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we've got our eyes on baltimore right now where the president is touring the key bridge wreckage. you can see we've got a senator out there speaking, senator cardin. we're going to go there once president biden does start speaking. this is a major disaster, and he's trying to gin up support and attention on this so congress acts and helps to fund it to get it entirely rebuilt. in the meantime, as we wait for the president, we're going to be talking about israel. what is driving president biden on israel, and where do americans stand on the issue? it's not clear, but what is clear is that the strike on the seven world central kitchen workers is actually an inflection point. at least in terms of rhetoric from the administration, which now says that israel has to get it together or else. the question is the or else, is it backed up by a change in policy? it seems like that answer is yes. for instance, it was only a few

hours after president biden spoke with prime minister benjamin netanyahu that the idf released a detailed report on what led to the killing of seven aid workers, dismissing a major and a colonel from response. again, only a few hours for them to say they were opening more crossings in israel from gaza for humanitarian aid, and while the administration applauds the announcements, they are being clear that words here are not enough. >> these are positive developments, but the real test is results, is the aid effectively reaching people who need it throughout gaza. are the bottlenecks and other delays at crossings being resolved. do we have a much better system for deconfliction and coordination so the humanitarian workers, folks delivering the aid can do it safely and

securely? >> will israel change the wait that it is waging the war, and how, then, will the american public react? joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. "punchbowl news" cofounder and political contributor, jake sherman, and "washington post" senior national correspondent and msnbc political analyst, ashley parker. in terms of politics, monica, and not to turn this crisis into just a political issue. it's so much more than that. but in terms of politics here at home because, again, this is an election year, the president is facing what really is a no-win situation. you've got progressives who want him to end the war immediately. you've got moderates who want him to at least moderate, and you've got conservatives out there now saying that he should be putting no bars on israel, no red lines, moderating not at all when it comes to what israel is doing in gaza. how is this administration approaching the issue today? >> yeah, you can't ignore the politics here, certainly, i think that's fair, but it's the

policy, really, that is driving so much of the politics. if there is a potential shift there, that would be really notable. but in terms of the politics here, the president scheduled that call with prime minister netanyahu specifically after those aid workers were killed by those israeli bombs, and we, of course, know how that phone call went and the commitments that the prime minister made after it from a humanitarian perspective, but we learned today that there was also another reason for the president ramping up his rhetoric and asking israel to do more, and that was a closed doors, behind the scenes meeting that the president had on tuesday with some muslim american community leaders, including some doctors who have been to gaza, who have been treating extremely gravely injured kids and adults there who really printed and showed him photos of what people are facing there, that they say the president has been keenly made aware of the situation that he is facing politically because he has lost the support of many in the arab-american and

muslim-american communities. that is crystal clear from the fact that the meeting couldn't take place in a larger fashion, related to ramadan as it has in years past and people who were even invited to the meeting flatly declined saying they didn't want to be seen as coming to the white house to celebrate or have a dinner to break the fast when so many people are facing starvation and on the brink of famine in gaza. taking all of that together, you understand that certainly there's an awareness about the political situation but the white house says repeatedly that that isn't what is driving the policy but of course that is the critical background and context to it. and if you look even at our own polling, nbc news polling, specifically taking a look at the president's handling of the israel and hamas war, when it comes to young voters who could be critical in this election, when you look at gen z and millennials, he's so under water with those groups that of course there is a political reality and awareness to all of that that the biden campaign and the

entire reelection effort needs to contend with as well. katy. >> what about the personal views on this from the man himself, the president himself, ashley, when we're talking about that luncheon that monica mentioned, the breaking the fast luncheon, that's where we got the reporting that president biden told an attendee that his wife, dr. jill biden, the first lady, was urging him to try to stop the war in gaza. she was saying stop it, stop it now, according to this attendee. what do we know about how the president personally feels about what he's seeing in israel? >> a couple of things, first, just to put what the first lady was saying in context, it's important to remind people that she does not have an official role, but she is president biden's closest adviser. in any reporting if he was going to run for president, if he might not run this time, everyone we've talked to close to the biden orbit and in that orbit said if anyone could make a difference, if anyone has

