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bracing for possible retaliation over the israeli airstrike that killed two iranian generals. escalation is raising concerns on capitol hill where funding for israel will once again be on the agenda when congress returned this week from a two week recessed static meanwhile, cia director bill burns is working on turning down the temperature. he is in egypt for cease-fire and hostage release talks with officials from qatar, israel and possibly hamas. distributes pour in for aid workers killed in gaza while bringing food to palestinians, white house officials say president biden is applying pressure to israel to do more to address the humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip. there have been too many aid workers killed by israeli operations. that is what the president was so firm with israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu in their call this week. they have to change the way they are doing it . you have to do it better and it has to improve. we have seen some aid organizations pulling back not

just world central kitchen, but others. it is a time of the people in gaza need food, water and medicine more than any other time. >> let's go to nbc hala gorani joining us from tel aviv. what are you seeing and what is the reaction to the new developments? >> reporter: it is a significant withdrawal of idf forces from the southern part of the gaza strip. it in no way indicates that we are nearing a cessation of hostilities. it simply means a single brigade will be left in terms of ground troops. in the northern part of the gaza strip, they will be tasked with holding that part of the territory and that part of the enclave and securing the bifurcation line that divides north and south gaza. we are also hearing- we are expecting i should say, that more aid routes will open following the call between president biden and israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu . that promise came

from the israeli government, but it is not something we have seen materialize . the big question is, what does this mean ? you mentioned the anticipated ground invasion in rafah . if the troops have withdrawn from the southern part of the strip, it is unlikely the offensive would take place against rafah . it is something we have heard the president and we know the biden administration has been warning the israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu against. in the meantime, i should say the strip and humanitarian community is still reeling from the attack that killed seven relief workers from the world central kitchen. and josi address, the group founder, is still very emotional about it when he talks about the depths of his colleagues. >> for me, i think the grief is going on, especially for members i knew closely. so many

missions. it has been six months of targeting anything that moves. this does not seem like a war against terror or defending israel at this point, it seems that it is a war against humanity itself. >> reporter: the effect of this, as you know, is many international organizations have now suspended their operations in the gaza strip where there is in some parts of the territory, near-famine conditions. >> a time when their services are so badly needed. hala gorani, thank you for reporting. stay safe. me now is ranking member of the armed services committee congressman adam smith.

we usually see each other in the halls of congress and thank you for joining me in this forum. my first question is on the israeli withdrawal from the south. what was your reaction when you heard this and what do you think spurred it on? >> i do not know his honest answer. i know israel had been planning on doing a operation in rafah at some point . we were putting pressure on them. the biden administration was putting pressure on them to do with the military in crisis before doing that. this would seem to put off, by quite a bit, any further operation in rafah. it is a shift in tactic . the point here in the point the president has been making for a long time is there has to be more than to get monitoring assistance into gaza. -- humanitarian assistance into gaza. >> you told foxnews you do not

support withholding arms from israel, but you did say they need to change the way they are conducting the war in gaza because it is not the right approach. some your colleagues on the other hand have since signed a letter calling for the u.s. to use conditions on his military aid. it is been six months and there is a deteriorating humanitarian situation on the ground. if not now to use the leverage point, then when? >> there are several pieces that tend to be left out of the conversation. it assumes the only issue going on in gaza and israel is the humanitarian crisis in gaza. that is a huge issue in a huge problem, but not the only issue hamas is still a factor. israel has agreed to a cease- fire multiple times over the course-i guess it is up to six weeks now. hamas has said no. if hamas think they can continue to hold out a not agree to a cease-fire because israel is one under pressure, that extends the conflict as well. what is the incentive for hamas? giving them a complete pass on this, as has happened too much

in the last several months, just prolongs the conflict. pressure has to be brought to the mosque to agree to the cease-fire that has been offered to them. that is number one. number two, is what is going on with hezbollah and iran. israel has threatened him early in those two directions. if we cut off military aid to israel, does that incentivize hezbollah and iran to say israel is now vulnerable and we can attack and succeed and cause the conflict to spread? those are the two other factors. look, israel has to understand the civilian population in not just gaza, but the west bank as well, is crucial to the future of the security of israel. as i have said over and over again, the palestinian people have no hope, no future and no prospects, that is not good for israel. it is terrible for humanity as well. but israel needs understand it is bad for their security as well and there are clear concrete steps they can change for what they are doing in gaza to better protect the civilian

population. >> congressman, i am glad you bring up the role of iran and application of what could happen if military aid is cut off and weakens israel in light of a possible iranian attack. we are hearing them say, we will be retaliating imminently. do you think it changes the conversation that is happening in washington d.c.? >> it ups the concern. look, the concern has been that -- there for years. iran at times historically attacked u.s. military personnel in the region and attacked israel for decades now. iran has been providing weapons to hamas and hezbollah, amongst other groups in the region. this is a long-running conflict in which we have to figure out a way to stop iran from using their proxies to disrupt so many governments in syria, iraq, lebanon and yemen. that is a long-running fight. certainly, it is heightened now

