senator tammy baldwin gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> tonight arizona becomes ground zero in the battle over abortion rights as republicans in the state scramble to cut off two votes that would repeal the 160-year-old abortion ban. what's next is the issue takes center stage in the fight for president.

then with just days to go until his hush money trial, trump tries again to delay the case. plus what today's hotter than expected inflation report means for your wallet and for the election as "the 11th hour" gets underway on this wednesday night. way on this wednesday night. good evening. we are now 209 days away from the election. 101million americans live in a state where almost all abortions are banned. that is about 30% of the population of this country. with this week's decision arizona becomes the 17th state on that list. today state democrats tried to introduce bills to quickly repeal the 1864 law, but republicans removed one bill from the agenda and then went to recess before lawmakers could vote on another. on monday trump said abortion should be left up to the states, but now he says this

particular state made the wrong move. >> mr. president, did arizona go too far? >> yeah, they did and that will be straightened out and as you know, it's all about states' rights. that will be straightened out and i'm sure that the governor and everybody else will bring it back into reason and then it will be taken care of i think very quickly. >> trump also said he would not sign a national abortion ban if congress passed it. we'll talk about that in a minute. today president biden's campaign again pinned the arizona ruling squarely on trump saying, "trump did this and he'll do it again." vice president harris will go to arizona friday. she was there last month talking about the threat of the civil war era ban being reinstated. >> 1864, understand 1864 before women had the right to vote, before women could own property, before arizona was

even admitted as a state, look, these extremists, they're trying to take women back to the 1800s, but we're not going to let them. we're not going to let them. >> meanwhile a key ally of president biden's has some interesting advice about parts of his campaign messaging. politico obtained audio of the president's former chief of staff ron klain speaking at an event. he said the president is talking too much about bridges and not enough about bringing down the cost of living and told politico he's proud of what biden has accomplished so far but argues this election needs to be about the future. with that let's bring in our leadoff panel, ashley parker, senior national political correspondent for "the washington post," political white house correspondent eugene daniels and co-founder and senior adviser at forward, former dhs chief of staff and author of the book "low back a

warning to save democracy from trump's revenge," out in paperback this week. good evening to you all. eugene, let's start with your reporting on these comments from ron klain. it didn't seem like he backed off the comments he made in the audio. what else do we need to know? >> no, not at all. he said that he wasn't criticizing the president, but went on and talked about the exact same things that were heard in that audio. essentially what he was trying to say is the kinds of things he thinks works for this president is when he is talking like he talked in the state of the union. that was something that came up over and over again when i spoke with him after i called him for comment after i heard the audio. what he said was he wants to -- you know, bridges are important. it is an important aspect of what the president has done, but he thinks the president is much better off when he is talking about a contrast between what he's doing on pricing and what the

republicans have or don't have and what plans they have and don't have, right? it's not something that went over well with folks in the biden campaign and in the biden white house. they're quite frustrated by this because they say these are the things that we are doing or we are talking about lowering prices, but i think what klain was getting at was some of the concerns that democrats have and we know democrats are often people that are quite nervous, but the things that they're nervous about is that this is a campaign that talks about very lofty things, right? like freedom and democracy, things that, one, are not always easily defined for every single american. everyone thinks about it a little differently. so he's trying to push them to think about the things that are easily defined. we are a part that wants to lower drug prices. we are a party that cares about protecting medicare and social security, which is what came up. i will say he's kind of backed

on of a little bit after my colleagues at west wing playbook talked to him, but i think the theory of the case is still there, that there's some concerns within the democratic party about what the message is for the biden administration, the biden campaign. >> right. ashley, i want to be clear. the reason we're talking about this is because the stakes of this election could not be higher because democracy itself is on the line. i think part of what democrats are working through is how you have a message that breaks through in what is a chaotic and asymmetric playing field, right? how do they make that contrast that eugene just outlined? i wonder what you were hearing from dems about what they believe that should look like. >> well, eugene is right in the sense of democracy being kind of a -- you could see that as a 101 lecture course in college, kind of lofty, kind of not that tangible and so what democrats are telling me is they have to make this real.

