months after as you did about republicans who didn't vote bip deal but took the money. i think we will hear more about this on the campaign trail. >> dasha burns, gabe gutierrez, simone, thank you very much. you can reach me on social media. watch clips from our show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," israel's prime minister netanyahu says he has a date for the offensive in rafah. quote, no force in the world will stop israel, signaling what could be a trigger point with president biden. i will be joined by tim kaine to talk about the political disputes in congress over gaza, ukraine and foreign intelligence

surveillance as lawmakers get back to work today. also, former president trump getting pushback from all sides on his latest abortion policy. one of the most vocal critics is a close senate ally and golfing partner. heart-wrenching testimony from parents and siblings in a michigan courtroom. the crumbleys are being convicted of manslaughter. >> you cared more about your well-being than the one life you should put above anyone, your child. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we begin with nes out of michigan. the parents of ethan crumbley

are being sentenced today. we heard from the families. the victims' families -- the siblings, it's heartbreaking. >> it's been very difficult to listen to. the victims all have this right to speak to the judge, to speak to the defendants before sentencing. then that's followed by each of the defendants, in a case like this, has the opportunity to engage in their own statement. many of the victims here focused on the fact that jennifer crumbley in particular simply wasn't recalcitrant and wanted to blame everyone other than herself for the tragic events that took the lives of their children. the judge will have the opportunity to weigh all of those factors and consider sentencing. the maximum here is 15 years. prosecutors are seeking roughly 10 years, had is above the

guideline range in part because of the fact that these defendants have shown very little remorse. >> joyce, we talk about the sentencing, what kind of range do we expect that they might be getting? talk to us about what the implications are. this really is a precedent setting case. >> it is a precedent setting case. it's unusual to prosecute parents. here it's the evidence that the crumbleys had unique information that could have prevented the shooting and failed to disclose it to school officials that led to their prosecution for involuntary manslaughter. the facts are very extreme. the judge has a lot of discretion. they will send a message to other parents. >> joyce vance, we will keep -- you will stand by. we will monitor this as it

develops. thank you so much for jumping in there. here in washington, secretary of state antony blinken says israel must expand its steps to ease the suffering in gaza. moments ago, standing alongside the british foreign secretary, the secretary of state praised at rival of more than 400 aid trucks monday. that's approaching a record level at least during the war. the largest single day delivery since october 7th, in fact. he insisted israel must continue delivering on its humanitarian commitments. >> what matters is results and sustained results. this is what we will be looking at very carefully in the days ahead. that includes making sure that the assistance that gets into gaza is distribute effectively throughout gaza, not just in the south, or in central gaza. it has to get to the north as well. >> blinken also said that they so far do not have any dates or

plans from israel for any kind of operation in rafah. he said the u.s. is continuing to work closely with israel to secure a hostage release but time is running out for that deal before the muslim holy day tomorrow marking the end of ramadan. the latest proposal is in the hands of hamas which says it's considering it. israeli officials are telling nbc news that a sticking point is the return of palestinians to northern gaza. israel insists only authorized returnees should be allowed back to prevent hamas operatives from regaining a northern stronghold. netanyahu says a date is set for the rafah operation. blinken says that has not been shared with the u.s. israel has not briefed the u.s. on a credible humanitarian plan for the 1.3 million displaced civilians who are sheltering in rafah. in an urgent op-ed, the leaders of the jordan, france and egypt

are calling for the creation of a palestinian state and a cease-fire. joining us now is hala gorani and michael crowley. hala, to you. gazans are returning. what are they finding? talk to me about netanyahu pushing ahead with preparations for an operation in rafah, but he is not saying on what scale it would be and he is not sharing the plans with the u.s. >> there was just a plane there flying overhead. the israeli prime minister is not backing down in terms of what he promises will be eventually an assault on rafah. not giving a time line though. you mentioned there the withdrawal, leaving one fighting

