politics, or tell those kids to vote a particular way. when you see who they associate with, you do start to raise questions. last summer, they had a teacher summit. and a group that many of your viewers would be familiar with. we talked about it a few times. they are really far right christian organization that supported and funded this event. then you see the founder go on a program. you know, you start to see that political association. >> you see the roots, or maybe the treetops this is all going and coming from. amazing reporter, antonia hilton. that is our show for this evening. now it is time for the last word. good evening. >> absolutely amazing reporting. alex, you have a great evening. >> it was only a couple weeks ago that donald trump supporters told us not to believe our lying ears when donald trump said this.

>> we will put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line. and you would not be able to sell those. if i get elected. now if i don't, it is going to be a bloodbath. that will be the least of it. it will be a bloodbath for the country. that will be the least of it. they are not going to sell those cars. >> relax. he wasn't talking about a bloodbath bloodbath, he was talking about a bloodbath for the country involving the auto industry. trump allies told us that. political analyst told us that. even some journalists told us that. okay, so he was referring to cars yesterday. are was he? bearing the words, stop the biden bloodbath. it was during those remarks that he claimed he spoke with the family of a murder victim named ruby garcia, a 25-year- old woman who was allegedly killed by an undocumented woman, except he did it. he did not speak with any of us,

ruby sister said in an interview. it is kind of shocking saying he had said he had spoken with us, misinforming people on live tv. reported when asked to confirm if he had indeed spoken with the member of the family, the trump campaign declined to comment on the record. this specific deception feeds into the violent, dehumanizing way he uses the issue of immigration to try to terrorize his way back to the oval office. he wants you to believe that we live in a violent, treacherous nation, where his political rivals are vermin, and he alone, as he says it, stands between you and an invasion of animals, also his words, at the border. this playbook is tried and true the world over. it depends on people not raiding history and knowing that this dupe has been tried and has worked masterfully before.

forget about that for a moment. let's rewind it to what he said about immigrants in this country in december. >> you know, i think the real number is 15, 16 million people in our country. we've got a lot of work to do. they are poisoning the blood of our country. >> you've heard plenty of people tell you that he was echoing the words of adolf hitler there. maybe you don't believe that. maybe think it is just a coincidence that he used the phrase, poisoning the blood of our country. for educational purposes, the university of oklahoma has available online an english language translation of the 11th chapter of his book. remember, he said people emigrating into the united states were poisoning the blood of our country. in chapter 11, titled, nation and race. hitler wrote, quote, all great cultures of the past parish

only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning. in a softball right-wing radio interview, he was confronted about this. he said, quote, i never knew you said it. i'm not a student of hitler. i never read his works,end quote. now remember, he has not shied away from seeing great things. he said hungary's despotic leader is fantastic. he called north korea's murderous dictator very honorable. trump through the entire western alliance into a tail spin. as president of the united states of america, he denigrated the work of his own community and vladimir putin's criticisms of the united states. america's decade-long subjection to donald trump is littered with hateful and violent words, and actions. donald trump has refused still to apologize for taking out whole page newspaper ads in

1989, calling for the death penalty for the central park five. five black and latino men who were wrongfully convicted as teenagers for the of a new york city jogger. in 2016, donald trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and not lose any voters. in the same campaign, he promised to pay the legal bills of any of his supporters who beat up protesters at his rallies. on his inauguration day, he gave a speech invoking the phrase, american carnage. as president, he said they were, quote, very fine people on both sides, end quote, after an innocent woman was murdered during a ride between demonstrators and . the night before the deadly right, those same white supremacist marched through the campus of the university of virginia with torches, chanting, -- will not replace us. and blood and soil, which is an

english translation of a slogan . in 2020 as joe biden, donald trump, as president, he told the proud boys to stand back and stand by. out at his rallies, calling for those jailed at the capital patriots. those in prison are hostages. the same people who pledged to hang mike pence, who repeatedly assaulted and promised to kill -- who built a gallows with a noose. today, a federal judge sentencing a man, saying we cannot condone the normalization of the january 6th u.s. capital right. but condone that violence is exactly what donald trump and the republican party are doing. this week, donald trump, the presidential nominee of the party of abraham lincoln, he had to be gagged by a new york judge after making threatening

