that group. >> i don't think a joke about a group of people is, you can talk about one person who has characteristics that, come on, our ancestry, there are certain stereotypes that come from the truth. and our history. but i think if you're specifically talking about one person and they have these characteristics, fine, but you can't do that to an entire group of people and i think he's kind of a coward. either say, or don't be into politics. >> both the right and left equally guilty? >> my god, the left, crybabies, everything is offensive, i can't believe you said that. and the right, conspiracy theories, lies, disparage people, incite violence. it's a whole soup peer >> judy, always a pleasure, thank you so much. easure, thank you so much.

join me live in studio to discuss. florida, the state's supreme court cleared the way for a strict abortion ban that also put the issue on the ballot this november. how that could shake up the presidential race as donald trump says he will have something to say about abortion this week. congresswoman barbara lee to talk about what is at stake and little lol from snl. >> house republicans have introduced a bill to rename washington, d.c.'s dulles airport after donald trump because airports are a lot like trump, a chaotic nightmare that turns you against your own family. >> i am jonathan k part.

this is the sunday show. after being away for two weeks, congress returns to washington on tuesday with a to do list filled with daunting challenges. at the top of that list, the israel-hamas war. today marks six months since the deadly october 7th attack on israel. a lot has changed in the past

six months. 11 days after the terrorist attack, president biden flew to israel and embraced netanyahu in a show of solidarity with the israeli people. fast forward to thursday, the president had a tense phone call with netanyahu from the white house over his execution of the war, which has decimated the gaza strip, killed more than 33,000 palestinians and displaced 1.9 million more. the reason for that phone call was the killing of seven aid workers with world central kitchen, whose founder,callthe jose andres said this about how israel is waging war. >> this does not seem a war against terror. this does not seem any more a war about defending israel. it really at this point seems it is a war against humanity itself. you cannot be district conducting war in such a way. you cannot be destroying every hospital, every school, every building, every university, the future for more than 2 million palestinians. >> today, israel's military announced it would be withdrawing troops from southern gaza. cease-fire negotiations also resumed in cairopatr. and, with

congress returning this week, pressure will build here at home as the united states prepares for potential retaliation from iran over israeli airstrikes in syria on april 1st. senate majority leader chuck schumer says today the standoff raises the stakes for congress to pass foreign aid.d, >> tensions in the middle east are very high. that is why we want to pass the national security supplemental. it is critical, and we are all urging speaker johnson to put it on the floor of the house. >> but, over in the republican controlled house, everything from military funding for israel and ukraine to rebuilding the francis scott key bridge in baltimore will be on the docket, as will the future of the speakership of mike johnson. he is still at risk of a motion to vacate from congresswoman marjorie taylor green, who orheom kevin mccarthy seems to think is a serious legislature. >> what i have always found about marjorie is she is a very serious legislator that deals

with policy. >> i beg to differ. the fact that she filed the motion after johnson saved us from a government shutdown shows that she is always punish any real attempt at governing, which means democrats could be faced with a tough decision. save johnson or let him sink. joining me now, democratic congressman rochon of california, member on the house services committee and congressman jerry conley of virginia, member of the house foreign affairs committee. both are members of the oversight committee. welcome to the sunday show. ig congressman, you said you would

save johnson. >> if he brings a clean bill on ukraine funding i think he would be doing a responsible thing and he should be funding the bridge in baltimore. those are common sense priorities and i would be willing to work across the aisle if he does that. >> no, i don't believe rewarding speaker johnson for doing his job is a smart policy and there are lots of problems, i think, doing that. he is the most ideological right-wing speaker since the 1830s. everything he stands for is antithetical to democratic an and keeping him in office is being complicit when we do that. secondly, this is extortion. where do we stop? that it was ukraine. what is it next? and thursday -- thirdly, there is liability. what kind of shelf life is he going to have in his own caucus when he is the speaker at the sufferance of democratic votes. that's not going to be a long shelf life. >> congressman connelly, let me stick with you here. if you don't save speaker johnson, his going to be the next speaker? >> hopefully hakeem jeffries. the republicans are down to a a run -- one vote majority. it's very special and are job

