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to watch the solar eclipse but i think you're leaving the country with an important lesson. don't be that guy. >> right. don't be that guy. >> that's a life lesson for all of us. >> we can apply that to so many things that trump does that we could all benefit from. just show him and just do the exact opposite. great to see you as always. thanks so much and enjoy the rest of your evening off. coming up this hour, israel pulls ground troops from southern gaza. new talks for a truce happening in cairo. many see this as a inflection point. is it? presidential pressure. talking to a house democrat who cosigned a letter to president biden demanding he stop sending weapons to israel. florida moving ahead with an extreme abortion lot and putting abortion axis on the november ballot. are republicans but in florida in play for democrats? let's do it. a major shift in israel's

military strategy as its war in gaza officially hits the six month mark after four straight months of fighting. the israeli defense forces have now withdrawn their ground troops in southern gaza, leaving just one single brigade in the area. the move immediately sparked speculation about the military's possible motives here. here is what national security council spokesman john kirby said this morning. >> it's hard to know exactly what that tells us right now. this was an announcement that they made. i would certainly let them speak to their operations as we understand it, and to the public announcements. it's really just about rest and refit for these trips that have been on the ground performance. not necessarily that we can tell indicative of a new coming up version for these troops. they've been on the ground for four months. the word we are getting is they are tired and they need to be refit. >> just hours after those remarks by kirby, israel's defense minister confirmed troops were in fact being redirected to rough the for a

ground invasion. the southern city has become to nearly 1.4 million palestinians after israel's bombardment force the rest of the gaza strip to flee to that part. as the military readies for the seemingly imminent invasion we've been hearing about, just across the border in egypt, and israeli delegation preparing to take part in the latest round of cease-fire negotiations. the talks which are led by representatives in qatar, egypt and the u.s., as frustration grows with the actions of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. saturday, tens of thousands of protesters filled the streets of tel aviv, demanding the prime minister actually make a deal to bring home the remaining 129 hostages currently being held by hamas and other palestinian groups. here in the u.s., joe biden faces mounting pressure from other democrats over his administration's handling of the war. as i said, it is coming particularly from his own party friday, more than three dozen

democratic lawmakers signed a letter urging biden and the secretary of state to reconsider the decision to authorize anon's package transfer to israel. the letter was notably signed by house speaker emma rattus, nancy pelosi, a staunch supporter of israel. it calls for the u.s. to hold future weapons transfer is pending an investigation into last week's world -- airstrike that killed seven world kitchen workers. he finds himself increasingly at odds with netanyahu, his party in the majority of the american people. a phone call friday with the prime minister, biden won that israel would be facing consequences if it failed to protect civilians and aid workers in gaza. as of tonight, it remains unclear what those consequences might actually be. senator chris van hollen to, a democrat, had some choice words

for the administration today. let's watch. >> i was glad to see the president finally say to netanyahu that if you don't follow these you know, my requests, but there will be consequences. but the president and the white house have yet to lay out what consequences they have and want to impose. and we've had a situation where for months, the president has made requests to the netanyahu government. they have ignored those requests. we send more 2000 pound bombs. we can pervert back to that. we have to make sure that when the president requests something, that we have the means to enforce it. >> here to kick off the hour, ferdinand monday. democratic pollster and vice president and principal of indexing. a republican strategist and

both are msnbc political analysts. great to have you with us. the interesting thing, this is not a conversation about foreign policy but about domestic u.s. politics. you heard the senator say he's unclear what the white house position is when it cuts to israel as it relates to possible consequences for what it is doing in gaza. if a sitting u.s. senator from the president's own party is confused over the administration's policy, how did the american people feel watching this play out? >> first off, we know how critical this debate is when it comes to not only u.s. policy towards israel, but the implications for the region and how it might spark some sort of a political or international conflict that could draw the united states in. it's clearly an important debate. having said that, all sides that i see analyzing the situation tell me that the democratic party is nonetheless

united as a whole and its support for biden at least according to polls on policy. democrats are in the 70 to 80 percentile range. even with his comments there, i don't think it is so much a critique of the biden administration as much a hey, events have changed. there has been an inflection point by all indications under the administration or the leaders of netanyahu, israel has lost a lot of moral authority. and you see the biden administration course correcting. they are now bullish on the cease-fire talk. the cease-fire of production holding military aid is an unprecedented event both in this conflict and historically speaking when it comes to the u.s.-israeli relationship and i think president biden is listening to the comments within the party. is it having a negative impact on the domestic consideration