the stakes and what democracy being on the ballot means in 2024 and so they think the most tangible way to do this is through in part through january 6th because there is still former president trump is trying to do a lot of revisionist history, but there is a lot of real footage of what happened at the nation's capitol that day and it is violent and it is harrowing. that is the sort of thing that according to democrats well should expect to see in ads, in messaging, and reminding voters for some people it seems quite fresh and for others they think it's worth remembering when there were smoke bombs going off in the capitol, when there's images of lawmakers fleeing for their lives, when there's protesters throwing things in camo dressed in sort of for military battle on the national mall and outside the

capitol. >> there's so much revisionist history, miles, on the part of republicans about what happened on january 6th, but there's also revisionist history on the part of voters about how the economy was under donald trump. we know that even if everything breaks joe biden's way when it comes to these economic indicators over the next several months, you're still going to have donald trump and republicans who will hammer him on the price of food and gas. he'll continue to exaggerate his own economic record. i wonder how democrats combat, that how they get out from under that. >> well, one thing i want to point out first is your point about january 6th and the revisionism, it's gotten into even deeper crazy conspiratorial levels. just today sebastian plorka from trump's universe was talking about how there were intelligence officers from newly released filings they found on capitol hill. i can tell you why there were

people from the intelligence community there, because that's what happens when you call in law enforcement in the area. you've got people who safeguard cia property and fbi property. you call in all these different law enforcement agencies. i've overseen those activations, but these guys read those tea leaves like there was a secret op against the country run by the intelligence community. it's getting getting wackier and wackier and those same conspiratorial views are bleeding over into things like inflation and the economy under donald trump. in fact, some of these conspiracy theory folks think joe biden has a secret four dimensional chest that he's trying to do things in the economy. look, it boils down to this. whether you're a democrat or a republican, it's really tough to say the president of the united states is the one controlling the direction of the economy. that's just really, really difficult to do. an economy is a very complex system like anything in the

natural world and it's difficult to ascribe it to one man or woman's actions. yes, a president can have influence over that, but there's a lot of revisionist history about what happened under donald trump, including extraordinary levels of federal spending that happened under donald trump that drove inflation. as a conservative, it was something that was immensely frustrating to me during the trump administration is he promised a smaller government, but instead was one of the biggest spenders, if not the biggest spender, in american history. so a lot of what we dealt with in terms of inflation really started during those trump years. >> ashley, one of the reasons i find what is happening in arizona so interesting is because in many ways you can look at arizona as a microcosm for what is happening politically all across this country. just today you had the state legislature, to me it encapsulates the republicans' position on abortion. they went into recess so they wouldn't have to vote on repealing the ban. when you look at what is

happening in arizona, what does it tell you about where national republicans are, sort of the corner they have painted themselves into on this issue? >> well, this is the worst thing that could have happened to former president trump and republicans. it was sort of like a shot chaser, but the shot chaser brought no relief. you had president trump finally making a statement this should be left to the states and before he made this during this deliberations process some of his advisers urged him to support the 15-week federal ban, but others warned him if you say that this goes back to the states, then you and republicans own every state decision. >> yup. >> even the ones that are too restrictive and also the ones that your base thinks are not restrictive enough and

literally the next day arizona came out with perhaps one of the most restrictive rulings that we can imagine and it's been fascinating to see kari lake in arizona distance herself from her own state's decision and trump, same thing. he says he want it to the states, but in that clip you played at the beginning of the show, he said, "but arizona did the wrong thing and they're going to straighten themselves out," and it's not really states' rights if you want to dictate what the state will do. so it's an incredibly tough position for trump and the republicans to be in and you will see democrats and president biden and vice president harris hammer this every single day and make them own every single state decision that is politically problematic. >> part of the reason that is necessary, eugene, is because of the way the former president likes to bob and weave on this issue, sort of have his cake and eat it, too, where he both

wants credit for the overturning of roe v. wade, but he does not in any way want to take credit for something like this abortion ban that we're seeing out of arizona. what are you hearing from democrats, from the biden team about the way they really hold his feet to the fire on this issue? >> it's by repetition. it's by every single time that former president trump or kari lake or really any republican tries to back away a little bit from some of these decisions that are happening on the state level that many think are too restrictive is by pointing that out and more importantly, reminding people something that trump reminds us all the time, which is that he is the reason that roe v. wade was overturned, right? he put three justices on the supreme court that did that. so he is struggling as someone who loves to crow about the kinds of things that he has done, the kinds of things that he made promises on and then kept those promises and also

that promise being something that is a vulnerability for not just him, but his entire party since roe v. wade was overturned. what you are going to see from this campaign, especially moving forward, is pointing that out in those swing states, right? arizona and florida are really interesting for many reasons, but they're both likely to have some kind of referendum literally on the ballot about abortion. florida probably not a swing state anymore as much as democrats home that it is, but arizona kind of is really in play. so when you talk to arizona democrats and national democrats who are going to be spending a lot of time and money there, what they will tell you is that we are going to spend every single day reminding everyone that the reason that we're having this conversation starts and ends with donald trump and also that donald trump on his own abortion thought process for years has kind of been all over