sway, it's dr. jill biden. and so on this issue, too, you have to keep in mind that her word goes incredibly far. it's also worth noting that the white house has said, look, there's no daylight between the president and the first lady. she wants this war over, and he wants this war over. he's obviously balancing different considerations, and then to answer the final bit of your question, just speaking broadly, president biden going back to his days as a senator has always been a tremendously staunch supporter of israel. it's something he feels viscerally, it's something he feels in his bones, and what you see him grappling with now and what members of congress are saying, democrats are saying, progressives are saying, people in their own party are saying, it's not mutually exclusive. you can still be a staunch supporter of israel while criticizing bibi netanyahu, for instance. you can still be a staunch supporter of israel while demanding that the humanitarian

crisis in gaza is taken care of, and that seems to be the inflection point we are at. >> also, president biden came up in an era where israel's existence was very much a threat. it's different than a generation that is currently coming up, which sees israel as not a super power but as a power and a force in the region, as a strong, powerful country in the middle east that can defend itself. it's just two different viewpoints on the matter of israeli state hood. jake sherman, let's talk about congress and how congress is seeing this. we have heard from progressives quite a bit on this war, and the desire that they have made clear for the president to pull back, to not give so much military aid to israel. we're now hearing from more moderate members. what are they saying? >> reporter: i don't want to overstate this. it's striking when chris coons, a democrat from delaware, from biden's home state says we are heading in a direction where there needs to be new

restrictions on aid to israel. that is a sea change for somebody like chris coons who's intimately involved, deeply involved in the global community, and somebody who's very involved in foreign policy and foreign affairs. that's number one. number two, there's a couple of issues at play here, israel is on auto pilot from a deal that was cut during the obama administration for foreign aid. israel does get foreign aid from the united states every year, congress can change that. it hasn't, i don't think it will. but there's this issue of a supplemental spending bill. congress has not tasked a supplemental spending bill since october 7th to give israel money. the senate passed, it's been in the house of representatives. some signals of ukraine aid. who knows when that is, but in the next several weeks. the big issue that the israelis, the biden administration, and everyone on capitol hill needs to contend with is if this bill has to go back to the senate, if the house changes it, which it's almost certain to do, can israel

aid survive in tact as it was passed originally by the senate. i don't know the answer to that. i think you're going to have a big problem with democrats who were supportive of israel on the first round, who are going to go back and say, listen, maybe we need to rethink this. we need to put new restrictions on this. i mean, it's a really big sea change. originally when conceived, katy, israel was the carrot and ukraine was the more difficult issue to pass on capitol hill when it came to aid, and now they're both incredibly difficult, both fraught with challenges, and again, the timetable is really short. this needs to get done soon especially when it comes to ukraine. >> monica alba, what is the reaction of the white house when you're hearing more moderate democrats speak out? i think what jake said, you can't really overstate what it means when chris coons, senator chris coons comes out and makes a break with precedent on

anything with joe biden and the democrats in terms of policy, foreign policy. the two of them are so closely aligned. senator chris coons is one of president biden's biggest allies and most supportive voices in washington around the country period. >> reporter: absolutely, and one of his greatest confidants. they talk all the time behind the scenes. they are incredibly close. it is a notable moment to see senator coons, though he has been raising that for some time as have other moderate democrats, kind of walking up to this line of, okay, it might soon be time to start conditioning that military aid, but now effectively saying we do need to do that in a more severe manner, but that is why the president says he did come out yesterday and effectively tell prime minister netanyahu this is the sharpest warning i'm going to give you, and if you don't change course we aren't going to be behind you in the same way that we have been. this goes back to joe biden, the man who thinks he has the foreign policy chops that he does for years on israel

