wrong and that is something we are not dissipating in. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. i will see you tomorrow. tomor. question presumes at this very early hour that it was a deliberate strike, that they knew exactly what they were heading, that they were hitting aid workers and did on purpose and there is no evidence of that. >> outrage and anger after israeli military strike kills aid workers in gaza. >> these people are heroes, they run into the fire, not away from it. >> tonight, the fallout from the attack, the threat, regional escalation and renewed rusher on israel's biggest ally. >> the united states cannot be giving another to israel to

continue this terrible war ib again the palestinian people. that, a new gag order against donald trump, the only presidential candidate on trial. >> i got indicted more than alfons capone. scarface. election night in america as biden embraces choice and trump embraces church. >> november 5th is going to be, called something else, do you ed know what is going to be called? christian visibility day, when christians turned out the numbers. and nobody has ever seen. >> went all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. the u.s. is unwavering support . of the nettie prime government e in gaza has been a moral, political, and strategic failure. and it is long past time to change course israel's war on gaza has raised for an almost six months now and one thing is

abundantly clear, israel's far right leader, prime minister intimate nettie prime has no incentive to stop the catastrophe. he needs the war to go on so he can remain in power. for the brutal hamas deadly as attacks on men, women, children , on october 7th, netanyahu's long political career looks like it was crashing to an end. in an effort to avoid corruption charges he launched an all out attack on a corner store and israeli liberal democracy, cracking down on ther independence of its judges. that move spurred the longest, g biggest protest in israeli history. then in october, hamas attacked and killed over 1000 people, most of them civilians in their homes, barricaded, desperate, at a concert it took more than 200 hostages back into gaza, and nettie prime, the man who has long claimed that he alone could protect israel oversaw the worst security failure in the nations history. and is really pulling shows

that people believed him board. the political factions came together to form a wartime government with nettie prime at its head and at least until hamas was destroyed in the war could end and his legal and political fate could be decided. it was almost half a year ago. what has happened since then is a campaign that has been brutal in its civilian toll in gaza. palestinians in gaza forced in mastiff leave their homes, disease and deprivation and hunger run rampant, approximately 32,000 civilians are amnow dead. 2/3 of whom are women and children, 32,000 are dead, 2/3 of which are women and children. now at a point where just about every aid organization in the world, at least the ones active in the region, are screaming that hundreds of thousands of people in gaza are on the threshold of starvation. now, the israeli government claims that there is no limit on aid going into gaza.

every organization involved in the provision of aid says that there is not enough getting in but israelis are slowing down aid and blocking they're not an allowing enough food into gaza. the organization that assesses famine assesses the population of gaza as at higher risk of starvation. u.s. i.d. administrator, savanna power, has said not enough . food is getting in four months. >> we were just briefed by the officials, we just left gaza about the catastrophic levels of food insecurity. and the aid workers who, on the ground and gaza, are risking their lives to get food to people in desperate, desperate need those aid workers have to be protected in fact, the u.s. has had to resort to the incredibly ordinary step of air dropping food. this is usually only done in the most horrible conflicts, when, for instance, your allies are surrounded, not the ones doing the surrounding. it was used to get aid to embattled folks at the top of a mountain who were surrounded by isis. the food drops themselves are

incredibly inefficient, they proved insufficient. so the next plan announced with great fanfare, was to build a temporary dock on the water, on the mediterranean sea where u.s. could help facilitate aid i deliveries because the check points are not allowing trucks through enough. and in the meantime, the world central kitchen founded by renowned chef, jose andres, who courted it to build a kind of temporary version, where food could come o in by ship, the ship from the mediterranean and be distributed in northern gaza which is where there is the most risk of famine, the hardest part to get food into. his charity has done similar ar work in all kinds of disaster areas or hurricanes, earthquakes, and war zones like ukraine. three weeks ago he explained why he went to gaza. >> of course we should be ur ringing humanitarian aid by boat. if there is a possibility, but what we cannot do is fail the

people of gaza, that would be the true failure is not trying so we are trying. please so world central kitchene got tons of food. i mean literally tons of food, they uploaded it from their ships, they unloaded it from their ships and they sent it to local headquarters for distribution in northern gaza. yesterday the convoy of their trucks, marked as their trucks,d left that warehouse, driving through northern gaza their logo, clear as day on the top and 3 of their vehicles were hit by air launch missiles one after another after another in quick succession. the first one being hit, people evacuating g the injured him after a second car, that being hit and then the third being hit. you killed seven aid workers, including a measure of the world central kitchen, actually cleared on msnbc late last month. today, prime minister benjamin nettie prime says the strikes weren't intentional multiple is really they did precisely target