the place. at one point he said women should be punished. he was pro choice in the past life. now he is where he is. they want to tell the voters you can't trust him on abortion. he says he's not going to sign a ban, but this is a man who has issues with the truth and that's another aspect is reminding people he lies from time to time. >> from time to time is a generous way to put it, my friend. you have the vice president headed to arizona to deliver this message. meanwhile you've got speaker mike johnson going to mar-a- lago that same day to deliver remarks with trump about what they call "election integrity." i need not remind you donald trump is still lying about the 2020 election. i wonder what you make of the fact that this is the calendar priority for speaker johnson, miles. >> well, it just shows you how much the republican party has become the maga party.

from arizona and the total takeover of the party in the state save for a handful of rational republicans like matt and others who are trying to steer it back toward a different period and we'll see how that goes, these issues, the trump issues, are now front and center and everyone is reading from his playbook. what's remarkable, just think back to a few years ago when these same republicans parroting trump's talking points on were saying, don't worry, don't worry. he'll concealed control of power. there will be a fair transition. yes, some of the claims are fraud or overstated and now they've completely rewritten history. they're parroting his talking points, but what's more worrisome to me is that conversations like this about election integrity -- >> yes. >> -- seem to be feeding the narrative that this election might already have problems in

it before it's been held. i worry about the narrative they're trying to pedal ahead of time. >> 100%. and the fact they're trying to jiu-jitsu what democrats have sort of rightfully said is a real challenge. there could be election issues as they relate to donald trump. ashley, i've only got about a minute left. you had one republican source telling nbc news johnson's trip from mar-a-lago might be meant to send a message to marjorie taylor greene that trump supports johnson at the same time greene is threatening to try and oust him. i wonder what you're hearing. >> well, i think that's accurate. i mean a lot of what speaker johnson is grappling with is how to maintain his fairly tenuous grip on the speakership and marjorie taylor greene and former president trump are fairly close. it's worth noting former president trump's urging and cajoling did not save president

mccarthy's speakership, but to the extent johnson can appear to marjorie taylor greene to also be an ally of trump, that will help him forget about the policy. it will help him hold onto a speakership that can be put under threat quite easily. >> quite easily indeed. ashley, miles, eugene, thank you all so much for getting us started. when we come back, donald trump has tried three times this week alone to delay his hush money trial. it is wednesday. and later, prices are still going up faster than anyone wants, what today's new inflation report means for the economy in an election year. "the 11th hour" just getting underway on this wednesday night. is wednesday night.

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with just five days to go before jury selection in trump's hush money case, he is doing everything he can to delay the trial, trying and failing three times this week to get it pushed. today attempt was so last minute court officials didn't even have a place to hold the hearing. so they held it in the basement, this as the trump organization's former cfo, allen weisselberg, is headed back to jail. he was sentenced to five months on rikers island for lying under oath in trump's civil fraud trial. here to discuss, former federal prosecutor and senior writer for politico magazine. are there any more delay

tactics left in donald trump's sort of mary poppins bag of tricks? >> there might be. he's actually found a few this week i had not heard of before. so it wouldn't surprise me if he sends his lawyers to file some more motions. i don't expect any every these efforts to be successful in delaying the trial, but he clearly does not want this trial to happen and his lawyers seem quite willing to do his bidding. i would just say it's very unwise for his lawyers to be spending their time in the days before this trial wasting their time on these efforts. they should be preparing for that trial, preparing his defense. so if trump has sent them off on this sort of futile endeavor, it's really not to his benefit. >> as we often say, a nearly impossible client to have. i thought it was striking. lots of people try to get out

of jury duty. "the new york times" is reporting lawyers on both sides are worried about jurors with partisan agendas who are trying to get onto this case. just how unusual is that? as you are going through the process of selecting the jury, how do you get around that? >> so it's very unusual, the entirely unprecedented. there was a trial in federal court in manhattan that had to do with regard to steve bannon's build the wall of the. bannon was eventually pardoned and the jury hung because one person refused to convict and it appeared to be as a result of political bias it. can happen. it's something i'm sure the d.a.'s office intends to be vigilant about. in terms of how to fend this of on, the judge said in a recent order he won't ask the jurors who they voted for or intend to vote for. he's released a bunch of

