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ruhle starts now. tonight, arizona supreme court upholds 160-year-old abortion ban . the impact on women's healthcare in the state, in the november election. then, is corporate america in denial about a second truck term? they may like deregulation but what about democracy? plus, new reporting on jared kushner's investment fund and possible conflicts of interest if his father-in-law retakes the white house as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. good evening, once again, i am stephanie ruhle and we are now 210 days away from the election. today, arizona supreme court decided to take the state back to 1864. it ruled that a century and a half old abortion law can come back into effect. it bans all abortions except ones that would save the life of the mother, but those rules are a little bit hazy.

the decision comes just one day after donald trump proclaimed that the abortion law should be up to the states, and it post -- puts the issue front and center in a battleground state that could decide control of the senate and the white house. >> reporter: tonight, a legal fight over abortion and a critical battleground state, spanning the planes of a political fire gaining ground toward november. arizona's highest court today backing a law that bans nearly all abortions and carries up to five years in prison for doctors who perform one. the conservative majority on the court providing in 1864 law that lay dormant for decades under roe v. wade. >> are you kidding me? i mean 1864 was before women even have the right to vote. >> reporter: the 66-year-old arizona resident fighting back tears. >> i'm devastated.

i just did not think that they would do this. i really didn't. >> reporter: the state's democratic attorney general says she won't enforce the law. >> it's one of the worst decisions in the history of the arizona supreme court. no woman or doctor will be prosecuted under this draconian law. i will fight like hell. >> reporter: some reassurance in a time of uncertainty, says dr. gabriel goodrich was practiced in the state for over two decades. >> i don't know what the law will be. it's so early to know how that's going to play out. >> reporter: is today's decision win for her side? the advocacy alliance defending freedom says the existing 15 week law doesn't go far enough and even if the state ag won't enforce a strict ban, other prosecutors still can. >> it is our position that county attorneys have the authority to enforce this law.

>>'s latest court fight over abortion only raising the political stakes in an election year. arizona, long a republican stronghold, now the latest state on track to get a constitutional amendment on the november ballot, creating a fundamental right to abortion if it passes. the vice president also planning to travel to the state for events friday. >> you look in state after state where they are passing these abortion bands and the majority of the legislators doing it are men telling women what to do with her body and i've kind of had it with that. >> reporter: while the former president and many gop lawmakers continue to avoid talk of a national abortion ban, instead backing state- level restrictions. >> some states are taking conservative views and some are less conservative but it's back with the states. >> the supreme court has turned it back over to voters. we've got to let voters sort

through this. >> was that, let's get smarter with the help of our panel this evening. nbc capitol hill correspondent alley, cohost of the msnbc morning show, the weekend. also the former chief spokesperson for vice president harris and reed gallon joins us, cofounder of the lincoln project. he has worked on a number of gop campaigns. simone, trump said leave it up to the states. this is what that looks like, a civil war era law now back into effect. how poorly thought out was this position he put out yesterday? especially now? >> i will just say this. i think that donald trump is doing and saying whatever he thinks can get him elected. he has no principal. there is no ground for him to stand on because the ground shifts and moves according to what he thinks will get him what he wants. in the statement he put out yesterday in the video, he talked about having to

understand what is on people's hearts but it's about winning. essentially he said it's about winning. >> how is this is a winning strategy? >> this is not a winning strategy. this is insane. women in arizona by now there's a 14 day stay on this decision but in 14 days, you can't get an abortion if you need one in arizona. the video that the biden campaign put out this week featured amanda's or oski. amanda had a miscarriage and because she was having a miscarriage and i'm sorry to be graphic here but all the things that had passed, she needed abortion. otherwise it's poison rotting in your body. she almost died from sepsis twice and now she and her husband will not be able to have children again. that's not only the reality of amanda zarovsky, it's the reality of women all across the south and with women all across america if donald trump is

elected president. >> all sorts of people do this. they say let the states decide. >> is a black woman i'm very concerned about this. >> but, is this what the state of arizona wants? a lot of it was put in place at a time when slavery was still legal. >> before arizona was at a state and at a time when women could not vote, when women were essentially property. >> is that with the people in arizona want today? >> the people can make their voices heard at the ballot box. two of the four justices that voted to uphold this ban, there on the ballot for re-election. in arizona, supreme court justices are appointed by the governor then after a couple of years they are elected. i suggest to the people of arizona when they go out to check their ballot box, they checked not only the top of the ticket, but they look at the ballot amendment that will likely be on the ballot in arizona to protect abortion rights and also take a look at those supreme court justices because your vote can make a difference.

