gullah sponsored by an anti- immigration advocacy group featuring several of the key architects of his family separation policy. so, as trump looks to make immigration the central issue of this next election, it's important to remember what america's immigration system really looked like under donald trump, and how much is still left to repair. things like the unsafe open air camps near the southern border were migrants, including children are left in the hot desert for days. last night a federal judge who consistently ruled against the trump administration's treatment of migrants ordered border patrol to try to solve that problem by providing safe and sanitary housing for those migrants. one of the things donald trump might try to do in a second term is shutdown that judges ability to help those migrants. he tried it in his first term and he is bound to try again. that is our show for tonight. now it is time for the last

word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> we have neal katyal here, as quickly as i can i'm going to get out of the way and let them talk. i did want to say one thing about what we just heard donald trump say, calling people animals. the christians in donald trump's rallies, there are many, many christians and those audiences. they cheer every single time donald trump does that. and what they are doing is cheering for a teaching by donald trump that is exactly the opposite of the teaching of jesus christ. i'm going to have something to say about that at the end of this program, using a similar audio from donald trump, and it is beyond the most poisonous stuff we've ever heard from a presidential candidate. >> dehumanizing is the most unholy thing you can do. >> it is. thank you, al

>> donald trump's favorite judge, appointed by donald trump, judge aileen mercedes cannon made legal history today. she became the very first judge ever to deny a trump motion to dismiss criminal charges against donald trump, and not, then, be attacked by donald trump. donald trump did not attack judge cannon. donald trump did not do the social media post with the pictures of judge cannon's children attacking her and her children. donald trump did not attack the judges spouse. donald trump did not attack the judges staff. in fact, donald trump praised the judge today, who denied his motion to dismiss charges. donald trump posted on social media that special counsel jack smith should be sanctioned, or

censured, for the way he is attacking a highly respected judge, aileen canon. donald trump knows that judge cannon was, in effect, forced by jack smith who cornered her legally in a filing on tuesday, that in effect forced her to deny donald trump's months old motion to dismiss the case on the grounds that the presidential records act allows donald trump to do whatever he wants with classified documents that the fbi found in donald trump's position after serving a search warrant at his florida residents. judge cannon wrote today the presidential records act does not provide a pretrial basis to dismiss. the keyword, of course, is pretrial. donald trump knows that judge cannon has reserved the right to dismiss the case on that same basis later in the

proceedings. four to issue a jury instruction in the case. which would order the jury to find donald trump not guilty on the basis of the presidential records act. in anticipation of the possibility that they might act to dismiss the case on the basis of presidential records act, or issue jury instructions to the jury ordering them to find donald trump not guilty, special prosecutor jack smith asked judge cannon to deliver a final ruling on the issue now. so that he can immediately appeal such a ruling to the 11th circuit court of appeals, which has already reversed judge cannon dramatically in this case twice. jack smith wrote, if the court concludes that a president has carte blanche to remove any documents from the white house at the end of his presidency, that any documents so removed must be treated as a personal record under the presidential

records act, as an unreviewable matter of law, and that also, as a matter of law, a former president is forever authorized to possess such a document, regardless of how highly classified it may be, and how it is stored, that would constitute a clearly erroneous jury instruction that entails a high probability of failure of a prosecution. and the government must be provided with an opportunity to seek prompt appellate review. in her ruling today after denying donald trump a pretrial dismissal of the charges, judge cannon said that asking for a ruling now on whether the presidential records act applies in this case would be unprecedented and unjust. leading off our discussion tonight, for five decades, and

neal katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general and professor at georgetown law school. neal is an msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast courtside with neal katyal. professor, let me begin with you. the judge, in her ruling, refers to this as a complex case of first impression. is it a complex case of first impression, and does that explain the judges rulings so far? >> it is not at all complex. i'm not sure what she means of first impression other than that no one has ever tried to use the presidential records act, which was passed after the watergate episode, in order to make sure that all official records of the presidency would go to the national archives.

