react and attack from iran. hala gorani is reporting from

tel aviv, courtney kube is at the pentagon. courtney, what do we know about this meeting? >> reporter: according to a number of officials this was a preplanned trip, and it includes visits to and trips to a number of different countries in the region. i will say centcom is very particular when they talk about his travel. they don't like to talk about things in advance and they tend to not announce location where is he is until after he has left that location. that's all for security reasons. i don't know how much more we're going to hear specifics about the meeting as soon as this afternoon. but we do know that he was -- as part of this trip, he was scheduled to meet with israeli officials, and of course, chris, this comes as the u.s. and others around the world are watching to see if, in fact, iran makes good on the multiple threats they have been making for the last ten days or so to retaliate for the israeli strike

in damascus that killed a number of senior iranian officials. the u.s. officials have been telling us now for several days that they are just waiting to see if it happens. they're looking at possibilities like iran using things like land attack cruise missiles, perhaps drone swarms and going after manager iran may see as a proportional strike, so something look a consular building, perhaps some sort of intelligence building, something like that in the region, and chris, perhaps even in israel. but the officials who we've been speaking with here say they don't believe at this point that iran would intentionally target civilians in this attack. but again, i have to say, chris, everyone is still waiting to see if, in fact, iran carries through with these threats. >> so peter, what kind of response to these possibilities is the biden administration expecting from iran and israel? >> yeah, it's really interesting. of course you see the white house very concerned about this, yesterday the president at his

press conference with the visiting japanese prime minister made a point of taking aside to make the point that america's commitment to israel in regard of these threats from iran is ironclad. that's the word he used, he said it twice. so even though he's having a frustrating, tense moment with prime minister netanyahu on the issue of the war in gaza, the message the president wants to send is that doesn't mean the united states is not going to be on israel's side in any confrontation with iran. it's meant to be a signal to iran that this is not something they should assume they can get away with without any kind of retaliation. obviously the israelis themselves would retaliate against any kind of strike inside their territory, but the president is making clear that the united states will stand with him. >> so hala, as peter just referred to, this threat is against the backdrop of the ever-growing humanitarian crisis in gaza. samantha powers who is biden's

top aide official said northern gaza is already experiencing famine, which is the first time a senior u.s. official has said that. what do we really know about how much aid is now getting into gaza? >> reporter: so the israeli government is at pains and has been for the last several days to highlight the fact that it is increasing the number of trucks and vehicles going into gaza to about 400 a day. you have to remember the kind of backlog, though, that this besieged enclave is facing after six months of very, very limited supplies going in, and it's happening against the backdrop as well of these cease fire negotiations and of the assassination of three of the political leader of hamas's sons as well. we are still monitoring the progress in these talks. it appears as though potentially hamas may not have the number of hostages demanded by israel to meet the demands of israeli

negotiators in order to get this cease fire through. the humanitarian situation, aid groups are telling us still is absolutely disastrous. the need would be for many, many more vehicles entering and, in fact, the israeli government, you'll remember had promised off the back of what was described as a tense phone call between president biden and the israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu to reopen the erez crossing in the north as well as the port of ashdod, which could be used to offload humanitarian supplies and drive them along the coast into gaza. that has not happened. so there's still a lot more that needs to be done to even come close to addressing the humanitarian issues inside of the gaza strip, chris. >> peter, as you know, the white house has emphasized words from israel aren't enough. the u.s. want thes to' results

-- wants to see results and quickly. is it your sense that the biden administration is satisfied with israel's pace? >> not satisfied in the sense that they think they have done everything that prime minister netanyahu committed to do in last week's call but they did make a point of saying israel is beginning at least to head in that direction. some of the commitments that were made are the kinds of things the americans have been asking the israelis to do for weeks if not months, and in some cases, obviously, the fact that there are 400 trucks getting in there every day is a lot better than the 100 trucks or whatever a few days ago. there's some sore feelings in the white house because they think that, well, it shows that you could have done this weeks and months ago. why is it that you didn't do it until we had to have this confrontational call. but be that as it may, they want to see further action on the part of israel's government. they do take note of the fact that the president told the prime minister to be as forward leaning as he could be in these negotiations over a hostage release and a cease fire, and in fact, the israelis did go along

with the proposal that was tabled by bill burns. they're waiting to see how hamas will respond to the proposal that bill burns has made. they're saying that they're not satisfied with everything that israel has done yet. they feel like there's more to do, but they do take note of the fact that they think israel has responded this the last seven days to the president's demands. >> let's talk about the he or she -- hostages, peter. the times is reporting that hamas says it does not having 40 living hostages who meet the criteria right now for a prisoner swap, which is raiing fears that there are more hostages dead than previously thought. what do we know about the hostage situation right now, and is it chaning in any way the negotiations, the pressure for that hostage and cease fire deal? >> yeah, absolutely. this has been a problem from the beginning. there's never been complete visibility on the part of the americans or the israelis on

exactly how many hostages, where they are, what their condition has been. of course we haven't seen like red cross, you know, delegations getting to see any of these hostages. there hasn't been a real firm understanding of who might actually still be alive. this revelation, this latest news on that of course complicates those negotiations. there's a lot of mistrust, a lot of reasons to wander whether israelis are being told the truth about the hostages. there's also been some concern about whether hamas itself has all the hostages as opposed to other groups in gaza. it's been a murky situation from the beginning. this only further complicates things and makes the negotiations that much more complex. >> peter baker, hala gorani, and courtney kube, thank you all. arizona's abortion battle getting even uglier very fast. what the chaos on the state house floor means for overturning the ban. that's coming up next. >> shame on you! shame on you! shame on you!

