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. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts now. . tonight, arizona's supreme court upholds a 160-year-old abortion ban. the impact on women's health care in the state and the november election. then, is corporate america in denial about a second trump term? they may like deregulation what about democracy? plus new reporting on jared kushner's investment fund and possible conflicts of interests if his father-in-law retakes the white house. as the 11th hour gets under way
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on this tuesday night. . good evening once again. live from 30 rockefeller center and we are 210 days away from the election. today, arizona's supreme court decided to take the state back to 1864. it ruled that a century and a half old abortion law can come back into effect. it bans all abortions, except ones that would save the life of the mother. but those rules are a little bit hazy. the decision comes just one day after donald trump proclaimed that the abortion law should be up to the states. and it puts the issue front and center in a battleground state that could decide control of the senate and the white house. here's my colleague laura jared with more. >> reporter: tonight a legal fight over abortion in a critical battleground state
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fanning the flames of a political fire. arizona's highest court backing a law that bans all abortions, and carries up to five years in prison for doctors who perform one. the conservative majority on the court reviving an 1864 law that laid door mantd for decades under roe vs. wade. >> 1864 is before women had the right to vote. we are totally going backwards. >> reporter: 66-year-old arizona resident beth fighting back tears. >> i'm devastated. i just didn't think that they would do this. >> reporter: yet the democratic attorney general says she won't enforce the law. >> it is one of the worst decisions in the history of the arizona supreme court. >> no woman or doctor will be prosecuted under this draconian law. i will fight like hell. >> it does give me comfort. >> reporter: some reassurance in a time of uncertainty says the
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doctor who practiced in the state for two decades. >> i don't know what the law will be. it is so early to know how that's going to play out. >> reporter: is today's decision a win for your side? >> it is. >> the advocacy group alliance defending freedom says the existing 15-week law doesn't go far enough. and even if the state ag won't enforce a stricter ban other prosecutors still can. >> it's our position that county attorneys have the authority to enforce this law. >> reporter: this latest court fight over abortion only raising the political stakes in an election year. arizona long a republican stronghold now the latest state on track to get a constitutional amendment on the november ballot, creating a fundamental right to abortion. if it passes. the vice-president also planning to travel to the state for events friday. >> looking state after state where they are passing these abortion bans and the ma'amty of the legislators doing it are
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men. and i've kind of had it with that. >> reporter: while the former president and gop lawmakers continue to avoid talk of a national abortion ban. instead backing state level restrictions. >> some states are taking conservative views and some are less than conservative but it's back with the states and back with the people. >> the supreme court turn to do back over to voters we have to let the voters sort through this. with that let's get with our panel. ali vitali and the weekend she is the former chief spokesperson for vice-president harris and reid guylend he worked on a number of gop campaigns including john mccain, arnold arnold schwarzenegger and george w. bush. simone trump said leave it up to the states. this is what that looks like. a civil war era law now back
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into effect. how poorly thought out was this position he put out yesterday, especially now? >> well, i will say this. i think that donald trump is doing and saying whatever he thinks can get him elected. he has no principle. there is no ground for him to stand on because the ground shifts and moves according to what he thinks will get him what he wants. in the statement he put out he talked about you have to understand what is on people's parties but it is about winning. he says it's about winning. >> how is this a winning strategy. >> it is not a wink strategy. this is insane. women in arizona right now there is a 14-day stay on this decision. but in 14-days, you can't get an abortion if you need one in arizona. the video the biden campaign featured amanda, she had a miscarriage. and because she was having a
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miscarriage and i'm sorry to be graphic she needed an abortion. and -- >> otherwise it is rotting in your body. >> and that poison rotted to the point now she almost died from sepsis twice and now they might not be able to have children again. that is the reality of women all across the south and it will be the reality of women across america if donald trump is reelected president. >> simone i close my eyes and think donald trump makes the argument leave it to the states. the small government people that say let the states decide. >> as a black woman i'm concerned about let the states decide. >> is this what the state of arizona wants a law put in place at a time when slavery was still legal. >> before arizona was a state at a time when women could not vote women were property. >> is that what the people in arizona want today? >> you know what? the people in arizona can make