>> trump is acting like he doesn't want to get involved in let's let the states decide, but none of this would be happening if he did not set the stage for row to be overturned. he did that. >> right. well, let the states decide is what dobbs is. that is the dobbs decision, is to let states decide. let me just say for so many of -- you know, if we have erstwhile republicans like myself watching out there, remember, this is the thing we used to hate. unelected judges, appointed judges legislating from the bench. we used to hate that. we used to hate the idea of the long arm of government coming into our homes and telling us what we could and could not do. we should just say this for history's sake. it is the anniversary of robert e lee surrendered to general

ulysses s. grant. this law was passed before that event took place. think about that. think about how long ago this was. this is not even originalist. this is like big bang legal theory at this point. >> allie, do down ballot republicans want abortion to be this high-profile of an issue? >> no, and when reed makes the point about what republicans are saying right now, if republicans like this, they would be talking about it. instead, in congress today, i heard a lot of republicans in front-line districts, for example, saying that this was not a good ruling and that it was in some ways dangerous for women, and that he preferred the 15 week ban. for a lot of these lawmakers, this is a problem for them, especially in a swing state like arizona. we all know lawmakers. if they liked it, they would be talking about it aggressively. they don't. they're trying to put distance between themselves and this.

i also think that someone who covered trump back in 2015 and 16, i was there when he said women should be punished for seeking abortion care. he then had to walk that back but i think what someone is saying is right. for trump, abortion as an issue has never been a political motivator for him. it is not something he seems to have any deeply held values on, unlike, for example, the person who is his running mate in 2016 and 2020, mike pence. for trump, abortion is a means to a political and and political victory. it is why we are watching his campaign team put out the statements they are saying this is a state issue. when you have a patchwork of rules across the country, you are watching the states where abortion is accessible and taking states like colorado, for example, where you see an influx of people traveling into the state trying to seek care. it is why you're going to end up seeing later term abortions, which are the things republicans are not trying to attack democrats for. later term abortions if you're talking tell the moment of

birth, that doesn't happen. late-term abortions are about 1% of abortions you have and those are largely done in the case of the life of the mother being in danger or fetal in viability. that is not the question here. when you have the patchwork, you're going to see later term abortions because people have to travel further. there are more barriers to their care. it gets to the reality that republicans are saying they don't want and again, women can vote now and we seen what they do with that. >> the argument that this is not trump's true views, just about political victory and political strategy, how is this a political victory beyond the primaries? the majority of the country is vehemently opposed to this. >> and look, i think this is a really important point in the one allie just made, too, is that this is where trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place on this issue, which is he tried to weasel out.

yesterday was just weasel words, trying to figure out something to say that would appease enough of these evangelical base but now you have carrie lake, not exactly a moderate, saying she is against this ruling in arizona, so you know what ruben gallegos' campaign is going to do? they're going to be saying we should go by the 1864 law, now wishon and now republicans are flip floppers on abortion and you know who stays home when that happens? christian evangelicals. this is their issue. it's all they care about. it's how they see the rest of the world on the way to their where dominion is him so for trump, he's been trying to get out of this thing for weeks, months now, but again, how many more videos do we have to have of him saying i killed row. i now, here you have it. we are literally back to the civil war. >> simone, this is the state of arizona. how much does this issue pull from the focus of immigration? >> i think for any of the border states and now not even just the border states.

chicago, new york, washington, d.c., places across the country immigration is still top of mind, particularly what is happening at the border. i think this is equally as important. when you poll folks and focus groups you hear people reacting to this kind of news whether we are talking about the alabama ivf ruling or this ruling coming out of arizona. people are concerned. they're concerned about their rights and freedoms and what this means for them practically. we talk often about the exceptions. you heard donald trump really lean in on the exceptions the other day. i want to pause and say joe biden has been very clear on this issue. he's going to protect a woman's right to make decisions about her own body and he has said if the congress sends him a bill to codify row until he will do that. the only way that is happening if you re-elect joe biden and kamala harris, the democrats hold the senate and the house. it's now a ballot strategy to protect reproductive freedom across the country but these exceptions for the life of the

