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committee might add this is just another on that long, long list. >>long, long, long list. ali vitali. isn't it always. thanks, good to talk to you. that does it for us. make sure to join chris every single day weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 eastern. our coverage continues right now with katy tur reports. r reports. good to be with you. we have breaking news out of arizona. a law from the civil war era is back on the books. outlawing all abortions exception to save a woman's life. anyone who violates the law or helps a woman get an abortion could face two to five years in prison. the rules from the state supreme court now puts abortion front and center for november. in one of the most consequential states not just for who wins the white house, but who controls
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the senate now that kristen sinema is not running for re-election. activist groups are already gathering signatures to get abortion on the ballot in november but even if that work, it won't be soon enough to stop this law which could take effect as soon as 45 days from now. so how will doctors determine when a woman's life is at risk? we've already seen how fraught that is. in texas, kentucky, alabama, and georgia. in fact, it was only last week when ali phillips described what she was told when doctors discovered virtually all of her baby's organs had not developed. this was in tennessee. >> we had two options. we could continue the pregnancy but that posed a significant health risk to my fertility or my life, or we can terminate. but due to tennessee's ban, we could not terminate here and she felt she could not offer me any resources on navigating the out of state care. >> phillips chose to go out of
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state, an option she says was only made possible through a go fund me campaign. again, this is tennessee. well, the same thing happen to women in arizona? maybe, but maybe not. unlike other states that have banned abortions, arizona has a democrat attorney general. does she enforce the law. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. georgetown university professor and author of policing the womb, michelle goodwin. and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. lisa, i want to begin with you on the legality of this and what this is going to mean potentially in 45 days. >> this means that after 15 weeks, women in arizona will not be able to get abortion and up to 15 weeks, they will be able to get it only in instances where their life is at risk. and as we know from watching other states experience this, certainly though a woman whose lives have been at risk in other
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states but whose physicians have been afraid of how they will demonstrate that and therefore have not performing the procedures. so i don't think you can walk away from this saying well, up to 15 weeks, women whose lives are in danger will be able to get the procedure. that, too, is in question now because of how you demonstrate a woman's life is at risk. >> the she the won responsible for enforcing this law? >> no and yes. she has said she will tell prosecutors cease and desist from forcing this law. however, that's no guarantee and one or more could take her to court and say you don't have this right to tell me what i can do in my own prosecutorial discretion and therefore i think what we're likely to see as the number of clinics shutdown, hospitals refuse to provide the procedure because there is no guarantee that what address mays wants to be the universe be that
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universe. >> let's play governor hobbs giving us her reaction to this law. >> let me be clear. arizona's 2022 abortion ban is extreme and hurts women. and the near total civil war era ban that continues to hang over our heads only serves to create more chaos for women and doctors in our state. we don't need to call a special session. the legislature is in session now. they should listen to their constituents and do the right thing so that we are not living under the confusion and chaos. >> michelle, help me understand why a civil war era law trumps the law that the legislature passed in 2022 that made abortion legal up to 15 weeks. >> thank you so much for that
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question. this was a 4-2 decision in the dissent where the chief justice and vice chief justice who wrote an opinion almost as long as the majority's opinion. what the majority said was that the abortion law which went into effect months after the dobbs decision, the ban went into effect september of 2022. dobbs was released in june of 2022. but they said the law did not supersede, did not repeal, did not quash this 1864 law. to put that in context, in 1864, slavery was still legal in the united states. it was 1865 that the 13th amendment was ratified so this law itself is draconian in a way that really does not relate to anything we understand in modern day law. it's a time in which women were also considered to be the property of their husbands. we have moved so far away from