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their voices heard at the ballot box. two of the justices that voted to uphold this ban they are on the ballot for reelection. in arizona they are appointed by the governor and they are then elected. i suggest that the people of arizona when they check their ballot box they check the top of the ticket and down ballot for senators and state legislators and they look at the ballot amendment to protect abortion rights and also take a look at those supreme court justices. because your vote can make a difference. >> reid, trump is acting like he doesn't want to get involved and let's let the states decide. none would be happening if he did not set the stage for roe to be overturned. he did that. >> right. well, let the states decide is what dobbs is. that is the dobbs decision and we've seen how many states have decided. let me say for so many if we have republicans like myself watching, remember this is the
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thing that we used to hate. unelected judges, so to speak, appointed judges legislating from the bench. we used to hate that. we used to hate the idea of long arm of government coming into our homes and tell us what we could and couldn't do. and we should say this for history sake it's the anniversary of robert e. lee surrendering to grant. this law was passed before that event took place. think about that. think about how long ago this was. this isn't originalist this is big bang legal theory at this point. >> ali did down ballot republicans want abortion to be this high profile of an issue? >> no. and when reid makes the point about what republicans are saying right now, if republicans liked this they would be talking about it. instead, in congress today, i heard a lot of republicans in frontline districts like
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congressman saying this was not a good ruling and that it was in some ways dangerous for women and he preferred the 15-week ban. for a lot of these lawmakers this is a problem for them. especially in a swing state like arizona. we all know lawmakers if they liked it they would be talking about it. they don't. they are trying to put distance between themselves and this. i also think as someone who covered frum in 2015 and 16 i was there when he said women should be punished for seeking abortion care. and what simon is saying is right. abortion as an issue has never been a political motivator. not something that he seems to have deeply held values on unlike for example, the person who was his running mate in 2016 and 2020, mike pence. instead for trump abortion is a means to a political end and a political victory. it's why we're watching his campaign team put out the statements that they are saying
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this is a states issue. here is a thing when you have a patient woerk of rules around the country you are watching states like colorado for example where you are seeing an influx of people traveling into the state trying to seek care. it's why you are going to end up seeing later term abortions which are the thing that republicans are trying to attack democrats for. later term abortions if you are talking about up until the moment of birth, that doesn't happen late term abortions are about 1% of abortions that you have. and those are largely done in the case of the life of the mother being in danger or fetal invariety. that is not the question here. when you have the patchwork you will see later term abortions because people have to travel further and more barriers to the care. it gets to the reality that republicans are saying they don't want and as a political issue women can vote now and we've seen what they do now.
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>> the argument it's about political victory and political strategy. how is this a political victory beyond the primaries? the majority of the country is opposed to this? >> well, and look, this is a really important point stephanie and the one that ali made too. this is where trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. he tried to weasel out and yesterday was weasel words trying to figure out something to say that was going to appease enough of his base. but now you've got kari lake not exactly a moderate saying she is against this ruling in arizona. so you know what ruben gallego campaign is going to do? they will have her saying we should go by the 1864 law, no we shouldn't and republicans are flip-floppers on abortion. you know who stays home when that happens christian
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evangelicals. and for trump he has been trying to get out of this thing for weeks, months now. but how many more videos do we have to have of him saying i killed roe, i killed roe. and now, here you have it. we're literally back to the civil war. >> simone this is the state of arizona. how much does this issue pull from the focus which is immigration, immigration, immigration? >> i think any of border states and now not just the border state if you live in chicago, denver, new york, washington, d.c., immigration is top of mind particularly what is happening at the border. but i think this is just as equally as important. when you poll folks poll after poll focus groups, you hear people reacting to this kind of news whether we're talking about the alabama ivf ruling or this ruling out of arizona. people are concerned. they are concerned about their rights and freedoms. and what this means for them
