get started for $49.99 a month plus ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. don't wait- call today. thank you so much for letting us into your homes. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. our top story right now is the diverging paths in accountability for donald trump's failed coup and insurrection. that includes some bad news for trump in the rico case today, where he just lot an effort to

dismiss it. a judge rejecting the biczar legal claim that indicted crimes okay because that was his free speech. the first amendment does that approach threats and others. it does show how, on one path in the courts there are tough prosecutions and punishments for the coup. it's a court process that's escalated over time an the doj with us initially slow to go up the line -- that's not the right image -- i'll show you that headline in a few minutes. initially you had all of the efforts around jan 6th slowed

down and delayed. they didn't even open up an investigation into the leader for over a year. that was until jack smith took over. when jack smith took over the doj, then you had, of course, an acceleration of that process. we have all lived through that. first there was an effort to get the top people who physically invaded the capitol, many of them are now in prison and some trump aides are now convicted. we couldn't say that this time last year there's a huge process on the legal track, even as the current speaker of the house goes farther, well, than any probably since the civil war to openly embrace convicted seditionists. that's the other path. a congress siding with convicts who invaded congress.

we'll cover that part of the path in a moment. here's the point i want to make in our special report opening the program tonight. the wheels of justice are moving forward. after a slow start, we seeing a lot of accountability on the legal path to deal with the insurrection it starts very simple. we're going to fill up this chart over time. it starts at the very top of this chart. after a slow start, the first conviction came about a year after the 2021 january 6th attack. in march, 2022, a convicted attacker got a stern seven-year prison sentence. that was the first time anyone was sent to prison for that. in the next year, top aides and lawyers for trump were indicted. some were outraged, others folded and pled guilty.

>> if i knew what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump. i look back with deep recourse. >> hand cuffs, they put me in leg irons. >> are you pleading guilty today because you agree there's enough facts that support this plea of guilty? >> i do. >> how do you plead to count 15. >> guilty. so the courts went, as i mentioned, from nothing to slow to tough, working their way up the line over the years. then, as everyone knows, trump was indicted for january 6th conduct in two different jurisdictions. >> the attack on our nation's capital on january 6th was fueled by lies. lies by the defendant, targeted at obstructing a bedrock

function of the u.s. government. >> that accountability has continued on the legal track. mr. navarro is now very recently began serving a prison sentence after being convicted for hiding evidence about january 6th. on the far right, you see the running count, 450-plus convictions for people who attacked the capitol that day. that accountability is grinding on, even if people are used to the talking points oar memory of initially starting slow. these are celebritied key points. this chart doesn't even include other measures, like the painful defamation victory against giuliani, and all the trump lawyers facing disbarment proceedings which could end their career. so, after the slow start, you have the legal accountability for the coup. you have people now in trouble

or in jail because they were trespassers or plotters or thugs attacking police, or lawyers hiding evidence, so the consequences and penalties from left to right over time have only gotten more real and severe for these people. that matters. especially as a deterrence for future coup plotters. let's put that back up on the screen. this matters, has legal accountability. we're seeing an opposite trend in corning, where republican leaders, this is how they first sounded. >> this failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our republic. >> violence, destruction we saw was unacceptable, undemocratic and un-american.

the capitol was in chaos. police officers were attacked. guns were drawn on this very floor. a woman tragically lost her life. no one wins when this building and what it stands for are destroyed. >> now, that's how it started. you might notice there are some top republicans sounding emphatic. that was back when, in public, kevin mccarthy sounded like liz cheney. i told you tonight we would walk through the two paths. now i want to do the same thing and walk through our new reporting based on all the evidence of the political path. it began with republicans condemning the obvious crime spree. what you see on the lower left is marking that over time. that's a quote from then from republican leader kevin mccarthy. democrats, of course, joined in the condemnation. they have stood by it through

today. what is different, what we're charting here is how republicans went over time from calling it up acceptable to going soft on crime and the insurrection. within a year, the national party formally declared that it claimed january 6th was, quote, legitimate political discourse. when that happened, that drew outrage over that lie, an effort to embrace and defend convicted seditionists and trespassers. hard to imagine in al qaeda or isis stormed the capitol that a year or two later you would have one political calling it discourse. republicans rejected the chance to -- or follow, say, the precedent of a 9/11 investigation. instead they ousted the party members who stood up. they excommunicated people like liz cheney and congressman adam

