question. >> fantastic. >> thank you. >> well done, leo. >> it was a great question, something we can all learn from michael and leo. take your time. be kind. we've got this. on that note i want to wish you a good night. tomorrow night. you can catch me saturdays and sunday mornings on my show, the weekend, starting at 8:00 a.m. here on msnbc. from all of our colleagues across msnbc news, thank you for staying up late. i will see you this weekend. tonight on all in. republicans warm-up the bus for reproductive rights. >> if you had to travel to another state to get an abortion, it's not the worst thing in the world.

>> why the people created the nightmare can't escape responsibility. >> i'm incredibly thrilled that were going to have a great law that's already on the books. >> reporter: donald trump's moneyman reports to rikers island as the latest dull target for his own criminal trial fails. speaker emeritus nancy pelosi of what the collapse of the house means for the country. >> marjorie is upset about this bill. >> we have to choose a new republican speaker of the house. >> all in starts right now. good evening from new york. today, one day after the arizona supreme court upheld a 100-year-old law outlawing nearly all abortions, republicans in that state's legislature through a way a chance to repeal the wildly unpopular bill. arizona democrats, who are a slim minority in the senate try

to bring up legislation that would appeal the 1864 law. they're calling the bluff for republicans he said, this is terrible. republicans removed the bill from the agenda. in the house, republicans called for recess before votes could be cast on a similar bill. democrats quickly reproach their colleagues on the floor. >> shame. blood on your hands. let on your hands. shame. shame. >> arizona is now set to be grounds zero on what will be the first true nationwide abortion election in this nation's history. it's a product of 50 years of antiabortion act of his him.

for half a century, republicans have argued out of both sides of their mouths over reproductive rights. in one side, they call abortion murder. you are baby killers. they claim the fertilized eggs are full human persons. at the same time, they claim that their real objection to a right to an abortion as enshrined in roe v wade was that it prevented americans from voting on the issue. they said it should be left to the states and the democratic process. well, thanks to the successful efforts of the republican antiabortion movement and donald trump and his majority on the supreme court, abortions have been kicked back to this date. the right to safe and legal reproductive care is now up in the air in every state in the nation. abortion rights have been explicitly on the ballot and stay white referendum or initiative in six days, and every single one, the pro- abortion rights side won.

even conservative states, states donald trump won like kentucky and ohio, where republicans pulled out every stop to stop it getting on the ballot. arizona will have this in the fall. it's expected to be next along with several others, including lord up. and this year, for the first time since the supreme court overturned roe, we are facing a presidential election on one side. we have a man who nearly single- handedly destroyed roe v wade, as he will be the first to tell you. >> i was probably the person responsible for the ending of something that all legal scholars, both sides, wanted and, in fact, demanded to be ended. roe v wade. for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v wade terminated, and i did it and i'm proud to have done it. >> i did something nobody thought was possible, and roe v wade was terminated and put back to this date.

>> not all legal scholars wanted roe v wade overturned. that nonsense. on the other side of the selection, joe biden promises explicitly to restore roe v wade as the law of the land through legislation. if he's able to work with the democratic house and senate. the thing about all of this, and is really wild to watch this -- i don't members quite seen something like this. republicans, at least the ones with a modicum of sense, understanding are in desperate trouble on this issue. just clear as day that voters are not in line with their position on abortion. they are just running around saying anything they can to anyone, just trying to run away from themselves. from their own position. donald trump is the prime example. in a recent statement desperately trying to create

some distance between the catastrophe of his own making, he said he supported leaving abortion rights up to the states. that includes states like mississippi where a 14-year-old who is a victim of rape has to have the child, trump has flip- flopped all over the issue. >> i am very pro-choice. i am strongly for choice, and you and i hate the concept of abortion. >> but you would not ban it? >> no. i build buildings. don't ask me questions on if i'm pro-choice or pro-life. i've evolved on a lot of different things. >> as you know, i'm pro-life. >> i have been pro-life. >> the answer is, there have to be some form of punishment. >> pick any position. he said it at some point. none of that matters. it doesn't matter what he says.