of his reelection campaign? i don't see it yet. i really don't. >> susan, as i mentioned, former speaker nancy pelosi has joined those calls to halt web and transfers to israel's. she herself has been a long, stalwart supporter of israel. she also now joins with chuck schumer who had strong words about the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. you could say that you now have two of the most senior leaders of the democratic party who have come out and spoken critically against the israeli prime minister. joe biden may have those feelings as press reports suggest that he does have frustrations with the israeli prime minister. he has not made this publicly yet in a way that would suggest he is changing course and policy, although we are getting initial reports of that. but what kind of weight does nancy pelosi's signature on the letter add to the pressure growing on president biden?

as ferdinand was saying, to course correct now. >> her signature certainly mattered. the thing that was shocking is that only there were 37 lawmakers following. that's not a lot when we look for a big movement within any party. and looking at the support. i think a fundamental problem right now between the two leaders is that netanyahu can't believe that the united states isn't all in no matter what he wants. and joe biden is looking at it saying how is the american public not 100% behind israel and giving them everything they want? now it breaks down to because they are playing games off of each other. especially netanyahu against president biden, falsely thinking he can make him look weak. biden is now going to step up i believe and make some demands, or at least require changes from netanyahu, which he may do without a public reprimand from biden. this is pretty tricky but i think right now that president biden must continue to look strong on this issue. and listen to what is happening

at home. >> to that point, listening to what's happening at home, all polls suggest president biden has a tremendous amount of support with the democratic party. we saw what happened in wisconsin with the uncommitted vote. i guess in wisconsin i forgot what it was called. unrestricted. exactly. unrestricted. the frustration has been growing among some parts of the party. should he be worried about what just happened in wisconsin which got 50,000 of those unrestricted votes, given the fact that he won wisconsin by 20,000 in 2020? >> know. i will reject the premise a little bit because i think the data is telling a very interesting story. i'm giving you facts. not even opinions of my own. the last 17 polls that we've seen, joe biden is now moving forward. gaining support in the national polls that show in spite of how

prickly the important debate within the democratic party and family is, it's not reflecting negatively on him. the democratic party by all indications are united. we've seen all wings, the bernie sanders wing, and all of the democrats in other words who make up the different parts of the party supporting and coming out and saying we are solemnly behind president biden. by contrast on the republican side you see dissension, mitt romney, liz cheney and other senators coming out and saying they are uncomfortable with trump. i don't really see the dissension so much at play when it comes to biden or his standing. however, biden has said earlier he does have to deal with the ramifications of how he handles this problem. he has basically said look, if there's a bad guy here it's how benjamin netanyahu has handled the situation. i've had to take unprecedented apps with our ally and until he

starts to be a good-faith actor, there will be consequences. and still you see support in the polls drop for biden specifically around this issue of the way the war is being litigated, i do not think we can say that biden is suffering politically from it because that's not the case in the polling. i don't see most voters talking about this issue are highlighting this issue as a litmus test. >> pretty much -- how much do you think this is policy even see distancing with netanyahu is complicated by the fact that republicans are scheduled to vote this week on a measure rebuking president biden for advocating an immediate cease- fire in gaza? i spoke last night to the former state department middle east analyst aaron david miller. here's how he described how republicans are positioning themselves. >> you have a republican party that has emerged as the israel can do no wrong party. over the presumptive republican nominee who considers himself, the most pro-israeli president in the history of the universe.

>> is the gop in lockstep on this issue? >> they are pretty much in lockstep, but just to go back to what was said, politically, foreign policy doesn't make huge movements on presidential races unless it's affecting us at home directly. right now, it kind of feeds into trump when he is talking about it to us versus them and we are over here as he likes to say on the other side of a nice ocean. but the decisions -- it's about the political infighting right now. i think ukraine and israel and taiwan funding gets passed in the house and in the senate. it's something that's kind of insider baseball right now that the president doesn't really have to worry about whether republicans are, whether they are in lockstep or not. >> thank you to the both of you. i greatly appreciate the