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that. so for many, it's really quite shocking the majority of the supreme court held in their decision they released today. >> can you help me understand why they held it? why they went back and said why this civil war era law where women were treated more like property was still valid? >> well, the argument, it's stunning to the dissent, their fellow justices, but what they argued was that the 15-week abortion ban was not something that trumped then this 1864 law. what the petitioners were arguing was that the 15-week abortion ban is the most recent iteration from the state's legislature about the status of abortion in that state. and that satisfied what the ban is the law. it's the law as recent as 2022 in that state and they said that that is the nature of abortion in the state that should prevail
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because that's the most recent iteration from the state's legislature. what the supreme court's majority said was that you know, they just essentially did not buy that. they said that this 2022 law did not one, repeal this 1864 law. and this 1864 law thus could still stand given that it wasn't repealed by this law and it wasn't superseded by this most recent law. now, the dissent made very strong arguments against that but that was, they didn't win as justice roberts says, these are sometimes matters of balls and strikes and the dissent just didn't have the numbers on their side. that said, it's really strange and unusual what we have coming out of arizona. >> shows you the importance of repealing these laws that seem to be trumped by other you know superseding laws, supreme court rulings, et cetera. there are tons of others in the books around the country that
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outlaw behavior that we deem completely normal today that could fall into effect given you know, an overruling of a current law from the supreme court. a lot of those out there. peter baker, let's talk about the politics of this. arizona is such an important state. what does this do to arizona? >> yeah. of course the six or seven most important battleground states this fall and a lot of democrats have begun to worry that arizona was slipping away from them. president biden is down by several points to former president trump in arizona but now this issue is the kind of thing that they hope, the democrats hope can galvanize them. there is likely a referendum to be on the ballot in arizona this fall. that could drive out pro abortion rights voters who presumably would then also vote for president trump, president biden, excuse me. and so they think that this, you know, ruling today you know, is the kind of thing that could
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shake up the dynamics of that race and put that state really in play for president biden. you saw him quickly put out a statement condemning it. you'll see the vice president in anthony on friday talking about this issue. this is something that is from the biden harris camp something that could be an important moment. >> again, there's a senate race in arizona as well and the senate is an uphill battle for democrats. what would it mean for rubin gallego to win that seat? >> very important for the democrats to get that seat. that's kristen sinema's seat. she had been a democrat and left the party. he's currently serving as an independent but not running for re-election. he's been trailing kari lake who came out this week and said she agrees with former president trump's position, which is that these issues should be left to the states rather than a national abortion ban the way other republicans like mike pence favor. so you saw already republicans in arizona starting to kind of pull back from the more you know
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hard edged version of the abortion opposition movement. but that shows how sensitive they are to that issue. they know that in states that have had referendum like the one that will apparently be on the ballot in the fall, every single one has voted for enshrining voting rights into state law including deep red states like kansas. so you're going to see i think an impact on the senate race and the presidential race in arizona potentially. >> peter, michelle, lisa, thank you very much. joining us now, national organizing director for common defense. thank you for being here with us. you spoke at the news conference outside of the courthouse today when this decision came down and you talked about your personal experiences. you're a mother of three children. you're an army vet now, but you were an active member of the reserves when you got pregnant
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again. what decision were you facing? >> yeah, just to clarify, i served in the united states marine corp. for ten years. >> sorry. my bad. >> in 1997 to 2007 and i joined the service as a wife and a mother. i got a waiver and oddly enough, my husband had to sign a permission slip for me to join and then my time in the service within my first enlistment of four years, i had two more children. so a total of three. and when 9/11 happened, i was actually at a combined arms exercise. two months detached from giving birth to my third child who is actually breast-feeding at the time. so i had to stop breast-feeding my son, go on this deployment and be away from my newborn and then 9/11 happened.