no one else has tried to use that civil statute as a way of defending themselves against criminal charges. the presidential records act has absolutely nothing to do with the case, but i think you put your finger on it when you notice that she used the word pretrial. when she said that he's not entitled, the special counsel is not entitled to a pretrial ruling on this matter, the pretrial determination, that the presidential records act is inapplicable, what he wants is a determination, period, not a question of pretrial, if she makes that determination once the trial has begun, once the jury is sworn in, once double jeopardy is attached, there

will be no possibility of reviewing what she does. she has essentially said, i'm going to pretend to be ruling against donald trump, and he understands that it's just a pretense, i'm going to pretend to be ruling against him. what i'm really doing is reserving the right to rule in his favor or against him, at a time when nothing can be done about it. she's basically trying to have it both ways. it's too clever by half, when she says the pretrial, the presidential records act provides no basis for pretrial dismissal, she's suggesting that it may provide a basis for dismissal during the trial. that's clearly wrong. that is why it's very clear, now that the 11th circuit has twice, very sharply reversed her, that the time has come for

it to be asked to take her off the case altogether. the best way to do that, although it's possible to seek what's called a writ of mandamus immediately, the best way to do that is to make a motion, now, to take this issue off the table. not to formulate jury instructions in advance, which he's never asked her to do, but to rule now that the presidential records act cannot be a defense to this prosecution. if she rejects that request, a motion in limine. she rejects that request, then jack smith will have done all he could possibly do and no one can blame him for going straight to the 11th circuit. some people, i think, believe he can skip that intermediate step, but since he doesn't know

what a panel of judges will be assigned in the 11th circuit, there are many on that circuit who might be, though not as biased as judge cannon, perhaps inclined to lean in favor of trump, i think the safest course is for him to demand, now, that she take the entire issue of the presidential records act off the table. she says no, he seeks appeal, and either asked that she be recused, or relies depending on the panel on the panel itself deciding. that three strikes is enough. >> we are so lucky to have you both here tonight, both accomplished supreme court practitioners yourselves, having argued dozens of cases, there. neal, having listened to professor tribe, i am now wondering, did judge cannon in fact, by denying donald trump's

dismissal motion, the way she did, did she actually do the best thing she could possibly have done for donald trump at that moment in that one action? >> she didn't do the best thing. lawrence, but she came pretty close. she styles this as a win for the prosecutor, for jack smith, but nobody in the special counsel's office is celebrating tonight, because this order tees up future that she can engage in, in particular she's refusing to give the prosecution a clean order on the presidential records act, which should have been so easy because as larry just said, of course nobody thinks that the presidential records act has anything one whit to do with that. no responsible scholar, or lawyer i think can make that argument with a straight face, and frankly no one has.

so then, the question is what does smith do about it? there's two options for smith. one is, as larry said, to file what's known as a motion in limine and go to the trial court again, and say, please exclude the trial everything about the presidential records act, because it just doesn't apply. the other is to file this piece of paper known as a writ of mandamus, going straight to the court of appeals and saying, this decision is so out of whack that you should just, you should hear the case right away, before the jury gets seated, because once the jury is seated, as larry said, double jeopardy applies. here's where she didn't make the most powerful thing she could have done for president trump. former president trump. she, in her order, went so far as to say she's not going to resolve this question of the presidential records act now, she said it would be

unprecedented and unjust to do that, and she went so far as to say, she won't resolve it, prior to the presentation of trial defenses and evidence. so what that means is that larry tribe's suggestion is futile. jack smith may want to do it anyway, just to check the box, but we know what the result is going to be, the decision today says she's not going to resolve that question until after the trial begins and after the evidence gets heard. by the way, it is so ridiculous for her to call this unjust, when smith was asking for, and unprecedented. remember, she is the one who asked jack smith to opine on the presidential records act. she on her own said this bizarro, two different jury instructions, to both sides and said, comment on them, please, so smith did what he was told, he said what every lawyer

believes, which is the presidential records act has nothing to do with it, and then she calls it unprecedented and unjust. at this point, i've certainly seen enough. i think my guess is the prosecution has seen enough, maybe they'll checkboxes and go with the motion and leblanc, but this is going to the 11th circuit. >> mr. tribe, what about that? is one route more likely than the other? >> i think that even though i completely agree, with neal, that asking her to do what i think she must be asked to do, namely take this off the table, decide now that the presidential records act has nothing to do with it. even though it's futile, sometimes it's important to check a box. despite the fact that you know what is going to happen, the reason it's important is that there are some judges on the 11th circuit who will say she