thinking that he's right in this position and his approach to israel in that his strategy is the closer you hug israel and keep prime minister netanyahu, the more influence you might be able to have over them, and quite frankly, there's a recognition that that approach is not obviously working and there is this complete pressure that the president is feeling to also push for this cease fire to get the hostages out, and while trying to do all of that, maintain his position that the u.s. is still a staunch ally of israel. he does have all of these people in his ear communicating to this. there is some internal deliberation about all of this as well, even with some of his top aides pointing this out to him. but he's the driver of this strategy, and it will truly only be up to him to say i haven't seen israel do enough, and now we could start to condition some of this military aid, which by the way, katy, it's not like israel really necessarily needs it. they have much of the weaponry that they need to do what they

say they're going to do. so there's also the question of what is the point of continuing to send some of these bombs and to see what potentially down the line could also be sent when it comes to weapons. it's a larger question here for this relationship. >> it could also be a question of how israel has seemed to be allied with the united states and whether if there's a breach in our relationship, whether they might be seen as more vulnerable in what is already a pretty hostile region. monica alba, jake sherman, ashley parker, thank you very much. and we're still waiting on president biden to start speaking on baltimore. we're going to sneak in a quick 90-second break. on the other side if the president hasn't started speaking yet, we're going to talk about what israel is saying, what conclusion they have come to as to how the seven aid workers were killed, who they fired, and what jose andres is saying about that investigation. plus, what caused the empire state building to tweet, i am fine today. a lighter story. >> and what election workers say

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gorani. excuse me, i've got a tickle in my throat. bring us up to speed on what the idf determined? >> reporter: so, katy, essentially they're saying that this was a grave mistake. this isn't something we've heard from the israeli military after previous incidents in which humanitarian aid workers have lost their lives. the u.n. says almost 200 since october 7th. they're saying essentially that after the vehicles left the warehouse where the aide had been unloaded that one of the commanders mistakenly assumed that the gunmen were located in the warehouse and that they were accompanying these vehicles, and that they were hamas terrorists. the forces didn't identify the vehicles, they say, that were clearly labels as we have seen and the video that was released since in the after math of the attack with the logo of the world central kitchen. and following that misidentification, that's when forces open fire, but this is not answering some very, very significant questions, katy.

namely that there were three vehicles and that if one of the individuals was mistakenly identified as a hamas fighter, why continue to target vehicles in which at least six then in that case civilians would have been accompanying this individual that the commanders thought was presenting a threat to the israeli military. the world central kitchen is saying that's not good enough. we need an independent investigation. the idf cannot investigate itself. israel cannot investigate its own actions inside the gaza strip, and this is something that we've heard echoed from other world leaders, including the u.n. secretary general, and including even some allies of israel in the western world saying, look, this cannot happen again, and we need an independent probe into what led to this tragedy, katy. >> listen, they're not the only humanitarian aid workers that have been killed so far in this war as you very well know. they're certainly the most high profile. let me ask you about iran, the

strike on the iranian consulate in syria. iran has been saber rattling, and there has been news out of israel about the potential for something to happen there as a retaliation from iran. what's it like there today, and what are you hearing from officials? >> reporter: well, they've closed or reduced the activity on 28 israeli embassies around the world because of a security threat, and this strike on the damascus-iranian compound in central damascus, it has to be highlighted, this is a civilian, densely populated area in the syrian capital, is something that iran has vowed retaliation for, so we are once again, katy, at this sort of state of heightened tension between iran, its proxies, including hezbollah in the region, and israel with renewed concerns of a wider con

flagration of this conflict. it doesn't appear to me, the leader of the group spoke today that there's real appetite on their end for an all-out war. as we've seen in the past, a miscalculation can lead sometimes to explosion of violence, and that's something that is of great concern to the people of the region, katy. >> are the israelis planning on, certainly is a strong word, are they anticipating that they might end up in beirut themselves, in lebanon themselves, not beirut, in lebanon themselves? >> reporter: well, i think that's kind of one other aspect of that question that we were just discussing about whether or not this becomes a wider conflict. i mean, look, the israeli government and the israeli military is pushing it here. i mean, assassinating seven iranian commanders in the middle of the syrian capital is not