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so that was kind of my life in 2001. >> that's really hard, obviously. when you got pregnant again, why did you choose not to continue down that path? >> i got pregnant again around the time that i knew that we were going to mobilize to deploy for iraq. it was probably about six to nine months down range, but it was very much topic at hand. and having two children in the service already during times when there was no war happening or talk of a war was still very traumatic for me. it was not a welcoming experience. it was never celebratory. it was something that was very looked and frowned upon, frankly. and so i know in this situation, i was already struggling as a mother of three small children under the age of 5. it just was not financially possible. it wasn't possible for my career
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to continue in a positive way and so we made the decision to have an abortion at that time which allowed me to deploy to operation enduring freedom where the advanced party in 2003. >> what's so striking is you made a decision to serve your country, put yourself in harm's way during a very serious threat to our national security. very heightened moment and what are you experiencing now? what do you believe you're getting in return from this country? >> i have been slapped in the face over and over again. while in service and while out of service. and since the fall of roe v. wade, it's been quite evident by leadership at the very top level that it is a war on women. and i find that to be a tragedy. especially when i've answered the call. i volunteered to serve my country. i would expect to have full
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rights. i am emotional today. i am angry beyond compare. i have a 27-year-old daughter who should be thinking about maybe becoming a mother and it's traumatizing for her because she doesn't know what that outcome could be or what her options are. and so it's, it really is very sad and disheartening and i don't feel appreciated and for anybody to tell me thank you for my service, i just don't believe that at this point. >> god forbid your daughter would have complications. thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate you coming on with such short notice. >> thank you for having me. coming up, senator tammy duckworth joins us. what the campaign is doing and where they're doing it. plus, we know now what potential jurors will be asked on monday
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as the selection begins in the hush money trial. what questions do the lawyers have for the men and women who will decide the first criminal verdict for a former president? and how much longer does speaker mike johnson have with the gavel? marjorie taylor greene is grumbling about him again. with congress back from recess, what she says she'll do with her motion to vacate. we're back in 90 seconds. we're back in 90 seconds sup? -who are you? i'm your inner child. get in. listen, what you really need in life is some freakin' torque. what? horsepower keeps you going, but torque gets you going. what happened to my inner child craving love and acceptance? how about you love and accept this? p-p-p-p-powershot! when can i drive? you already are! the dodge hornet r/t... the totally torqued-out crossover. breathing claritin clear is like...
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we're going to get back to that breaking news on abortion in arizona and talk to senator duckworth in a moment, but we're going to switch now to the legal troubles surrounding surroundin trump. on monday next week, jury selection begins in the first criminal trial for a former president. this after donald trump's team tried and failed to delay the hush money case yet again today. but he still has one more chance. back with me is lisa rubin. so hush money trial is going to happen monday but the team has one more chance to delay. that's also happening on monday. how does that work? >> we've talked about in the context of federal cases before. sometimes a litigant will ask for an administrative stay where they want a court to consider a longer term pause in proceedings or enforcement of policy. that's essentially what happened here. donald trump wants to appeal the gag order that judge merchan has put in place. today he was before a single
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justice of the appellate division here in new york. that judge said no. i am not going to grant you a stay of the trial but on monday, you have papers due. you can try to convince a full panel of us that you deserve a stay of the trial while we consider whether the gag order is constitutional. >> this is happening during jury selection. what happens if they rule in favor of donald trump? >> if they rule in favor of donald trump during jury selection, literally jury selection will be paused. >> interesting. also the questionnaire for the jury. it has a lot of basic questions. where do you live? who do you work for? are you married, et cetera. also interesting questions about what papers do you read? what podcasts do you listen to? have you ever considered yourself a member of qanon or the proud boys or antifa? what are the lawyers trying to suss out here? >> they have their own competing
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proposals for these questions. what he's trying to determine is for any juror, not are you a garden variety every day republican or democrat, but are you a person who has very intense feelings about donald trump either for him or negatively such that it would prevent you from being an impartial juror in the case. >> i think a lot of people might think how could you not have a strong feeling, either before him or against him. most people do. is that the case? >> i don't know. i think you're talking about degrees of intensity. one of the categories of the questions, do you act on these feelings? have you been to a political rally? do you consider yourself to be a member of any anti trump organizations or causes. those are the sorts of things that are designed to test the intensity of feelings. are you a person who can't put
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those feelings, however intense they might be, aside, because you have committed yourself on one side of the other to a particular point of view from which you're incapable of deviating. >> next week is going to be a big week because we have the start of this hush money trial and the arguments on presidential immunity. >> on the 25th. about ten days from the first day of jury selection. >> that time feels much shorter. we're coming up on the arguments for the supreme court. jack smith submitted a motion today arguing that the justices should flatly reject trump's claim of immunity. >> yep. that's the third time we've seen him do this. remember that each of the parties here, this is the third time they've briefed these issues. the audience changes and shifts and every time you go up a level, there are more people part of that audience. district court has one judge. appeals court has a three-judge panel.