mother, who decides? who decides the exception matters? is it the doctor because for amanda zarovsky, the doctor was not enough. for kate cox, the doctors were not enough. the doctor said these women needed abortions and they cannot get them because the state said they could not. >> my goodness. i want to go back to talking about carrie lake. she is now saying that she opposes this ruling, but guess what. we are just going to turn to the tape, because i want to share what she said exactly 2 years ago about this very law. watch this. >> obviously i think roe v. wade should be overturned and i think the supreme court, i have a good feeling they're going to do the right thing this time and again, i will echo what steve just said. we have a great law on the books right now if that happens, we will be a state where we will not be taking the lives of our unborn anymore. >> allie, i'm not voicing an opinion here. why would voters take either

carrie lake or donald trump at the current word on an abortion, a life or death issue, when they have a track record of changing their stance? >> and look, certainly tagging republicans is flip floppers on this is going to be a central strategy. i think when you forecast that is something ruben gallegos is going to be doing in the senate race and of course it's something the biden campaign has already proven it's going to continue to tag donald trump with. just the fact that they have him on tape being able to take credit for overturning roe allows them to do several ads of what they already did with amanda's and showing women who have been negatively impacted

by abortion restrictions and tying it directly to donald trump in his own words. the question, though, is better asked when you think about what you said, which is it immigration or abortion voters are deciding on in arizona or across the country, and that is when this becomes an issue that it's too early to tell if it's going to be the decider. that being said, and i have said this before, angry women who are full of rage tend to channel that into something. we have seen it in red states across the country like kentucky and ohio, and i do think that if that is the track record we are seeing, it's a limited set of data we are talking about, but it is one that has been consistently borne out in the post-roe era. >> these biden ads in his war chest of campaign dollars are going to be needed to jog people's memories. susan glasser wrote in the new yorker that this election will come down to trumps amnesia advantage, the fact that so people so easily seem to forget what he did and said as president, and the impact it is having today. how do democrats combat that amnesia? just power through with ads day in and day out?

>> well, i think it has to be holistic but i think that is a part of it and listen, he has not been better since he left office. he's been worse and we should never forget how he left office or almost didn't lead -- leave office. i think the rapid response team on the biden campaign is terrific. they are pushing the stuff out all day everyday, especially four days ago. the craziness trump was saying from the briefing room at the white house and so i think that this is not just that there is a trump amnesia thing although they do need everybody to forget that he was ever president because he's an insider now. but, i would also say this, that people largely are yet paying attention. those swing voters were ultimately going to make the decision. something like arizona they will pay attention to. trump four years ago, you know, will they pay as much attention as they should? not yet but the one thing i've seen is that they don't tend to start acting until they

panicked, so i will say that panic will be induced sometime in the next six to eight weeks when surveys are still close, which they will be, there is no question about that and then what will happen is the biden campaign will turn everything on. in july, we are going to have trumps convention. that's going to be crazy the likes of which none of us have ever seen and it's not going to get better before november so this is the strategy of the trump campaign, but it is not going to last. >> all right then. thank you all so much. when we come back, donald trump says a lot of things ceos seem to like to hear but have they really thought about what it would look like if trump regained power? deregulation does not mean much if you don't have a democracy. later, new reporting putting a microscope on jared kushner's foreign business dealings. we look at the growing conflict of interest in what he says, they don't matter. the 11th hour just getting underway on a tuesday night. tig underway on a tuesday night.

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the outcome of the 2020 election -- 2024 election will have wide-ranging consequences in the business sector is preparing for all of them. his corporate america in denial about the danger of losing our democracy and the potential of that happening in a second term? rachel, you have studied the impact of populism on business. what do we need to know? >> all over the world business knows that left-wing populism is a problem for them. left-wing populists overheat their economies. they give away government money to win elections and then they spark inflation and the growth crashes, so you get a small

uptick and then a big crash and a lot more volatility. what they don't seem to know is that right-wing authoritarians or right-wing populists to do precisely the same thing. the ideology, right or lust, doesn't really require to populists. populists care about power so what you see in nicaragua or hungary or india, whether it is left or right, you see the same set of activities. personalization of power, centralization of power and really whimsical decision- making that causes a lot of volatility, more stock market crashes, more risk and really unpredictable behavior. >> rick, when i talked to fortune 500 ceos, they talk about trump being unpredictable. they don't like his crazy but they sure do like the tax cuts in the deregulation and when i bring up the risk of losing our democracy, they seem to think it's not a big deal.