has not made a clear enough error, the error she made is not an error of omission. she has admitted to rule as he should have ruled definitively, she's had a sword of damocles that she will hang over the prosecution throughout the trial. that she can drop at any time. because the precedents in the 11th circuit leave open the possibility that not having made a definitive ruling now she's not eligible, as the phrase goes, it seems to me that it's sensible to check a box, even though you know it's futile. by the way, it's entirely clear that what she says was unprecedented, and unjust, of

jack smith to ask, is something he never asked. she claims in her three-page opinion that jack smith has unfairly and unprecedentedly demanded that she formulates the jury instructions before the trial has occurred. that would be a bizarre thing to ask. maybe not bizarro, but surly bazaar, but he never asked for it let alone demanded it. what he demanded, and now needs to make clear, is that the presidential records act be eliminated from the case. when she refuses to eliminate it, that will be a definitive action that can be challenged on mandamus. she's awfully good at being as during what conway put it, she is uniquely incompetent but effective. this time, the incompetence overcame the effectiveness, she

was too clever by half, by creating this situation in limbo, she has invited the special counsel to call her bluff, and make her render the ruling, that he can then challenge in the 11th circuit. >> shirley, the argument that professor tribe is making, the argument you are making, are being made in the special counsel's office tonight. is there another argument being made in that office tonight by someone from another tactical perspective, saying no, let's keep going forward, now is not the time to challenge her? >> the funny thing is, professor tribe and i when we were both in the justice department had a similar conversation under not as extreme circumstances about mandamus a particular job here in there, i think you did hear different perspectives about it, but, my guess with the

special counsel's office, there is, there's no two sides to this. what judge cannon has done, here, not just with this ruling today but what she did last year, is such an affront to the rule of justice, that i suspect all their thinking about is what the proper way is to get the issue before the court of appeals. it's important to zoom out for a moment and remind everybody what this case is about. donald trump stole very sensitive, some classified, some unclassified but sensitive national security information. that's the kind of stuff that the justice department prosecutes every day of every week. it not only did that, he then hid the information, he's accused of hiding the information even after the fbi and the national archives asked for it. that's compounding the criminal action.

so, he's not just anyone. he obviously knew would classified information was, he served as the president and the like and he did all of this anyway. we can't tolerate a system like that which is why we lock these people up, and that's what the case is about and donald trump is so afraid to have this case heard before a jury that he's pulling every stunt in the book to delay the trial. and he has someone in judge cannon who has been, so far, receptive to that. my hope is this moves to the court of appeals quickly and they do what they did last time. >> neal katyal and professor laurence tribe, we couldn't have better analysis of this crucial situation in this case. really appreciate you both being able to join us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, simon rosenberg has been discovered, the new york times published an article under the headline many democrats are worried trump will beat biden, this one isn't. if you've been listening to simon rosenberg on this program, there is nothing in that new york times article that you don't already know.

simon rosenberg has more to say. simon rosenberg joins us, next.

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the group will not nominate a third party presidential candidate this year. the wall street journal reports that the announcement represented an implosion of the group's ambitious plans to unleash a budget of $70 million toward ballot access and then establish a ticket. that could serve as an alternative to president biden and former president donald trump. no labels couldn't convince any prominent leaders to mount a challenge. vice president kamala harris made her fourth trip to north carolina this year, which our next guest says is the democrats most important 2020 battleground expansion state. >> since taking office the president and i have made an incredible investment, the largest investment ever, to take on the climate crisis. rush lee $1 trillion, with a t, i had to.

over the next 10 years. that investment, to create millions of jobs, to provide billions of dollars of clean energy, money and investment to small businesses around burners, to lower monthly energy bills for families across our nation, i fought for years with so many of you, we have fought together shoulder to shoulder, to expand access to capital for every community. >> in charlotte north carolina today, vice president harris opened one of the 10 new campaign field offices in the state, the north carolina democratic party is out fundraising the north carolina republican party so far this election cycle, north carolina public radio reports, as of the latest campaign finance reports into break, the north carolina democratic party had $2.4 million on hand while the north

carolina republican party had $871,000. the last democratic presidential candidate to win north carolina was barack obama in 2008. four years ago joe biden lost north carolina by just 1.3%. in an interview with the new york times, titled many democrats are worried trump will beat biden. this one isn't. simon rosenberg says we are quietly confident in the grand scope of things, we can handle this, we can win the election, joining us now is optimist simon rosenberg, democratic strategist and author of opium chronicles on sub stack. thank you very much for joining us tonight, i know there's going to be many more demands for your time, the new york times has discovered you. i want to go back to this news media, that has delivered to us for over a year.