questions that indicate whether people worked with the trump campaign or have family members that work with the trump campaign, sort of proxies for biases along those lines. >> i'll add into that, it asks about their media consumption which is an interesting lens through which to try to judge. >> yeah, it is. i don't think it's a particularly productive question, but, you know, the lawyers maybe will want to ask follow-up questions and things like that. that's not the question to me i would think would be really moving the needle much. it's more the questions about have you worked with the trump campaign? do you have political opinions that might prevent you from being fair and impartial? things like that. >> have you showed up at any rallies. i wonder what you make of this allen weisselberg news and what role you think that he could play in the upcoming hush money trial. >> yeah. i'm sort of -- i see a couple implications here. i mean, one, for the trial itself, i don't think it has much implication because he would have been a very bad

witness for either side to call. he's already been convicted of the tax fraud scheme related to the trump organization and he's not a reliable witness for either side to call. i don't think it takes him off the board for the trial. however, i do think the d.a.'s office, if trump is convicted, if that happens and if the d.a.'s office wants to seek a period of incarceration, they will be pointing to these prison sentences by weisselberg, both of them. they'll say, "this man was the cfo and sent to prison for engaging in criminal misconduct on trump's behalf. why should his boss, trump, who misused his own company for similar misconduct be allowed to go free?" i don't know if we'll get there, if that will work, but that, i'm sure, is on the d.a.'s office mind with respect to that sentence. >> we refer to this as the hush money case to differentiate

from all the other election interference cases, but it is fundamentally an election interference case. we know that's part of how alvin bragg plans to prosecute this case. what are you watching for? what are going to be the big developments in the next few days? >> you know, this is an odd trial for a bunch of reasons, not just because the defendant is so prominent. we know relatively little about who the witnesses are going to be called. we know michael cohen will be called, stormy daniels, david becker to talk about the national inquirer developments and what trump knew about why the payment was structured in such an unusual way. that's really the crux of this case, why was stormy daniels paid off in this very unusual way through michael cohen in this elaborate scheme? why did that happen? were they trying to avoid legal scrutiny? if the d.a. can amass a lot of evidence on that front, it will make their

case much stronger. if, however, michael cohen is their principal evidence, that will be a conspicuous weakness in the case. that's something i'm really looking at. >> ankush khandori, thank you for being with us. coming up, the biggest issues for this campaign when "the 11th hour" continues.

i think that the government shouldn't intrude in some of these matters. i'm not for abortion, but i think it's not the place of the states to punish women for deciding to have an abortion. >> the decision whether to have an abortion or not have an abortion should be left to every single individual human, like to me something like this isn't necessarily like a political right or something like that. it's more of a human right. >> those are arizona voters reacting to the state supreme court decision to uphold a ban on almost all abortions. the biggest fights of 2024 are all converging on arizona, first the immigration debate and now the battle over reproductive rights. let's not forget this could be the state that decides control of the senate and the

presidency. for more i'm joined by victoria defrancesco soto and tim miller, friends, good to see you both. tim, i'm so fascinated by arizona, seems to be a prime example of the way republicans have really backed themselves into a corner on the issue of abortion. >> yeah. just what horrible timing, also, for donald trump to put out a statement monday morning saying he wants to leave this issue up to the states and then the next day one of the most important states for him makes this absolutely draconian 19th century literally decision. i think abortion will be a problem for him everywhere. in arizona it hits a confluence of a couple factors he has. number one, the republicans really, not just trump, the whole republican party in a state that used to dominate has

been bleeding in maricopa county where phoenix is, spent a lot of time there and there's a lot of -- voters that are mccain voters, flake, ducey that maybe consider themselves pro life personally. they aren't for zero week bans. they're not for making a mother carry their rapist's child to term, these sort of very draconian bills and those types of voters have already been moving against the republicans and thousand this crashes down and that's going to accelerate that move even more and i think you'll see it the most dramatically in maricopa county maybe than anywhere in the whole country. >> victoria, i remember being in arizona during the midterms and talking to voters running in and out of the grocery store asking them about this issue and they framed it just as tim did, which was a question of

government overreach. this is too extreme. they've gone too far. you see momentum on the ground in arizona. there's a group arizona for abortion access. they say they've already gathered more than enough signatures to get an abortion measure on the ballot in 2024. looking at it in its totality, what does that signal to you? >> i see two things here and first let me preface this by saying i'm an arizonan and to understand the roots of arizona politics it's really remembering that it is a western state and really a libertarian state at its core. so that clip you first played of that voter of that gentleman, that is the face of that western libertarian. so i think that this overreach from the arizona supreme court will have an effect on some of those voters. some of those voters who may have held their nose and voted for trump again, that is going to have an effect.