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for months, progressive lawmakers have been vocally denouncing israel's disproportionate retaliation in gaza. today, six months into the war, the view is held by a majority of americans. according to a gallup poll, 55% of americans disapprove of israel's military actions in gaza. that's the majority. as mentioned before the break, moderate democrats including nancy pelosi who are strong supporters of israel have now joined the course. in a letter, the vast president biden to suspend weapons transfers to israel until a fully independent investigation into the world central kitchen convoy attack is complete. democratic congressman joe palm open -- jamaal bowman is among those who signed the letter.

one of the critiques was it's only 37 lawmakers so far. you are one of those lawmakers. give us a response to what you say to that critique. >> yeah. 37 lawmakers responding to the american people. the majority of the american people demanding permanent cease-fire. we've seen what's going on right in front of our eyes. we see hundreds of thousands of children and people starving to death in gaza. the american people are with us. we are just leading the way and responding to what the people in our districts are saying. you say 37 lawmakers now. it was only a few at the beginning calling for a permanent cease-fire. the number has been asked financially. i think we will see the number growing rapidly. >> do you see any initial response or backdoor channels of communication with the white house? how do these things work? you've sent the letter, signed on to the letter, do they start signaling to you we welcome this and you are giving us more space so that the president can come out and start being article of israel on the issue?

>> above my pay grade on that front. that's probably leader jeffries and clark and speaker pelosi. that's not up the jamaal bowman level minogue. >> we talked about this in the previous segment. what do you make of the fact that the domestic politics in this country, you talk about democracy, the representation of the american people. you had about 48,000 unrestricted voters in wisconsin. the president won that state by 20,000 votes. is that a cause of concern to the reelection of president joe biden? >> yes, because we've always had a problem in aging voters of color. young people in certain demographics is going to be harder now because of how we have pretty much not responded very well to what's happening in gaza. so yes. it is a cause for concern and that's why it's encouraging to see some of the organizing happening across the country. hopefully, this continues to

push the president in the right direction to call for a permanent cease-fire, and the suffering, bring in the humanitarian aid and be on the path to peace right away. >> let me ask you about what you're going through in terms of your own personal campaign. the american-israel >> affairs committee is expected to spend $100 million on trying to oust democrats like yourself in their primaries before they even get to the general election. another group, the democratic majority for israel back just endorsed george latimer, the candidate running against you and new york's primary. what you make of this? would you say to these groups are coming after you on this issue? have you ever experienced anything like this in your short time in politics so far? >> first of all, let's go, that's what i like to see. no. i've never experienced anything like this in my short-term in congress. there is a huge disconnect between people like my opponent and the people in my district. the majority of the people in

my district or working-class, people of color, people who have been historically marginalized, oppressed and neglected by the political system. they finally have a representative in me who has delivered for the district. over $1 billion for programs for affordable childcare, housing, climate justice. they finally have someone governing with them and aipac wants to push back because their power is being challenged. their power is being targeted. they've been in power in my opponent has been hanging out with them and the other very wealthy people in my district for his entire career. they've never had someone like me speaking up and governing with the working class. so now that we won in 2020, won in 2022, they're going topull out all the stops and spend as much as they need to to get me out, but it's not about money. it's about people. and it's not about power. it's about family and community. so we have been doing the work on the ground with the people

since we've been in office. we are proud of our record and that record will see us to victory. >> why, though? why is this happening? i don't know of another part of our politics or a policy issue. it does not happen. the gun lobby doesn't do this with your opponent. they don't primary you if you are not -- the climate lobby does not do this. the labor lobby does not do this. why is this happening? >> they don't want any criticism of israel. israel is an ally. we want them to remain an ally, but just like your brother or your cousin or your friend, when they are doing the wrong thing, you have to tell them they're doing the wrong thing. you hold them accountable so they can improve. israel has been doing that on -- wrong thing. not just as it relates to the collective punishment in gaza and the starvation that's happening right now, but prior to that, labeled an apartheid state. occupation, a blockade. things that nobody ever wants to talk about. now that people in congress like mere speaking the truth to

hold israel accountable to do better from them's -- for themselves and a free palestine , they're coming after us because they don't want criticism of israel. it's absurd and will help us maintain a good relationship or lives in israel or palestine. >> this so you are too focused on this and not focused enough in your district. they're trying to do that with other progressives. does that hold any water? >> every accusation is a confession. my district does not want bombs and weapons and billions to be sent to israel to kill babies. my money wants to be sent to our districts so people can afford housing and child care and utilities and have better paying jobs and afford food and take a vacation. we want peace and we want investments in the american economy and the american people. particularly the black, brown,