that america doesn't want the same candidates, doesn't want biden versus trump, doesn't want biden, doesn't want trump, doesn't want biden, and all the speculation about democrats who could challenge joe biden for the democratic nomination, every single one of those evaporated, none of them wanted to do it, none of them wanted to join the no labels crusade to try to destroy this two party grip on this process. and that is largely because, among other things, joe biden is such a strong candidate. none of them would dare to take him off. >> joe biden is a good president. the country is better off, the democratic party is unified strong and winning elections across the country. look what happened, dark brandon if you want to use that term, robert kennedy ran in the democratic primary and had to

leave. dean phillips got in, and he had a failure to launch. he never got off the ground, now we have this no labels thing crashing and burning. it's because joe biden, democrats are behind this guy.'s approval rating is 80%, there has been, he's been raising tons of money, we've performed well in these primaries, when he had to. the party is strong right now. we're unified, the contrast between what is happening on our side and what's happening on the republican side is extraordinary. donald trump has an unprecedented opposition against him happening on the republican side. mitt romney, liz cheney, go down the list, all the people that used to work for him are openly saying that republicans shouldn't vote for him. you and i have never seen anything like this in the time that we've been in the business, and in the contrast between unified strong party behind a successful president,

and this unbelievable dumpster fire happening on the other side, as i say, donald trump is the ugliest political thing that any of us have seen in our lifetime. the republicans are spitting the bit on him in ways that will be deeply important as we go deeper into the general election. >> no members of the biden administration have left the administration and are out there saying, you absolutely must not vote for joe biden for president. because dozens from the trump administration. i want to show president biden and bernie sanders, a video here, because this once represented the two edges of the democratic party. and now you can't find any space between them. this is a demonstration of how unified the democratic party is, let's listen to this. >> politicians have been talking about the high cost of prescription drugs for years,

including the. a lot of talk, but no real progress. the drug companies continued to go along their merry way, and raise prices anytime they wanted to any level that they wanted, for any reason that they wanted. >> you and i have been fighting this for 25 years. finally, we beat big pharma, finally. >> and he's absolutely right, it has been a 25 year fight. >> look, i think this was a really important clip to show, and it's a sign of the unity of the democratic party. last week, joe biden was with barack obama, this week sees with bernie sanders, part of what they're doing, they're showing that the party is rallying behind him. we are strong, we are coming together, we're getting ready for this battle. on the other side as we went

through earlier, you are seeing unprecedented splintering, and infighting and discussed, with their historically awful nominee. so i think the biden world is doing this purposefully. they're demonstrating that the team is coming together, we're getting ready to fight this battle, this consequential battle for the future of our democracy, and he's exhibiting, again, strong and powerful leadership, every day. we are in good shape. we should win this election. we have a good leader. the party is unified. and the conceit that's happening in the national media where they have to treat trump like a serious presidential candidate instead of the ugliest thing we've ever seen, that's beginning to wear away. you can feel it in national media coverage that the absurdity of the current trump campaign is starting to bleed into the daily coverage. they can't raise money, the rnc is in terrible shape, republicans are abandoning ship. you and i have been doing this

a long time, we've never seen anything like what we are seeing with the current republican party. >> i have not been doing this which is campaign analysis with your expertise, at any level, for any period of time. you are guiding me through this. simon rosenberg, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, president biden will meet with the families of the immigrant workers who were killed when the francis scott key bridge in baltimore collapsed. donald trump says that they are not people. our next guest comes from a family of immigrants, who donald trump claims are poisoning the blood of this country. tom perez, senior adviser to president biden, who visited with those workers families, joins us, next. next. joying he. we texted her when we were on our way. and she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: we came to her with service that fit her schedule.