the aid trucks, knowing they were eight trucks because they thought there was a militant writing in it. the idf releasing an unofficial statement tonight, saying, quote, it was a icmistake that followed a decided to vacation at night during a war, very complex conditions, it should not have happened today, national security council spokesman, john kirby, from the, podium pushed back on reports israelis knew they were hitting an aid truck. >> your question presumes, at this very early hour, that it was a deliberate strike, that they knew exactly what they k were hitting, that they were hitting aid workers and did it on purpose and there is no evidence of that. world central kitchen is now pausing, understandably, the risk is just too great. other aid groups, the risk of ps mass starvation looms as intense as ever. is all only ends when the israeli government, which is led by benjamin nettie prime, d says it is. and that is not sitting well with many israelis, including

many families of the october 7th hostages, about 100 of their loved ones remain in hamas custody and gaza in this besieged territory where they too are in danger. and some of the family members of those hostages were among the tens of thousands of te israelis who took to the streets in massive protests against nettie prime over the weekend. the largest since the attacks la of october 7th club there has been an enormous pressure for a many of the hostages families to strike some kind of deal that releases the rest of them. again, the only mass release of hostages came during the first g initial weeklong cease-fire fairly early in the stwar. but more durable cease-fire c talks keep raking down. they broke down last month. some years my mediators told the wall street journal they believe that yahoo believes the power to make a deal undermined the talks. israeli officials disputing that notion. n. precision strike

one former u.s. official called that strike incredibly reckless , and is raising fears of a wider israeli war for syria, a war that could quickly suck in the united states. it has been clear since day one, just what netanyahu's political interest is. mainly, the failure, security failure of october 7, the horror of it. the bone deep horror of it. was netanyahu's fault, he was the head of the state and as such, his survival always depended on staving off the day

of reckoning. for the war to stretch on as long as possible because the reckoning is overdue is coming as soon as the war ends, it comes on the day after. so that is what his incentives are and they have been president joe biden in the war to broker a deal with hamas crucially to release the hostages. and then to figure out some kind of post-conflict equilibrium and trajectory that isn't just a dissent into more catastrophic militant nihilism and humanitarian suffering. those two incentive structures, cannot be reconciled. and so instead what we get is this completely incoherent policy of embracing israel in public and criticizing his actions in private or in selling them weapons while saying things that they don't like the way they are doing. a policy that aaron david miller, former state department official played and has been an issue for decades, described as

passive aggressive. which is an understatement. on the same day israel killed seven aid workers and struck an iranian consulate, news broke that the u.s. is considering transferring another $18 billion in military arms to the israelis, putting up to 50 f-15 fighter jets. israel is a sovereign nation, it has probably the most powerful military in the region. if they wanted to continue to pursue this war in this reckless fashion, they can do so without the active aid, assistance, and apologetics of our government. windy sherman served as deputy secretary of state from april 20 220 21. she was the lead negotiator on the iran nuclear deal under president obama. the president of refugees international, previously serves the biden administration

. and an independent israeli journalist decades of expense reporting on israeli- palestinian politics. she has been covering the protest there, as well. jeremy i will start with you as someone who has a lot of experience in aid provision. conflict zones and war zones are extremely dangerous, aid organizations know that and mistakes do happen in war and the israeli government is saying this is a mistake. in your experience, how common are mistakes like this where a precision guided munition, not like a, this is not like someone is caught in gunfire intended for someone else, but an actual precision guided munition is directed at an aid convoy, have you experienced that before? >> it is rare. we have seen this sort of thing from russia and syria, for example. russia would strike you in convoys from time to time during the syrian civil war. it is not that common and it is frankly a little hard to swallow that they didn't know what they were striking. and it

doesn't absolve them, frankly, if that's the case. because there is an affirmative obligation under international humanitarian law for military to know what it is targeting before it drops a bomb on something. so if, in fact, they didn't realize they were striking and aid convoy, and it is hard to believe that, as you said earlier, given that the logos were so prominently clear on the top of the vehicle and the bombs went right through them but if that is the case, that does not mean this was not somehow a grave breach of international humanitarian law. >>, to follow up on this because i want to talk about the complexion which is something that is talked about here. the world central kitchen folks have said we were in contact with the israelis about what we were doing as all aid organizations would be in the conflict, so you mentioned that even the russians, that there will be avenues between aid organizations and the russian government. what does that say to you? so there was some matchup, they were communicating. it appears they may have tried to communicate after the first