republicans are trying to hide their true position. and the ones that are trying to hide their position, those are the ones that know he needs to win the election. if you listen to conservatives who don't need to win votes, well, then they sound like this. >> if you had to travel to another day to get an abortion, it's not the worst thing. hopefully this is a very rare occurrence in your life. buy a bus ticket to get it. it's not the worst thing in the world. >> cheer up, torts. it's just a bus ticket. just a bus ticket. get on a bus, victim of sexual assault, get on a bus. maybe it happened once, maybe twice. that's what they think. remember. no matter what donald trump or anyone else says, this republican party is devoted to completely eliminating bodily autonomy for all american women as a matter of fervent, zealous

belief, and they will not stop until they are definitively politically defeated over and over and over, until it is drowned out of them. they have the tools to accomplish this. robbing women of bodily autonomy in state judiciaries, federal judiciary, and governor's mansions. if they win the presidency this november, they will control a federal government that they can, for instance, or to the fda to overwrite approval of mifepristone. they can revive another 19th century lost on the books, which is basically just falling into disrepute and not used, called the comstock act. quote, every article or seeing designed or intended for producing abortion -- the federal mail would shut down all the shipping related to abortion. how do you think that would work? what do you think that would do? you might be saying, it sounds

a little far-fetched to thaw out a dormant law for the 1800s, but that's exactly what they literally just did in the arizona supreme court yesterday. so we are now seeing the spectacle of arizona republicans running for office, twisting themselves into not. take for instance, this candidate. she lost the race in 2022, though she never conceded. she is now running for senate against ruben gallego. yesterday, in the wake of that disastrous decision, she put out this date meant, desperately trying to run away from what she knows is the wrong side of the issue. i'm calling on katie hobbs -- that's a funny one. i guess she is the governor now. i call on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizonans can support. of course, her party blocked

that today. and that statement -- which was fine as these date meant go -- would be slightly more credible if she hadn't explicitly endorsed the very same 1864 law onstage into a microphone on camera just two years ago. >> obviously, i think roe v wade should be overturned, and i have a good feeling they are going to do the right thing this time. we have a great law on the books right now. if that happens, we will be a state where we will not be taking the lives of our unborn anymore. >> we have a great law on the books right now. so this is what the abortion election looks like. as election day approaches, republicans will continue to lie about their own positions because they understand how toxic they are. make no mistake. i have already shown us and continue to show us every day what they do when they have

power. congressman ruben gallego is a democrat in arizona running against lake for senate in 2024, and he joins me now. congressman, before we get to what your partner has said about this, i want to just get your reaction to the supreme ruling from yesterday. >> well, i am horrified. arizona voters are horrified. i have a nine-month-old daughter. she has less rights than my mother in this world. in this modern world, in 2024 arizona. we are going back to laws that were essentially signed into law by, you know, judges that were appointed by abraham lincoln. that's what we are dealing with right now. doctors will be going to jail, nurses will be going to jail, and politicians like kerry lake wants that to happen. and actually said it is a good

law. a great law. >> you served in the arizona state house, and this moment was really remarkable to me. there's this tension between the genuinely held beliefs from republicans that state legislatures, city councilmembers, members of the u.s. tenant. conservatives everywhere really believe -- i really do believe that. and the politics of it. and it was just so striking to me, what the arizona republican majority did. they could've done the political thing. what was your interpretation of the arizona republican state legislatures actions today to block an immediate overwriting of this decision? >> well, because they truly do believe that women do not have a right to an abortion. they believe the doctor should go to jail for providing safe and legal abortions, and nurses and other providers. they are voting against the overturning of the bill and

they are telling us what they want to do. believe them. this is the opportunity for everyone in arizona to understand we have a real threat. they have an initiative they need to vote for in november. we need to vote out these republicans that are antiabortion right. if you want to help out this campaign, we want to make sure we posed her lies, someone who cited by statute this bill, and now she wants to claim she doesn't report it. kari lake is lying. she wants to outright ban abortions in arizona. >> the most recent polling we have, i imagine this will be updated. should abortion be legal always? 62% favor that in your state. nationally, abortion should be legal in all or most cases at 70%. how do you -- i mean, there is a full on attempt -- a kind of

panicky attempt. but there's an attempt to muddy the waters and run away from the position. do you worry that can be successful? people are not necessarily completely locked in two who is on which side of this issue, or who is a responsible. how do you deal with that is you talk to folks who are trying to win the vote from? >> arizonans are not dumb. they know kari lake is lying and she will say anything she can to hold onto power . her positions have changed so much, and we have her on record, on camera with her audio voice, and she is directly citing the actual territorial law. for someone who is not known for being deep on policy, she somehow knew this particular band that is going to be designed specifically to arrest doctors and nurses. they're not going to believe it. were certainly not going to let people forget it. and arizonans have seen this

game before. they're not going to trust people like kari lake. they want to protect abortion rights, and they want to make sure that our doctors, nurses, and abortion providers do not go to jail because of this extreme and dangerous politics of people like kari lake. >> congressman gallego running for senate in the state of arizona. thank you so much. as house republicans continue to undermine house republicans, speaker emeritus nancy pelosi joins me life. donald trump's former cfo goes back to jail as a republican front runner does all he can to delay his own trial. that's next. that's next.