brigade. with that in the north, any operation on rafah is on hold. you see there some nbc news footage from our team on the ground of what is left of the homes of people. we saw some images of tanks turning around and going back up north. they came to see what was left of their homes. some of the palestinian residents there said essentially, there is nothing for me to come back to. an animal couldn't survive here, some of the residents said. this is all happening against the backdrop of the talks in cairo where we are hearing some conflicting reports still about how close we might be to a cease-fire deal. you mentioned that sticking point. this is one of our sources at the prime minister's office, who said that one of the several sticking points, but one of them is the return of palestinians to

the north of gaza. israel doesn't want the gazan population -- the entire population dislodged from the north to return without any checks. they want some very strict security controls. hamas wants unfettered and unlimited access back to the north. that's one of the sticking points. others, of course, are the number of hostages released and the duration of any cease-fire. hamas wants it to be open-ended and permanent. israel certainly has many times through its officials voiced the desire for it to be limited in time. >> michael, the state department -- this news conference has been in progress. i was watching it quite a bit. you are probably tracking it as well the last couple of minutes while we have been on the air. so far, david cameron, the foreign secretary who met with donald trump, i believe,

yesterday at mar-a-lago -- that's typical. they have been meeting with u.s. presidents and vice versa because of our close relationship. that's very common. he is not only the former president but the candidate now. the reporting was that donald trump had a plan for ukraine that would involve concessions to russia. david cameron said that was a private conversation. but that's controversial. on the israel front, the hostage families have been in washington. we will talk to one, who was a former hostage, and her husband is still a hostage and has heartbreaking testimony about what she experienced. what are you hearing from your sources about any progress in those talks where hamas is still considering the latest offer on the deal with bill burns and the others who are negotiating over the weekend? >> first, before the talks, i want to say american foreign policy is so complicated right

now. the united states is trying to hold the line against russia in ukraine. you have this awful crisis in gaza. threats looming from china and north korea and elsewhere. now you add into the mix the biden administration diplomats and policymakers, the shadow of donald trump complicating, potentially freezing actors around the world in places. they wait to see what happens with the u.s. election. that's going to intensify in the coming months. it adds a level of complexity to a complicated situation. these talks are a little opaque. i'm not hearing optimism that we are on the brink. that doesn't mean that people say it's completely hopeless. i do think there's kind of a growing school of thought, a concern that hamas' leadership feel like they are winning right now. israel is suffering enormous reputational damage around the world, being accused of genocide, a charge they reject,

so does the united states. you saw the killing of the aid workers. this is terrible for israel's image, whatever youmotives or j justifications are. they wanted israel to overreact. they wanted israel to cause itself damage and isolate itself. that would be a reason to be pessimistic that you would have a breakthrough soon. if hamas thinks time is on its side. >> i wanted to play something that secretary lloyd austin said today. his opening statements testifying on the hill were interrupted by pro-palestinian protesters. this is something that's been happening to the president as well. later, republican senator tom cotton -- this was the armed services committee, asked the second about accusations raised by similar protesters. i want to play this exchange.

>> i want to address what the protesters raised earlier. is israel committing genocide in gaza? >> senator cotton, we don't have any evidence of genocide being created. >> that's a no? israel is not committing genocide in gaza? >> we don't have evidence of that. >> that's a pretty declarative statement, that there's no genocide in gaza, which is a legal -- that doesn't diminish the horror of what's been happening there to civilians. that is a legal determination. it's now before the international court, of course, which is something that has come out of the u.n. proceedings. it's not something that's legally determined yet by the u.s. government. frankly, it's something i don't think they are examining very hard, michael. >> the u.s. can make that legal determination. it has not. i don't think we will see that. the u.s. is investigating

specific incidents of the use of american supplied weapons in gaza to see whether israel used them recklessly causing civilian harm that could have been avoided. that's a different proposition. >> thank you both so much. we want to go back to the michigan courtroom where james crumbley has convicted in the manslaughter involving his son, is reading a statement before his sentencing. >> the responsibilities placed on you throughout this case. have the utmost respect for you. i'm simply going to ask that you sentence me in a fair and just way. you presided over my trial and heard the evidence that was presented against me. you know that what my son did, i was not aware of, or that he was planning, or that he obtained

access to the firearms in my house. there was absolutely no evidence that suggested that. as my attorneys told you, i have been on lockdown for 23 hours a day. i have not been able to speak to my son since november 30th. i have not been able to speak with my wife since december 3rd. i know that i have experienced -- it pales in comparison to what they experienced every day because of what my son did. but i want you to know, i, too, grieve for everyone, as i have explained. for everyone that's been affected by what my son pled guilty to doing.