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practically. we talk often about the exceptions. you heard donald trump lean in on the exceptions. i want to pause and say joe biden has been clear on this issue. joe biden is going to protect the woman's right to make decisions about her body and if congress sends him a bill to codify roe into law he is doing that. if you reelect bares and democrats have to take the house and it is a down ballot strategy. to be clear these exceptions for life of a mother health of a mother. >> who are they? >> exactly they are vague and who decides that the exception matters? is it the doctor? for amanda, the doctor wasn't enough. for kate cox the doctors weren't enough the doctors said the women needed abortions and they could not get them because the state said they could not. >> i want to go back to talking about kari lake a republican there. she is now saying she opposes
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this ruling. but guess what? we're going to turn to the tape. because i want to share what she said exactly two years ago about this very law. watch this. >> obviously i think roe vs. wade should be overturned and i think the supreme court i have a good feeling they will do the right thing this time. and again, i will echo what steve said we have a great law on the books if that happens we will be a state where we will not be taking the lives of our unborn anymore. >> ali i'm not voicing an opinion here. why would voters take either kari lake or donald trump at their current word on abortion? a life or death issue when they have a track record of changing their stance? >> and look, certainly tagging republicans as flip-floppers on this is going to be a central strategy. rooetd is right when you forecast that is something that
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ruben gallego is going to be doing in the senate race. and, of course, it's something the biden campaign is proven it will continue to tag donald trump with. the fact they have him on tape taking credit for overreturning roe allows them to do several ads what they they did with amanda's ad showing women who have been negatively impacted and tying it directly to donald trump in his own words. the question though is better asked when you think about what you said, which is is it immigration or abortion that voters are deciding on in arizona or across the country? and that is when this becomes an issue that it's too early to tell if it's going to be the decider. that being said and i've said this before and i will say it again, angry women full of rage tend to channel that into something we have seen it in red states like kentucky and ohio and i do think that if that's the track record we're seeing it is a limited set of data we're talking about, but it is one
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that is being consistently born out in the post roe era. >> reid, these biden ads and his war chest of campaign dollars are going to be needed to jog people's memories. susan glass writes this election will come down to trump's amnesia advantage the fact that people so easily seem to forget what he did and said as president. and the impact it's having today. how do democrats combat that amnesia? power through with ads day in and day out? >> well, i think it has to be holistic but i think that is a part of it. he hasn't been better since he left office he's been worse and we should not forget how he almost didn't leave office. the rapid response team on the biden campaign is terrific. they are pushing this stuff out all day, especially four years ago, the craziness that trump was saying from the briefing room at the white house. i think that this is not just
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that there is a trump amnesia thing although they need everybody to forget he was ever president. he is an insider now. but i would also say this is that people largely aren't yet paying attention. the swing voters ultimately going to make the decision something like arizona they will pay attention to. trump four years ago, will they pay as much attention? not yet. the one thing i've seen my democratic friends do not start acting until they panic, panic will be induced in the next six to eight weeks when surveys are close which they will be. there's no question about that. and what will happen is the biden campaign will turn everything on in july we are going to have trump's convention. that is going to be banana phones crazy the likes none of us have seen and it's not going to get better between now and november. yeah, this is the strategy of the trump campaign. but it's not going to last. >> all right.
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ali, simone and reid thank you. when we come back donald trump says a lot of things that ceos seem to like to hear. but have they thought about what it would look like if trump regained power? deregulation doesn't mean much if you don't have a democracy. and later new reporting putting a microscope on jared kushner's foreign business dealings the growing conflicts of interest and why he says don't matter. the 11th hour just getting under way on a tuesday night. ) [silence] (♪♪) [silence] (♪♪) [silence] hey dave, don't knock it 'til you smell it. try the luxurious new scent of gain relax flings. and 50% more fresh...