kinzinger. seen enough, the legislator who replaced kevin mccarthy, got himself in a scandal saying he would blur the face from doj. he backtracked on that, but went on to defend them as, quote, innocent. this week, which is why this is back in the news, johnson falsely claimed those people who stormed the barricades and clashed with police to get in were somehow innocent. he said others walking through the capitol just ended up is there. he knows that claim is false, because it wasn't open that day. so, mike johnson went from just pushing, however misleading, it is an activity you can legally engage in. you're allowed to file losing lawsuits, but he went from there to well beyond that last speaker to make an open common caution

with the attackers. >> i made a commitment immediately after i got the gavel, we would start releasing that. originally we started trying to blur faces to protect the insteads, people who happened to be walking through the building. >> again, you might not want to spend all your time in a country where you have to compare kevin mccarthy as the standard and mike johnson as below it, but this is why i'm showing you, as the legal on the top lane increases, on the bottom lane you go from a speaker calling it un-american, to a party calling it legitimate, to a new speaker declares them, quote, innocent. on the very right-hand corner, you have the party again, all these reports that their

screening involve only taking election deniers only. help wanted, but only election deniers only. you may know several of these different points. we put them together this way on top of speaker johnson's outrageous and false claims to chart why the legal and political are taking such disparate paths, and what that means for america and the coming accountability election. i think we have a pretty good guest to respond. michael steele has run the party that's doing some of these things. we'll get into it in 90 seconds. 90 seconds. ahhh, there's nothing like a day out with friends. that's nice, but shingles doesn't care! 99% of adults 50 years or older

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what the now speaker of the republican party said this week, outrageous, as i mentioned, is a way to classify it, it's also flatly false, which he knows, and which he colleagues on the record shows, so it continues to be a divergence and warming to convicted seditionists, even as the court of accountability -- so that's a report tonight. i wanted your response and breakdown tonight. if you believe in accountability, the top of the chart is good news, the bottom is bad news. a as i mentioned, i would want a more bipartisan approach. >> i think this was a wonderful illustration for your audience, and really for all of us to take

a look at not just the divergence, but that political line, what it really is saying. the stranglehold over time that donald trump has had on this party, how in that moment, on january 7th, 8th, 9th you had republicans speaking with conviction, all right, about that moment. being honest, okay, in that moment. but then donald trump putting his hand around their throat and collectively choking them all off, starting with that infamous, you know, drive-by by mccarthy going down to mar-a-lago to bend the knee, kiss the ring, and anything else you could find in the room. in reality, that was the beginning of the slide if you look at that chart. in that moment, when you then speaker said, you know what?

we value the party politics more than the country and what the country has just gone through, and that the man who is the orchestrator, the architect of this, is more important to my political survival than the country surviving him. so, that graph is a good illustration of how the judicial and criminal process moved, some of us frustratingly lamenting how slow it seemed to move at times, but it moved nonetheless, and appropriately adjudicated those who were brought to be held accountable. meanwhile, politically, those very same people were not being held accountable. they were on the immediate aftermath, but by the time you get to the point where the national party is hiring election deniers only, you

realize, hmm, not only did they get on that slippery slope, they slid the hell all the way off of it, and now they're finding themselves in a political wasteland going into this election, because the more and more these trials play out, ari, and the convictions come in, or whatever the consequences may be, it really puts the light on the shame of the political process. >> yeah. that's a divergence that want automatic. again, there's people who say they didn't like kevin mccarthy's ideology, fine, but if he held the line, if he didn't waffle, it if he sounded then like he does now, he would be on the way to liz cheney, at least on this specific issue. last night, for the first time, we aired karl rove, top bush guy, very conservative, started to make headlines, because he told me, basically he saw donald

trump as wrong on the pardoning of jan 6, floating that. "the new republic" has a new piece out on this. here's a shorter version of some of what he told us. >> what those people did, when they violently attacked the capitol in order to stop a constitutionally mandated meeting of the congress to accept the results of the electoral college is a stain on our history, and every one of those [ bleep ] did that, we ought to find them, try them and send them to jail. one of critical mistakes made in this campaign is donald trump has now said i'm going to pardon those people because they're hostages. no, they're not, they're thugs. >> you're not running any quotes from reince priebus. >> i did, but they sounded different. >> that's my point. yeah, some people still have a

grip. the reality is what karl rove has said. i take exception with the headline with the quote, you know, i don't know for the life of me why republicans would do this. he knows and i know why. they would do it, because they have made a political calculation that authoritarianism, leaning into this rogue kind of unhinge the populism does a couple things. it solidifies a lot on a base that they have told repeatedly and consistently that their angry and -- about everything, and allows them to grift as much as they can, and the top donors who can't find their keys, let alone their conviction, when it comes to staying true to the things that they have donated to the party for over the years. that's the play here.