strike, in between the first and the second to say you have hit us. >> yet. so humanitarian deacon function is a really well-established printable and process with humanitarian groups cornered with the military or militaries that are conducting hostilities in the area where they are working. israel did this in the 2006 lebanon war and they had a very effective channel with the you in there. and it worked, it served to protect humanitarians they have refused to establish a working deacon function channel up to this point in the war. there is a very rickety process that does not protect aid workers. aid workers have been screaming about this for months. the u.s. government has acknowledged four months that it is not working and that they have been raising with the israelis, you heard i think made reference to that today. now we will establish a more robust he complexion wide and

they do that they know how to do it, urging them to do it, that makes it harder to view this as an and is sent mistake because they did not establish the kinds of systems that they know how to establish to prevent this kind of thing from happening. >> i know that this has received a lot of attention in the israeli press, reporting on it, there's about 196 aid workers who have died so far in the conflict so far, that is from the u.n. secretary- general, most of those aid workers. tell me about the weekend protest, and then this, on top of it, and what that has done to the tenor of conversation happening there. >> the tenor of the conversation , public debate has gotten very very fevered. it happened this week, even before this event is that this week was planned to be a week of escalation of the protest

against netanyahu and of the explicit unification of the struggle of families of hostages still held by hamas with the political struggle against netanyahu. with the families blaming netanyahu, saying you have pushed us into the arms of these protests against you because we are not persuaded that you were not helping us to get our hostages back. what happened to nine in jerusalem was unexpected for me, was by far the most tenacious, the most edgy, and the most violent of protest against, between police and anti-netanyahu protesters in the streets of jerusalem. at one point, a torch was thrown at the mounted police, there are thousands of people right now sleeping on the street outside the knesset in these kinds of tent cities. and late tonight, i would say

that police have basically lost control over streets in downtown jerusalem near the prime minister's residence. where people were simply demanding an end to the war and the return of the hostages i do think we have to add to this conversation that hamas has not agreed to the conditions. so the fact that all of these israelis are blaming netanyahu is naturally they are blaming their own government. that said, the other side is not helping. >> and you can't, you cannot create a unilateral cease fire. chris murphy, windy sherman today saying that israel basically should halt immediately suspend all military operations inside gaza. someone who worked at the state department and worked on issues in this region, can you explain to me, aaron david miller called it passive aggressive which really seems like an understatement. this idea that you criticize the netanyahu government, you

have the entrance to gaza saying not enough aid is getting in, we're going to airdrop, we are going to build a jetty. and yet you don't change anything about the materials support for this ongoing effort. >> first of all, i think that john kirby said it absolutely right. we are all outraged by what happened to these aid workers and it is absolutely unacceptable. i think secretary blinken calling them heroes is exactly right. all of the aid workers, u.n. and otherwise, many of whom are palestinians who have died in this horrible war, i want to recognize them and salute them and give whatever comfort we can to their families, the great irony is this incident has polled eight outs of gaza, not put more aid in, one of the things that israel could do is to in fact open the channels for aid that have been so difficult to get through. as

samantha power stated in her interview. that is one thing that baby netanyahu could do. i think as nova was pointing out, this is really a game of chess, not checkers. it is very located. i believe that president biden is trying to de-escalate, get the cease- fire, get hostages out, have that cease-fire become permanent too, in fact, in the postwar period get humanitarian aid in, which can happen now and should happen now. israel has a responsibility to make that happen, and to show the world that understands what this incident, and all the others mean for how they are isolating themselves in the world community, because of these actions. at the same time, the president is trying to de- escalate and get this surge of humanitarian aid in. he is looking ahead to trying to

ensure that there is gaza, when this is all over. that there is a two state solution, as difficult as that may be. jake sullivan is headed to saudi arabia to talk about saudi arabia's recognition of israel. and part of that demand from saudi arabia will be a two state solution, some way to protect palestinians. all of these things in diplomacy , all of these very hard things happen when you have the right leaders, the right leadership and i think we have seen, as you described, chris, as both jeremy and nova described, the people of israel want hostages back, yes, they don't want hamas to be a threat to them. hamas is a terrorist organization israel is a state, and so they want to end hamas's ability to repeat october 7th again. and i think most israelis know

better than i do, support, making sure that hamas cannot do october 7th all over again. in order for that to happen, palestinians need a secure future and a certain what is happening now is not leading to that security it is leading to a whole new generation of palestinians who are quite angry , understandably so. >> the reports that we have from the north of gaza, which is the place where the ground incursion first happened i think the israeli government will say that most hamas riders were cleared out. incredibly intense. essentially it is just armed groups and militants of different kinds in a kind of roving gang situation. the total write-down of civil order because there is no governing structure. so it is hard to imagine something better growing up in that kind of situation. that even what came before. it is less than the things that get worse. thank you all.