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confusion and terror for expected mothers in florida. the state supreme court did away with decades of legal precedent in florida's constitution not extending to abortions. in a 6-1 decision monday, the conservative court not only upheld the 15 week abortion ban, but actually greenland the governor's six week abortion ban, which will take effect may 1st. in practice, a six week ban is actually no different than a total ban on abortion since many people don't even know they are pregnant by that mark. and even if they are aware, florida requires patients seeking the procedure to complete two in person doctor visits with a 24-hour waiting

period in between. that's a challenging burden to meet before 15 weeks and nearly impossible to meet before six. however, the six week ban, the most extreme in the nation, will not only impact floridians but have devastating ripple effects throughout the entire south. after roe was overturned, the sunshine state became a refuge of sorts for those seeking care in the region. according to the study, there were almost 9000 more abortions in florida in 2023 compared to 2020. a 12% increase that researchers attribute largely to travel from out-of-state patients. without the access in florida, out-of-state patients will not have to look elsewhere for care. come may 1st, floridians will be forced to join them. the closest clinic for someone living at the state's southernmost tip is a 14 hour drive away to charlotte, north carolina, for a patient whose pregnancy has progressed beyond

12 weeks, the point at which north carolina bans abortion, they'll have to drive even further. 17 hours north, all the way to southern virginia. on your cook, her nearly decide after -- died after being denied an abortion in 2022 shared her story for women who may encounter complications at the six week mark. run. that's what she told the washington post, because you have no help here. there's a small glimmer of hope on the horizon. in a second ruling issued by the supreme court monday. the justices in a 4-3 decision ruled that an amendment to explicitly enshrine abortion rights in the state's constitution can in fact go on the ballot come november. the measure would amend florida's constitution to protect abortion rights up to the point of futile viability which is between 22 and 24 weeks of pregnancy. abortion rights have proven to

be a winning issue with the ballot box with voters deciding to protect access in every measure on the issue, even in generally red states. in florida, the ballot measure isn't a simple matter of winning the majority of the vote. for the constitutional amendment to pass, it actually needs 60% support. that's a threshold that abortion rights groups have not been able to reach in red states thus far. all hope is not lost. far from it. poland shows that the florida public does not back extreme restrictions on abortion. 67% of floridians so that the procedure should be legal in all or most cases. after monday's ruling, though, one of the leaders of an organization backing the amendment said it's now full steam ahead for abortion-rights supporters. quote, the dobbs decision told the states that it was their job to present this to voters so that voters can decide. florida is going to do that in november. and we are going to win. we take a deeper look at the water when we come back. back.

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's's despite florida's six week abortion ban taking effect in may, voters will have a final say on the constitutional amendment coming in november. with so many women in florida living under the republican rollback of their rights, the biden harris campaign thinks there is a chance it could actually help them win in florida in november. are they right?

let's ask your friend back with us and joining the conversation, melissa murray, professor of law at new york university. good to have you with us. melissa, what do you make of the dual ruling from the florida supreme court? >> the court clearly was a bit futile. they concluded that the florida supreme court's ruling from many years ago guaranteed a right to personal privacy. they said that they receded from that ruling which is the new doublespeak for overruling an earlier precedent. because they were receding from the earlier precedent, they could no longer guarantee that the florida constitution guaranteed a right to bodily autonomy. then in the next rep, as you know, the that other ruling said that the state could go forward with the ballot initiative to enshrine greater protections for abortion-rights going forward, which would be put to the voters in november. so given with one hand, taking with the other.

the broad question here is what will happen in november with the ballot initiative in florida. whether that will counteract the force of this very extreme ruling on the question of bodily autonomy. >> was asked that question. before we ask exactly what it means for the democrats, i want your thoughts on why trump has been saying he described a six week ban is a quote terrible thing and a terrible mistake. do you think that republicans know what they're in for here? will this extreme band backfire? >> nationally, i think they know what they are and four. however, how does that translate to possibly losing florida's unusable 30 electoral votes if you are a republican candidate for president. i'm not sure it reaches that point yet. the reason for that is florida is no longer the battleground state that we've grown up for a generation knowing that it was. right now, we are at an almost