at the end of the day, this is not about a once proud party reorienting itself as karl and myself and others have been trying to argue it should, to the moorings of reagan, eisenhower and the bushes, but real continues to play in this lane where the lights are going out election by election by election. the biggest light of them all goes out this november, when the country says no mas. >> you're right. you might be right. i want mas, okay? quiero mas. michael steele. i want more michael steele. you agreed to stay with me. we have an rnc chair and dnc chair, howard dean. the two chairs together when we come back. ard dean the two chairs together when we come back. there are places you'd like to be.

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one of the critical mistakes made in this campaign is donald trump said i'm going to pardon those people because they're hostages. no, they're not, they're thus. >> adolf hitler was not interested in democracy, neither is donald trump, and neither are his supporter. we're about to find out if america is truly the home of the brave and land of the free, or are we skullicing around so they can cling to power.

the power will be short-lived. the problem is they'll bring the country down with him. >> i'm not too worried about biden. i think he will win. i think the majority of people are not as big sellouts as the republican party is, but i think there will be a new party that will emerge from the ashes. i've worried with a lot of conservatives. that's the kind of conservative we want. we do need a voice about self-determination, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. i don't think those folks are always right, but that's a voice that's important. that's not the voice of the republicans. they just are thugs that want power, and exploiting a bunch of people who have a lot of

grievances and aren't willing to do much about it themselves. >> howard, i'm curious what you think about what is an unusual divergence. if you look at the democratic party, its not immune to corruption or crime. >> right. >> there are people who have been prosecuted. if you look at, say, blagojevich, who some remember, he was trying to abuse power to sell what was then senator obama's seat. most of the people said, we don't want that and turned on him. bob menendez beat a case, but is now facing pretty heavy evidence on a second go-around. already, though he's entitled to go through that process, democrats who serve with him and in his home state are already saying, the evidence is bad. if it keeps going, they're not

standing by him. nixon eventually lost the party again pre-conviction. what do you seeing, as i put up the chart again, the legal path above, consequences, but on the republican political path below, they go from calling it un-american to saying, actually if you can't agree with the lie about trump when he actually lost, election deniers only, you can't even work in the party. what do you see in that difference? their only loyalty is to their own power. whoever thought the republican party would side with a murderer of dissidents about vladimir putin over people who are fighting for their lives and

fighting for their country, which is ukraine. this has turned on its head. this is like one of those things where left and right are so far around the bend that they seem to be united. the far, far left liked putin. why? because they're authoritarian, too, just as lennen and stalin were. these right-wingers, including trump are more like lenin and stalin. >> i think what howard lays on out is true, even what he said about principal conservatives. there had a lot more out here whose voices have largely been silentensed, and hit with the

moniker rino. there's a reason why, you know, what howard and i are talking about, particular in the course of the next few months in this election, there's a lot of republicans sitting in the house, sitting in the senate that i know howard has had conversations with, i've had conversations with, ari, you've had folks on your show that had the same conversations, you guys are right -- >> i tell viewers that all the time. we hear it all the time. >> all the time. i want america to know, this is not we're not the only ones screaming at the wind. we know there's a lot of people behind the curtain, in the quiet corners of the room who are afraid to come out. >> that's right. one more thing, michael.

>> that's going to be a big part of what comes next. one more thing. they say a great deejay doesn't take requests. you requested reince priebus on that same interview, here you go. >> and you think that trump being found guilty by the attorney general's investigation in new york is going to sway the independent voters in wisconsin and pennsylvania and north carolina? good luck, because i don't think it is. 30 seconds, michael. >> shut the hell up! you talk about -- he just told you i don't think it is. objective evidence would say otherwise. you have a little thing called 2018, '19, '20, '21, '22, '23. yeah, i would sake that bet. >> there you go. if i can get him on here, we would love to have you here

together. >> okay. good luck with that. michael steele, and howard deane, thank you to both of you. coming up, barack obama has a favorite -- we have something special we'll get into including our collective nuclear safety. we will be covering it. first, next we're going to look at the women standing up and fighting in court and putting themselves on the ballot to address abortion bans. that's next. bans that's next.