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attacked the judges daughter out for time on his truth social platform, posting her name, also posting a news story with photos of her. basically painted a target on this young woman's back, so much so, the judge had to adjust the order took cover his own family members, and family members the district attorney, this pattern of attacking family members of presiding jurors and attorneys assigned to his case, serves no legitimate purpose. it merely injects peer of those assigned or called to participate in the proceedings not only day but their family members, as well, fair game for defendants vitriol. yesterday the judge expanded the gag order of trump. since that, trump has still been attacking the judge but notably he has stopped just short of attacking the judges daughter. joining me now is msnbc legal correspondent, lisa ruben. i just want to start with this, that every time we do one of these, you can sort of lose sight of how just completely out of, unprecedented it is.

how different it is. it just does not happen. it does not happen in courtrooms, does not happen to defendants. we are just in a totally different universe in which this man with a lot of power and a lot of followers is parading the judges daughter >> and every time you and i get together, i show up on other shows talking about the extraordinary notice of the moment. that, in and of itself, becomes ordinary for viewers, who are inoculated to this kind of behavior that is so far beyond the pale of what is acceptable in most courtrooms in the united states that we forget >> or would even be attempted. you know what i mean? like yes, it is unacceptable but even in a universe where there are millions of criminal defendants, this doesn't really happen. >> no, it doesn't because most defendants would face consequences far sooner. >> there have been some consequences, at least the judge ordered the gag order has been expanded and, again, we have seen this, we saw this in the past. we have seen at other places where he does know what he is

doing. and so he stopped just short. >> so what does he do now? he reposts other people's statements about the daughter in order to skirt the prohibition, which is framed as you can't make or direct others to make public statements about certain folks. he is not making a statement, he is not directing others to make a statement, he is merely republishing a statement. but that has the exact same thrust and just to the things that he was saying before. >> there is also now, a request for recusal, which strikes me as , you know, a not serious motion. >> it is worse than that because it is the tail wagging the dog. one of the things i noticed in the opposition of the gag order just a couple of hours before judge marchand issued that gag order, they said all trump was doing here was trying to amplify defense arguments about rochon. so in his post about the daughter last week, they claim

that really, what that was about was just trying to help his lawyers communicate to people how necessary recusal was i don't want to rehash exactly what he posted, but that was not the aim but here, what they are trying to do is complete the political and the legal, that it all collapses into one and would the opposition research, and an ordinary medical campaign, sort of migrated into this case and the recusal motion. >> that is the question, there has always been this, there is these two universes, we saw this in the litigation after the election, 2020, which is they can make all the compiled claims they want to and be hosted by republican lawmakers and say all sorts of crazy stuff. as soon as those claims enter a courthouse they got reduced to rubble. what good is it dude for them to be doing this in a court, i guess is the question? >> it is not that it does them any good in the court, it is that the court is the forum for their political campaign now. all the courts are in his stage, effectively, so that anything he says in court gets

amplified repeated, and becomes a part of his political messaging. it is not about trying to obtain a particular result in a court of law, it is about trying to obtain a result through the courts in our political system. >> right, because ultimately he is not, he doesn't care about winning in the court, he cares about winning the election because that is the only thing that will give him essentially the immunity and security from immediate prosecution and possible prison that he would otherwise be facing. >> perversely i enqueue it almost prefer to lose in these trial courts. knowing it will help them electorally and if he can only survive through november and prevail in the election, he doesn't have to worry about those initial losses. >> rochon is not going to recuse. please thank you. still to come, as donald trump campaigns on a nationwide abortion back, florida's highest court allows taccone new restrictions on women's health. that is ahead.

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the candidates today, as well as a handful of challengers whose names remain in the ballot results in both states will start coming in after the top of the hour but we don't expect any surprises there, either. there are more than a dozen states and territories remaining on the primary calendar. of course, the general campaign is already in full swing. this week, joe biden is putting one key issue front and center, abortion rights will talk more about that, next. “(crowd cheering) i've got to get the gametime app.” “download the gametime app and use promo code viva to get $20 off your first purchase.”