is not to save a speaker like johnson. he's wrong onak gun rights, women's reproductive rights, lgbtq writes. he not only voted the wrong way on certifying president biden's election, he litigated it. what democrat wants to be associated with that kind of record. >> jerry is right on all the facts. he is very extreme on lgbtq. k he did actually litigate overthrowing 2020. the just question his people and ukraine desperately need this aid and if he does not bring that bill to the floor you are basically giving put in a victory, and we need the money for the bridge, so i would not vote affirmatively for johnson, but could i vote to table something if it's part of a deal on a clean ukraine

bill? i would entertain that. >> all right, guys. disabuse me of this cynical view, but it's not even cynical. i just have no faith that speaker johnson will be able to get a ukraine funding bill through, and israel funding bill throughs , the funding for the francis scott key bridge. am i wrong in thinking that? i mean, it's great to go and say hey, if you do this you will get my vote but i don't think we will get to that point. >> i think there are three separate issues. on the bridge, we are talking about $600 million. we put almost $1 trillion into the pentagon and defense budget. it's shameful we can get $600 million allocated right away. on ukraine i think that aid has to be a clean vote. the israelsee vote is more complicated. i was on a letter with speaker pelosi and more democrats saying no more offensive

weapons to israel while they are still killing and indiscriminate ways. i think that's going to be a more complicated vote. >> i think we will get to a vote on both ukraine agent rebuilding the key bridge in baltimore. there are over 300 votes in the house of representatives, bipartisan, to vote for ukraine aid. speaker johnson knows that and there's going to be increasing ressure on him from a moderatei common sense republicans who support aid to ukraine. key leaders in the republican caucus, the chairman of the intelligence committee, chairman of the armed services committee, chairman of the foreign affairs committee, all are outspoken advocates for ukraine.cerv he can't continue to bottle that up. let the will of the house be exercised. bring a bill to the floor, and we either pass it or we don't. >> congressman khanna talked about the letter you signed with former speaker pelosi putting conditions on aid to israel. wi ator chris van hollen today urged the united states today to withhold arms to israel. let's hear what he had to say. >> until those conditions are

met, then no, we should not be sending more offensive weapons to israel. not to stop them permanently, but to effectively use our leverage. that is what we are asking the president to do. >> congressman connolly, what do you make of what senator van hollen said and did you sign the letter that congressman khanna and former speaker pelosi signed? >> i was not aware of the so it wasn't something i could sign. i favor the position just articulated, which is we have to use our leverage on the netanyahu government toe open massive humanitarian aid in gaza. we should not be providing more offensive weaponry that could be used in gaza until and unless the conditions the president set out with netanyahu are met. they have not been met yet. >> i wanted to turn to the

house intelligence chair, mike turner, accuses colleagues of spreading russian propaganda in the house. let's listen. >> we see directly coming from russiae , the attempts to mass communications that are anti- ukraine and pro-russia messages, some of which we even hear been uttered on the house floor. members of congress today still incorrectly say that this conflict between russia and ukraine is over nato, which of course it is not.esfl >> congressman khanna, that is the republican chair of the intelligence committee saying something that i've gotten used to them ignoring. >> you don't have to be on the intelligence committee to know that republicans have been echoing talking points for putin. i mean, it's mind-boggling , the party of reagan basically wants to appease putin, give them a check of ukraine, let him do what he wants andsmhe lica what signal is that sending to xi jinping? take a chunk of taiwan? it's appalling.

>> i am on the oversight committee and i watched jim jordan on judiciary and jim connor on oversight, who are collaborating on an impeachment effort against president biden. who is their primary witness? their primary witness is a russian named alexander smirnoff. he is in jail today because he lied to the fbi aboutname the w scandal that turned out to be a lie. he wasn't there. he didn't hear it, there were no bribes. that is their primary witness and he admitted that his t ei sources are russian agents, so it's not only that russian bots are infiltrating republican propaganda, they are actually prime witnessesep toward now thoroughly discredited impeachment. >> what he did was get dirt on joe biden. that was the whole operation. i mean, he tried to get dirt. something like the cotton candy over the bowl of water and it drops and it disappears. i can't let you go without asking you about the bill you filed in congress in response

to this effort to rename dulles, which is an architecturally beautiful airport, i don't care what any of you folks say about it, to rename it for donald trump. you introduced a bill to rename a prison in florida after trunkd >> it's in the country right near mar-a-lago and i thought for a guy who's now got 88 criminal indictments pending, criminal, +2 major civil penalty trials that have already been resolved costing him about a half a billion dollars, i think it's only fitting that if republicans really want to honor donald trump, the most appropriate way to do that is to name a federal prison. he might be visiting soon, after donald j. trump. >> you make it the trump endorsement for that. i don't think there's a building he wouldn't want his name on. >> congressman khanna, are you going to sign on as a sponsor? >> i'll sign onto almost any