exactly sending a message that they want to deescalate. the big overhanging question here is how does iran now respond? do they do something performative? as they have done in the past. sort of maybe even geared to their domestic audience or do they feel like this is just one step too far and they're going to ratchet up the tension on their end to a similar level in which case then we might see it go further. it's an open question. the hope certainly for the people across the region who have suffered quite a bit over the last year that it won't get to that. again, it's always unpredictable. >> let me ask you about benjamin netanyahu and the support for him. there were giant protests on the street just the other day. have you heard anything in the past couple of days? i know benny gantz, his chief political rival, also in his war cabinet said the elections should be held in september. what's the latest there? >> reporter: well, he's deeply unpopular, still very very

unpopular. a crushing majority of israelis disapprove of benjamin netanyahu. but one thing to underline is that the support for the war itself is also high. in other words, you have kind of this strange cohabitation of two things that are coexisting. on the one hand, disapproval of benjamin netanyahu, but on the other hand, still, even though there's frustration that the hostages, so many of them are still being detained in gaza, there is support for this military action overall. now, benny gantz, of course, you would expect him to want to call for elections, given how popular, his chance, two things, benjamin netanyahu's popularity and support for the war are two things that are coexisting. so it's kind of an interesting picture. but that being said, i should add, the pressure on netanyahu

to do something about getting the hostages out and therefore coming to some sort of agreement for a cease fire, even if it's temporary, is growing. >> hala gorani reporting for us from jerusalem. hala, thank you very much. again, we have our eyes on baltimore. governor wes moore is speaking right now. he'll be introducing president biden any second now. we're going to try to sneak in a quick break to pay some of our bills over here. we'll bust out if the president starts speaking. you know what, we're going to go there right now because it's like governor moore knew we were coming to him. let's listen. [ applause ]. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. please, please, thank you. >> by the way, folks, say to my dad, dad, they're mispronouncing

baltimore. please sit down. the biden family goes all the way back to being watermen in this bay for a long, long time, in the mid 1800s, and my father was born and raised here in baltimore, and there's a strong, strong connection. still have family in the region as well. governor moore, senator cardin, senator van hollen, congressman fumy, mayor scott, county executive johnny oh, i like that. johnny ho ho ho. to all the military members and first responders, most importantly to the people of maryland, i'm here to say your nation has your back and i mean it. your nation has your back. [ applause ] you've got without

exaggeration, one of the finest delegations of the congress of any state in the union, and they know how to get things done, and we're going to get this paid for, aren't we? i was just briefed by the unified commander about the ongoing impact of this tragic collapse of the francis scott key bridge last tuesday. the damage is devastating, and our hearts are still breaking. eight construction workers were under the water when the bridge fell. six lost their lives. most were immigrants, but all were marylanders, hard working, strong, and selfless. after pulling a night shift fixing potholes, they were on a break when the ship struck, just seconds before one of the men named carlos, who was only 24 left a message for his girlfriend, here's what it said. we just poured cement, we're waiting for it to dry, he said. well, all the families and loved ones who are grieving i've come

here to grieve with you. we all are. it's not the same but i know a little bit about what it's like to lose a piece of your soul to get that phone call in the middle of the night, to say family members are gone. i've been there. it feels like a black hole in your chest, you're being sucked in, unable to breathe, the anger, pain, the depth of the loss is so profound, and we know it's hard to believe, you're probably not going to believe me, but i can tell you now from personal experience, the day is going to come when the memory of your loved one as you walk by that park or church or something that you shared together is going to bring a smile to your lips before it brings a tear to your eye. it's going to happen. it's going to take a while, but i promise you it will happen, and that's when you know you're going to be able to make it. i promise you it will come. and our prayers for you is that that time comes sooner than later, but it will come. also never forget the

contributions these men made to this city. we're going to keep working hard to recover each of them. and, you know, my vow is that we will not rest as carlos said, until the cement has dried and the entirety of a new bridge, a new bridge. [ applause ] early this afternoon, we took an aerial tour, a survey of the wreckage, you know, from the air i saw the bridge that's been ripped apart. but here on the ground i see a community that's been pulled together. i want to thank you all, the first responders, the port workers, state and local officials. you sprang into action before dawn, we've been here ever since, and we did talk, i think it was 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. you were out here. you were here. within minutes of the collapse, the u.s. coast guard arrived on the scene. within hours i ordered personnel from the army corps of engineers, the navy, the department of transportation to