. it undermines how important it is to get to a cease-fire in gaza. there are many flashpoints in the conflict, but none is bigger right now than the war in gaza. >> we are coming back in session this week to a long looming fight about the foreign aid supplement told bill. it will be far from a partyline vote if and when it gets a vote in the house. the speaker seems to be pushing for the idea of ukraine aid in the form of a loan. that is contrary to the idea of what the senate passed. i asked leader jeffries about this before recess. he said the senate supplemental package is, in his words, the only viable path forward. do you agree or would you be open to ukraine aid that is alone? >> at this point, the senate bill is the only viable path forward. look, you and i have spoken many times about the legislative process. the legislative process is not theoretical. we have heard from

republicans going on six months now, a wide variety of different ideas. whether it is a loan, the repo act or greater account ability. what if we did this or what if we did that? none of that is a piece of legislation. as we sit here today with the week coming before us, they do not have a piece of legislation. they literally do not have an alternative to offer. even if they came up with one in the next day or two, you know the process. it would take months before he could get her through ukraine does not have months. speaker johnson understands that. he knows the urgency of ukraine and he will not let this go for longer than the next week or two before we get a vote. >> to know what else speaker johnson understands? if he puts a supplemental bill up for a vote he may hear more from marjorie taylor greene who is calling for a vote to oust him as speaker. if it was not ukraine aid it would be the upper patient's package. if not that, it would've been something else. i am skeptical that her threat

amount to much. if it does, you back johnson if it means getting the vote on ukraine aid? >> first of all, sadly, we will hear a lot more from marjorie taylor greene no matter what. which is unfortunate for all of us to. three issues. one, ukraine. speaker johnson does not want to abandon ukraine. two, the threat to his speakership. he really cares about the third thing, which is he doesn't want his party to crack up. he is try to put this in a way that minimizes the damage to his own party, which is understandable. if marjorie taylor greene or anybody else brings a motion to vacate the chair, and if speaker johnson gives us a vote on ukraine, i and a whole lot of other cuts will not support that motion. we will not remove speaker johnson. i do not think marjorie taylor greene has the votes. like i said, if he gives us a vote on ukraine. i want to emphasize that speaker johnson is an entirely different person than kevin mccarthy kevin mccarthy was very difficult to work with.

in my experiences working with mike on committee, i do not agree with him on a lot, but he is a straightforward guy. you can work with him in a democrat's cannot work with kevin mccarthy. i think speaker johnson would survive the motion. >> congressman, a sentiment i have heard from several of your colleagues. i appreciate you joining us on the eve of congress' return. i will see you tuesday in the halls of congress. >> it is going to be a fun week. >> our definitions of fun may be different. we'll talk with the former supreme allied commander of nato later this hour. tomorrow afternoon millions across the u.s. will put on the protective glasses for a rare opportunity to catch a glance of the total solar eclipse. people from around the country and overseas traveling to towns across the eclipse path which will make its way across 15 states from texas to maine , all to see the afternoon sky go dark as the moon books up the

sun -- blocks out the sun. >> i am from south wales in the united kingdom. very far away. i traveled to evansville for the eclipse. my name is evan and it is on my birthday. my name on my birthday and eclipse is insane. >> ashley and her three children even nolan and sky flew into northwest arkansas airport on friday. >> we are here to see the solar eclipse on monday. >> we take in the bottom of an aluminum frame pound and i took a paperclip and poked a pinhole in it. >> the white papers taped to the inside of the box and that is where you will see the projection of the son. >> the pinhole lets the sunlight come through the projects onto the white paper you taped to the bottom of the box. you'll be able to see the cookie bite as it progresses across the disk of the sun.