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on monday, florida's supreme court upheld the state's 15 week abortion banning gave the green light to govern the ron desantis' six- week band which will go into effect on may 1st.

at six weeks, many women don't yet even know they are pregnant, thus making the florida law one of the strictest bands in the country, but the justices also ruled that a question about whether to explicitly enshrine abortion rights in the state's constitution can go on the ballot in november. if past is prologue, this could spell trouble for republicans and donald trump. abortion rights have won in every state they have appeared on the ballot since the u.s. supreme court overturned roe v. wade in 2022, boosting voter turnout. this all appears to have the twice impeached, four times and did on 88 counts disgraced former president floundering for response. after the supreme court's decision, trump announced that his campaign quote, will be making a statement next week on abortion, but don't let the man who brags about killing roaf

will you. we already know where he stands. roll the tape. >> for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i did it and i'm proud to have done it. well, i did do something nobody thought was possible. i got rid of roe v. wade and by doing that -- by doing that, it put pro-lifers in a very strong negotiating position. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principal? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah. >> joining, congressman barbara lee of california, co-chair of the pro-choice caucus. thank you for coming to the sunday show. do you expect to hear anything new from trump on abortion this week? >> absolutely not. no, jonathan. thank you for having me. listen to what he did and what he said. he acknowledged the fact that he was responsible for getting rid of a person's right to make

their own health care decisions as it relates to their healthcare as it relates to abortion. that is what he did so we leave it to believe him. believe he did it and don't believe anything else that he says about this. he's going to move forward, i am confident, and uphold his position which he has shown us, and that is to end roe versus wade. >> you know, president biden last florida by three percentage points in 2020 but with abortion on the ballot there, does he have any chance now to flip that state this november, do you think? >> people really have galvanized around these ballot initiatives because they realize throughout the country, especially in red states, that this is about our democracy. this is about our freedom. this is about these right-wing judges and these terrible, restrictive abortion bans restraining a person's decisions and ability to exercise bodily autonomy so i am confident that people not

only in florida but throughout the country are going to rally around what is taking place in florida and make sure we have the turnout we've seen in other states that's going to enshrine the right to an abortion into the constitution, and to limit government interference. that is what this is about. it is about our democracy and about our freedom to be able to make our own health care decisions. >> you know, you have been so open about your personal pre- row abortion story. can you believe all these years later that women still have to fight for reproductive rights? >> it's hard to believe, and this, you know, is really devastating in many respects that the clock is being turned back because yes, i did have an abortion when i was 15 way before roe.

i had to go to mexico to get it and let me tell you, i was terrified, just like now. it was illegal there. it was illegal in texas, it was illegal in california. it was a back alley and i was terrified because i thought one, that i could die, and two, that i could be put in jail just like now, so we have got to fight to make sure we actually at a federal level codify the right to an abortion in the federal law, and that is the women's health protection act which we have brought forth and passed a couple of times in the house and so we cannot allow the clock to be turned back and i believe in florida and these other states, once these issues get to the ballot, people will vote to make sure the government does not interfere with their own health care decisions in terms of her right to have an abortion. >> you know, one of your

mentors was the late congresswoman shirley chisholm, the first black congresswoman to be elected to congress and the first black person ever to run for president. how does she inspire you, and what do you want young people who may be frustrated with our political system today to know now? >> will thanks, jonathan. you know, i knew shirley chisholm very well and she encouraged me. in fact, she made me register to vote in fast forward to today, i was like so many young people today who did not believe the democratic party or the republican party would represent the views that i had, and the needs and the aspirations that as a young, single black woman on public assistance and food stamps, could not afford childcare, had to take my children to class with me you know, i did not believe politics would make life better for me even though i was very aware. i was a community worker for the black panther party and as the film shows, shirley chisholm really insisted that i have something to contribute, just like now. these young people, i tell you, they are bright. they understand the world in which we live. they have a sense of the morality and they are engaged, but they have not yet figured

out how partisan politics could help shape the world and make their lives better. that is up to us. we have got to include them. i include young people in all of my legislation. they deserve a seat at the table and that is what shirley chisholm provided for me. she gave me a glance of what it would mean to be a black woman who can represent the views in the aspirations of not only black women and people of color, but everyone, because of her history, our struggle, and because we care about making the world better not only for ourselves, but for everyone. that is the lesson she taught me in the lesson i know these young people will embrace if we do our job to connect what is taking place in politics and government to their daily lives.