assist in every way possible. within a day, we stood up a unified command. in the weeks to come, i want you to know we're going to continue to have your backs, every step of the way, i guarantee it. i guarantee it. first is our priority to reopen the port. it's one of the nation's largest shipping hubs. it's a top port in america, both in importing and exporting of cars and light trucks number one. the impact here has a significant impact everywhere, up and down the coast and around the country. thousands of tons of mangled steel remain lodged in the water, blocking ships from moving in and out of the harbor. i have directed the coast guard, the navy and the army corps of engineers, who are, by the way, the finest engineers in the world, and state officials to work together to help remove this steel as quickly as possible and as safely as possible. so far our team has been able to clear two small channels for

essential ships helping clear the wreckage, and yesterday the army corps announced by the end of april they'll be able to open the third channel for some commercial traffic including car carriers, and by the end of may, we'll open the full channel, the full channel. [ applause ] my task force on supply chain disruption has been able to engage with union, rail, trucking shipping, state and local leaders to minimize the impact on our supply chains. and i'm proud to announce that the federal government will provide over $8 million in grant funds to make the infrastructure improvements at sparrow's point as the only port unaffected by the collapse, which will allow sparrow's point to take on more ships. that's happening now, or will happen shortly. second, we're focused on protecting the workers and businesses. folks, 20,000 jobs depend on this port.

20,000 families depend on this port to buy groceries, to make rent, to pay their bills. today, my administration is announcing the first tranche of dislocated worker grants, fancy phrase, but it's there to make sure it helps create jobs for workers involved in the cleanup of this incident. additional jobs. my small business administration has also issued disaster declaration, which will allow the sba to offer low interest loans for businesses impact the by the collapse to keep things moving. the state, city and county are stepping up in impressive ways to help workers and businesses affected by this disaster. folks we all need to step up, amazon, home depot, domino's, sugar, and many companies rely on this port. and they have committed to keep workers and payrolls and their businesses in baltimore and move as quickly and clearly as

possible to clear the channel. [ applause ] we call on every company at and around the port to do the same thing, the same exact thing, commit to stay. and the customers who use this port. we're coming back. we're coming back soon. folks, finally we're going to move heaven and earth to rebuild this bridge, as rapidly as humanly possible. and we're going to do so with union labor and american steel. [ applause ] for a simple reason, they're the best workers in the world, and that's not hyperbole. every day, over 30,000 vehicles traveled across this bridge, and i was one of those people. i commuted every day from delaware for 36 years to washington, d.c., back and forth, and about 1/4 of that time by automobile. i've been to every part of this port. folks, we now face the question no american should ever have to

ask, how will i get to work, how will i go to school, how will i get to a hospital, response, and response to everyone including congress should be asking only one question, and they're going to be asked by your delegation, how can we help. how can we solve that problem. my administration is committed, absolutely committed to ensuring that the parties responsible for this tragedy pay to repair the damage and be held accountable to the fullest extent the law will allow. but i also want to be clear, we will support maryland and baltimore every step of the way to help you rebuild and maintain all the business and commerce that's here now. [ applause ] as governor can tell you, within hours, we approved $60 million of emergency federal funding. i fully intend, as the governor

knows, to have the federal government cover the cost of building this entire bridge, all of it, all of it. [ applause ] as we've done in other parts of the country in similar circumstances, i stand here, i call on congress to authorize this effort as soon as possible. let me close with this, this port is over 300 years old, as a matter of fact, as i said, my great great grandfather worked here as a waterman in this bay. this port is older than our republic. and it's been through tough, tough times before. during the war of 1812, a young marylander named francis scott key to whom the bridge is named after sat in a boat in this very harbor and he watched, he watched the british troops launch attack after attack on american forces. but as the dawn broke, he saw the american flag still flying. baltimore was still standing. and our nation, as he wrote in