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for their campaign >> because for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v wade terminated and i did it, and i am proud to have done it. >> 2016, donald trump ran to overturn roe v wade. now, in 2024, he is ready to pass a national ban on a women's right to choose. i am running to make roe v wade the law of the land again, so that we have a federal guarantee to the right to choose. donald trump doesn't trust women, i do. with that comes one day after the florida supreme court had a six-week abortion ban also and amendment to enshrine abortion rights

>> without hardly any exceptions to and incest. a band that actually rick scott said he would have probably supported and signed into law if he was governor. and we know that florida was the last state to offer reproductive care for thousands of women in the southeast region . i am really concerned as a mom for the safety of young women across our state. i'm concerned about the rise in maternal mortality rates between black women and latina women at very high rates. we have also known that we are going to have an opportunity, november, to make sure that we protect reproductive freedoms in

the state, and we're going to win, rick scott nozick, the millions of floridians know it. i know it, and that is why he just placed an ad and that is what i need everybody to go to w-4 florida and support my race. >> i have known you, i've interviewed you in the past, we have had a podcast after the 2020 election. so i knew that you were running in this race and i thought of you when i saw that those two rulings. at about this november, what does it mean for you, your campaign, democratic candidates in the state, or any candidate that supports abortion rights but just generally for the texture of a state that i think a lot of natural immigrants have used out of reach it has moved so far to the right it has become a sort of red state. >> and i have been saying to you, and too many others that florida is a purple state. we sought in the ballot initiative. this is not a partisan issue about 1,000,000 1/2 of floridians signed on to the petition to get it on the ballot and it included 150,000 republicans.

my campaign. >> ballot signatures. >> yes, and it included a lot of republicans over 150,000 registered republican voters. we have a third of our voters who are independent voters who have been coming out, voting for democrats, we do sought in orlando with tom kean who was elected and that was because of the independent voters who came out to support this race so i have been focusing on the issues, not only on abortion and protecting a woman's rights to choose and the freedom to choose, this is about the dignity of a woman to make their own decisions on when and how to start a family. >> obviously, there is a state band now that was signed by ron desantis. i don't think there's any confusion about where rick scott is on this, he said he would support the band god imagine he would vote for a nationwide ban. donald trump had this to say, he was asked about the abortion ban, this is what he had to say. >> mr. president, do you support the six-week abortion bans that the florida supreme

court just about it? >> i will make a statement next week on abortion. we will make a statement next week berkeley the biden campaign tweeted this out, you made your statement, donald trump opposed, i was able to kill roe v wade, without me there would be no six weeks. how much does the top of the ticket matter for your race? we will i can tell you that rick scott also celebrated overturning roe v wade. rick scott also supports a six- week abortion ban and what is happening with trump is that they are trying to hide and run away from this toxic record that they know very well they're going to lose. i think that it is going to galvanize voters of all ages, of all political affiliations and when i am telling voters in florida, that it doesn't matter if they sign and a vote to protect abortion rights in the states constitution. if they elect rick scott and

send him back to the senate and then he pushes a national abortion ban, that is why my race has become more critical than ever. >> it is a good point that you do have in fact, a distinct situation which is an extremely restrictive ban in place now. the opportunity to overturn that ban and enshrine the rights into the state constitution on election day on the same day that you might have a situation in which a republican senate and a republican president will look else which will then pass a national ban that will overturn whatever the state did. >> that is what voters seem to connect with and that will be the work obviously of my campaign. and again is not just about abortion. it is also protecting medicare, social security, rick scott wrote a plan to ban, to eliminate, to sunset social security and medicare. we have the highest number of seniors that depend on that care to get their healthcare. also protecting our environment, rick scott the band the words to be used, climate change when he was governor.