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new signs over the fagt fight on arizona's reinstated abortion ban. focusing on reproductive rights, and vice president kamala harris will bring that message herself when she visits the state tomorrow. in arizona, chaos and confusion now intensifying after republican state lawmakers voted to adjourn, stalling efforts to

repeal the 160-year-old law. that move caused an eruption of jeers. >> i move that we recess the bill immediately. >> you've heard the secondary motion. i heard a second. >> second. >> all in favor of that motion vote aye. >> aye. >> all opposed, vote no, ayes have it. >> shame on you! shame on you! shame on you! hold the vote! hold the vote! hold the vote! >> nbc's ali vitali is following this for us. also with us kimberly atkins stohr, boston globe columnist and msnbc political analyst. matthew dowd is with us as well, former chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and a senior political analyst. what does it say that the republican-led legislature went into recess so it didn't have to

vote on that abortion ban and repealing it, despite pressure from donald trump to intervene? >> they're cowards. i mean, and they understand -- i think they understand the problem here and they don't want to face the voters in the course of this. you know, this whole issue i've been thinking about this -- this whole issue and people that are trying to have it both ways, especially donald trump, where they say i'm for repealing roe versus wade, but i'm against what happened in arizona and these other states. to me it's totally akin to somebody saying they want to get rid of all airline regulations and get rid of all pilot qualifications. they just want to end all those, but oh, by the way, i'm opposed to an airline crash, and they've invited this here. they've got this in the situation they're in. the reason why arizona happened was because of donald trump's appointments to the supreme court and having ended roe versus wade, and now all these

places with arizona being the worst example where they don't want to return us to 1964. they want to return us to 1864 in the republicans. it's just cowardice, and they don't want to face the voters but they're about to do that. >> ali, what happens next when it comes to challenging this ruling? and what do we know about how voters feel about this, especially after that i would say somewhat emotional scene on the floor at the arizona state house? >> reporter: it makes sense that it's emotional, too, because you have folks on both sides of this issue. but of course folks in the pro-choice and pro-abortion category feeling energized by not just what they're seeing on the ground in arizona but we have seen this time and again in states across the country, especially after the dobbs ruling that overturned roe versus wade, and really put in play all of these kinds of archaic laws that i think most americans and even residents of these states didn't know were on the books or could be even enforced. of course now they're seeing that firsthand, and i think it's

why we're seeing not just that action in the state house but the fact that lawmakers here in the congress of d.c., folks who have voted along the lines of antiabortion referendum votes in the past now saying, hang on a second, wait a minute. this goes too far. i've definitely seen that from republicans here. you're also hearing it from voters on the ground. you are also seeing a range of opinions. listen to what some of our team gathered. >> the arizona supreme court made the right decision. arizona is unique and unlike any other state. in arizona we pride ourselves on being the first in the nation of a number of very positive pro-family, pro-freedom measures. >> why was it important for you to sign that initiative? >> because we need to change it. they need to know we're not messing around. they're going to see a difference in november. >> they don't know what we go through. >> this decision doesn't represent all of arizona. >> reporter: i think it's

important to pick up on one of the words that one of those folks used, the idea of being pro-freedom. it's something that democratic groups have been able to leverage across the country, especially in red states when it comes to ballot or amendment referendums around abortion and general reproductive health care access, we've seen it be successful from democrats and pro-abortion groups before. now of course we'll see it play out on the ground in arizona because this is not just a state that has a critical senate election in it. it's not just a state that's going to be essential to the presidential election itself. it's also a state where advocates on the ground are still trying to gather signatures, though i think they have met the threshold already to put something on the ballot come november that would enshrine better abortion protections. this advocates tell us only energizes that. >> the biden/harris campaign is trying to immediately capitalize on this ruling. i want to play a little bit of that new ad. >> because of donald trump, millions of women lost the fundamental freedom to control their own bodies.