the star spangled banner had made it through a perilous fight. folks, this is going to take time, but governor moore, senator cardin, senator von van hollen, and others are going to rebuild this bridge as rapidly as possible. folks, we're determined to come back even stronger. we're the only nation that's gone through every crisis that we've had and come out stronger than we went in, and we're going to do it here as well. and once more to make this perilous challenge. you know, because we're the united states of america, there's nothing, nothing, nothing, beyond our capacity when we do it together. think about that. remember who we are. we're the united states of america. nothing is beyond our capacity. may god bless you all, and may god protect our troops, our first responders and all of those who gave their selves,

thank you, thank you, thank you [ applause ] thank you [ applause ] . >> president joe biden, a native of the area, going to see the wreckage of the francis scott key bridge and remarking on all the jobs that rely on that bridge, 20,000 jobs in the area trying to urge companies to stay put, to not leave the workers behind. but also using the bully pulpit right there, using his very presence to try to urge congress to take this up when they get back from recess, and to fund the reconstruction of that bridge in full. because it's so necessary for the area. again, 40% of the nation's gdp comes from the tristate area longer than that, from the i-95 corridor. that's included. that bridge is included in that corridor. it matters to get the thing back up and running. it matters to get that port, that channel, that river

reopened to start up the shipping industry once again. let's bring back nbc news who's continue monica alba. what stood out to you? >> reporter: the president there announcing, yes, the port is so critical from a supply chain perspective as well, and that is why they do hope with that limited channel that you could be seeing that function resume by the end of may, if not a little bit sooner, which is of course good news to the economy there and people who are very worried about that kind of potential disruption. he was urging private companies to stay the course. he mentioned that the biden administration is going to be providing these dislocated worker grants to try to support those who right now are not able to work because their businesses have been affected by this tragedy, and then as we have seen the president do many times, he invoked his own personal loss to try to extend to those who lost family members and loved ones in this terrible accident by saying that of course the nation has their back and we'll be with them every

single step of the way. you're right in terms of your call to congress, this is not a done deal. it's not something that is automatic. he has pledged that the federal government is going to pick up the entirety of the bill to rebuild this bridge, but he does need lawmakers to approve that, and there could be some debate as to how to do that. at the same time, the shipping company, there will be questions about whether they may be held liable or responsible for some of it. that litigation could take years and the president is saying we're going to do everything we can in our power now to ensure that this gets on track to be able to rebuild it, and of course the president pledging there to completely rebuild and have a new bridge in saying that there is nothing that the united states, when it comes together, can't do, even though this task is quite daunting in the weeks and months ahead. >> yeah, the analysis is that he can use some emergency funding immediately, but that congress is going to need to step in eventually to get the whole thing funded. monica alba, thank you very much. coming up next, was the 4.7

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news correspondent antonia hylton, i would love to hear it, did you feel this earthquake? >> reporter: oh, i definitely felt the earthquake, katy. i live in an older pre-war brown stone, and that thing was swaying. i had no idea what was going on for a good ten seconds there. and then i actually started to hear some screams because i live right near this playground, and the students here felt it too, and i could hear them all reacting to it. i just spoke to a 4th grade frer from this school here in the williamsburg area, and they all jumped under their desks, until they got instructions that it was all clear. everyone is back to their usual routine. kids are getting picked up by their parents right now. people were shaken for a little bit. i spoke to one resident here who describes seeing her staircase in her building move back and forth, and it made her so nervous, she's not sure she wants to live there anymore. take a listen to one conversation i had with one new yorker. >> i was definitely nervous

because again, i don't know how it feels, so i was nervous about the after shocks and what are, like, the next steps, but in the moment, i seriously thought it was a subway underneath the building. >> reporter: and, katy, an after shock is a real concern. we heard from governor hochul earlier today, they're taking this seriously. her advice to people is to hit the floor, protect your neck and head and to try to hold on to something firm if possible, and right now, we know that emergency management teams, facilities staff for the new york city schools, they are all out right now and just checking on all the buildings. they are visiting fault lines just to make sure that while things seem good right now that they can be certain that there hasn't been major structural damage that could affect new yorkers in the coming days or hours. so, you know, right now, all is good, and people are cracking their jokes, but the officials here are taking it pretty seriously. >> antonia hylton, thank you