i will continue to feel this pain for the rest of my life as well. if i could go back and change things, if i could go back and do things differently, then maybe none of us would be here today. so again, i ask your honor to impose a just and face sentence -- fair sentence based on what you heard during my trial. i'm asking the court to sentence me to time served and place me on probation for the maximum time allowed with a gps for as long as the court deems necessary. i want to address one last thing. that's to what tate's dad said.

it is time that we all know the truth. we have been prohibited from telling the whole truth, the whole truth has not been told. i'm with you, mr. myre. i, too, want the truth. because you have not had it. you have not had the truth at all. the truth has not been presented to you. thank you. >> your honor, thank you, your honor. i did submit a sentencing

memorandum. i believe it was thorough. i do want to note for the court that especially in statements that have been made about james, that he lacks remorse, that he doesn't feel bad, that he is trying to put off responsibility on everyone but himself, that he has made threats toward the prosecutor. in some of the same calls the prosecution tried to use and has quoted in their own sentencing memorandum and attached as exhibits, as i noted in my sentencing memorandum, james said in the same calls that he wished he had known what his son was capable of, that if he had known, if he had been made aware of these things, if he had known his son had obtained access to a firearm, then maybe he could have saved the four children's lives, maybe he could have saved more than that. there has never been a time that

james crumbley has not acknowledged what happened in this case. he has felt horrific grief for not only the families but for the people who have been affected -- >> shaquille brewster has been covering this. shaq, talk to us about the trial at this stage. we are waiting sentencing. most significantly, we heard from siblings and parents of the four victims earlier in heartbreaking testimony that was carried live on msnbc today. talk to me about that. >> reporter: yeah. heartbreaking and emotional comments we are heard from the families of those four victims, not just the parents of those students who were killed in that 2021 school shooting, but we heard from the sister of one of the students who was killed, who talked about the light that she's missing, about the laughs that her sister brought her. it was truly emotional testimony or comments that were made in

that hearing. it was a reflection of how much time some of those family members have told us that they spent on making those victim impact statements. then we heard from jennifer crumbley, who we heard from her before. she testified in her own trial. she acknowledged the victims that were lost. she also kind of continued to shift blame and say she didn't know the full picture, she didn't know the son, the person that she saw involved in that shooting. then you just heard a little bit from james crumbley. this is the first time that those two parents have been in the same courtroom since 2022. they had different trials. they were convicted by different juries. as we are watching the interaction, they did not truly interact with one another. we saw jennifer look over at james a couple of times. james looked straight ahead. as the victim impact statements were being read, we heard from

our colleague inside that james was emotional, that he was wiping away tears, sometimes putting his head down or grimacing as the heard from the parents. we saw jennifer appear more stoic. not really acknowledging the parents and looking down as she was being addressed directly. let's step back a little bit here. any minute now we will hear from the judge as she sentences these parents for involuntary -- these two parents for their four convictions of involuntary manslaughter, those four counts. they face up to 15 years in prison. however, state sentencing guidelines suggest that they should be sentenced to about four to seven years behind bars. the prosecution is saying because of the unique factors here, because of this being a mass school shooting, because of the attempt to flee law enforcement after they were -- after charges were announced,

that they should see a sentence closer to 10 to 15 years. you hear the two parents through their attorneys and sentencing memos suggest they should receive time served and maximum probation. it remains to be seen what the judge will do. the judge will have heard from the parents and hearing from the parents of those who -- the kids who lost their lives. >> shaq brewster, thank you. we will come back when it does take place. trial prep. jack smith has a new message for the supreme court while former president trump tries to delay his criminal trial. that's less than a week away. we will be back in 60 seconds also with senator tim kaine on all of this plus his new book. a lot to talk about. stay with us. you are watching msnbc. using our different ways of learning.