attacks against the judges daughter. here's the thing, violence is to donald trump is. he uses violent words, welding them like weapons to make you afraid of him, of the others, of the immigrants. it doesn't matter, as long as you are afraid. it doesn't have to be this way. you shouldn't give over your fear to donald trump. but you also can't ignore him. he counts on the fact that some will follow him into the fire of his creation. most will look away in horror, hoping time will make it all go away. time will not make it all go away. throughout this nation's history, many wise americans have offered wisdom in the face of political violence. >> and it may well be that we will have to repent in this generation, not merely for the vitriolic words in the violent actions of the bad people who

would bomb a church in birmingham, alabama, but for the appalling silence and indifference of the good people who sit and sit around, and say wait on time. somewhere, we must come to see that human progress never roles in the wheels of inevitability. >> human progress never roles in -- roles in. things don't get better for those who wait. things only get better for those who act. timothy snyder, professor of history at yale university. he is the author of "the road to unfreedom." and many other books. we just talked about this a few weeks ago. i think it was important to come back. donald trump, on a daily basis now, is doing things that shocked those of us who don't think we can be further shocked. the question is, not that you shouldn't be shocked by it, it is what you are supposed to do about it. we were talking just this weekend about how he posted a

picture of a truck that was decorated, wrapped to look like joe biden with a bullet in his head, and was hogtied in the bed of the truck. what is the danger of normalizing this? >> yeah. the problem is what he is doing. he is changing what he is normal. he is getting us used to the idea that violent words, violent phrases, and directorates, that this is all normal. and of course, our whole political system is based on the idea that you have a constitution, a social contract, an agreement to handed over peacefully. this is the kind of person if elected, or close to power, what automatically undo the system. and be calm about it, make that a reason to make sure this person doesn't get close to power. >> gets close to power, that's an interesting term. you mentioned this in an article that you wrote.

getting close to power is not the same as winning power. you've made the point that donald trump is setting up a situation in which on november 5th, he doesn't actually have to win more votes than joe biden to achieve his goals. >> i don't think in any of these elections, in '16, year cat -- '20, or '24, trump actually believed he was going to end. in one way or another, he said it would be stacked against him, people are going to cheat. i don't think he's ever had the notion that he would win the popular or electoral vote. each time, now with increasing violence, increasing fear on his side, he just tried to get close enough that he could stage something. i think he was genuinely surprised in 2016 when he won. and he was not surprised in '20 when he lost. he was advertising for months that he was going to try something if you failed to win. this time, he is making it very

clear to us that his whole game is to just reasonably close in november, and then see what he can pull off. we have more time to make sure he doesn't get reasonably close, and more time to head off the things he could try in november. smit you talk about this, and you say, let's be calm. that's good. aihara doesn't have to be on fire about this. but you can't do nothing. you can't wish it away. you can't decide because you don't like to hear his voice, that you should hear what he's got to say. what is your guidance for people who really don't want to listen to donald trump? they don't believe they are going to vote for him, they don't believe he is going to win the election. what are we called upon to do other than vote on november 5th. >> that is a great question. the most important thing is to do something. what trump is trying to do among other things is the more lies everybody. he is trying to make everything seem dirty. he wants to make politics seem dirty.