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days for tax fraud last year. he's just one year younger than trump, and he is now in a cell in rikers island, part of a long list of people who faced real punishment for the things they did for donald trump. the criminal justice system with a hush money trial set to start in just five days. the u.s. attorney's office in the session district joins me now. i found it very striking to watch this man go to rikers, and i want to take the opportunity to say that rikers has been a human rights disaster for a long time, and most of the people that i go through there are not white. they are black and brown, and they are poor. they do not have the kind of lawyers that donald trump does. they have multiple deaths there, and it is a brutal, brutal place, and it has been for a long time. there is something really sobering the real about this man being sent there.

>> absolutely. but he's made this choice, and he's made this choice again and again to be loyal to donald trump even when it doesn't benefit him. >> it's crazy to do this after you've already done a stint. >> after in connection with the first trial where he was convicted of tax fraud, donald trump -- all his lawyers, their whole argument was that we are here because of his greed. it wasn't just -- they demonized him. usually when someone is demonized in court that way, they don't then continue to lie on the stand for donald trump. i guess there is greed to this. he had the agreement for $2 million in severance so that if you wouldn't can't cooperate with law enforcement, there's a element to it. you think at some point somebody would say, how long am i going to take the fall for this guy? >> we have seen this flurry of desperate activity from donald trump to forestall this trial.

in a way that indicates to me that he does not want this trial to happen. >> clearly. >> today, we got another -- the third legal challenge to delay the hush money trial that a new york appeals judge rejected yet again. what does that indicate to you? >> calling this is a basketball analogy, because i've been watching a lot of basketball lately, these guys -- trumps lawyers, they are just taking half-court shots, and they are all air balls. none of these guys are steph curry just checking it up there and seeing what happens. were not even talking about buzzer beaters. the game hasn't actually started yet. the game would start on monday. all of these motions, if you go through each one, for retrial publicity, when he's the one contributing to it. the gag order is only necessary because of donald trump's team. they're all just terrible motions. >> i asked katherine christian

who was on the program the other day, is this normal? is this over about people that have money and resources? my question to you is, why don't people normally do this? let's you are rich, and you got good lawyers. and you are facing some criminal trial. my understanding is, it not standard operating procedure to be chucking from half court, desperately trying all this stuff. why do people not do that usually? >> usually, all of his attacks and motions, he is suing the judge who has even had the trial, who hasn't yet issued a sentence. usually, you want to reserve any criticism of a judge until after you have been convicted and sentenced, and then you have an appeals process and want to say, the judge made a bunch of errors here. but the judge might actually have some leniency toward you. you want to be in the judge's

good graces before that happens. >> not infuriating the person who is judging you. i figured that was the case. i'm watching this, it really does seem -- i can't tell if this has always worked for him to just be on people and to try everything. b, he is a sociopath, so he doesn't regulate well, he is talking to lawyers and they are just doing what he says. or seeing that because of the conditions of his campaign that there is sort of this antagonism that is useful to him politically. and it doesn't seem a sound legal strategy. >> no. the normal criminal defendant is also not in the position to become president. at that point, he might think that even though this is a's date trial, he's going to be able to waive some magic wand and make some sentence go away. >> a normal criminal defendant -- the normal criminal defendant is in rikers, sitting in rikers desperate for things

to move quickly as they delay. >> yes. less so with some white-collar defendants. >> a normal criminal defendant. >> absolutely. here, his delay tactics are so's liking. they are so desperate, and they are just not going to work anymore. i do expect we will have a trial starting monday. >> i will believe it when i see it. still ahead as their leader struggles to stay out of the courtroom, house republicans are at each other's throats. speaker emerita nancy pelosi joins me on the chaos in the chamber, next. chamber, next. enter nucala. it isn't your rescue treatment and it's not a steroid. it's an autoinjector you can do at home. just once a month. nucala targets and reduces eosinophils and helps your symptoms. think less asthma attacks... less need for oral steroids... less asthma-related hospital visits. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection

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this has been by far the most feckless and incompetent house majority in our lifetimes. whatever you think it's hit rock bottom, it somehow gets worse. so right now, back after two weeks away, the house is back. marjorie taylor green is still dangling her threat to take out republican speaker mike jones. johnson has absolutely no control of the caucus. he just lost another routine floor boat. it is his fourth since becoming speaker. he's also down to a two point majority. meanwhile, his predecessor, kevin mccarthy, who packed up and resigned rather than dig around, is back in town with some real talk about his former colleagues. >> i'll give you the truth about why i'm not speaker. one person submitted an ethics complaint because he slept with

a 17-year-old. and that's illegal and i'm not going to get it. did he do it? i don't know. but there's other people in jail because of it. and he wanted me to influence it. >> 20 me now was mccarthy's predecessor, speaker emerita nancy pelosi. it's good to have you on the program. >> my pleasure to be with you. thank you. >> today was another day, sort of par for the course for this republican majority. they lost a floor vote. if the fourth time it's happened in speaker johnson short tenure. it never happened in any of your tenures ever. this is not normal. how do you communicate to folks that don't pay attention to congress what it means to have a house this utterly dysfunctional? >> let me just say i am happy to be with you. of all the introductions i have

ever received, being called mccarthy's predecessor is the least favorable. so thanks, but no thanks. it's chronology. but the fact is is that i'm here . it's a very important busy time for all of us to talk about democracy, not about their dysfunction. their dysfunction is an impediment to democracy. in ukraine, we really are at a very critical place. we have been for a while. they keep saying they're going to do it, we will do it next week, and all the rest. but this is very serious. the people of ukraine have been so ukraine just. they fought for their democracy, and doing so for democracy at large. the world is understood that russia should not be violating the sovereignty of the borders of ukraine. and the congress of the united states is hung up by a putin caucus as their own leadership has said that shares of some other committees had said that

russian propaganda has overtaken the republican caucus and the house of representatives. so understand this. right now, rather than kevin making excuses for why he's not speaker, why don't we just talk about what is at hand? i have to be very honest with you. i think it was and a lot of time on what's his name's trials and tribulations. they all happen. why are we not spending time with what's happening in the world? it's about democracy, and the democracy is about abortion as well. abortion is a democracy issue in our own country. >> i want to stay on ukraine just for a second. that right now, it is so time- limited. as you mentioned, there's a ticking clock here. this is from the washington post. the top u.s. general overseeing, he warned lawmakers

on wednesday that they reached a decisive moment. ukraine will run out of artillery shares an air defense munition without additional support, he said. what has to happen? is it as simple as mike johnston just bringing it to the floor for a vote? is that all that has to happen? >> that's all that has to happen, but it's about donald trump allowing mike johnston to bring it to the floor. and all of this activity is springing from donald trump. so he's a puppeteer, and he doesn't mind shining a light on these strings, so he makes these people look bad. why is it that he is so pro- putin? i keep saying, all roads lead to putin when it comes to trump. this is deadly serious. people have lost their lives in the weeks and months that we have just delayed all of this. and in terms of our reputation

and the world, it is greatly diminished by what is happening in the house of representatives. >> i agree with you that trump is ultimately the one blocking it. but just in terms of how this might play out or get to a vote that actually does authorize it, it seems to me that trump won't change. ultimately, the speaker of the house, who is the person who is elected to run the house, he's the one who has to bring it to the boat. i don't see another option, unless i'm missing it. >> you described it. the point is is that you can bring a bill under rule, which means you need a majority to pass the rule and pass the boat. they obviously can't pass a rule, so you just bring it under cyst tension, two thirds, and we would win a two thirds vote. but at the same time, his people are saying, if you do that, we will vacate the chair and you won't be speaker. you know what? what are we therefor? we are there to do a job, not

to keep a job. the job right now is to fight for democracy in the world and play our role in all of this, as well as, again, having wrist for the in touche in which we serve, which of course, is lacking on their side. they don't care about the people's house in the constitution. they are there to people elected every two years. a constant reinvigoration. some longer, some newer, a const good mix of people coming into our country. what do they do but diminish it by one vote to vacate the chair. that goes back to the previous speaker who sold the speakership down the river by yielding to that to become speaker. again, don't spend time on that, and let the courts take care of trump's. let's talk about what's happening in the world. in gaza, we need humanitarian assist vince. that's part of the legislation