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democratic senators are calling on president biden to get tougher with prime minister netanyahu following the horrific strike on a world central kitchen convoy that killed seven workers. tim kaine released a statement calling the israeli strike a boiling point, adding that the current approach is not working. that progress needs to be made on freeing the hostages and establishing a cease-fire. joining me now, virginia democratic senator tim kaine. he is the author of a new book " "walk, ride, paddle." i want to talk to you about that. let me ask you about israel. israel has acknowledged this was a mistake. there's independent reporting the mistake suggests real

problems with their command and control, with the way they authorize strikes. the way they are conducting the war, not just this one incident. we know they can do these things and target people. we have seen this happen recently in syria when they want to, whether they are right or wrong, but they can do it. to miss every signal here. what should happen now? should the president now be conditioning aid? are we going to wait until something worse could happen? >> the president pushed successfully prime minister netanyahu last weak to open a border crossing to get more aid into gazans. you see the pace of deliveries has increased. israel turned water back on. israel was allowing bakeries to reopen. this has taken too long. this needs to be a war against hamas but not against gazans and palestinians. i made that plain to israeli

leadership. it's taking too long for them to draw delineation between a war against hamas. they claim they will provide humanitarian support. i applaud the president for pushing hard. we are seeing changes. it's far too delayed. we need to do more. >> would you support conditioning aid -- military aid going forward, especially if as the prime minister says, he goes into rafah without giving the u.s. a plan? >> there's nothing i put into a budget that i don't put conditions and restrictions on. it's not a blank check. it shouldn't be to anyone. the president at our urging announced a new security policy in february that says, if you are receiving assistance, you have to use the assets in accord with international law and you have to cooperate with u.s.-supported humanitarian efforts. >> they have to certify that by may 8th. >> i believe israel is falling short of the second criteria. much more needs to be done.

i have urged the president in delivery of aid to israel to restrict it to defensive weapons. israel has to defend itself. let's help them defend themselves. there are weapons that are primary offensive in nature. we should hold those back. >> is the israel aid going to scramble whatever compromises might be reached on the ukraine aid? tony blinken said getting that aid to ukraine is imperative. we know from president zelenskyy, they are running out of ammo. they need american weapons, they need weapons they can only get from the u.s. >> the senate vote on this aid was overwhelmingly bipartisan. that bill is pending in the house. we are just back from a recess. the votes are there on the floor. will speaker johnson allow the package to be voted on, or will he allow a different package to be voted on? when the votes are there, i always believe we will find a way to get there. i think we will.

>> do you think that -- do you think they will end up taking israel out of the package, because you will lose some progressive democratic votes in the senate? >> you may -- >> to get ukraine done. >> you may end up losing votes on both sides. the republicans who will not vote for some of the ukraine aid. there may be democrats who would have a question about israel aid. that wasn't the case in the senate bill. the senate vote on the supplemental package, it was 48 democratic yes and three no. on the republican side, 22 -- >> before what happened with the aid workers. let me talk to you about the book. this is extraordinary. you have written this book about this journey you took. it was after the 2016 election when you were turning 60. you had been mayor, governor, peace corps volunteer. you have been in public life forever. then senator. you had been the vice presidential running mate for hillary clinton. you decided to walk the appalachian trail and do a

triathalon, all of this. then the first person you met, the first people you met were arab americans. talk to me about that and what this was like for you. >> after the 2016 election, i did something i often do in hiking. you wake up and stuff everything in the pack and start walking. there will be time later to sort it out. that was what i needed after 2016. i came back to the senate. john mccain found me in the office and said, you and i are the only people that know how you feel. you have been on a national ticket and lost. i worked hard. won my re-election in 2018. then i thought, i have turned 60. i'm celebraing 25 years in public life. i decided, let me do a love letter to virginia. i created this quest. 560 miles. bike the blue ridge skyway.