i'm not saying necessarily vote for joe biden, but perhaps staying home. you say of that center, center right. the other one is the mobilizing effect, right? the mobilizing effect among the democratic base, democratic leaners, young voters, young voters who don't have the practice of voting and may be feeling disenchanted, aren't connecting with biden, but they see this draconian take on a fundamental right. that can help push them. you can't assume this in and of itself is going to do that. there will have to be a lot of mobilization between now and the november election, but that base, that leaner segment, this is going to be a key factor for the mobilization. >> tim, just to temporarily zoom out from arizona, 11 states are putting abortion on the ballot this fall. this is going to scramble the politics and the math, right, to vicky's point? if you have voters who are coming out expressly to vote on

this issue. >> yeah. nevada is also a neighboring state there that's going to be another absolutely key state at the presidential level. we've seen this really ever since the overturn of roe this issue has been a motivating issue for core democratic voters, but also for more swingy voters, democratic sympathies. it's not a total silver bullet issue. we saw in florida and ohio in the midterm, for example, there were cross-pressure voters that voted for a republican candidate, but also opposed abortion restrictions. to victoria's point, democrats will have to campaign on it and tie the issue to the candidates, but it definitely, yeah, i think all the evidence is there that it's been a boost. if you look at arizona and nevada, that just as a strategic matter is for biden,

the upper midwest, wisconsin, pennsylvania, now you have this sort of mountain west area where this will be a key issue with two other swing states that are going to be important to him. >> one of the other reasons arizona is interesting to me and you is it has the largest latino population share of any battleground state. you got an axios ipsos poll showing joe biden losing ground to latino voters. i come back to the question that is top of mind in homes like mine and i'm sure homes like yours which is why is this happening? >> what we're seeing with latinos is kind of that migration toward trump, but that latest poll that you cite, alicia, also shows while there's that disenchantment towards president biden, that there's still a firm hold on core democratic issues, namely, not as restrictive immigration policy and support for abortion rights. i think the problem here really

centers on the lack of connection with the candidate, that president joe biden is not connecting with the latino base like a george w. bush did, even like president barack obama did, clinton before that. so i think there's that problem and this is where the democratic party is going to have to lean on surrogates, going to have to lean on down ballot. you have a strong senate candidate in arizona. so that's going to have to be key because president biden is not going to move the needle with latinos in arizona. one could argue it might even hurt. so you're going to have to focus beyond that very top of the ticket to the senate races, to the house races and the trusted voices within the community to connect the dots. >> tim, just a broader question about getting to know the candidate because i think for some of us he's been president for four years. how are we still in a getting to know you phase? you have nbc reporting biden is

pushing a content versus crowd, social media videos with the president in small group settings instead of holding big rallies. i wonder what you think of this approach. >> it's okay. he's not going to get big crowds, so it's sort of what he has to do. to me the content is fine. i want to see in the content joe biden in his element out with working class voters, out with voters that are not, you know, just part of people would think of kind of an elite liberal audience, right? joe biden is good with those. it's his background with scranton joe. i think you can apply that to the latino community, for example, in arizona. i just think if you look at the numbers, there's some people out there that mostly just generalizing working class latino men that right now are saying they like gallego and trump. how can you speak to those voters? i don't think you do need the big crowds, but biden has to

demonstrate he cares about the issues they care about and hopefully ruben can be helpful carrying that message as well. >> thank you both so much for being with us. when we come back, the battle against inflation is not over. we'll break down today's new report on consumer prices when "the 11 hour" continues.