nbc's morgan chesky is in kerrville, texas which is in the path of totality tomorrow. you see more people flock to town in corporation? yesterday you said not so much yet. >> reporter: folks are coming into texas hill country. we have and the estimated hundred thousand or so projected to arrive in kerrville for the magical four minutes and 24 seconds tomorrow i can personally attest there are quite a few more folks in the downtown area. i ran into a couple from the netherlands yesterday. they made the journey here specifically because it has one of the longest times in totality. they were a little frustrated because of the potential forecast calling for cloud cover. as of right now, there is a chance for a picture-perfect view of the eclipse. even if there are cloutier, if they are thin clouds we should still see an incredible show. up and down the path of totality from texas to maine ,

people are expected about the -- expected about the potential of what the clip could bring. in grapevine texas, it is outside of dallas. >> the people we have coming in here are from several different states. we have had people from oklahoma, arkansas and nevada and colorado. and we had a couple people from the northeast, but down here. we do not know what to expect. we know the campgrounds and hotels are booked. we are just stocking up. we have doubled our order. we are looking to push out a lot of sandwiches. >> reporter: lots of sandwiches and lots of the clips glasses and viewers here. crucial pieces and tools to have if you want to view the safely. i can tell you, just taking a peek at the sunlight now, looking at it in all of its glory, it will be special when you have the moment of totality

in pull the glasses down safely for the four minutes and 24 seconds. everyone crossing their fingers for a heckuva show tomorrow. the kerrville eclipse festival is setting up as we speak. there will be a band and food trucks. nasa is here. everyone is getting set for potentially once in a lifetime expense. -- experience. >> we love seeing the fashion show with the glasses. it is like america's next top model for reporters morgan chesky, thank you. tomorrow katy tur host special coverage of the total clips. asserted 2:00 pm eastern on msnbc. new york's attorney general is not so sure about donald trump's 175 nine dollars bond payment. why she is concerned. concerne s enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on our way. and she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive.

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new questions surrounding donald trump's $179 million fraud bond he posted last week. new york attorney general letitia james is asking for more information about the entity that backed the bond, knight specialty insurance company, and whether it would be able to actually pay up. a new york judge will hold a hearing on the matter april 22nd. there are other questions here as well. join me now is a legal affairs columnist for political and former federal prosecutor. what are then new york ag's concerns here? is it possible they could reject the bond altogether? >> it is possible. essentially the bond company did not post the typical paperwork you would expect a bond company to post. potentially equivalent of a certificate that shows they are able to handle these sorts of bonds in the state of new york. and other sorts of paperwork that usually is filed with the

bonds. the ag is understandably concerned about that. obviously, you could have some companies say they have the money, but not have it really a lot is riding on that from the perspective of the state of new york. the judge will get to the bottom of it. if it is just an oversight, so be it. if it is not, there will be more to the story. >> the billionaire owner of the entity which backed the bond is named dan hankey and he approached trump about offering his services before the bond got reduced on appeal from $444 million to $175 million. still staggering amounts. propublica is reporting that the trump's -- failure to report that could violate ethical rules. why is that a problem? >> trump's attorneys made representations to the court saying it is literally impossible for company to provide the bond. we, as attorneys are held to higher standards than a typical

citizen. sometimes it goes the other way that attorneys are less honest. the professional responsible to rule requires us to be more honest and forthcoming, particular to a judge or tribunal. they said it was impossible and the company could not do it. if shortly thereafter a company comes forward and says we can take care of this, you the duty to clarify that and to update the court so that you are not making a misimpression on the court. it gets down into the weeds in terms of when they found out exactly what the company told them. >> there are questions about the charges involved. he told reuters that that would be an easy procedure that would not involve other legal problems and it is not turning out that way. he said, " we probably did not charge enough and usually surety companies charge 1% to 2% of the face value of the bond. " why would her and she charged peacefulness by the court ? >> i think the concern is

whether or not it is essentially - is he providing a benefits or other promises that have been made to him? what exactly is being put up, given that only the fact that it is a high profile matter and on the other side of the lawsuit versus the state of new york and the people of the state of new york. obviously, the judge just make sure the people, the state of new york are not left holding the bag here with a company that perhaps does not really have the backing it needs to pay the money if in fact it becomes due. >> it makes sense why they want to look into it. i want to look ahead to the new york hush money trial that begins april 15th a week away. nbc has learned that former white house communications director hope hicks is expected to be a witness. i was with her 2015 and 2016 on