>> california congresswoman barbara lee -- oh, man, they're just putting up my favorite photo. there it is, the one of you with a big afro standing next to shirley chisholm is just so sweet. thank you very much, as always, for coming to the sunday show. coming up, it's that time again to sound off with my panel on the latest news including trump's promise to the billionaires at his big fundraiser last night and why you probably will not hear you say him -- hear him say it at his rallies. you're watching the sunday show on msnbc. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. now i'm in control. with nurtec odt i can treat a migraine attack and prevent one. talk to your doctor about nurtec today. bladder leak underwear has one job. i just want to feel protected! especially for those sudden gush moments. always discreet protects like no other. with a rapid dry core that locks in your heaviest gush quickly for up to zero leaks.

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>> what she is doing is much different than what matt gates is doing. she didn't make it privileged so it is not up for a vote. one thing i've always found about marjorie is she is a very serious legislator that deals with policy and the best way to deal with someone like that is sit down and talk to them. i don't believe the speakers spoken to marjorie. >> joining me now, rene graham, associate editor and columnist at the boston globe. making her sunday show debut, megan hayes, former assistant to president biden and democratic strategist and rick wilson, former republican strategist, cofounder of republican project and co- author of running against the devil, the plot to save republicans from trunk and themselves. megan, since you are the new be here, give me your reaction to former speaker now private citizen kevin mccarthy lauding all this praise on marjorie taylor green is a serious legislator? >> i mean, it's rich coming from him, and i don't agree,

but -- >> it is bananas because she still is holding -- even though she has not made it a privileged motion, even though it is not a privileged motion, she is one step away from doing it. do you think she will do that? >> i think his actions when he sent the paper for impeachment to the senate, i think speaker johnson actually thinks she might do it so he is taking his course of action to prevent her from doing it. >> what do you think of this high praise of marjorie taylor green? >> i think it speaks more to what we should think about kevin mccarthy than marjorie taylor green. kevin's judgment has never been exactly sterling politically in the lacs -- lasted decades and he is this guy now that wants to be the sort of come back in washington. he wants to be in trump's good graces.

he knows that green is still in trump's interim good graces so i think this speaks more to kevin's word desperation than a valid analysis of who marjorie taylor green's but he understands that in the trump power universe, she ranks up here, and make -- mike johnson ranks down there. >> renee, i'm going to save you from having to talk about him tg and have you respond to donald trump and something he said on tuesday to spectrum one news in wisconsin. watch this. >> what shall we prepare for, could that be a change in position? >> no, not a change in position. it's going to be about something that is very important. you have to go with your heart. you have to go with your spirit and it's going to be something that people will be overly surprised but we also have to remember, we have to win elections. it's very important.

>> renee, donald trump there is talking about this impending announcement, whatever it is, but abortion, and in that statement is the typical donald trump, yes, no, maybe, but maybe yes, no. >> you know, it's talking loud and saying nothing as james brown once said. he goes on and on, it's about this, it's about that. donald trump doesn't want to talk about abortion except when he wants to talk about abortion and that's when he wants to run around and say oh, i'm the person who took down roe v. wade and nobody else could do that, but he knows this is not a winning issue for republicans and not a winning issue for him, so the fact that he's going to make a statement, i don't think it's going to amount to anything. he's going to be all over the map with this. he didn't even say the word abortion, for crying out loud, so i really think this is just going to be nothing in his attempt to somehow avoid talking about one of the most crucial issues this november.