1 million republican voter registration advantage in the state. that's something that's never happened before. it's an unprecedented development in the history of the state when you combine the republican registration and independence that lead republicans. it's over a million. it's almost to 2 million votes in terms of registration over the last several years. second, there is an effort we believe it or not, in the state, to try not to politicize this issue or make it if you will a partisan issue, which seems absurd, not blaming the party, the republican party of donald trump in florida. the responsible bad actors who made the issue come up in the first place. but nonetheless it's a reality here. the silver lining in the good news, i do believe that the amendment will pass. even despite florida's 60% threshold. why? because we know there's a significant amount of republicans and independents who still believe in a woman's right to choose. we've seen this in other states. ohio, kentucky, where the referendums have happened and

we know for a fact that that support is pretty much holding in the polling that we've seen in florida, as well. i do draw the line on whether or not those voters, republicans and independents that say they are going to vote for a woman's right to choose her not necessarily going to wholly transfer their vote in florida for partisan or democratic candidates for statewide office. until we see polling that shows that happening, i would tread lightly on whether or not florida is still in play. >> so you're saying you could envision scenarios that a lot of people in florida, women and others who sam going to vote to protect a woman's right to reproductive rights but doesn't necessarily mean i'll vote for democrats on the rest of the ticket and the risk of democrats campaigning on this is a democrat versus republican issue is that it may force republicans to not come out and therefore, the amendment would also not pass. >> that's precisely right.

again, this idea that not wanting to make it a partisan question whether or not you should vote democrat on the abortion amendment means republicans may not necessarily feel they have the offramp or permission structure to still vote for their republican party candidates. not to mention the tectonic political realities of florida. i know democrats hate to hear it . and i hate to say this is a democrat in florida but it's a republican red state. it's the reason why republicans have won 30 out of the last 36 statewide contests and the democrats have only won one statewide election in 10 years. >> melissa, i wanted your thoughts on the undercurrent of the situation here. joseph had warned of what he described as an ominous current lurking beneath the court rulings with six of the seven justices appearing to endorse this idea of fetal personhood that you mentioned earlier. explain to our viewers what

that is, why if this amendment fails a good signal even more trouble on the horizon for women in florida. as we have seen states copy what other states do, what could this now mean for other states to follow suit? >> the term fetal personhood refers to the notion that the fetus, and unborn person, is actually an entity with constitutional rights and statutory rights like any person who's actually been born. and in some of the oral arguments in this case and indeed in some of the opinions in both cases, it seems clear that at least some members of the seven-member florida supreme court are very futile personhood forward in their thinking. that may translate into a lot of different things going forward on this ballot initiative. it could succeed and then be

challenged at the florida supreme court. you might have individuals same regardless of what the majority of floridians want because of fetal personhood we actually have to vindicate the rights of the fetus and the ballot initiative can't go into effect. that's a very extreme outcome, obviously, but there are seeds of that in opinions in that case. if the ballot initiative fails, then i think all bets are off. you can see florida and the legislature moving forward with this whole idea of fetal personhood with legislation and maybe a constitutional amendment. to push back, i'm a floridian. i understand the changing demographics of the state. i do think one of the things that having the abortion ballot is focusing attention on this issue but local races like who the da is, who the judges are in local courts could make a difference for the enforcement of abortion laws. that can have real effects. even if it does not necessarily bring people out for joe biden. >> thank you so much. please stick around. we'll talk to you a little bit later. we will talk to a journalist who broke the story about israel's reported use of artificial intelligence in its war on gaza. r on gaza.

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now to a new investigation revealing the israeli military using artificial intelligence to carry out assassinations and killing in gaza with little human oversight. the result, thousands of baleen casualties. investigation by +92 seven magazineand local call based on interviews with six israeli intelligence officials who all served in the current war in gaza. the ai system called lavender is designed to identify junior hamas operatives. they are tracked and taken out by bombs once they are at home with their families. the report notes that early in the war, the israeli army gave sweeping approval for officers to adopt the lavender kill list with no requirement to thoroughly check why the machine made those choices. the result, thousands of palestinians, most of them women and children, or people not involved in the fighting, were wiped out by those israeli

strikes. here is you in general secretary jenny gutierrez on friday. >> am also deeply troubled by reports that the israeli military's bombing campaign includes artificial intelligence as a tool in the identification of targets, particularly in densely populated residential areas. resulting in a high level of civilian casualties. no part of life in these decisions. impacting entire families. should be delegated to the calculation of only humans. >> he denies that ai was used to identify suspected extremists and terrorist targets. i spoke with an author, you've all abraham and a journalist and filmmaker based in jerusalem. thank you so much for joining us