the campaign. her time as a campaign press secretary in the final weeks before his election is going to be an issue. for her part, she said she was not involved with the hush money discussions at the time and she did not become aware of stormy daniels' allegations until early november in 2016. what could she reveal in her testimony? >> there were records from the federal prosecutors in particular to look at this that hope hicks was on conversations and calls with michael cohen and donald trump, which is important. michael a. cohen, would talking to an attorney or in this case, more of a fixer. in any event, trump at that point was being very forthcoming with michael cohen. she was in the thick of those conversations. on phone calls with trump and kohan. she was texting with michael: at that period. it is important because the intent matters here. trump says his attempt in

covering up the fax is broken records was essentially to spare his wife some embarrassment from the fact that he was unfaithful. the district attorney is alleging it was part of a scheme to influence the election and he lost interest in hiding this once he got elected president. his intent, and his words on the calls and someone will be very important. i think hope hicks will be an important witness for the prosecution. >> it is interesting to see. renato mariotti, thank you for joining us. donald trump's new promises to the bigwigs the cantu's fundraiser last night. iser las.

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last night, donald trump managed to raise more than $50 million after wining and dining a group of mega-wealthy donors at his florida fundraising dinner. a large hall for the trump camp, but trying to play catch- up to the record breaking $192 million war chest amassed by the biden campaign. we have reporters covering the 2024 money wars on both sides. let's with nbc aaron gilchrist with the president in wilmington, delaware. what are we hearing for the biden campaign today after trump managed to pull in all of the money last night? i had a spokesperson on earlier who was basically trying to say it is all good. we are the biden campaign of putting our money to good use. >> reporter: that is argument the biden campaign is making. we will hear from one of the campaign managers in a second. i will put it into perspective. while the biden campaign has raised an incredible amount of money, they have indicated they raised $187 million just in the first quarter of this year. the $90 million you noted in the month of march alone.

they said it matters how much money they have raised, but it matters more how they are spending that money i want you to hear about what the campaign believes is happening right now with the money were you referenced. >> this is not just about money. it is what you do with the money. our campaign is out raising donald trump i am not sure about the numbers his team is talking about. we will take a look at that when the numbers had to be posted. our campaign is about raising money from grassroots donors and that is what we have been doing for five consecutive months. >> reporter: the biden campaign says if you strip away the conversation happening around what the republicans and donald trump have been able to raise, they are spending the money on trump's legal fees at this point . that is what the biden campaign believes. they say they are spending the grassroots money they are raising on things like opening or campaign offices. hiring more staff and figuring out how

to reach out to voters in a direct way. sometimes face to face. other times, through phone calls or text messages or other digital platforms. they said that will make the difference in november. they believe the biden campaign is raising money and applying it to a strategy they think will win in november. contrast that with what they believe is happening on the trump side. they said they just do not have the money to melt the campaign would allow them to win. >> we often hear campaign officials talking about meeting voters where they are. imagine that is where a lot of the money is going towards. thanks for joining us. the trump campaign making a big leap forward attempt to close the funding gap. cleaning they raised $50 million at a fundraiser in florida last night. let's bring in an intrepid campaign reporter. no such thing as free money. former president trump made a policy promise to his donors last night, tax cuts. what else? >> tax cuts among other things. a big night for former

president trump off the campaign and into a big night of fundraising in palm beach down the street from his mar-a- lago golf course. he did speak with some of the nation's wealthiest donors got around 100 of them. saying he will extend the tax cuts. he spoke briefly before he went to the fundraiser saying, people want to see change ahead of november. >> people are just wanting change. rich people want it. poor people want it. everybody wants change. our country is doing poorly and we are a laughing stock around the world. we will get that changed quickly it will go down as the most important date in the history of our country. november 5th will be the most important date in the history of our country. >> that was among other things with the tax cuts. some things are about minds of voters when it comes to inflation and immigration. among some of the wealthy people in the audience that there was former gop rivals vivek ramaswamy, former governor doug burgum and

senator tom scott -- tim scott who is been in the vp conversations. it is a big week as trump is set to come to new york on april 15th ahead of his hush money trial. a busy time on and off the campaign trail for the former president. >> i want my question. when i see the people that spoke in addition to trump, i know vivek ramaswamy was told no dice on the vp slot. we may put you in the administration what about somebody like senator tim scott. i cover the campaign and to me, it seems clear he is positioning himself. so we read into the fact that former rivals were there? >> senator scott has made himself public facing when it comes to being close with the former president. he has appeared with him and rallies. he is at the fundraiser with him. definitely tying himself closely to the former president. in conversations i believe former president trump has said