part of the strategy is to try to make the biden administration seem like a version of him. just pick your favor -- your flavor of bad. combination with somebody, calling your legislation. any little thing you do. campaigning for candidates you care about. donating money. any little thing you do makes you feel better, and then you get a positive cycle where you are doing something good, and you are feeling better about doing something good. and then at the end, you win. you know there are a lot of people around you are trying to do good things. you end up on the right side, but then you are not demoralized. you are happy at the end of it. >> let's talk about this. this is the time we should be introspective. there should be time to get this is right as we can. what are the things we should be doing now? in light of the fact that

donald trump crosses new redlines on a daily basis. what is the way in which we capture this properly? providing the context without creating unnecessary fear? >> yeah. number one, good old-fashioned just covering what the man says and does. i don't think there has been enough. we talked about this last time. i don't think there has been enough simple coverage of the rallies. they need to know that this began with an appeal to people who have been convicted of crimes. there should be a violent overthrow of the american system. that is how every single rally begins. they have to accept that this is suicide for democracy. if you just say there are two sides to everything and i will find my way to the middle, you will always give the people overthrow the system an

advantage. you will always be sharing your legitimacy, giving your legitimacy to them. in such a way to say this person is, a, and b, i will somehow find my way into the middle of the. it is really important. this is the third thing, not to talk about how the american people are divided. it is not that the people are divided. we have an extraordinary election in which we have an unusual candidate who has already tried to overthrow the system once and tells us every day he is aiming to get close enough that he can use violence to overthrow. >> tim, we always appreciate it. thank you for your continued analysis. we will have to have this conversation several more times before november. timothy starter is a professor at the university of yale. coming up, the special counsel jack smith has a lot of strong words for the judge in a new

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aileen cannon is wrong. special counsel jack smith did not mince words when he filed the response to the proposed for jury instructions.

including this, cannon said she was considering this that would essentially leave the jury no choice but to acquit donald trump. repeatedly calling the interpretation of the presidential records act wrong, and said it would, quote, distort the trial,end quote. the records act had nothing to do whether donald trump illegally retained classified documents in violation of the espionage act. it would be pure fiction to suggest that holly classified documents created by members of the intelligence community and military, and presented to the president of the united states during his term in office were purely private,end quote. pointing out that donald trump has never actually used that defense that the documents were personal. , quote, his entire effort to rely on this was not based on any facts. it is a justification that was concocted more than a year

after the white house. and in his evocation in this court of the presidential records act, it is not grounded in any decision he actually made during his presidency to designate as any of the records charged, end quote. jack smith also made it clear he is willing to take the issue back to the 11th circuit court of appeals. quote, if however, the court does not reject that erroneous legal premise, it should make that decision clear now, long before jeopardy attaches, to allow the government the opportunity to seek appellate review, end quote. remember the appellate court of appeals has already twice reversed judge cannon. first after she blocked the government from accessing the documents seized from mar-a- lago, and then with a reversed her decision to appoint a special master to over soothe a review of the documents. joining us now, neil -- who has argued 50 cases before the

supreme court. he is a professor at georgetown law and host of the podcast courtside with neil. also, former united states attorney and before she was the united states attorney, she was the head of the u.s. attorneys appellate division and was in charge of all matters before the 11th circuit court of appeals. both are msnbc legal analyst. getting it to both of you. i read a lot of legal terminology. there is this talk of a writ, talk of jeopardy, and this discussion by jack smith to say, please make whatever decision you are going to make now. because if you don't do it now, we have a problem. what did he mean? >> right. so here's the problem that happens with aileen cannon's refusal to issue a ruling on trump's motion to dismiss under the presidential records act. the reason he says he is entitled to a decision now, if she rules against them, he can appeal that in advance.

he can go to the 11th circuit and asked them. the reality here, virtually every legal expert who is not in the trump can't has looked at this issue and says the presidential records act has nothing to do with whether someone is in possession of classified national defense. it seems pretty clear that the judges in error territory. she is trying to delay ruling on that motion until after the trial starts. here's why that matters. once the jury is sworn in, double jeopardy attaches. if she dismisses the case in trump's favor after double jeopardy attaches, jack smith can't appeal her. he can't retry the case because the government can only try to defend it one time on a set of charges. was she is essentially trying to do is to protect trump, to insulate him behind a decision she would make after decision, the jury was impaneled when they couldn't try him again,