what are you hearing? >> yes, of course. taxes are going to be a big deal during the next presidency no matter who wins. we have the individual income taxes expiring. by the way, that's the top rate for a lot of these ceos. they know there's a chance that biden will raise the personal taxes and they do like the deregulation under trump. the counterweight is they hate trumps trade works. they really dislike that in trump is promising more of that, and i think of corporate america is basically being a moral, and i don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. i mean, corporate america does not swing elections in the united states for the most part. they give a lot of money to both sides. if you want to hate the corporate sector, go back and you know, there is this watchdog group called crew that has been tracking corporate contributions to the so-called sedition caucus in the

congress, 147 members of congress who voted not to certify joe biden is the president and 2021. a lot of companies give money to those members of congress. they stop for a while then start giving money to them again because those members of congress hold key committee posts. they can influence legislation that affects these companies so i think these companies are basically amoral. if anything, i detect more passivity this time of round. they're really sitting on the bench and at the end of the day what they want to be on the winning side. steve gladstone is a good example. in 2020 he gave trump a lot of money. now he says he's sitting this one out. >> you, in the same interview that steve schwartzman said he's sitting this one out, he said that our borders are wide open so will take a pause on his latest comments. rachel, you are quoted in the

new york times analysis of another trump term saying the business community here does not understand what is about to hit them. it's amazing is if you are a ceo, your number one job it doesn't even matter what your company specializes in, is to be a risk manager on the fact that they are not assessing this risk is astounding. >> that's exactly right. i think a lot of businesses, just as rick says, are looking out for their own income tax, the corporate and personal. they're hoping for some deregulation and they think it's going to be business as usual because the first term was frankly fairly business as usual other than the tariff uptick until trumps disastrous handling of covid when everything crashed, but what they don't understand is that populists, when they come back to power like hungary and or bond, act differently. they are much more confident. they have a different group of people behind them in trump's

first term, he had all of the normal republicans who come to government every time does another republican administration, many of them very close to business but now, just as what we see overseas, when you have populists come back and people know how they govern and know that they don't really respect the rule of law, people who do respect the rule of law tend to not want to serve and those administrations. they're worried about what might happen to them so you get a very different kind of loyalist, people who are willing to bend the rules because what these populists to do again looking globally as they tend to bend the rules for themselves. you get more cronyism and corruption generally within the family, the kind of things jared kushner has been doing during the first term, getting much more flamboyant. in the second term and hungry under or bond, suddenly there

on top of the world are forced to sell to a crony or family member because the government tweaks the regulations, put the cap on the money they can make by capping prices and forces them to take an offer they can't refuse, so a second term for populists looks a lot different than the first, and i think we can expect that here. >> think of all the companies, all the investors who will never take russian money. they don't want to do business in the country for they cannot trust the rule of law and of course vladimir putin, world leader of choice for donald trump. before we go i need to get your latest take on truth social. what is your take on where things stand right now? >> i talked to one ceo about this last week and he said it's not a business. you can't have $58 million of losses in a year and only $4 million in revenue. for a publicly traded company, $4 million of revenue is only a little bit better than zero. this is a binary bet for people who want to buy this stock on whether donald trump is going to win the presidency. if he does win, the company

might have a future. if he loses, it's toast and i know you yourself have pointed out that it is very hard to do short trading in this stock because there aren't enough shares. which means the market pressure that would normally be there to drive the stock down is not there, so we could see a bump in this stock in the foreseeable future, but i think as we get closer to the election, my best guess is this company is going to tank because people are not going to be willing to hold -- this is a great phrase i saw on a reddit thread, maga bag holders. who wants to be the maga bag holder holding stock long if trump loses, you know. i'm not putting my money in it. if viewers want to put their money into a bet that trump will win, so be it. rick, thank you for being here. rachel, as well. when we return, jared kushner cashing in on the relationships he built while trump and jared himself were in the white house.

we're going to take a look at the unusual dependence on foreign sources he has, and what could happen if trump were to be elected again when the 11th hour continues. en the 11th hour continues.

let's take a deep breath on this one. jared kushner's multibillion- dollar -- he had no experience

investing a single dollar until after trump left off, but jared kushner's multibillion-dollar investment firm could be facing serious conflicts of interest if his father-in-law retakes the white house. the new york times reports that 99% of the money placed with him by investors has come from foreign sources. that includes saudi arabia, qatar, and the united arab emirates, all of whom he worked directly with during his time in the trump white house. my friend, tim o'brien, joins me. he is senior executive editor at bloomberg opinion. he is also one of the only people who has actually seen donald trump's tax returns plus, he wrote the book, "trump nation, the art of being the donald." jared kushner now says he is confident that if donald trump is re-elected, all decisions his father-in-law made would be based on what is best for the country and not family business interests.