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. the outcome of the 2024 election will have wide ranging consequences and the business sector is preparing for all of them. is corporate america in denial about the dangers of losing our democracy and the potential of that happening in a donald trump second term? for more i welcome rick newman columnist and rachel kline feld an advisers at unite to protect democracy an expert on democracy and the rule of law globally. you have studied the impact of populism on business. what do we need to know? >> all over the world, business knows that left wing populism is a problem for them. left wing populists giveaway giveaway government money to win
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elections and they spark inflation and the growth crashes. so you get a small uptick and a big crash and a lot more volatility. what they don't seem to know is that right-wing populists do precisely the same thing. the ideology right or left doesn't apply to populous. populists care about power and what we see is venezuela or nicaragua or hungary or india, we see the same set of activities. personalization of power, centralization of power and because you have a personalized centralization of power, decision making that causes volatility and more risk and unpredictable behavior. >> rick, when i talk to fortune 500 ceos they talk about trump being unpredictable but they like the tax cuts and the deregulation. when i bring up the risk of
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losing our democracy they seem to think it's not a big deal it's not going to happen our institutions will hold. what are you hearing? >> yeah, well, yeah, of course, and you know, taxes are going to be a big deal during the next presidency no matter who wins. we've got the individual income taxes expiring and that is the top rate for a lot of the ceos. they though there is a chance that biden will raise their personal taxes and they do like the deregulation under trump. the counter step is they hate trump's trade wars. they really dislike that. and trump is promising more of that. and you know what? i think of corporate america as basically being amoral. and i don't think that is a bad thing. corporate america does not swing elections in the united states for the most part. they give a lot of money to both sides. if you want to hate the corporate sector go back there is a group called crew that has been tracking corporate
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contributions to the so-called sedition caucus in the congress the 147 members of congress who voted not to certify joe biden as the president in 2021. a lot of companies gave money to those members and they stopped and starting giving money again and the reason is because those members of congress will hold committee posts and influence legislation. i think the companies are basically amoral if anything, i detect a little bit of more passivity they are sitting on the fence and they want to be on the winning side. the ceo of blackstone supported trump in 2020 he gave him a lot of money he is sitting this out. he is not supporting trump this time around and we heard the same thing -- >> in the same interview that steve schwartzman said he is sitting his out he said our borders are wide open.
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we'll take a pause on the latest comments. rachel you are quoted in that "new york times" analysis of another trump term saying the business community here does not understand what is about to hit them. what could we see? it is amazing because if you are a ceo your number one job it doesn't matter what your company specializes in, is to be a risk manager. and the fact that they are not assessing this risk is astounding. >> that's exactly right. i think a lot of businesses just as rick says, they are looking out for their own income tax their corporate and personal and hoping for deregulation. and think it will be business as usual. the first term was fairly business as usual other than the tariff uptick until trump's handling of covid when everything crashed. but what they don't understand is that populists when they come back to power like hungary, act differently. they are much more confident.
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they have a different group of people behind them. in and trump's first term he had all of the normal republicans who come to government every time there is another republican administration. many of them very close to business. but now, just as what we see overseas, when you have populists come back and people know how they govern and know they don't respect the rule of law, people who do respect the rule of law tend to not to want to serve in the administrations they are worried about what might happen to them. you get a different loyalist people who are willing to bend the rules. because what the populists do looking globally, is they tend to bend the rules for themselves. you get more cronyism and more corruption generally within the family the things that jared kushner has been doing during the first term get much more flamboyant in a second term and hungary, businesses think they are on top of the world and suddenly they are forced to sell to a crony or a family member
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because the government tweaks the regulations puts a cap on their money that they can make by capping prices and forces them to take an offer they can't refuse. a second term for populists looks different than the first. and i think we can expect that here. >> i think about all the companies all the investors who never will take russian money they don't ever want to do business with a country they can't trust the rule of law. and vladimir putin the world leader of choice for donald trump. rick before we go you have to get your latest take on donald trump's new publicly traded company, truth social. what is your take where things stand right now? >> i talkeded to one ceo about this and he said it is not a business. you can't have $58 million in losses and $4 million in revenue. for a publicly traded company $4 million in revenue is only a little bit better than zero. so this is a binary bet for people who want to buy the stock whether donald trump is going to
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win the presidency. if he does win, it might have a future. if he loses it's toast. and stef, i know you have pointed out it's hard to do short trading in the stock because there are not enough shares the market pressure to drive the stock down is not there. we could see a bump in the stock in the foreseeable future. but i think as we get closer to the election my best guess is this company is going to tank because people are not going to be willing to hold. this is a great phrase i saw in a thread, maga, bag holders who wants to be the maga bag holder holding the stock long if trump loses. i'm not putting my money in it. if viewers want to bet on a trump win, so be it. >> those focusing on this company more than wall street analysts it's the sec. rick thank you for being here. rachel as well. when we return, jared kushner
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. let's take a deep breath on this one.