and defeating their right to appeal. jack smith has finally decided to get tough. he says, look, the clock is ticking here. he hasn't told her how much time. she said, if i don't get it, i will ask the court to order you to rule. >> it has not gone her way a couple of times in the past. there are two issues here. one is the argument that jack smith makes about the presidential records act. but the other one is this idea that the judge seems to be considering giving you -- that would be to the wall. the president can do x, y, z. it is not a vague law about the presidential records act. >> that is exactly right. what smith did was take both of your points and basically say in legal terms, you know, a

whole bunch of stuff. it all boils down to, look, judge cannon. we've had enough already. basically saying to her, you are getting this totally wrong. you are delaying things and risking a double jeopardy acquittal. as joyce says, that we are going to mandamus you. which to say, you are so wrong, we will take this to an immediate appeal, and seeing the removal as a judge in the case. when i ran the general office, which is the office that controls all federal appeals from across the country. they will come to me and asked for that. saying, look, this judge is totally out of line. we have to file this. be patient, let the system play out. when you have a judge who is

repeatedly -- the way this judge has, enough is enough. and in those rare circumstances, that is when you seek mandamus, and you possibly even see the removal of a judge. unfortunately, ali, we are at that stage. saying, look, kids gloves are off now. we've been as patient as we can. >> let's examine the question of law. i think that is a point jack smith is trying to make. the fact is interesting. there is a whole debate. about what he is allowed to do. there is no actual assertion that he did any of that. his team is not even asserting that he actually took any steps to create personal records, or to determine what is restricted or classified material.

jack smith's point is, even if this were true, which is not, none of it happened. >> yeah. it is really incredible. smith goes through a lot of trouble to go through this step by step, saying not only has trump never said he designated any of these records as personal, he has gone through a lot of trouble to craft an argument that lets them avoid saying that. he's let this argument that any time he takes stuff out of the white house, he doesn't take it to the national archives, but takes it someplace else. that means it is automatically personal. not a presidential record. smith really makes -- of this argument. the records, the classified documents found at mar-a-lago our intelligence community documents created by the intelligence community. that is shown in the course of his official work. if anything is a presidential wrecker, it is the sorts of

documents. the government is that serious here. he knows this better than i do. he was forging a part of that time, the acting solicitor general. i had to go to his office for permission to do this. as he says in these mandamus and recusal situations, it is very rarely given. we know jack smith has it here. federal prosecutors don't make empty threats. if he talks about filing a motion to mandamus, that means he's already gone to the solicitor general, he's gotten her approval, the government is dead serious about getting the situation resolved. >> play that out for me. if he has some approval, or has some sense this might be the course he takes, what happens? >> smith is going to wait for judge cannon to try and resolve this. if she doesn't resolve this, then she will that she will have to make a decision about

when to file that. i suspect it will happen fairly soon. the clock is really ticking here. i think i authorized one mandamus action in my time at the justice department from across the entire country, all 50 states. it is something that you do very rarely. i remember going home that night and almost tearing up about it. it was such a great step. i don't think that the solicitor general to the extent she is involved already is doing it any other way. this is extreme action. sometimes when you have extreme decision, they demand extreme action. >> and part of the extremists of this is the timing. judge aileen cannon has been a remarkable slow walker. if jack smith decides to do this, at what speed with the 11th circuit act on this? and the context on this, the 11th circuit has had the aileen cannon brief before them before. >> the 11th circuit will move

quickly. they've always been a circuit that believes in fast action. they proven that in the two prior appeals of judge cannon's issues. there is one more important thing to note here. you know what, in every circuit, the laws a little different. that is why we have a supreme court. there is something a bit unusual here. the 11th circuit has said, you know, we don't usually allow them to -- based on the way they conducted that case. usually, it requires some sort of a financial conflict of interest. when the judge has been repeatedly reversed, we think we have the authority to remove that judge. not because they are bad judge we have any beef with the judge, we simply think it would be too difficult for them to set aside their earlier rulings. in one of my cases, i think one that neal authorized the appeal on, the 11th circuit set aside the judge.