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reduced inflation. we're better situated than we were when we took office where inflation was skyrocketing and we have a plan to deal with it. >> president biden defending his economic record today amid unexpectedly hot inflation numbers. consumer prices rose 3.5% from a year ago driven higher by housing and energy costs. the report makes interest rate cuts even less likely in the near future and deals a political blow to the president as the election blows. senior analyst ron ansana joins me now. talk with us about this report. what's up? what's down? >> shelter costs and energy costs were up. middle east tensions are driving up the cost of crude oil and gasoline prices. we saw a big house insurance, home insurance and state and local property taxes which are also driving inflation.

these are things the fed can't control. the expectation was 3.4%. so it was a little bit off, but it does delay a rate cut as you suggested from the federal reserve till sometime later this year assuming shelter, gasoline, and other prices continue to come down. the president's right. they've come down a lot the last couple years, not as much as the fed hoped. >> you did a great job contextualizing the global factors that impact these numbers, but on housing specifically, why have those numbers remained so intransient? >> two major factors. number one, an enormous shortage of single-family homes in the united states for a couple reasons. interest rates shot up so fast at one juncture mortgage rates were approaching 8%, now hovering around 7%. number two, because most people locked in their mortgages during or before the pandemic, their mortgage rates are extraordinarily low and they

are disincentivized to sell their homes and moves. we have in a way a post pandemic lockdown of existing single-family homes and they're short about 5 million housing units in the united states and pushed prices 40% above where they were in 2019. that's been a big problem and that shelter costs and rents more broadly have not come down as expected as we thought they might over the last couple months. >> i've heard housing experts say it creates a sense of insecurity, right, if you can't guarantee your family's housing as sort of a baseline, everything else feels unstable and insecure. in your sense do, we see interest rate cuts anytime soon? >> well, june seems to have disappeared from the list of months in which the fed may cut rates. the fed is not going to start cutting interest rates until it's comfortable it's moving towards its objective, a 2%

inflation rate. that's not necessarily the same inflation rate we saw this morning. the fed looks at different rates of inflation and arrives at a conclusion whether or not we're getting closer to their 2% target or moving farther away. we're going to get a reading on wholesale inflation tomorrow morning and then we'll get some more inflation data between now and the next fed meeting. it's going to take a couple months to figure out if and when the fed cuts rates this year. >> here's the thing around the politics of this, they're pretty clear. >> yeah. >> you're in focus groups, look at polling, people talk. even when inflation was moving the right direction, people were still talking about it. you'll have donald trump criticizing president biden over this inflation report. he already has. i guess my question is what's his big plan, then to, fight inflation? >> this is where it gets quite interesting because the former president has proposed 10% tariffs on all imported goods, 60% tariffs on products made in

china and he's also proposed deporting millions and millions of immigrants, many of whom have come into our labor force and held wage growth down, which has dampened inflation to a certain extent. so his plan as he currently describes it would make inflation worse and would also likely simultaneously be recessionary. so the answer is not a good answer. the best answer we can come up with right now is potentially the federal reserve keeps interest rates higher for longer and that there are more programs that are focused on making housing affordable or increasing the supply of housing, not something that can happen overnight, but that's a better way to deal with these issues than what former president trump suggested. >> the answer is not a good answer applicable to so many things the former president says. thank you so much for staying up late and being with us. when we come back, actor michael sheen gets the drilling of a lifetime by 30 journalists

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>> i feel scared of birds. >> that's a brilliant question. >> the last thing before we go tonight, the assembly, in honor of autism acceptance week in the uk, the bbc aired a special in which 35 autistic, neurodivergent and learning disabled people asked questions of award winning actor michael sheen. no questions or topics were off limits as michael patiently answered all of their questions. many at home posted online that they were moved to tears by the show and hope there will be more episodes soon. here's just one of those questions by a shy interviewer named leo. take a look. >> next up leo's got a question. >> hello, leo. >> oh. >> come on, leo. don't worry. we're all there for you. >> that's all right. we have plenty of time.

>> you want me to read it for you, leo, or do you want to do it? >> we'll get there, won't we? >> you can do it. i know, love. it's all right. >> you take as much time as you want, leo. >> use your courage. >> you say that there is no other writer than dylan thomas. do you relate to his work more on a personal level because you are both welsh? >> that's a fantastic question. it definitely kind of resonates with me i think because a lot of his references are my references. a lot of things that he describes are places that i know, that i've been to, that are near where i live, and i find the way he writes just really exciting and vivid and vital and i suppose quite celtic, so that definitely resonates with me because of coming from a similar place and

having similar interests, great question. >> fantastic. >> thank you. >> well done, leo. >> it was a great question, something we can all learn from michael and leo. take your time. be kind. we've got this. on that note i want to wish you a good night. tomorrow night. you can catch me saturdays and sunday mornings on my show, the weekend, starting at 8:00 a.m. here on msnbc. from all of our colleagues across msnbc news, thank you for staying up late. i will see you this weekend. tonight on all in. republicans warm-up the bus for reproductive rights. >> if you had to travel to another state to get an abortion, it's not the worst thing in