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ready? jared kushner's multibillion dollar, multibillion dollar he had no experience investing a single dollar until after trump left office. but jared kushner's multibillion dollar investment firm could be facing serious conflicts of interest if this father-in-law retakes the white house. "the new york times" reports that 99% of the money placed by investors has come from foreign sources that includes saudi arabia, qatar and united arab emirates all of whom he worked directly with during his time in the trump white house. tim o'brien joins me a senior executive editor at bloomberg and a trump biographer and one of the only people who has seen donald trump's tax returns and he wrote the book "trump nation the art of being the donald." jared kushner now says he is confident that if donald trump is reelected all decisions his
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father-in-law made would be based on what is best for the country and not family business interests. is he laughing at us saying that? let's start with the beginning of the trump administration when his sister went to asia and showed an chart with her brother's face on it and the white house as she was pitching real estate business and why you should move to the u.s. because you could get a visa or the end of the trump administration while trump was leading into january 6th when jared was in the middle east with steve mnuchin raising money. he is laughing in our face? trying to say something like this? >> i think it's even worse than him laughing in our face, stef. i think he just assumes everyone is stupid and everyone isn't paying attention. if you just pick through a number of things, the arc of his own career, prior to being in the white house and what happened while he was in the
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white house it just knocks the foundation out of this ridiculous explanation he equivalent gives for something that is nothing more than is influence pedestrian delling. he got into -- peddling. he got into harvard after his father made a $2.5 million donation to harvard. he came out with harvard armed with buzzwords about business and being a can do young man with, again, having very little to show for it other than his family's own wealth this cushion that got him launched into the world. which, by the way, is similar to donald trump's own trajectory. >> here is the problem. he is now a very rich man. since he left the trump white house he did get $2 billion from mbs. so we might be -- we are paying
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attention but we might be stupid. if these conflicts of interest that he clearly has are not illegal, if they are merely frowned upon, he's going to keep on trucking and laugh his way all the way to the bank which he has done over the last three years. >> as did trump and the problem with this is that we do not have -- even if we are fully aware of what is going on and it's deeply baked into our consciousness that all they are doing is feathering their wallet based on white house access or shaping national policy the reason it goes on is because the executive branch in the u.s. government is not subject to a rigorous slate of conflict of interest rules as many other parts of the government are. by the way the supreme court is exempt from a lot of these rules and we've seen the problems there. that is one of the lessons we've learned from are the trump era in a number of ways is that we
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don't have the structures around this office to rein in this kind of behavior. we've seen it we have to address it. congress needs to congress it. and -- dress address. and until we do they are going to keep doing this. what is the most aggregating about jared kushner is explaining it in the times story where he acknowledges he would not -- that the business interests he is enjoying now came directly out of his experience in the white house. he said yeah but he is presenting it as if it is a fact when it is a grotesque problem. >> it is a grotesque problem that our current government has done almost nothing to solve for. during the trump administration when we saw all of this grotesque business we talked about it all the time, the biden administration and democrats said we need to get this man out of the white house because we need to change the rules so this
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never happens again. the rules were vague because there was never someone in office like a donald trump who abused power the way he did. well, he lost. and then none of the rules were changed. >> and on top of it, we don't call this for what it is. it is not an investment by the saudis it is a bribe. they are giving untested person who has absolutely no track record as an investor a lush mountain of money that he is allowed to glean huge fees from and the only reason he is getting that money is a proximity to a past president who maybe a future president to influence policy through jared kushner. >> even if we call it what it is, guess what? jared can turn the news off and he can throw the newspaper out. there are no consequences and there are no consequences for this behavior.