>> before we go to break, megan, how do you think the biden campaign is going to take advantage of whatever donald trump says about abortion? >> i think the biden campaign is going to continue to capitalize on abortion been a top issue for democrats. it's shown in the midterms and in conservative states that this will be impactful and a lot of women and men care about this issue deeply and i think they will capitalize on whatever he says crazy one way or the other. >> right. and let me get your thoughts on this quick before we go to a break. >> i think this is an issue that is absolutely the biggest externality for the campaign and the problem for donald trump is nothing he does will satisfy his own people. nothing he does will make it better. a 16 week ban is not that much better in the minds of american voters of you look at the polling than a six-week band. it is the same republican party he supposedly runs during the country going around trying to shut down all abortion, ivf,

contraception and this weekend a couple of his big fans launch this attack on surrogacy. this is a party that is completely off the rails on this issue. it is going to hurt them tremendously in november. >> all right. don't go anywhere. more with my sunday panel after the break including donald trump's message to his big money donors and the biden campaign's response. mpaign's r. nothing makes a gathering great like eggland's best eggs. they're just so delicious. with better nutrition, too. for us, it's eggs any style. as long as they're the best. eggland's best.

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wilson. yesterday at donald trump's fundraiser in palm beach, he told the billionaires he will keep their taxes low. he said this last night. this is a headline out of nbc news, that is what he was going to do. let's take a look at the campaign video from the biden re-election campaign slamming truck for promising tax cuts to billionaires. >> when he thinks the cameras are not on, he tells his rich friends quote, we're going to give you tax cuts. that makes me mad as hell, quite frankly. >> the hypocrisy is just outrageous. this is what he says to his billionaire friends, not quite what he's saying at his rallies. >> we have a plan. asking his good buddies to begin paying their fair share. >> this is a buddy film i never thought i would see, sanders and president biden together there, but you could talk about you know, billionaires cheating

the system out of money by not paying their fair share of taxes, but does it resonate? >> there was a column today in the washington post quoting a poll that said 57% of republicans actually do think that corporate greed is the cause of inflation, and that raising taxes on billionaires is important, so i think it is an issue that has crossed party lines here and i think it does resonate well with the middle class. >> and renee, i'm struck by the fact that donald trump there on the gilligan's island of ultra welfare in palm beach, raising all of this money, so they say, $50 million and telling the people there hey, i'm going to keep your taxes low. this man could get the gold medal in gaul, but that is pardon the pun, rich.

>> you know, it is the shape shifting. he will adjust himself to whatever room he is and so when he's at his rally with the pickup trucks, please telling them what they want to hear about they are coming about after you, or about the retribution and but when he's among his billionaire pals he's telling them what they want to hear and it is much more likely they are going to get what he's talking about because he gave them a tax cut before. that is what they want to hear and he needs to keep them happy because they are keeping his campaign afloat, given the amount of money he has spent on legal fees, so it is very important he keeps the people with the deepest pockets happy. >> rick, what about that, because i think rene brings up a good point. donald trump says one thing to the rallies with the pickup trucks, and says another thing to the well-heeled, high dollar campaign events like he did last night in palm beach.

>> look, in the history of donald trump's great scams, the 2017 tax cut benefited about hundred 90 people, and high- value institutions in the country -- hedge funds, private equity people, et cetera. about 190 people got the majority of that benefit. it was a component to a middle- class tax cut that expired 10 years later and he's going to do the same thing again because he understands where his bread is buttered. he understands the billionaire class in this country are republican donors. they care about tax cuts more than they care about life itself. they are not, by the way, wanting these tax cuts because they are such great free marketeers or they believe low taxes benefit the overall economy. it is just straight up not wanting to pay taxes and that is one of the things as an ex- republican it took a long time to realize, the whole free- market thing had nothing to do with the disconnection of taxes

and benefits to middle-class voters. it is a lie. >> and on top of that, donald trump dates these well-heeled pals because he has a lot of legal bills and is going to need money from somewhere. i'm going to switch gears and have you all listen to senator chris van hollen on cbs face the nation today, on president biden's ultimatum to prime minister netanyahu in that very tense phone call on thursday. watch. >> the president in the white house [ inaudible ] we have had a situation where for months, the president has made requests to the netanyahu government. they have ignored those requested we've sent more 2000 pound bombs. we cannot revert back to that. >> so megan, do you think the president is going to be -- there is a lot of daylight now between the president and the prime minister, but he has not gone so far as to say okay, we are done. i am now putting on conditions.

do you think the president will get there? >> i do think he is signaling that he's getting a lot closer to that. his statement is the strongest we've seen thus far. i think the world central kitchen attack was very personal to him. he is done work with andres in the past, so it's personal to him and i think he is getting closer to that. also, it is just not where the american people are anymore to not be conditioning these things and i think he needs to be cognizant about moving into re-elections. >> he has to get there. he absolutely has no choice. the compounding tragedy of this is that this conversation can really only be had now because of what happened to those aid workers from world central kitchen. there have almost been 200 other humanitarian aid workers killed before this, not to mention journalists, not to mention 32,000 palestinians, so he has to get there. there has to be conditions in the has to be very clear conditions about the consequences if it continues.