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president biden is going to meet tomorrow with the families of the six men who were killed when the francis scott key bridge collapsed. donald trump says that they are not people. donald trump says they are animals. >> if you call them people, i don't know if you call the people, in some cases they're not people. these are animals, okay? >> every trump supporting christian knows that donald

trump's belief that immigrants are not people is the exact opposite of what jesus christ said about all people. donald trump defies what are supposed to be the beliefs of his christian audiences. by declaring people to be animals, and his audiences clap for that. donald trump's christian audiences love it. every single time donald trump openly and loudly and profanely defies the teachings of jesus christ. our next guest, tom perez, has poisoned the blood of america by his very existence, according to donald trump. his father, dr. rafael antonio perez, left the dominican republic and earn his citizenship after enlisting in the united states army as a

physician after world war ii. his father died of a heart attack when tom perez was just 12 years old.'s mother, grace arrived in the united states from the dominican republic in the 1930s as a little girl. tom perez graduated from harvard law school, and became the 26th secretary of labor, serving in the obama administration. the day after the francis scott key bridge in baltimore collapsed, tom perez drove to baltimore, to meet with the families of the men who were killed in the middle of the night when they were trying to make their families lives better, and to make our lives a little better, to literally smooth the road of our lives by filling potholes on that bridge. six men fell to their deaths in the cold water under that bridge. 35-year-old alejandra hernandez fuentes was from mexico.

26-year-old dorian castille cabrera, and 35-year-old jose lopez were from guatemala. 38-year-old mainer suazo was from honduras. 49-year-old luna was from el salvador. philadelphia inquiry columnist, who joined us on this program on monday night, wrote, last week, these six workers who perished were not poisoning the blood of our country. they were replenishing it. this is a moment of clarity, when we need to reject the national disease of xenophobia and restore our faith in the united states as a deacon for the best people, they may have been born all over the continent, but when these men

plunged into our waters on tuesday, they died as americans. joining our discussion now is tom perez, senior adviser and assistant to president biden. thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. what was it like for you that day when you drove up to baltimore to meet with those families? >> it was gut wrenching, lawrence. the family speaks only spanish. we had a conversation in spanish, and i kept asking, what can we do? when i talked to the president about what happened his first concern was with the family. he is no stranger to tragedy, especially sudden tragedy. so, the thing they kept saying over and over again, which in spanish is, i want my husband's body, i need the body.

they were, these six men, they were hard-working, they were father's. they were sons, they were husbands, they were soccer lovers, they were churchgoing, they were god-fearing. they did work that very few people will do at 1:45 in the morning. so that people could have a better commute, and because of that, we violated the fundamental right you have in a workplace, which is to come home at night. it was profoundly sad. mr. fuentes is the father of four, so many people leave so many kids, and so many people, so many of the victims were sending money home as well. we have people suffering here, and relatives suffering at home. it was heart wrenching. i can't describe it any other way.

but you know what, the president said, i want them to know that they mattered. that their lives mattered, that immigrants matter, and that's why he's going tomorrow, because he wants to tell them that himself. >> as you know, secretary of labor, you don't have to be a secretary of labor to know this basic information. if you look at any of the great monumental bridges in this country, the brooklyn bridge of the golden gate bridge, the holland tunnel, lincoln tunnels, all built by immigrant labor. all of them. the key bridge will be rebuilt with immigrant labor. not exclusively immigrant labor but a lot of immigrant labor. it will be maintained by immigrant labor. that's how we have these creations in our transportation system, and it's something we should all remember every time we're driving over one of those or going through one of those tunnels. >> absolutely. it will be built by union labor, union immigrant labor.