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so we are the fools here. >> well, i mean i think the entire trump era, stef, is a lesson in why we have to quickly and robustly change these rules. and that's not going to happen until you get a change of control in congress and you get people that actually look at everything that happened in the trump administration and every single loophole that he and his family members walked through including jared kushner and his former treasury secretary steve mnuchin. both are reaping business out of the proximity to the white house. >> here is what i can tell you, tim, at this moment, the current sitting member of congress said to me in my remaining time in congress i'm rolling out big bipartisan legislation on influence peddling that would address this very thing. guess what? congress is watching. maybe they are listening. maybe something will get done, my friend. thank you for joining us. when we come back a very, very serious conversation losing
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. you know david from his political analysis in the atlantic on on this network. right now, he is what no one should be: a grieving father. in february his beautiful daughter miranda died suddenly leaving him as he puts it with grief, memories and her beloved ringo. loyal cavalier king charles spaniel. david has written extraordinary words about this devastating time and i'm honored to have him join us right now. david, is a staff writer for the atlantic and former speechwriter for president george w. bush. david i'm terribly sorry for your loss. it's extraordinary to me that in this time, you decided to share your grief to write about your miranda with the world. tell us about her and why you've taken this path? it is amazing. >> well, i couldn't not about
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two or three weeks after miranda died i woke up the 4:00 a.m., i wake up at 4:00 a.m. everyday, and i had this idea to write about my relationship with her dog ringo who my wife and i bought for her in 2018 and inherited and live with. ringo is a challenging beast. he is very small he is 10 inches high. he has a will of iron. and it was a way to talk about something in a way that tried to be more universal this is a personal loss it is a world full of losses no one person can command the attention of the planet. if you can make your story universal and take something as big as a charles spaniel, people with share it and touch something in them that they feel. >> you wake up most morningings at 4:00 p.m. what happens then? >> you have a lot of a lot of
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second-guessing. miranda was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2018. and the tumor was complicated and dangerous tumor it was operated on and the operation seemed a great success but it left behind a lot of damage to her immune system. she had to take special delicate care of herself. and she was someone who had life. she was a risk taker. someone who didn't want to live like an invalid. so she didn't, she moved to palm springs and lived on beaches for the rest of her life, maybe things could have been a little different on that day. you wake up with regrets. i think this is a common experience for people who lost something. if you could travel back, could you make things different?
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>> regina king lost her son four years ago and she recently described grief as love with nowhere to go. is that how you feel? >> yeah. yeah. that is very nice. and, i would put another way, it is grief that perseveres. grief that doesn't give up. a love that doesn't give up. love that perseveres and won't take no for an answer. i think, but it has somewhere to go. and that is why i told the story of this little dog. love has to go somewhere. you can't just put it in the ground. you can't just spend your life suffering. although you will suffer forever. you have to find some way to take the love you felt for someone and direct it. care for things that are
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important to her. >> you could describe him as miranda's last gift to you. you said he was her very best friend. but he terrorized everyone else. what is it like for you now to be with ringo day in and day out? >> well our family joke is ringo would bark at me to do things for him and i said to miranda, this dog treats me like an assistant and she said don't flatter yourself. he's a hollywood dog. you are not his first assistant. you are his second assistant. assistant number two. that became my nickname. i'm living through life as assistant number two to this spaniel. so what i try to do, i wrote the first draft of the piece in about five hours. we have been so surrounded by
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kindness. and, i wanted to talk back to people. one of the things i heard from so many people now who have been in these situations, one of the things i'm struck by is how many people have an intimate loss like this, describe a feeling of loneliness. if you are not the grieving person, it is very hard to deal with. people are frightened to say the wrong things so they say nothing. they can treat the grieving person like a pariah. we have many good friends. i'm talking to you on television. i think of all the many people alone in their grief and i tried to give them something back. giving them a language. words are what we need. people say there are no words, but, if there are words, we want to say some kind of word. >> david, you are experiencing every parent, every family
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member's worst nightmare. and i keep thinking you then go back to your day job which is covering the brutal political cycle we are in. people at their worst attacking one another. behaving in the pettiest of ways. that is our polarized nation right now. how difficult is for you to just go back to work? has your perspective changed? what do you want people to understand about what is important in this world? >> it was after i finished this article about this dog. i fell silent. i find it hard to write about everything. >> but you are even reading the news. >> not as closely as i should. you feel like you are in a
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baffled room. the way you pull yourself out of it. my daughter was a person of great fierceness of belief. there are things she would want me to stand up for. she believed in the democratic idea. and i know what she would want me to do. so i have to have the strength to do that. >> she did believe in dictators, she loved ringo. [ laughter ] >> he is less of a dictator and more of a demanding client. >> he's a diva. thank you for being here, miranda is in our thoughts and i'm so sorry for your loss. we'll be right back. ss. we'll be right back.
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we are all out of time. so no last thing tonight. we had an extra special one for you tomorrow. but for now, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of news news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow.

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