is he laughing at us saying that? let's start with the beginning of the trump administration when his sister went to asia and showed a chart with her brothers face on it in the white house that she was pitching real estate business and why you should move to the u.s. because you could get a visa here or the end of the trump administration while trump was leading into january 6 when jared was in the middle east with steve mnuchin raising money for their next ventures. is he laughing at her face trying to say something like this? >> i think it's even worse than him laughing in our face. he just assumes that everyone is stupid and everyone is paying attention and if you just pick through a number of things, the arc of his own career prior to being in the white house, and what happened while he was in the white house, it just knocks the foundations out of this

ridiculous explanation he gives for something that is nothing more than influence peddling and raw financial conflicts of interest. he famously got into harvard after his father made a $2.5 million donation to harvard. he came out of harvard fully armed with consultants fee, buzzwords about business and being a can-do young man, et cetera, with again having very little to show for it other than his family's own wealth as this enormous cushion that got him along in the world, which by the way is very similar to donald trump some trajectory. >> here's the problem. he is now a very rich man. since he left the trump white house, he did get $2 billion from mbs, so we might be stupid. we are paying attention but we might actually be stupid because if these conflicts of interest that he clearly has are not illegal, if they are

merely frowned upon, he's going to keep on trucking and left his way all the way to the bank, which he has done over the last three years. >> as did trump, and the problem with this is that we do not -- even if we are fully aware of what is going on and it is deeply baked into our conscience that all they're doing is feathering their wall based on white house access or the ability to shape national policy, the reason it goes on is because the executive branch and the u.s. government is not subject to a rigorous slate of conflict of interest rules as many other parts of the government are. by the way, the supreme court is exempt from a lot of these rules and we've seen the process that emerge there. that's one of the lessons we've learned from the trump area in

a number of ways that we don't have the structures around this office to reign in this kind of behavior. we've seen it. we just have to address it. congress needs to address it in the regulatory structure needs to address it and until we do, they're going to keep doing this. what is the most aggravating about jared kushner is what comes out of his mouth to explain it. in the times story today where he acknowledges he would not let the business interests he's enjoying now that came directly out of his experience in the white house he's says yeah but he's presenting that is if it is anodyne and just a fact of his existence but in fact it's a grotesque problem. >> it is a grotesque problem that our current government has done nothing to solve for. during the trump administration when we saw all of this

grotesque business, you and i talked about it all the time, the biden administration and democrats said, we need to get this man out of the white house because we need to change the rules so this never happens again. rules were vague because there was never someone in office like a donald trump who would abuse power the way he did. well, he lost in the none of the rules were changed. >> and on top of it, we don't call this what it is. it's not an investment by the saudi's. it's a crime. they are giving an untested person who has absolutely no track record as an investor a lush mountain of money that he is allowed to glean huge fees from and the only reason he is getting that money is his proximity to a past president who may be a future president. it's hedged by foreign governments so they can influence policy through jared kushner. >> even if we call it what it is, guess what. jared can just turn the news off. he can throw the newspaper out. >> which is what he does. >> there are no consequences for this behavior. so, we are the fools here. >> i think the entire trump year is a lesson in why we have

to quickly and robustly change these rules and that is not going to happen until you get a change of controlling congress and you get people who actually look at everything that is happened in the trump administration and every loophole he and his family members have gone through, including jared kushner and his former secretary treasury steve mnuchin. >> here is what i can tell you, tim. at this very moment, current sitting member of congress just said to me in my remaining time in congress, i am rolling out big bipartisan legislation on influence peddling that would address this very thing, so guess what. congress is watching. maybe they're listening. maybe something will get done. thank you so much for joining us. when we come back, a very serious conversation. losing a child is never -- it's not just not easy. it is your worst nightmare. are very special next guest

opens up after the tragic loss of his daughter. he talks about the memories and the grief left behind and the new worker -like and friend, and an expected one. when we come back.