and now women's lives are in danger because of that. the question is if donald trump gets back in power, what freedom will you lose next? your body and your decisions belong to you, not the government. not donald trump. >> so vice president harris plans to take that exact message directly to voters tomorrow. if time and money are two of the most important assets of any campaign, clearly, kimberly team biden and democrats believe they have been handed a very powerful tool in this fight. >> yes, i think clearly not only do democrats understand that this is a winning issue for them because we saw in 2022 and in other elections since dobbs that when abortion access is on the ballot, abortion access wins, and that's important, but i think it's something more than that. i don't think this is merely a political move. i think it's also an effort to make clear what is actually

happening on the ground, after donald trump made his statements earlier this week, there's a lot of coverage of him walking back or, you know, backing off of support for a nationwide abortion ban. when that's not what's happening at all. i think that's what this ad and the messaging is meant to convey. it is because of donald trump and the commitment that he made to the christian right in order to get their support to get into office that he would usher in not just at the supreme court, but throughout the federal judiciary conservative justices who would pave the way for roe v. wade to be overturned. he still has to rely on that same block of folks who want to use the comstock act to not only outlaw every form of abortion, but even the instruments used in reproductive health care from being able to travel across the interstate. this is the platform that he's running on, and even the media doesn't seem to be getting that

right, so i think that the campaign wants to set the record straight that this is a clear choice on this issue in this election from the presidency down to local elections. >> i want to ask you what you think is going on with this discomfort among republicans, matthew, because i would say both in '16 and in '20 when i talked to voters, republican voters, a lot of them would say, yes, i wish donald trump wouldn't say many of the things he says. i wish he acted a little more presidential, but then they would come back to the supreme court and what the appointments he made mean for abortion, and then they would unequivocally support him, and they would say i'm voting for donald trump because he would follow through on what he promised. do you think there are republicans who as this unfolds in arizona and elsewhere might say, you know what? i can't vote for him anymore. has there been that much of a shift in the way the public views this issue and if not vote for joe biden, which many of them never would, stay home?

>> that's a great question because what i think up until dobbs, which ali was mentioning, up until dobbs, this issue was -- was more theoretical because roe versus wade was the law of the land, and the republicans could awe want to -- say we want to get rid of it and it wouldn't happen, and then it happened. and then we went from the more theoretical to the actual practical application of getting rid of roe versus wade and every step of the process where gop held governorships and legislatures they've put these immense restrictions in place on women, much further along than most people imagined it would go, and that's why you saw support for roe versus wade, which had a plurality prior to to roe versus wade now has a two to one majority say we want roe versus wade in the course of this. i think what's happened is the people that are republicans, i don't know exactly what's going to happen in november because the last two elections in the presidential, 92, 93% of republicans voted for donald

trump, but what i think has happened is the people that were republican prior to this who now are totally disgusted by it have probably shifted to say they're an independent because of where this is in this. and so evening the republican base probably sticks to donald trump in the course of this, but i think that republican base has now dwindled simultaneously with independent voters who are overwhelmingly want roe versus wade and don't want what's happening in places like arizona, texas, alabama, mississippi, and those, are now wide open, much more wide open to democrats and the biden campaign rightly so understands that, and i think the biden campaign framing this as a freedom issue and not strictly as an abortion issue is really, really strategically smart. >> that struck me when i saw that ad, that they added that at the end there. matthew dowd, thank you along with ali and kimberly, we appreciate you coming on the

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prosecutors say he stole $16 million from ohtani. the right-hand man, interpreter, he took ohtani to a physical bank branch to open the account that was used to pay down gambling debts. $16 million, really a pretty eye popping, shocking amount. now it was because mizuhara had so much access to ohtani's life that he was able to pull this off. a short clip from the press conference explains how he was able to get these wire transfers out. take a listen. >> mr. mizuhara lied to the bank to access the account. for instance, we have obtained recordings of telephone calls in which mizuhara spoke with bank employees, lied to them about being mr. ohtani. gave personal, bigraphical information for mr. ohtani in

order to impersonate him, and thereby convinced the bank to approve large wire transfers of large amounts of money to the bookmakers. i want to emphasize this point. mr. ohtani is considered a victim in this case. >> reporter: chris, prosecutors are saying that ohtani turned over his cell phone, and they reviewed thousands of communications between him and mizuhara. they say there's no indication that ohtani knew any of this money was going towards gambling. he is being portrayed very much as a victim in this. the last important point i'll mention that came up in the press conference, prosecutors are saying there's no indication that mizuhara's gambling was specifically on baseball. that was a big question people have been asking themselves since the scandal broke, was this money going to baseball. it could have gotten messy if that was the case. from what we're hearing, he was gambling on other sports. >> we don't have much time, and

i don't know whether this came up at the press conference, the question i have and i understand about what you're saying, how many roles he played in ohtani's life. did he not have an independent financial manager, somebody who was a cpa or somebody watching this saying, where's the $16 million gone to? >> it's a really good question how exactly could he have simply not noticed that $16 million went missing from his account. one detail that helps explain this, prosecutors said mizuhara, when he opened the account, refused to give other people access to the account, including ohtani's accountant, his agent, et cetera, saying, falsely, allegedly that ohtani wanted this bank account to remain private, that was the way he maintained individual control over the account. that partially answers the question and goes part of the way there. >> david noriega, thank you for that. up next, damming allegations against a former virginia

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