>> rick, let me give you the last word on this. >> i think netanyahu's behavior has increasingly pushed the president into a position where he has more latitude rather than less. he needs to emphasize leadership by the american authority here in america strengthen this thing and also needs to say to netanyahu, there is no free ride here. there is no open door here. unless you conform your behaviors on certain things -- the world central kitchen was a real breaking point and something i think is really altered the political tenor of this question. >> i agree with you on that one 100%. rene graham, megan hayes, rick wilson, thank you all very much for coming to the sunday show. coming up, the path of totality. billy's are getting ready to watch tomorrow's total solar eclipse. we take a closer look at what to expect from the celestial event and why it is such a big

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i'm excited to see what it's like because i've never seen an eclipse before and it's going to be exciting to see that experience. >> it ties us to the universe the way we almost never get to experience. it's dark in the middle of the daytime. the moon swallows the sun. it is just awesome. people experience a total eclipse just find it unbelievably emotionally powerful. >> tomorrow we will all be looking to the sky to catch a glimpse of something we will not see for another 20 years. millions of people have already hit the road and the skies to find the perfect place to watch tomorrow's total eclipse of the sun. axial's is reporting that short- term airbnb rentals are booked solid in and around the path of totality. wherever you are, please make sure you wear the proper eclipse viewing glasses, like

these. they don't go over my glasses and i can't see a thing out of them. or, you might end up like this guy, during the last eclipse in 2017, donald trump once again, a poster child for what not to do. kids, do not stare directly at the sun. joining me now is the chief astronomer and planetarium director at the great franklin institute in philadelphia. director pitts, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. walk us through what will happen tomorrow afternoon. >> the moon is going to slide directly between the earth and the sun, and because of this interesting proportional relationship between size and distance, the moon will appear to cover the disk of the sun. the shadow of the moon will fall on the earth and millions of people along the path of

totality wheelchair and saying and have all kinds of great feelings about the whole proceeding. >> explain why we should heed the warnings to not look directly at the sun. is it really that dangerous to do so? >> that is a really great question. in a small piece of the sun is just as bright as the entire son, so we already know not to look directly at the sun because it will damage our eyesight. tomorrow is a special case because if you are watching the eclipse during totality, the moon completely covers the disk of the sun. at that point it is safe to observe without the glasses but you forget, as you are watching this marvelous phenomenon, that the moon is still moving and a little piece of the sun peeks out in that bright light blast your retina, and that is not good, so you have to be really careful about how you watch this. >> i have the glasses here. that is one way to watch the eclipse. what are the ways we can see

tomorrow's eclipse without using any special glasses? >> sure. there are a number of what i call indirect ways to observe an eclipse in these ways are with you standing with your back to the sun. for example, if you go to the kitchen a dig around in the kitchen, you will find any strainer we call a colander, each one of those little holes is what is called a 10 hole calendar so if you hold the calendar so that it gets the colander and you look at the little dots of light underneath the colander on a shaded area, you will see images of the eclipse or if you have a piece of pegboard masonite, you know, that brown stuff you see in stores with hooks that hold things? that stuff does the same thing. you can also make a pinhole projector just using a piece of aluminum foil cut out onto a card with a hole poked in it and that whole will act as a pinhole camera, too. these are all great because you are standing with your back to

the sun and looking at a projected image. >> all right, this is more than just a scientific phenomenon. this is become a real cultural moment. why are people so fascinated by an eclipse? >> well, eclipses are rare. they are unique and could be a once-in-a-lifetime experience in the other pieces, everyone loves to participate in some sort of activity of the universe. we, as humans on this planet, are connected to the night sky even though we are not all astronomers, but the way i see it, nobody doesn't like to look at the moon. everybody loves to look at the moon, and we love to look at the night sky, so here is an astronomical event that people can directly participate in that connects them to the mechanics of the universe in a very personal way, so everybody wants to be part of that. >> derek pitts, chief astronomer and planetarium director at the franklin institute in philadelphia. thank you very much for coming to the sunday show.

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