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you know david from his political analysis but right now here's what no father should never be, a grieving father. in february his beautiful daughter died suddenly, leaving him, as he puts it, with grief, memories, and her beloved ringo, of oil cavalier king charles spaniel. david is written some devastating words about this time and i'm honored to have him join us right now. his former speech writer for president george w. bush. david, i'm so sorry for your loss. it is extraordinary to me that in this time, you decided to share your grief, to write about your miranda with the world. tell us about her, and why you have taken this path. >> well, i couldn't not. about two or three weeks after miranda died, i woke up at 4:00 in the morning.

i had this idea in my head to write about my relationship with her dog, ringo my wife and i but for her in 2018 and who we have now inherited and live with. ringo is a challenging beast. he's very small. he stands about 10 inches high but he has a will of iron. it was a way to talk about something in a way that was more universal. this is a very personal loss. in a world full of losses, no one person can command the attention of the planet but if you can make something universal, take something that is big as small as a king cavalier spaniel you can share it. >> you said you wake up most mornings now at 4:00 a.m. what happens then? >> yeah. you have a lot of -- there is a lot of second-guessing. brandon was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2018, and the tumor was very complicated and

dangerous. it was operated on, and the operation seemed to great success but it left behind a lot of damage to her immune system and she had to take very special, very delicate care of herself, and she was someone who loved life and she was a fashion model. she went to war zones. she was a writer, she was a risk taker. she was someone who is a convivial person. she didn't want to live like an invalid, so she didn't do -- if she moved to palm springs and lived on beaches for the rest of her life, maybe things could've been a little different, at least on that day, so that is what you wake up at 4:00 in the morning with, regrets, might have been's. what if you could travel back in time and change one thing, could you make things different of those are not rational thoughts but they are the thoughts that crowd the brain. >> regina king lost her son two years ago and she recently described grief as love with nowhere to go. is that how you feel?

>> yes. that is very nice, and i would put it another way. it is grief that perseveres, grief that doesn't give up, and love that doesn't give up, and love that maybe won't take no for an answer because you don't get a reverberation back. but, it has somewhere to go, and i think that is why i told the story of this little dog, is that love has to go somewhere. you can't just put it in the ground. you can't just spend your life suffering, although you will suffer forever. you have to find some way to take the love you felt for someone and directed, make things beautiful, care for things that were important for her and nothing was more important to her than this

difficult barking dog. >> you describe him as miranda's last gift to you. you said he was her very best friend, but he basically terrorized everyone else. what is it like for you to now be with ringo day in and day out? >> well, our family joke is that ringo would always bracket me to do things for him and i said to maranda, this dog treats me like an assistant, and she said don't flatter yourself. he's a hollywood dog. you're not his first assistant, your his second assistant. you are assistant number two and that became my family nickname so i'm going through life as assistant number two to the spaniel. what i tried to do in the article, and the reason is sort of seized me and wouldn't let go -- i wrote the first draft of the piece in about five hours, was we've been so

surrounded by kindness and i wanted to talk back to people. one of the things i've heard from so many people who have been in this situation in one of the things i'm struck by is how many people who have an intimate loss of like this described afterwards a feeling of loneliness because if you are not the grieving person, grief is very hard to deal with. people are so frightened of saying the wrong thing so they say nothing. they treat the grieving person like something of a pariah and we are very thickly embedded in social networks. we have many good friends. i will hear from people who will be kind in almost every case, but i think of all the many people who are alone in their grief and i try to give them something back by giving them a language. words are my trade. it's not everybody's trade, but words are what we need. words are all we have. people say there are no words, but if there are no words, what is there? we have to find some kind of word to say some kind of something. >> david, you are experiencing every parent, every family member's worst nightmare, and i keep thinking you then go back to your day job, which is covering the brutal political cycle that we are in. people at their worst attacking

one another, behaving in the prettiest of ways. that is our polarized nation right now. how difficult is it for you to just go back to work? has your perspective changed? what do you want people to understand about what is important in this world? >> well, i have not quite gone back. after i finish this article about this dog is sort of fell silent. i find it very hard to write about anything. >> but you are reading the news? >> not as closely as i should. you feel like you are in a baffled room and the vents come to you from a great distance but the way you pull yourself out of it, and i hope i will pull myself out of it, as i remember my daughter was a person of great fierceness of

belief. she had strong beliefs and there are things i know that she would want me to stand up for. she was not a super political person, but she believes in this country. she believes in the democratic ideal. she cared deeply about israel, where she lived and nearly stayed, and i know what she would want me to do so i have to find the strength to do that. >> she did believe in dictators. she love ringo. >> is less of a dictator, more of a very demanding client. >> all right then. he's a david. thank you so much for being here. miranda is in our thoughts tonight, and i am so sorry for your loss. we will be right back. s. we will be right back.

we are all out of time, so no last thing tonight. we have an extra special one for you tomorrow, but for now, i wish you a very good night. from all of us across the network on nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. we will see you tomorrow. tonight on all in. >> i did everything right, and they indicted me. >> a last-ditch attempt to delay trial fails. >> the reason donald is doing this is because he is scared. in fact, the word isn't even scared. he