canoe the james river. it took me 30 months. reflect on strange events i was living in between the start and stop, two impeachment trials, attack on the capitol, covid, disputed presidential election, george floyd, all of that happened. it's a nature journey but it's a reflection about the most unusual time in american life. >> you went through so much. country went through so much. what did that journey teach you about how we can come together? i'm thinking about the eclipse and how country was celebrating joyously, even those with a partial eclipse. what did you learn about america and yourself? >> one thing i learned is hiking shorts -- my name is dog bowl. that's how you introduce yourself. no matter what your politics, people love outdoors and want to protect it. everyone in virginia has a

beach, a lake, a river, a mountain that they not only love but they want their grandkids to be able to experience it. in nature, as i say, with the eclipse, what a unifier.crew of enjoying it with. the learn about the commonality of human experience in nature. that's an important thing. i also had a chance to reflect upon moments in our life. we are going through challenging times. i thought about the book of job. job is suffering. is the universe pointless? friends say, you are suffering because you must have done something wrong. you are being punished. the reader knows it's neither. job is suffering because he is being tested. because he held fast, what was lost was restored. i had a chance to think about that and realize it can be true about a person, about society. our nation is being tested. we are surviving. but i don't think we passed it. that's how i came to interpret the moment we are living in as i

was walking in hiking shorts in the rain in the appalachian mountains. i love the virginia countryside. >> i was there saturday. it's beautiful. this book -- i love the cover. >> that's a mile from my house in downtown richmond. >> all of it, starting with your peace corps service, thank you. >> i was a jesuit missionary. >> thank you for everything. the book is "walk, ride, paddle." it's out today. read it. jack smith is urging the court to reject donald trump's claim of presidential immunity in the january 6th election interference case. he is arguing that even if some of the judges -- the justices, rather, were to accept instances of presidential immunity, which

he doesn't think should be the case, but if they do, he said, this case should not be thrown out. it's complicated. that's why we need former u.s. attorney joyce vance and she's with us to explain it all. he gave them an insurance policy for himself. if you have some of the justices saying, contrary to what a lot of expectations are, that there's some presidential immunity, that you still should not do it in this case. explain. how does that sit with the supreme court argument? >> you are right when you say it's complicated. the full court press in this brief is the argument that there's no absolute immunity, no immunity for a former president for participating in criminal conduct. smith is clearly concerned that the court might see shades of gray. he makes the argument that even if there is some immunity, there

is no immunity in this situation for a president who tried to interfere with the transfer of power, obstruct official proceedings and interfere with americans' right to vote. he urges the court to speed the case on its way back to trial. >> joyce, in terms of another case that is going before the court next tuesday, which could invalidate hundreds of january 6 prosecutions, these prosecutions have gone through so many tests. you have people in prison. is this a serious threat to the predicate by which the justice department has been going after these january 6 accused suspects? >> it is a serious case. it hones in on two of the four charges against trump in the d.c. case, whether or not he obstructed an official proceeding. the argument will center around whether this event on the 6th,

the certification of the electoral college vote qualifies under that provision. it's a technical argument. it's an issue the court has never decided before. if the court were to decide it could possibly result in the special counsel being forced to dismiss two of the four counts against donald trump. >> thank you. we will go back to the courtroom in michigan. we might call on you further to explain some of the sentencing details. first, political hurdles. former president trump pushes back on republican critics of his abortion policy. president biden tries to win over young voters, frustrated over u.s. support for israel during their operations across gaza. we are watching the michigan courtroom where ethan crumbley's parents will be sentenced. stay with us. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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the michigan department of corrections, receive credit for 858 days, pay state costs in the matter of $272. there's a crime victims right fee of $130. you have no contact with the families. have i left anything out with regard to sentencing? no restitution has been requested, correct? >> that's correct. >> thank you. i would like to advice both defendants you are entitled to review of your sentence. this is done by filing a claim of appeal by right -- >> the crumbleys have been sentenced to 10 to 15 years. they are wrapping up in the courtroom. 10 to 15 years is within the guidelines, i believe.