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>> so you tailor your argument. is that why we saw citations for former justices and their dissents? is that why we saw citations of marbury versus madison? federalist papers. >> most importantly here in the last three pages of the brief, you see jack smith make a number of sort of if then statements as what -- called backstops. recognizing who this supreme court is and given the way they framed the question presented, that's the issue on appeal, was whether and if so to what extent there can be immunity for a former president's acts. you want to figure out if these folks find there can be immunity, what does this line stop? where can you draw that line such that this case can continue. >> and they're arguing this was not an official act and it's an act that undermines democracy. lisa rubin, thank you very much. coming up, co-chair of the
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biden harris campaign, senator tammy duckworth joins me. what she has to say about the abortion ruling in arizona and what the campaign is doing to make sure the issue is front and center come november. plus, what congresswoman marjorie taylor greene just wrote in a letter to her colleagues about speaker mike johnson. how much longer is he going to be able to hold the gavel? don't go anywhere. a test or approve a medication. we didn't have to worry about any of those things thanks to the donations. and our family is forever grateful because it's completely changed our lives.
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donald trump's announcement supporting states' right, the biden campaign released this ad blaming the former president and gop front-runner for putting women in harm's way. >> footprints. >> it's okay. >> you no doubt recognize the woman. it's amanda zorowski who's been on the show. joining us now, democratic senator, tammy duckworth of illinois. she is the co-chair of the biden harris 2024 campaign. senator, it's really great to have you. there's this breaking news out of arizona reupping a civil war
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era law that bans all abortions in the state except in the terms of a woman's life being at risk. what's your reaction? >> this is where we end up because of donald trump. he has crowed and has been boasting and proud about the fact that he put into place the supreme court justices to overturn roe v. way, but this is what's happening. you have women sitting in the parking lots of hospital emergency rooms where the doctor said you need to go and sit there and bleed out more until your life is truly in danger before we can provide you life saving care. in amanda's case, she is no longer able to have children of her own because of donald trump's laws. >> what do the democrats, what can they do if president biden is re-elected and say the democrats are able to maintain control of the senate potentially get a majority in the house. >> well, we can certainly pass legislation that would protect women's access to reproductive
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healthcare. the arizona law for example would outlaw things like iuds which prevent implantation of fertilized eggs. you have in louisiana, a law on the books that doesn't allow for discarding of nonviable fertilized eggs that come out of the ivf process. this is about so much more than abortion. it is also about simple reproductive healthcare and only joe biden is standing up for womens' well-being when it comes to making decisions about your own bodies. >> the issue of abortion right now and a lot of these issues are being decided by the states. how can federal lawmakers step in and get involve? >> so i have a piece of legislation that would provide a federal statute that says americans have a right to access assistive reproductive technology and that you cannot be banned from accessing the technologies like ivf. so in these states where they are defining a fertilizedegg as
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a human being with equal right to the mother, when we create fertilized eggs when i was trying to have my first daughter, three for nonviable. we knew if we implanted those, it would cause miscarriages. you now have laws thanks to donald trump that would not allow doctors to practice medicine. my piece of legislation, which republicans oppose, would provide for families being able to access reproductive technologies so they can start families. >> donald trump has taken credit for installing the justices to overturn roe v. wade, but he notably is taking a national position that doesn't support a national ban on abortion or even a national limit on abortions. he said just the other day that this should be a state's rights issue. how do you think that's going to affect the voting in november? >> well, what i want to say to the american people is donald trump lies. he lies all the time.