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congress is enough to return from recess tomorrow as debate continues on how to handle aid to israel and possible threats from iran. julie tsirkin is on capitol hill with the latest. they are coming back. i think the conversation i just had with congressman adam smith with -- was instructive about the ways the incoming supplemental package of funding aid to ukraine and israel is wrapped up. there are some democrats that are saying if this is what loses mike johnson his job, he may back,. was a preview of the dynamics that we are in for this week. is much more of do we approve of the aid or not. winds you set that up perfectly . your interview with adam smith, the top democrat in the armed services committee in the house, was telling for what we will see in the next coming days and coming weeks. the supplement aid package you are referring to is something the senate approved months ago in february. and included aid to ukraine and it included $14 billion for legal assistance to israel and

to replenish the iron dome. inc. -- it included billions in humanitarian aid and money you are unlikely to see if speaker mike johnson put a republican- crafted offer on the floor. you heard adamson tell you it is the only path forward to make everybody happy. you will leave some people unhappy. the goal is to put the senate- passed package on the floor. you have senate democrats like chris van hollen of maryland, who by the way author the original natural security memorandum that president biden pushed forward to require any country or recipient of u.s. legal aid to abide by international law. he is some of the will look for that. that report is with the company it. here's what he said this morning >> we are not taking the position that we should not be sending aid to israel. they need to defend themselves.

offensive weapons, airplanes, bombs, artillery and everything being used right now in gaza, these are offensive weapons being used. what is says is you should not be shipping more weapons to the israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu government when they are not meeting their commitments, including the delivery of human hearing aid or not complying with international law. >> reporter: in addition to the additional funds the house could approve in the foreign aid package, remember, there are billions of lethal assistance on the line that many congressional democrats, including senator van hollen or urging the president to hit pause on until they get the certification on the eighth. $18 billion in weapons, including fighter jets by the way, what you heard him mentioned there, to be used in the operation in gaza. that is something that cuts are watching closely while republicans are putting messaging bills on the floor in the coming days. >> we will see messaging bills and fights for privacy reform and moving toward an impeaching

secretary mayorkas. thank you for joining us started coming out isformer nato supreme allied commander admiral james stavridis . admiral, thanks for joining me. we are learning that israel is withdrawing all ground troops from southern gaza. it is unclear if the pullback will delay the expected invasion of for. this is what national security adviser john kirby had to say about it earlier. >> it is hard to know exactly what it tells us right now. it was the announcement they made and i will let them speak to their operations as we understand it. and through their public announcements. it is about rest and refit for the troops on the ground for four months. not necessarily, that we can tell, indicative of some incoming operation for the troops. they have been on the ground for four months to. the word we are getting is they are tired. >> is your read on this the same? >> i would say the troops are being withdrawn for three

reasons. number one, what john kirby just said. he did not make the point that israel is largely a reserve army. six months ago, most of these troops were called up. these are butchers, bakers and candlestick maker so to speak. their shops are closed. their ways of business are not working. they have got to get the reservists back into civilian life. there is an economic component. rest and refit i suppose is part of it. frankly, the major thing is the pressure the biden administration is putting on israel. and the reason the biden team is doing so is because of their international pressure. all of that is working together. finally, it is also the pressure from within israel on the overall campaign. the tenor of it, the hostages and lack of cease-fire to bring hostages

home. seeing big stations in israel. it is accommodation of all three. >> we have seen our colleague hala gorani on the ground. someone told her, i would be good if israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu would negotiate for the hostage release first and cease-fire talks can come later. the other think u.s. officials are on alert for is iran make launch an attack on israel or meghan troops in the region. that, in retaliation for a israeli strike on the iranian consulate in syria . killed several syrian officials last week. iran warning today that none of the israeli embassies are safety in confrontation with israel is its legitimate and legal right. is iran seeking to make it a wider conflict in the region? >> no, i do not think so. note the precision of the statement from tehran. that israeli embassies are no longer safe . that is because the iranian embassy in damascus

was attacked by israel. i think israel is signaling they intend to respond partially in after an israeli embassies somewhere. are deliberately saying we will not unleash hezbollah and hundreds of thousands of surface to surface missiles. iran does not want a wider war because they know it would ultimately drag the united states into it. that would be disastrous ultimately for the iranian armed forces. look for iran to respond militarily over the next five to 10 days. it will probably be fairly precise, directed against an israeli embassy . those folks should be on high alert. >> today marks six months from the start of the war. you have ongoing negotiations in cairo to once again attempt to reach a cease-fire deal. what do you think the outcome of this one is going to be? >> i have said from the beginning, watch the location of