shaq, are you still outside? can you join us? >> reporter: yes, i'm here. can you hear me? >> take me -- yes, we hear you. what we heard was 10 to 15 years for each of the crumbleys. are there other details you want to add? >> reporter: that is 10 to 15 years in prison for each of the parents. they were convicted of four counts of involuntary manslaughter. this is on point with what the prosecution was asking for, the 10 to 15-year range. it's above what sentencing guidelines suggest. the heard the judge mirror almost the language that you heard from the prosecution, which almost mirrored what you heard in the victim impact statements from the parents. you heard the judge say that first she was very aware of her job in ignoring public opinion. this has nothing to do with the attention on this case. the pressure that she's receiving. she said that jennifer was

dispassionate and apathetic in terms of how she viewed her son. they shifted blame away from their own actions or inactions and put it on others, on the school, on their son. that gives you a little reasoning -- the reasons into why the judge decided to agree with the prosecution and give that sentence of 10 to 15 years. this is also historic. this is the first time we know that parents -- american parents have been convicted of a mass shoot -- in connection with a mass shooting conducted by their child. this is the first sentence to come for that. one thing that legal experts have been telling us is this is almost a case of first impression. because it's the first time you have seen this, there's not much the judge had to rely on as she was making her decision. you see she was very aggressive with her decision.

she leaned on that messaging that you heard from the prosecution, the lack of remorse, the fact that there was an attempt to flee. you see the judge landing on that 10 to 15-year range for both of the parents. >> also, no contact with the families of the children who died. she's going to issue another ruling with regard to contact with their son, who, of course, was the shooter in this case. they also get 858 days credited for time served on those 10 to 15-year sentences. shaq brewster, thank you very much. we see them leaving the court. joyce vance, if you want to join in here. how important is this case? >> i think this case sets the outer parameters for what we can expect to see in these school shooting cases. it doesn't mean parents will always be prosecuted. nor should they be. in this case, where the evidence

was so compelling, these parents bought this gun for their son. they oversaw his training to use it. they knew it wasn't properly secured and that he had access to it. nonetheless, when they were called into the school, when they were told that their son was having violent thoughts, that he was asking for help in making the thoughts go away, they withheld that information about his access to a firearm from the school. that directly led to the shooting which happened later that same day. in this case, an appropriate sentence. >> joyce vance, thanks for everything. our thanks to shaquille brewster. we will be back after a quick break with the latest politics of the day. that includes what donald trump has been saying about abortion. you are watching msnbc. u are wac when you've got type 2 diabetes like me, you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack or worse

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donald trump's latest shift

on abortion is prompting criticism from not just the biden campaign but also one of the former president's closest allies, lindsey graham. graham said the former president was making a mistake in saying abortion should be left up to the states. mr. trump lashed out online saying, quote -- today, graham appeared to walk back his criticism. >> i think trump is right in this regard. it's a state issue up to a point. as that develops, i think the american people find the consensus around 15 weeks. we will continue to focus on the child in the pro-life movement. i think president trump was a good pro-life president. we will see where this goes. >> joining us now is yamiche alcindor and in wisconsin, where president biden was courting the youth vote yesterday, gabe

gutierrez. welcome both. yamiche, donald trump took the convenient way out on abortion, i guess, by punting it to states. it sounds like senator graham is falling back in life. >> that's right. this isn't the first time we have seen senator graham say one thing and then change his mind. he is trying to walk a fine line here. he is doing something that most republicans don't do, which is openly saying he disagrees with something the former president was saying. that being said, he is saying today, as he is saying that the president was a great pro-life president. he is saying that it bothers him what happens in new york and california. if we leave the issue of abortion up to states, late-term abortions might be something that happens. he is opposed to that. i want to remind people where former president trump has been on the issue. he changed his mind a number of times. >> i'm very pro choice. i'm pro life. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion? >> the answer is that there has