it was their decision to do that for that precise reason. i think we can very easily see them do something like that here. >> neal, if this all were to happen the way jack smith wanted to happen, he wants this trial to occur. is there still any possibility that this trial occurs before the election? >> yes, absolutely. his goal is to make sure the trial happens before the election. if donald trump becomes president on day one, he will end this prosecution, as the president has the power to do to call off any prosecution, including one himself. and trump's goal is to delay this trial until january 20th, hope he wins. and then if he wins, nullify the prosecution. i still think there's absolutely time for this child to happen, and it should happen. the american people deserve to know what donald trump did with these extremely sensitive classified, and otherwise documents. before i was in the solicitor

general's office, i was national security advisor to the justice department. we saw cases like this. maybe not with these number of extreme documents. but more minor ones. of course, those people went to jail. of course, they were prosecuted. the prosecution did not take year after year, the way this one appears to be going right now. >> i have learned a lot tonight. we will hear this word a lot, man davis. a lot of us have -- man made us. thank you both. coming up in just eight days, he lost $3 billion from his media stop. it is almost as if the evaluation of trump media wasn't quite well. that's next. that's next. >> tech: at safelite, we'll take care of fixing your windshield. but did you know we can take care of your insurance claim?

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it is day eight of donald trump's stock moment, debuting at $80 a share, but was down by $58 a share by closing time at the end of the first day. showing that trump media's losses and an independent auditor released a statement saying, quote, substantial doubt about his ability to continue as a going concern,end quote. it fell again to where currently sits, about $48 a share. that is a 30% loss from opening night. he lost about $3 billion from his talk, 3 billions

disappeared. it was almost like the value wasn't really there. now he still has about $3.7 billion on paper, but likely has to wait six months before he can sell his stake in the company. he would be able to cash out in october, which would be the final stretch of the presidential campaign, which would be oddly convenient. also convenient, the merger that has provided trump this came courtesy of a republican billionaire, who masqueraded as a never trump, until donald trump changed his position on tiktok, which is a valuable asset that he personally has $21 billion invested in. to any reasonable person, that looks like a convenient way for a republican billionaire to help the republican candidate trump outside of his loss.

as always, you will find the best people around any trump undertaking. two capitalists provided -- pled guilty to insider trading. they knew about the 2021 deal that would allow a shell company to merge with donald trump's social media company. they made millions of dollars off of their insider knowledge, and now face maximum sentences of 20 years each in prison. in 2022, the trump media company took an emergency loan from a company that the guardian says is a shell company for a russian-american businessman who was under federal and criminal investigation. there is no reporting this is trump knew about the sources. nbc has not confirmed that. joining us lau is sheila, staff writer for the -- great to see

you again. this is a tricky one. there's a lot going on. companies go public. it happens all the time. there are mergers. companies fail. they don't make a lot of money. there are so many interesting legal pieces to the story. >> there are a lot of red flags surrounding this going public situation. number one, employing this strategy, which is its main selling point. it allows them to become publicly traded really quickly. there is little vetting of the underlined business, or outside analysts can get the books. it is unclear whether they are even a legitimate business. we don't even know what the business plan is, or the plan to become profitable. many of the stockholders here are trump fans.

there are people who just love him, want to support them, and don't really care what he says or does. or whether his business is successful or not. what you really want to see is a lot of long term, stable, experienced investors. moving in and owning your stock. that is definitely not what happened. i think there also demands of being a publicly traded company that just don't fit. it requires a lot of transparency. you are required to report audited numbers to your stockholders. you're supposed to kind of reveal what's going on, who's making decisions. it is safe to say that he has long been someone who likes to keep all of that hit him. >> i want to be very clear. there is no allegation that jeff, who is said to be the biggest -- the biggest shareholder in tiktok. it is just unusual that a guy