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. turning to an important story, the ongoing backlash to these republican abortion bans. many voters are showing signs this could be what upends the november election. women are taking their resistance to court, one of the members of this new suit is ali phillips. she told us about this on "the beat." >> being told by my doctor that i couldn't get the health care i needed here, and have to look out of state was that gut punch

of, like, are you serious? this isn't viable. it should fall under the save the life of the mother, should it not this. >> abortion rights and these protections have been a big deal in every facet of american life. if you follow the news, you probably know what i'm talking about, from protests, culture, to the ballot box. initiatives will be on the ballot in a dozen or more states this november, which means while some people are talking about trump or biden, or why both, there's a lot of people saying, forget those guys, you turn out and vote for this. this could matter for decades to come. now, you might say, okay, ari, is that just a perspective of the candidate we just heard, who is running on the liberal more side of thinks things? not necessarily. here is sean hannity saying he

looked at the issues, and on the politics, separate from the substance and policy, hannity says republicans will lose if they continue to run on these sweeping total abortion bans. >> political where a politician needs to be, i would say the dobbs decision of 15 weeks, that's where the country is. if republican politicians don't understand that, then -- and they run on that, they're going tore their asses kicked and they're going to lose. >> why does he think that? if he has access to all the republicans in private and they're not listening, why is he going public? maybe it's because he understands the electorate, and that this alone, according to manity, a sweeping ban, early ban, like what florida is doing, could cost trump or any

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hermes store to see if we can try to get her to sell us. and she said we haven't received anything from hermes from the holidays. they must hate you. if your branch hasn't -- cheer selling shoes, wallets. it's the bag. >> do you have any of these products. >> i have hermes stuff, and my females have bags. >> you have to buy the stuff from them. they have a they have the -- >> you have to buy stuff to be able to buy the expensive bag? >> when you go into hermes, they have your name, let's sayjackie smith. we sold her one -- not -- a -- she will buy the -- it's a --

>> i have a question for you. you strike me as an intelligent person. does this sound like a real valuable thing? does it sound like creating the illusion of scarcity to then sell an overpriced product? >> it sounds like the illusion of scarcity to me. can i actually advertise some of my hermes swag? yes, especially two vintage her hermes ties. the ties have the monkeys barely staying out of the alligator mouth. >> it's wild. it's interesting. they say fashion is art. i say, is it? what's on your fallback list? >> i think it's time that people fall back from the old joke about fusion is 50 years away and always will be. right now, we have $6 billion of

private capital going into fusion. i think we're going to have the answer probably positively about whether that dog hunts in this decade. >> what is fusion? why a person should care if they're not in the field. >> fusion is making nuclear energy but not the way we make it today. today, we do it by splitting uranium. with fusion, you take light things like hydrogen and you make it really hot so they go really fast. they come together. something they don't like to do. when they do that, they release enormous energy. this would have benefits of today's nuclear power, no carbon, no radioactive stuff you have to manage for a long time. something very important. there's no public safety risk. consequently, you could site it anywhere, like next to those giant data centers that are proliferating everywhere these

days. >> no waste? >> there's no so-called high-level waste. you irradiate some walls in the usual approach. nothing significant. >> what a great question that was. >> just need one. >> where am i popping in here? i got nothing for this. i barely got through "oppenheimer." >> if you are at a dinner party and two doctors are talking to each other. the level is up here. >> can i say -- >> i will show you -- he didn't know this. i want to ask about that. tell us about the film. as a nuclear physicist, this is your thing. >> i think it's a film about consequences. "oppenheimer" raises incredible ethical dilemmas, moral

dilemmas. >> as a nuclear physicist and energy secretary, what did you think of the film? how has it affected your life? >> the film was very, very effective. obviously, it won awards. from the professional point of view, if you like, i think the film -- we worked hard on this as well to help. the film, i think, brought the hollywood creative people focusing on the issue of nuclear weapons and not history. "oppenheimer" is history. "oppenheimer" warnings, about we don't want arms races, giants weapons. we have them today. we made progress, but we have

13,000 nuclear weapons. we have unstable places. we have risks of terrorists. we have risks of accidents. we are seeing with ukraine and other -- north korea, et cetera, we are seeing a return of the possibility of deliberate use, which is all very, very scary. we think we gotta get the public understanding that they have -- they have influence. first, they have to understand the issue. i think "oppenheimer" was a great service in doing that. >> fusion can save us. be careful with enthusiastic yard weapons. protect the almosts. >> comedy is the answer to all of this. laugh. >> laugh together. come together and laugh. there we are. wonderful panel. i hope you come back. we'll be right back. ♪ i am, said i ♪

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