to be some form of punishment. both sides will come together. it could be state or federal. i don't frankly care. >> you haertd heard it there. this is about political expediency, saying whatever it takes to win in his latest video. he doesn't say whether or not he would sign a national federal abortion ban, which is a big question. also the issue of falling in line, it's not just lindsey graham. a number of republicans who are trying to get elected to the senate, including pennsylvania and arizona and nevada, they are now echoing trump's language. interesting to see the party shift to what president trump is saying. >> it's not the first time that he and lindsey graham have disagreed. ukraine money is another thing where lindsey graham changed. he enjoys being a golf partner of donald trump. >> yeah. he wants to be a close ally, not get attached too much but also

wants to voice what was the opinion of a number of republicans. think about mike pence who is saying today that -- he has issues with donald trump but saying he disagrees with donald trump's stance on this issue. >> gabe, let's pick it up there. the president, of course, came out swinging on the abortion issue, white house did, with a very emotional campaign ad with, of course, the virginia woman who almost died because she couldn't -- excuse me, texas woman who almost died because she could not get an abortion and may not be able to have children. was a guest at the state of the union. now is in this first campaign ad. heartbreaking example. at the same time, the president is trying to get attention on the student debt relief plan in wisconsin. a key state. how are they balancing their campaign strategy right now?

>> reporter: andrea, it was a major announcement yesterday. white house says 10 million borrowers will see at least $5,000 in student debt relief. you will remember that the biden administration in 2022 had announced a broader plan. it was struck down by the supreme court. the white house is using a different legal justification and being more targeted, trying to give relief to people that have had their interest -- their student debt interest accrue over time and also adults that have been paying off student ov. and also adults that have been staying off student loans for 20, 25 years. the white house says when you take that -- the announcement yesterday, and also the other announcements when it comes to student debt relief they put over the last few months, this could impact 30 million americans. the question will be, whether the biden campaign will be able to sell this message to younger voters. former president trump has been

gaining ground with that electorate and even a small change in that electorate. younger voters age 18 to 29. if there is a shift there from 2020, that could swing the election, andrea. >> gabe gutierrez and yamiche alcindor, thank you. back overseas, after nine years of civil war, yemen faces one of the largest humanitarian crises in the world. our partner in sky news special correspondent alex crawford is there with a look at a situation growing more dire by the day. a warning, her reporting includes graphic images of ill and malnourished children. >> reporter: suffering doesn't hide itself in yemen. and hunger hits the young most hard. sala is to weak to drink anything, this is enough to

revive him a little and gives him just enough energy to protest at the pain. his cries are seen as fragile progress. but it is tiny and slow. and it may not be enough to save him. life is difficult, his mother says. they live hand to mouth, selling goods on the street. she's not well fed, and that impacts on the baby. in the next bed, there is another baby clinging to life. like sala next to him, he has severe acute malnutrition. in yemen, the harsh reality is most babies, most people will go to sleep hungry each night. the two babies have been born on a country at war. that cut their survival odds. but it is the spillover from the gaza war which many here believe slashed those odds even further. the houthi attacks on maritime

trade in the red sea meant imports are more expensive for yemenis who are almost entirely reliant on aid and have seen food prices soar. this british charity told us life got a lot harder for those already suffering. >> what the situation before was has now been exacerbated even more. even more people are food insecure, even more people are water insecure. and it is going to take more than, you know, international ngos to plug the gaps of what is happening here. >> reporter: nine years of civil war has already devastated yemen and left millions living in miserable conditions for which there seems no end. the level of poverty here is absolutely extreme. just shacks and bits of material and wood just stacked up everywhere to make homes for these people. their lives are extraordinarily hard and yet they're saying now it is even harder. almost half of yemen's population has no access to clean water.