today. during an investigation, is really sources told you that lavender software analyzes information collected on most of the 2.3 million residents of the gaza strip through a system of mass surveillance. what happens then? what does it do with this information? >> so what lavender does is gives people in gaza a written between 1 to 100 based on the likelihood that the machine assesses that the individual belongs to the hamas or islamic jihad military organizations. the machine was trained on the data of real militants and works based on a list of features. so these are really small signs. it could be like being in a what's up group with a militant. many different signs that can lower or raise the rating. sources use this machine and the current operation. i spoke with six israeli intelligence officers who told me that it generated 37,000 palestinians as potential targets for assassination, as

suspects, and they were using it with very little human supervision. so despite knowing that the machine was making mistakes approximately in 10% of the cases, one source says that they did not have to look at the raw intelligence data before authorizing a strike. it's a sort of rubberstamp on the decisions of the machine was making. the protocol is they only have to check if the target is a male or a female. if it's a female they thought well, there are no women in the hamas. if it was a male, the target was improved with her again checking the information of the machine. >> he reported that there's an automated system in this program called where is daddy that is used to specifically target hamas operatives when they entered their families residence. one of your sources also revealed to you that the

israeli military bombed them in homes without hesitation as a first option. to my understanding that correctly? >> yeah. this is really important because this was a systematic policy in the operation. taking these ai generated targets. again some of them passed militants. some of them alleged militants. we knew some of them would be civilians because there was no substantial track on what the machine was doing. and then where is daddy basically scans thousands of these simultaneously and gives officers alerts the moments a person enters their house. these houses were systematically bombed during the first few weeks of the war according to one source with a predetermined authorized collateral damage rate of 20 palestinian civilians per house. in other sources, the number was 15. this has really been a key characteristic for what we've seen. entire elliston in families being bombed inside their houses. really important points to note here is that these systematic bombardments were happening according to sources only with

what are called dumb bombs. these are unguided missiles. and the reason was according to sources that for these, the vendor marked ai generated a legible ranking militants that were bombed inside their houses, they were not viewed as especially important from a military point of view. one source for me that they eliminated those targets, named garbage targets and were only allotted it unguided munitions to destroy them and set their houses. >> how do you square that with the united states repeated calls to limit killing civilians? it's a staggering death toll that we've seen in gaza. white house spokesperson john kirby said on cnn this week that the u.s. is now looking into your reporting based on what you've been able to reveal. >> and thinking two things. first of all, there is a potential attack on rafah. i think it's very likely that

if israel goes ahead with this , as netanyahu said they're planning to do, they will re- implement the use of these systems, of the home bombings. where is daddy. 70% of the houses are already destroyed. 300,000 houses. i'm very much afraid of that. the second thing i would say is that i really feel from the united states that in a way it's like i question, do they know the way israel was using the system? the first two months of the operation. to me it makes sense that the united states did no how this was being conducted. and then why were they giving my country, -- israel, the green light to carry out the policy. bombing people inside their houses. according to sources, the

majority of these households, there were no military actions taking place. so there bombing alleged militants, killing entire families in the process and doing so systematically for lower ranking militants in hamas and jihad. i think it's questionable that they were not, you know, preventing israel from doing that. >> and the idf statement after your reporting cannot, they said that they, quote, do not use an artificial intelligence system that identifies terrorist operatives or tries to predict whether a person is a terrorist. information systems are merely tools for analysts in the target identification process. i wanted to give you a chance to respond to that military statement. what do you make of it? how do you evaluate the truth of the statement? >> i will be very blunt here, because it's not often that i can say with full confidence that that statement that you just read is a lie. i don't have to respond. everybody can google -- there's

a 2023 public lecture, the commander of the ai centered gates at a university. we have the footage of the lecture where he speaks about a machine that uses artificial intelligence to, quote, identify terrorists. that what he says in the lecture. i write out the whole person's response to sources in the idf and intelligence officers i've been speaking with. one of them just laughed and he says you know, it's completely untrue. there is literally proof online proving that. i was really shocked that this response, you know, it does not make sense at all. >> thank you so much for your reporting. thank you for coming on the program to talk us through all of the excellent reporting you have been doing. best of luck to you, my friend. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate it.

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