u.s. director of the cia, former ambassador bill burns. not only our nation's spymaster, a career-long it will not and former u.s. ambassador to moscow and jordan . he is very experienced where is bill burns? he is in cairo. that tells you that things are getting closer. as i tie that to the israeli announcement of walking troops back, i go into the week somewhat hopeful that a deal could be close. i think it is still 50/50 at best, but it is a lot better than zero chance many of us felt a few weeks ago. >> i think that is right. thank you for joining us and enjoy the rest of your sunday. coming up, the impact of cancel culture on our lives and how we decide on where to draw the line what you learn from a new film debuting tonight on msnbc.

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cancel culture what does that mean to you? >> it is such a broad term >> nobody does what the standards are. >> is a form of protest. >> people voicing their opinions. >> it is based on a false binary system. i am good. you are bad. i am right and you're wrong. >> i believe you can call people out and not cancel them.

>> there is no trying to understand what you did or give you a chance to change that nope, you do something wrong. that is it. >> in the old days you went and torn feathered people. if your goal is to disappear ideas, yes, at a certain point it looks like the mission of censorship. >> there was a sneak peek of msnbc's newest film "xcld: the story of cancel culture" which dives into the seemingly ever- present topic of social censorship. it features several comedians and msnbc on. for's behind the scenes is director fern pearlstein. where there views that were too controversial for a film that is literally about controversy? >> that is the first time someone has asked me that. i will say it was very difficult to find people who have been canceled to want to talk about it. there were a couple of people we were able to get the were

brave enough to talk about it. people do not want to relive that part of their story. >> it is fascinating. in your film, you explore more than just the act of canceling. your guests talk about the egg shells many feel the need to walk on now. listed another watch of a part and we will talk about it on the other side. >> if you are a teacher that completely messes up a depiction of a person or group. in some cases people should absolutely lizard jobs because they are harmful. but in many cases, there are opportunities to educate. there are opportunities to point out what is wrong within the systems that we have built. unfortunately, that is hard work. >> as a high schooler, there needs to be more space to grow. that is an issue of not letting people grow when they make mistakes. kids are mean. i think kids will always bully and cancel culture is just the new guys that bullies will take

to inflict harm upon someone. >> i am fascinated by the student activist you spoke to. at the end of the day, it falls on the person getting canceled to redeem themselves, of course. in 24 do you think that we, as a country are ready to recognize when somebody does do enough to grow as a person. gave them grace and almost un- cancel them? >> yes. i think we want to have a dialogue and not a monologue. that is part of the problem. when people come to the table and they understand that they may have caused harm and then we can talk about it. and have nuanced conversations. i think it helps us get to that place of redemption. >> it almost feels like the point of pointing out someone who should be canceled is pointing out something that should be a learning and growing experience for everyone else, including that person. that may be one helpful note.

what is the other hopeful note you seem to end the film on. no spoilers, but what you hope viewers take away from this? >> i think people need accountability if they have done some harm coming to the table. the whole point of the film is to find a nuanced way that we can have these conversations. not walking away from what you may have said. it is the way we deliver it. instead of sending out a knee- jerk opinion and closing your computer, and fight a dialogue. invite nuanced discussion. that is what we are hoping comes out of this. >> the film you made is relevant to things happening in real-time. dwayne the rock johnson and his recent statement he will not endorse any presidential candidate this year. he says it is because he hates cancel culture and the division that it causes. it all seems to be the norm today.

>> and a heightened world of social media, we have created a climate where people are too afraid to express their opinions. i do not know. i would like to see this film encourage people to have the hard conversations, rather than just shoot out blame and stuff like that. >> i wonder if you think it is the political climate that brought us here more than anything else? >> yes and no. i think social media and the way it works. is a joke, maybe not a joke. judy in the film talks about how in the old days you had your crazy old uncle that would make comments. now, he puts them out on social media i can find 10,000 people to agree with him. >> it is so amplified.

thank you. invite you to watch the film "xcld: the story of cancel culture" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on msb c. that will do it for me this hour. i am allie vitelli in for alex witt. coming up next, the blast from trump' us past. -- trump's past .

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