very much. and joining us now, san diego state university professor emeritus of geology and author of "natural disaster" pat abbot. i got a call from a lot of california friends and family, including jacob soboroff who works for the network as well, rolling their eyes and mocking the coverage of the new york earthquake because californians are used to so much more. i grew up in los angeles. i was asleep during the 6.7 north ridge quake that destroyed a lot of los angeles. it's a big deal out there. why is it also still a pretty big deal here? 4.7 in the tristate area, we don't get earthquakes here. >> well, you do, but not that often, and not as large as we get out here on the west coast. but, you know, i don't laugh it or think it's at all peculiar that folks react and are shaken up by it. it's intuitive. the solid earth supports me, well, scientifically, the earth is not solid, it's a series of

floating layers, movements are far more common geologically than you would expect and to have your world not behave the way you want it to or think it always does, i think people should be at least interested. hopefully not concerned. hopefully not too worried but at least wanting to understand the phenomena or what's happening on the planet. >> one of the big questions immediately after are not only are these older buildings structurally sound, things aren't built to earthquake code here. a lot of the buildings are brick, and they were built in the 1800s, the kind of thing that would crumble in the face of a larger earthquake. all questions about the subway, is the subway safe to ride on with the potential for after shocks? >> all of those are legitimate concerns. certainly building materials as they age, they get weaker. certainly suspect structures are rigid bricks. in california, you can't build

buildings out of rigid bricks anymore in terms of supporting a load, to avoid these problems, and these older urban areas in the eastern half of the united states, a lot of those buildings give in a really large earthquake, and this was not a really large earthquake, but given a big one, it could be very catastrophic. >> certainly can. what do you tell people to expect in the coming days for after shocks? i mean, we've had a couple. we've had 2.0 after shocks, two of them in the past few hours. should we expect that maybe, god forbid, this was a pre-shock. >> okay. so scientifically, we are totally unable to predict when an earthquake will happen and even this earthquake, we can't say this was the earthquake, there will not be a large after shock, that this has the very slight potential that's it's a fore shock, we wouldn't know.

the records look the same. if this was a fore shock, the big one would come later, we saw ha in japan. not that anything is going to be as big here as there. another way to look at things is you never have just one earthquake. once the stress asks strain have built up in rocks enough that they fracture and move, that transmits more stress to adjoining rocks, causing them to fracture and move, and those ones we call after shocks, as long as they're getting smaller. now typically we're more concerned about the 72 hours following an earthquake. so i would almost anticipate after shocks, a couple of them in the three's, certainly quite a lot of them in the 2s and many in the 1s that you won't feel. after shocks are a sequence that take days or weeks, it's not simply a one-off event. >> pat abbott, thank you very much, and i'll ask you to tell my good friend jacob soboroff out there in california to stop rolling his eyes at us. it's not nice. >> well, actually i was very

very pleased to hear antonia say the school kids dove under their desk. that's what we want. >> that's what you learn in california. you also learn never to put anything above your bed. no art over your bed, no shelves over your bed, god for bid they break and fall on you at night because of an earthquake. food for thought. pat abbott, thank you very much. and what arizona congressman andy bigs and paul gosar are being subpoenaed over. plus, what's making election officials beg the biden administration for help ahead of november? nistration for help ahf november