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so i don't want to get into it. >> is there a favorite bible verse or bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life? >> i think many, you know, when we get into the bible i think so many, and some people say an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. >> sumy things that you can learn from it, proverbs, the chapter, never bend to mb, i have had that thing all my life or you have people tending to envy. >> back in 2016, donald trump gabled he could win evangelicals despite his clear, i read the back of the book toning of the bible. the last point about never bending to envy does not appear to be in the bible. so the image the x president talking at bibles for 5999 will always we never have a record itself, perfectly encapsulates not only his desperate muckraking but also transformation in a certain kind of american christianity that has happened over the past years. in 2016, steve reinecke he talked about this time and time again, the republicans attended to be the most skeptical of trump, particularly early in the primary were the most

religious, particularly evangelical christians. today, the, evangelical christians are his most diehard supporters. crucially, not because donald trump has moved towards their version of christianity, rather american christianity, evangelical christianity has moved toward donald trump as increasingly a personality cult around the x president. writing in the new york times, michael bender says, quote, even more than his past campaigns, he is framing his 20 24-bit as a fight for christianity. one history professor out of pennsylvania evangelical university told, the appeared effectiveness of some tactics have been the major politicians that successively separate character from policy for religious full. political correspondent, michael bender joins me now. michael, enjoy the peace. sketch for me what you think has changed this time around. what you have observed in terms of the indication of christianity as sort of a central theme, rhetorical force in this campaign.

>> yeah, i think a couple of things. one is, these evangelical christians, the mainstream broad, big tent guy, evangelicals, we typically think about, having a record of a compass mentor trump. it is no, trump is far from the first republican president, presidential candidate to direct appeal to the evangelicals. that has been a very important voting block for our lifetimes in the republican party. but trump in his four years ticked through a list of the compliments for evangelicals that has made him, in their mind, their greatest champion. tickets to the professor there, they are more transactional here with trump then maybe in the past. the other thing that is happening here is that i think the thing, the way trump is presenting his rallies now and making them a sort of aesthetically religious experience. it speaks to a broader approach from trump to

tighten his grip around the entire party because to position himself as the one true republican leader, we have seen it on a number of levels from him strong-arming members of congress to back off endorsements, replacing pretty strong supporters of the republican national committee in charge there with people who are even stronger loyalists to him. and at the rank and file level, giving him a sort of culturally familiar christian undertones at the end of his rallies that you know, again, to underscore his insistence on absolute devotion and fealty from applicant. >> you are right, trump is eager to maintain the support of evangelical voters. presidential campaign is a battle. also he has mostly been careful not to speak directly. still he and his allies have inched closer to the christ comparison. i want to place some interviews from folks that a trump rally

in january of this year, basically making that explicit comparison, take a listen. >> when jesus died, he died for us, so trump is raising all these things, he is doing it for us. >> i am being indicted for you. i first thought, jesus christ died for my sins, jesus died for me, and so i connect, in my brain that way a little. >> i got to say, someone who sort of spends a fair amount of time reading around the different circles of the american right, particularly on this, even if trump doesn't pacifically say this, although this kind of iconography is extremely common, particularly in the hardest core group of his supporters. >> oh, absolutely. it is important to understand this, when it comes to understanding why trump, who is the subject of dozens of criminal and charges and someone who has lead his party into repeated political

failures over the last few election cycles, with that kind of record, why he is still, the nominee for a third cycle, a third presidential cycle in a row. and position to potentially win the white house again in a closely divided country. you know, each candidate needs to keep every vote inside their party. they have to keep that column nice and tight and the republican and democratic side, if they are going to have any chance of winning and this, with trump and republicans, is a pretty clear advantage in april of 2024 heading towards '25. >> heading for the best voter verified exits we had, he actually shared the evangelicals both declined from 60 to 2020 and the question of whether that will goes back up, sort of on the table. the final question for you, i think it is calling you and your time, the great religion reporters in the country.

she had a piece about this debate within christianity about the increasingly profane version of christianity. that sort of trumping this is sort of flowing into the actual christian culture, as much as christian culture flowing into trump that is actually transformed the way that people , the vocabulary of a certain form of american christianity, as well. >> i think so and it is interesting, you brought it up earlier, the people who are willing to call, put trump next to jesus, to kind of make him a prophetic messianic figure, you know, these are folks who are pastors of local churches who are coming to the trump rallies and reading indications. these are not the big mainstream churches where this is happening. i had a number of people telling me that the people, trump is bringing into give these players at the beginning of the rallies, that they have never heard of.

big, major evangelical leaders in this country who won't go on the record to say these kinds of things, these people that go to trump rallies often well. >> michael bender, thank you very much. that is all in on this tuesday night. for now, good evening, alex. >> the church of trump, i never thought i would live to see it but here we are, thank you, my friend. >> thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. do you remember this moment in may of 2021? >> what is going to be different about florida's election in 2022, what are you about what are you about to sign? >> so right now i have what we think is the strongest election integrity measures in the country. i'm actually going to sign it right here. it's going to take effect. so bill is signed. >> governor ron desantis nearly three years ago signing florida's voter suppression bill and doing