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and do you think, do you truly believe that if republicans brought to donald trump in the white house a national ban that he wouldn't sign it? of course he would. donald trump would do whatever he needs in order to get donald trump back into office. he's already proud of overturning roe v. wade. plunging this country back to a place where my daughters have fewer rights than i did. plunging people in places like arizona back into the 1800s. this is what is governing women's reproductive healthcare. laws that were put on the books in the 1800s. this is thanks to donald trump. believe him when he tell you he's proud he overturned roe v. wade. >> what do you say to people who are worried about the economy and might think donald trump is bert on the economy and are also worried about abortion. do you think one issue outweighs the other? >> he was terrible for the
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economy. joe biden got us out of a potential recession. we passed the largest investments in infrastructure in this country. we are creating jobs all over this country thanks to the bipartisan infrastructure deal, the american rescue plan has been responsible for saving industries across this country and of course, we have the inflation reduction act thanks to president biden and the chips and science act that is bringing manufacturing back to the united states. if you want to vote on the economy, it's clear that it's joe biden who has revived american manufacturing. revived american jobs and is bringing manufacturing back to the united states. >> senator duckworth, really appreciate you coming on. thank you for being here. >> thanks. up next, what are the chances congresswoman marjorie taylor greene can unseat speaker johnson the way republicans unseated kevin mccarthy? and what prime minister netanyahu is set to do next in israel's war with hamas. what he's just told everybody
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on speaker johnson's agenda, ukraine and israel and on marjorie taylor greene's agenda, what to do about speaker johnson. this morning, she delivered a five-page letter to her republican colleagues calling a speaker a quote, failure.
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mike johnson has not lived up to a single one of his imposed tenants. if these actions by the leader of our conference continue, then we are not a republican party. we are a uni party. joining us now, ali vitali. lots of word there is. a lot of seeming threats but no concrete dates and no move so far to privilege her motion to vacate. did i get that jargon right? >> reporter: you did. it's really important. i'm glad you brought it up. the motion as marjorie taylor greene presented it has no timeline. it can just hang out there. a reminder of the fact any one republican can trigger a motion to vacate, but it's when you make a motion privilege that starts a clock on it that it has to be taken up within a matter of days.
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that's not where we are right now. you point out the fact she has a lot to stay about the current sitting speaker, mike johnson. this is a stand up from green and johnson's perspective and it all comes down to what happens over the issue of ukraine aid. that's not likely something that we're going to see happen on the floor this week though of course things move fast around here. if they're moving at all. what's likely to happen though when the house comes back tonight is that a lot of conversations are going to be had about the best path forward on this. there's a school of thought that speaker johnson might go forward with a separate ukraine funding bill that takes frozen russian assets and uses it in a loan capacity to help ukraine. that's one school of thought, but it still has problems. then there's also the senate supplemental funding bill that's been out there for several weeks. that's not just aid to ukraine. that's also aid to israel and taiwan. that bill has its own problems, too, within the house republican conference, but democrats could be there to support it and get it over the finish line.
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again, a lot of different options. a lot of ways johnson could go on this, but if he brings up ukraine aid in a way that angers marjorie taylor greene, that could be the trigger that sees her privilege this motion, starts the clock on this whole thing. but what could be different about this is that if her threat becomes an action and i say if because i'm not convinced, there are democrats who have told me that if it means getting a vote on ukraine aid, they'll back up the speaker. >> it's a question of whether this will all political theatre. thank you very much. prime minister netanyahu says he has a date for his rafah offensive. despite international alarm and worry from the united states which has called the move a mistake. the biden administration is demanding credible plans on what israel will do to protect civilians. so has netanyahu delivered? joining us now from tel aviv,
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hallah. has he? >> reporter: in terms of what benjamin netanyahu is promising the united states, that still remains unclear because the biden administration simply does not want this offensive certainly on a mass scale to happen at all. but benjamin netanyahu is in a politically difficult and tricky situation because the more right wing members of his cabinet are saying they'll pull their support if he cancels the rafah operation all together. so rhetorically at least, he is saying he is going ahead. not given a date. you have the defense minister told lloyd austin the defense secretary the same thing. that there's no date but the plan is still to go ahead and mount an offensive on rafah. what netanyahu said was we will complete the elimination of hamas' batallions including in
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rafah. no force in the world will stop us. in other words, the united states will not stop us either. but it is tricky because as we've reported over the last several days, the israeli military withdrew its ground forces from the southern part of the gaza strip. there are negotiations to come to some sort of's fire agreement. so even if it is a plan, it's certainly not an imminent plan since logistically it's not something that can happen in short order, katy. >> there's still so much anger in israel about the hostages. especially from the hostage families. one of the former hostages who was released sat down with andrea mitchell today and here's what she said about her husband who's still there. >> i'm finished and sick and tired of hearing that they're doing everything they can and keith is still there and the hostages are there. they need to come home.