and the spiraling conditions here since the gaza bombings has led to more disease. emergency tents have been erected in aden to cope with a fresh outbreak of cholera. the lack of money throughout the country and the deteriorating infrastructure means yemen is at its least able to cope right now. >> we have divided country. we have this problem. we have war. we have external war in yemen and outside yemen. all this affect on our life. and at the same time our health. >> reporter: and that's hit babies like sala especially hard. every day of his five months has been spent trying to survive the legacy of yemen's war. he may not have the strength in him to fight the effects of

another. and alex crawford joins me now from aden, in yemen. alex, once again, your reporting is just so extraordinary, what you do all over the world. the video, what is happening to the children is just heart breaking. here with the houthis, not recently because it seems to be a pause, but all of the firing by houthis and the action of the red sea, how is that impacting getting aid to them and what can be done to help them? >> reporter: it had a massive impact. there is no way around that. and the houthi militants by inserting themselves into this worldwide problem that is gaza has led to a massive spike in their popularity, which has upset the balance again in yemen and set back, i feel, the prospects for peace and that's the best way of helping any child that is dying of hunger here in yemen and the millions who are suffering.

let's remember that half the country can't drink clean water, that more than half the country, nearly the entire country goes to bed hungry every night. it is a critical situation. the houthis, i've spoken to, key members of the inner circle, senior houthi member, the militants are in no mood to back down. they say they're going to carry on targeting international trade, along that critical strait, along the red sea and the gulf of aden, and they are not going to stop, doesn't matter whether america or uk are bombing their targets. that is a real worry, not just for yemeni people, but the world. >> alex crawford, bless you for what you're doing around the world. thank you so much for bringing us that story. and vice president harris will be meeting today with families of americans taken hostage by hamas on october 7th. among those will be in that meeting, aviva siegel, who knows

the terror that the hostages have been enduring for the last six months. she and her husband were kidnapped on october 7th. she was released after 51 days. part of that temporary cease-fire in november. but her husband keith who is from north carolina is still being held. she joins me now. aviva, talk to me about the message you have for the vice president and for the u.s. government, for the world, about what is happening to your husband, what happened to you, and what needs to be done. >> first of all, i want to say thank you to biden. because of biden i'm still alive and i can sit here and talk to you. in 51 days i was there, it was not a moment that i thought that i would die or be killed. and keith, my husband, is such a sweet, generous, loving person, everybody loves him. and he's still there. for 186 days.

i was there. i was treated like i'm nothing. i didn't have any human rights. we weren't allowed to talk. we weren't allowed to even stand. can you imagine that your body wants to just move a little bit and somebody just says, lay down. >> were you in a tunnel? >> keith and i were moved 13 times. and i was twice in a tunnel. one of the times they took us down to tunnel, it was very, very dark. i could hardly see my next step. and they took us to a small little place and they just left us there because there was no oxygen and they couldn't feel, they couldn't feel that there was oxygen for them, and they just left us, they went up, up ground, and left us there with no water, and no food. and when they came after a couple of days, we were nearly dead. keith looked at me and i could see that he could hardly

breathe. he was -- and i don't know if any human can understand or imagine what it is like, feeling that you're going to die in a second and trying to figure out how to breathe. it is terrible. just a terrible, terrible feeling. they used to starve us and eat in front of us. they used to drink water and we begged them for water. they used to sometimes bring us just a little bit of water, and say that's the water until tomorrow at 5:00. so we used to have one sip every couple of hours each of us. >> what about the treatment of women in particular? there have been a lot of terrible reports about the way women were treated? >> i was there. i was there, and i saw it happen. one of the times, one of the girls, and she's young, she was taken by one of the terrorists, and we didn't know what is happening to her, while she came back.

i could see by her face something happened to her, and i got up and gave her a hug. and while i was hugging her, he started screaming at us because we weren't allowed to feel, we weren't allowed to hug and we weren't allowed to help each other. and that's just a terrible feeling for me because one of the hardest things for me was not able to help them and to help keith when they threatened them with the gun or threatened them that they're going to handcuff them or hit them or push them. they pushed keith and they broke his ribs. and they shot him and i was the only one that could look after keith and took care of him. and when they took that girl and she came back and i hugged her, i could see that something happened. >> we want to thank you for your testimony. and thank you for being with us today. "chris jansing reports" starts right now.