for ukraine. umana terry and assistance for the palestinians. it respects israel's right to defend itself, and we want to have some humanity onto that as we do that debate. but we just have to pass legislation to do it. we are legislators. they seem to have missed the purpose of our jobs. >> they can't pass anything. i want to ask you about a letter asking to withhold offensive weapons from israel. we strongly urge you to withhold any offensive weapon transfers until an investigation into that and is concluded. those responsible are held accountable. you are one of the signatories, along with 55 other lawmakers. why did you sign? >> i think that is a very contained requirement. until you have an investigation of how this happened with cars that are marked very clearly,

marked very clearly to be humanitarian assistance. so israel says that they are going to have an investigation. they began such a thing, but i think we have to have it also in an independent commission. the letter is simple. until you have an investigation, we should withhold. they are having an investigation. i think it was a very contained letter. other people have different standards for what we should be doing in terms of offensive weapons. but we have a relationship that is a national security issue and israel has been our partner in that. we have a problem now with 33,000 people killed. but october 7th was a horrible, barbaric act. hostages must be freed. there are ways to do this that are not -- shall we say, dehydrating or withholding food

and nutrition and the rest from children and families. >> i want to ask one last question on abortion rights. it goes back to this point you made about legislating. a lot of people will say a lot of different things in this campaign about where they are in abortion, particularly republicans trying to run away from their position. is there any doubt in your mind that a democratic majority in the house and senate would have any problem passing a bill to codify roe at the federal level? >> no. the democratic majority. of course, we have to get rid of the filibuster. but the fact is that we have to fight this state-by-state issue. the decision has to be made by women and their families. not by politicians as to the size and timing and if they're going to have a family. this is a democracy issue. it's a drumbeat across america

of democracy for women and their families to choose. not for legislators and politicians to make that decision. democracy in ukraine, democracy in america, democracy in our homes and in our families. and make no mistake -- what's his name will have a national abortion ban if he becomes president of the united states. read his eyes if you don't want to read his lips. >> i agree with you. speaker pelosi, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> with his most recent stream of hateful comments, donald trump can't help but remind us who he is at his core. that is ahead. ahead. ♪are you ready♪

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remember ronald reagan talking about jimmy carter? >> are you better off? >> are you better off? >> the only way we are better off as if they are better off. >> better off. >> better off. >> better off than you were four years ago. >> it's time for another edition of are you better off than four years ago? nearly every president asks the question, including donald trump. he literally just asked it this afternoon on social media. are you better off than 2020? is the thing -- it's easy to go back and check how we were all doing. this is the front page of the new york times from four years ago today. the top headline says it all.

it's terrifying, millions more out of work. effort by u.s. to halt economic damage can't keep up. benefits claims far outpace those a great recession. meanwhile, below the fold, those who feed the u.s. fear their lives are being put at risk. and finally, trump savors daily briefings. allies call them off the rails. four years ago today, the u.s. became the first country in the world report over 2000 covid deaths in a single day. and the president overseeing this disaster was spinning a different reality in his daily excruciating two hour and 13 minute news conference. >> tonight, over 100,000 dead from coronavirus worldwide. in the u.s., the death toll now over 18,000. >> the minimum number was 100,000, which i think will be

substantially under that number. >> the health system is still stressed. >> we have done well, and i guess the market thinks we done well. >> detroit reporting of deadliest day in this crisis and the growing impact on families. massive lines at food banks. >> hydroxychloroquine. >> infection rates could soar if the economy is opened to quickly without a handle on who is and who isn't infected. >> what metrics will you use to make that decision? >> the metric is right here. that's all i can do. >> a plea for population wide testing as a condition to reopen the economy. >> today, the invisible enemy will soon be in full retreat. if it's invisible without widespread testing, how would you know? >> one month ago, roughly 1000 americans tested positive for the coronavirus. today, the number surges

towards half 1 million. >> it could lead to death. but you know what? staying at home leaves to death. >> health officials caution we haven't hit the peak. the new warnings from survivors. >> i'm very good at reading language. i did very well in the subject. >> so you tell me. are you better off today than you were four years ago? ago?