and when i was working on tps issues, as labor secretary, you know who was one of my stronger supporters? the bricklayers union. so many immigrants came to this country, and not only helped build america, but helped build bridges of opportunity for their own families. 25% of construction workers are immigrants. predominantly, the lion's share our latinos. you look at the healthcare sector, same thing. 20% of the u.s. workforce are immigrants. it's not only home health workers, it's nih researchers. where would our nation be without immigrants? we would be nowhere. immigrants have always enriched our nation, and the danger of this moment right now, lawrence, you've spoken about it eloquently. our rich immigrant tradition was also, for most of our

history, a bipartisan tradition. when i worked in the u.s. senate in 1996, the last time we had immigration reform i worked for ted kennedy, ted kennedy, joe biden, patrick leahy, mike dewine from ohio, the republican governor. he was a champion of asylum reform. we came together when there was problems in the senate version of that bill, you know what governor came to our rescue to help us? a guy named george w. bush. we've had this long bipartisan history, but we've also got to recognize our history. we've had moments of isolationism, moments of nativism. the know nothing movement of the mid-19th century. the chinese exclusion act. so many other moments where we had people saying, immigrants are vermin, and we know all the things that a certain candidate

has said. we know how wrong they are. we know how inconsistent they are. i was raised catholic. matthew 25 tells me, i think i'm not the only person who it teaches, when you have a stranger among you, you welcome them. when you have immigrants among you, you welcome them. when someone is hungry, you feed them. that's a tradition and not just christianity but for people who don't come from a faith tradition. i think that is who we are. we have to understand right now that we have other forces at work. that's why it's so important for the president to be there tomorrow, because he will see to these families, you matter. he said in the state of the union, i will never separate immigrant families. we are a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. we almost all came from somewhere else, but we're all american. these six heroes who passed away, their kids are every bit

as american as my three u.s.- born kids, and we have to honor them. the best way to honor them is to get past this nasty, poisonous rhetoric, and recognize that we are a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. >> how do you think your father would feel to hear donald trump say that he came to this country, and he poisoned the blood of this country by bringing you to life in this country. >> you know what my father would say? don't get mad, get to the polls. that's what he would say. he would remind donald trump that not only did he serve the united states army, when he was not yet a citizen, but his four brothers in law served as part of america's greatest generation in world war ii, as immigrants. >> tom perez, thank you very much for joining us tonight,

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ensuring the security of those who provide its. israel must meet this moment. with regard to our policy in gaza, just say this. if we don't see the changes that we need to see, there will be changes in our own policy. >> secretary of state antony blinken revealed some of what barb president biden said today in a 30 minute phone call with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> he underscored that an immediate cease-fire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians and he urged prime minister netanyahu to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home. >> joining us now, peter barnhart professor of journalism and political science at the city university of new york. and msnbc political analyst, and after that phone call, we got the word that israel has made, made a commitment to open

the port for the elect direct delivery of assistance into gaza and possibly other avenues of assistance into gaza. some movement today. >> yes, for a very long time joe biden has been asking benjamin netanyahu to change his policy. this is a policy that has led to roughly 11,000 children in gaza dead, and benjamin netanyahu has not listen to him because benjamin netanyahu doesn't listen to american presidents when they asked him. he has his own imperative. but when joe biden put the question of u.s. leverage, u.s. military aid on the table, all of a sudden, something changed. that's the fundamental difference. if you want israeli policy to change, you have to go back to the things that u.s. presidents did all the time during the cold war. this was not a radical thing during the cold war that the u.s. would use its military aid

vis-@-vis israel like it would with other countries, to express its dissatisfaction when israel was doing things with which it fundamentally disagreed. i'm sorry it took joe biden so long to get back to that principal. >> you hear antony blinken saying, if we don't see the changes that we need to see, there'll be changes in our own policy. that's a very big move for the secretary himself. >> it is a big move, but it's the right move. the united states cannot continue to be complicit in what is going down as one of the greatest human made famines of our time. it can't be complicit in a war that has destroyed all of gaza's universities and most of its hospitals. i recently saw a statistic that said if the war ended tomorrow and gaza returned to its growth rate before october 7th, it would regain its economic standing in 2092.

this isn't good for israel's safety, it will produce enormous amounts of israeli hatred of israel, and is producing a tremendous amount of hatred of the united states. i'm glad the biden administration is realizing that. >> does this put pressure on netanyahu from within israel? >> yes, benjamin netanyahu was always told israelis they could have their cake and eat it too. they could do whatever they wanted to the palestinians and it would never jeopardize the relationship with the united states. once you prove that that's wrong, and israelis see that netanyahu is jeopardizing israel's relationships with its most important partner, that empowers his political adversaries. i think that we are closer, now, to the post-netanyahu era than we were yesterday. >> peter barnett, thank you for joining us on this important story tonight. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.

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