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standard guidelines joining us from pontiac, michigan is shaquille brewster. i know his dad spoke today. what did he say, and what did the victims' families say? >> reporter: it was very emotional. you mentioned it exceeded what state sentencing guidelines proposed and what they suggested early on. the judge explained a little bit of her rationale. she said this is not about bad parenting but rather about actions that james and jennifer have could have taken to stop an unaway train. and as they addressed the court, and as they addressed the parents, of the four victims of that school shooting. now you mentioned james crumbley. we heard from him for the first time.
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another day, another problem for boeing. today it is an faa investigation into new allegations of critical defects in 1500 jets. a whistleblower who was a boeing engineer claims the flaws could weaken the jets over time. joining us now, cnbc reporter leslie joseph. thank you for being with us. they're talking about the dreamliner jet. what is the allegation. >>? the allegation that we're hearing today is that boeing has put together the pieces of the fuselage, the outside of the plane in a way that could over time create fatigue and then potential problems during flight. boeing is saying that it is not true and it has undergone extensive testing but this is shedding or testing light on boeing. it is already under scrutiny after the issues with the 737
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max and we do have a statement from the whistleblower's lawyer, a engineer who worked on the 787 program alleging that he was moved off of the program on to the 777 and had other threat as ledging that he was threatened with termination, while working at boeing and i'll read you a portion of it. our client identified serious safety concerns and did everything possible to bring these concerns to the attention of boeing officials and they prioritied git gelling the planes to market as quickly as possible. they were paused from delivery to big customers, think american and united airlines all of boeing customers for the better part of 2022 because of issues with the fuselage. boeing has said they have closely looked at this, corrected a lot of problems, done a lot of rework on the planes and they are flying currently and without incident. >> but they're saying they know what he's talking about and if it is a threat, it is a threat way down the line.
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if ever. that sort of language, when you read it, it doesn't inspire that much confidence. >> right. because these planes are supposed to fly essentially for decades. and on boeing side they say they have done the testing to make sure there isn't any kind of threat that is -- any kind of safety of flight issue, and also important to note that the faa has signed off on it as well. that is why the planes were delivered again after boeing had done the rework on them back in 2022. but it is going to -- there is -- an investigation and the faa has interviewed the whistleblower and there is an investigation so we should hear more in the coming weeks. >> and we've been documenting all of the mid-flight problems and the door blowing out, most extreme and the crashes of the max 8 a few years ago and the siding coming off an engine just the other day. a wheel coming off another one of their flights.
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there have been so many problems that we've seen just in last few months and maybe that is a more heightened awareness of the reporting. but it doesn't inspire again a lot of confidence that boeing is doing things right. certainly not in this moment. so they've got to contend with that. thank you very much. we appreciate it. and that is going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone, it is 4:00 in new york. with just six days to go before the tart of the new york versus donald j. trump, the kitchen sink strategy is being met by a judiciary more than willing to play whack-a-mole is swatting done his attempts to stop this trial from ever starting. a judge rejected his request to halt the case. while' peels that gag order that

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