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so what is she looking into? >> she's looking into the fake elector scheme and you might be asking yourself, why subpoena paul gosar and andy biggs who are members of congress and were not fake electors or what some on the right will call alternate electors, because what communications did they have withth them. the 12 are at the center of the investigation, but the other question is what communications did they have with the trump white house and the trump campaign about what they were going to do on january 6 to protest the certification of electors and to make joe biden the next president. >> could that get them into in some trouble? >> it is not clear what legal exposure they have. and already the speech and debate clause of the constitution, there is immunity for members of congress for things they say in connection with their y role. it doesn't have to be on the floor of the house, but broadly speaking inbu connection with their role as members of congress. >> some lawmakers have been able

to use that to their advantage. or in their defense. i want ton ask you about judge martian here in new york, there is talk of gag orders, and now trump's team is asking for the young to go. what is going on? >> earlier in the week we had a flurry of letters about whether or not they could make a pretrial motion to have the judge taken off the case. the argument is about his daughter, the same daughter who was the subject of the social media posts that led to the expansion of the gag order but the argument o goes that his daughter is a leader of political consulting firm that has done work for the biden-harris campaign and add aim schiff and they have been paid for online solicitations related to the very case that her father is presiding over. that is what today's 37-page motion is about. that must also mean, kati, that

they have begin the trump camp permission. and soon enough we'll see the d.a.'s response. >> in terms of getting a judge removed, i got to ask you again about judge aileen cannon, and the jack smith motion where he said that her judgment, her reasoning was flawed and he used tougher language than that and her response using tough language as well, basically daring him to go after her. how is that settling now two days out? >> i think asking toer refusal of a judge is always a difficult thing to do. but it is easier to do where you could say that the judge or someone they're related to within six degrees has a financial interest in the outcome of the proceeding. that is the argument trump is making. where it is harder is where there is a prejudice, there is a standard that said, if you cou show that jung is prejudice, the judge should go.e the question is has ilene cannon

gone far enough to demonstrate that she's so prejudice against special council that she won't give thehe case a fair shake. >> and she's having day long hearing for other judges would quickly ruleju on, she's taking weeks to rule an owe the hearings and weeks to rule on motions that would otherwise be pretty simple for most judges. she hasn't yet set a trial date and talking about jury instructions before she even sets b a trial date. are theseal actions that are ou of the norm in a way that jack smith's team could argue, listen, either she has no idea what she's doing, or she's trying to delay things in favor of the defendant? >> i'm not aware of any litigant successfully arguing that delay is inng and of itself a form of prejudice against a party. however, if there were a case to be made, this is it. the other question, katy, is who that recusal motion is aimed at.

oftentimes they are aimed at the judge, on theai case, as with t case here in new york, but ilene cannon is not going to want off this case. so question for jack smith's team is can you couple this with some appellate issue to you could bring it to the 11th circuit and say the error in this judgment is one of many things that leads to our demanding herto recusal. >> you could say if the 11th circuit has i prejudice against judge cannon. they've ruled harshry against her in the past. >> panelsin in the past have. one of the great things about a federalat appeals court is ther are multiple judges an they're broking up into three judge panels. not clear that we'll see the same three judges but the last time that she was overruled by the 11th circuit, it was by two trump nominees and one of the most conservative jurists in the country. >> thank you very much. he coming up.

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many tourists are choosing the lone star state over new england for its better weather in april. but this year, they could be battling a little spring gloom. >> it is just bad luck. sometimes you have a bad day and that is the way that it is. >> if clouds are thin, experts say you still have a good view but it is likely some may miss out. >> if it is just a blanket of gray and it is raining constantly, then it is probably going to be very difficult to notice anything. >> reporter: still many americans are hoping for the best. according to air dna, more than half of the nation's cities along the eclipse path are fully booked. the last total solar eclipse in the u.s. was back in 2017. new yorker adam epstein still ecstatic over his trip to watch it alongside family in the middle of the oregon desert. >> it was an emotional

experience. some of us cried. but to be able to be connected and see the universe in a new way. >> more than enough for him to plan his trip for this one in 2024. he's now organized a group of 85 friends and family ranging in age from 7 to 87 for a trip to dallas. where everyone will be crossing fingers mother nature plays along. >> the analogy i give, is that a 90% partial solar eclipse is a young child playing the triangle in the school talent show. it is good. it is fun to watch. but 100% totality, that is taylor swift rocking madison square garden. >> i love that. hey listen, if you're not in the path, come back here on monday we'll do a two-hour special starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern and i'm leading it. we'll show you totality throughout the afternoon. please join us it. it will be fun. don't go anywhere. "deadline: white house" starts