who has a big position in a company, tiktok, donald trump comes out against tiktok. everybody denied that they actually had a conversation about tiktok. then he changes his position on tiktok. again, no allegations whatsoever of wrongdoing, but it is a little unusual. >> you are right. it is unusual. the general dynamic of them trying to court politicians, especially presidents who might have influence over their financial is not new. presidents and serious candidates are required to -- or requested to divest of their business interest, and to put their assets in things like blind trust. trump has consistently refused to do that. he's had different businesses,

different deals, you know, little shenanigans he is up to. it's created a lot of leeway, a lot of entry points for potential corruption, or attempts to influence him in improper ways. then yeah, of course, the yass tiktok -- cannot be ignored. >> schiller, good to see you again. coming up, more breaking news. chef jose andres is speaking out as he prepares to speak directly to benjamin netanyahu. killing aid workers from the central kitchen in gaza. that's next. that's next. erate covid-19 and a high-risk factor for it becoming severe. it does not prevent covid-19. my symptoms are mild now, but i'm not risking it. if it's covid, paxlovid. paxlovid must be taken within the first five days of symptoms, and helps stop the virus from multiplying in your body.

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the pressure is growing on israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. president biden is expected to speak by phone with netanyahu tomorrow. quote, tough conversations, end quote. seven aid workers from the world central kitchen, including an american, were killed monday in an american -- israeli airstrike. now, jose andres is speaking out. in new york times, and a new interview where he says israeli forces targeted his aid workers, quote, systematically, car by car. >> 17 members between the security people we have, three

british individuals, and three international, one palestinian. they were targeted systematically, car by car. this happened from 5.8 kilometers. this was not bad luck where, oh, we dropped the bomb in the wrong place. no. this was over 1.5, 1.8 kilometers with a very defined humanitarian convoy that had signs in the top, in the roof. humanitarians and civilians should never be paying the consequences of war. this is a basic principle of humanity. at the time, this looks like it is not the war against the regime anymore. it is a war against humanity itself. >> a war against humanity itself. today, the israeli war cabinet member benny goetz, a political

component -- opponent of netanyahu, calling for this to take place two years before the end of netanyahu's turn. making rounds in washington, meeting with vice president kamala harris, chuck schumer, mcconnell, and anthony blinken. at the the canceled, un- canceled meetings between netanyahu loyalists and the by the ministration grew heated over plans for rafah, telling them that the humanitarian crisis in gaza that has been deteriorating over the last five months doesn't create confidence in israel's ability to conduct an efficient and orderly evacuation of civilians from rafah. integrated food security phase classification ipc organization could issue a famine declaration for gaza two sources said. they said sullivan told the

israeli ifs that happens, it would be only the third such declaration in the 21st century. end quote. they said it is better than blocking food and medicine to civilians and killing aid workers who had coordinated their movements with the israeli defense forces. the israeli government needs to open more land roots for food and medicine today. it needs to stop killing civilians and aid workers li today. in the worst conditions after the worst terrorist attack in history, it is time for the best of israel to show up. you cannot save hostages by bombing every building in gaza. you cannot win this war by starving an entire population. end quote. joining us now is david, a

foreign affairs analyst. david, it is good to see you. i have seen jose andres and his team in many places and they work hard to not fall in the middle of a political conflict. i have never heard him like this. >> you are absolutely right and you could tell he was trying once again to show the kind of grace and generosity of spirit for which he is known. but he is also showing the anger that is completely due. three vehicles targeted three times. the israelis warned long in advance the attacks taking place over an extended area of 2.4 kilometers. it is just inexcusable. and it is the hardest thing for anybody who knows jose andres to imagine that he would take such a strong stance unless he

was not just out raged. but, that he had the evidence that it was clear to him that what has happened was as wrong as he says it was. >> what happens next? because when bad things happen, we get lamentations from the white house that make you hope he means it. what really happens? because there is really a good t conversation that the united states could have with israel to say you got to do things this way and not that way. but it doesn't turn out that way. >> we

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