>> i think any jewish people that vote for a democrat -- i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or a great disloyalty. >> we stood with prime minister netanyahu.

benjamin netanyahu. you side with the prime minister at the white house to recognize israeli sovereignty over the golan heights. >> donald trump has a long history of making anti-semitic more marks, invoking the dual loyalty stereotype in which americans must care about some other loyalty. the religion, the state of israel, politics, and he said you are a prime minister who is talking to americans jews, he is there president. just today, the ex-president again invoked the stereotype in an attack on president joe biden. >> he has totally abandoned israel. he is a low iq individual. he has no idea who he is or who he's supporting. he doesn't know if he's supporting the palestinians, but he knows one thing -- he is not supporting israel. and any jewish person that votes for a democrat or votes for biden should have their

head examined. >> this comes at a time when progressive jewish americans of all different stripes are engaged in intense debate over the growing humanitarian crisis of gaza, the conduct of the war under israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and the path forward. senator bernie standards is one of the jewish americans particularly outspoken, and he joins me now. i don't think you're going to take any had examination advice from the former president, and i suspect you don't think your head that's to be hammond, as you been very vocally critical. >> it probably does, but not for the reasons trump has. look, you have a president who is a pathological liar, who spends his life trying to divide us up in every which way, who apparently has no compassion within his dna. i'm

jewish, and proud to be jewish, but it doesn't matter whether you are jewish, whether you are christian, muslim, whatever you want. if you take a look at what is going on in gaza today, your heart is breaking and you're looking at one of the most horrific humanitarian disasters in the modern history of this country. as we chat here tonight, hundreds of thousands of palestinians in gaza are starving. the new york times documented last week, last week, the 28 children there have died of malnutrition. i think that number is way, way lower than reality. so we are sitting here while children are dying, they are dying of malnutrition. gaza has been demolished. the housing units have been destroyed. 1.8 million people have been taken from their homes, put on the road, not knowing where they're going and living in under dave, horrible conditions. that is the reality, and it

really does amaze me that people like trump could care less -- could care less -- that hundreds of thousands of human beings -- children -- are starving to death. he uses this moment for stupid politics to tell us how much he loves benjamin netanyahu, who is the architect of this disastrous policy. >> i want to play for you something that the president said about benjamin netanyahu. it's very clear there's tension and conflict among them at this point. had a conversation the other day after the airstrike that killed the aid workers for world central kitchen. here's what president biden had to say about netanyahu. take a listen. >> what i will tell you is i think what he's doing is a mistake. i think it's outrageous that those vehicles were hit by drones and taken out on a highway where it wasn't like it was along the shore, it wasn't like it was a convoy moving

there. so what i'm calling for is for the israelis to call for a cease-fire. allow for the next six, eight weeks, total access to all food and medicine going into the country. >> what do you think of that position? >> well, i think the president is absolutely right. he's calling for a cease-fire right now, and the world has got to respond to this horrific emergency. i mean, a few days ago, biden talked to netanyahu. apparently, he got some commitments from him to open up the borders more, to allow more humanitarian aid in. the new york times just reported a few hours ago that that may not happen 20 significant degree. i think there's got to be a cease-fire. the world has got to respond in a dramatic way to get food to

starving people. children are dying of malnutrition. you need certain types of food and medical facilities have been destroyed. but i tell you this also, chris. the president is wrong. you don't have to be begging netanyahu to do anything. we are supplying israel with huge amounts of money for decades. right now, there is legislation that would give israel -- and i voted against that legislation -- $10 billion more for unfettered military aid. the president has got to say, sorry, netanyahu. you are not getting one penny more until that situation in gaza radically changes. we are not begging you anymore. that's what you have to do. end of discussion. >> obviously, for months now, there's been talk about some sort of cease-fire deal. obviously of the utmost importance from the israeli side of the hostages. we don't know how many of those hostages are alive. we just don't know the number.

and this harrowing headline today, which suggests some real complications here. hamas does not have 40 hostages to meet the official swap with israel. senior officials say they don't have the 40 living hostages in gaza to meet the criteria for an exchange. any deal has to have some reciprocity, and hostage release is one of them. now you have hamas saying, we don't have them. >> this is a nightmare on top of a nightmare. i read that -- you know, who knows how they died or why they died. but obviously, you are absolutely right. people now have been held under terrible conditions for months, and israel has the right to demand their release. it's got to be part of the package. >> senator bernie sanders. thank you for chatting with us tonight. that is all in on this wednesday night.

>> a nightmare on top of a nightmare. accurate. thanks, chris. >> last summer, a tick-tock account posted this video that had an explosive claim. the video claimed that the daughter of a former ukrainian defense minister had purchased this luxury villa in spain. which the video claimed was worth ,7 million. the implication was that the money that the u.s. and foreign governments were sending to ukraine for weapons was actually just being embezzled by ukrainian leaders to buy luxury homes abroad. but the whole thing was made up. a joint investigation by the bbc in the atlantic councils digital forensic research lab found that this video was part of a massive russian influence campaign. one that used social media to push the very specific lie that ukrainian officials were taking foreign cash and buying homes abroad.