are willing to call, you know, to put trump next to jesus. and to kind of make him, you know, a figure. these are folks who are pastors of local small churches who are coming to the trump rallies, reading the innovations. giving you these invocations in the beginning of the rally. it's the big mainstream churches where this is happening. and a number of people are telling me that the people, trump is bringing it in to give them these in the beginning of the rallies. that they never heard of. >> right. >> the big major leader in this country. you know, who won't go on the record to say these kinds of things that the people will go to trump rallies often will. >> michael bender, thank you very much. that's all in on this tuesday night. good evening, alex. >> the church of trump, i never thought i would live to see it, but here we are. thank you, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining me this hour.

do you remember this moment in may of 2021. >> what's going to be different about florida's election in 2022? what are you about to sign? >> so right now i have what we think is the strongest election integrity measures in the country. i'll sign it right here. it will take effect. so the bill is signed. >> governor ron desantis nearly three years ago signing florida's voter suppression bill and doing it live on fox and friends. that little exclusive became a campaign hallmark. desantis built it on turning his state into a maga wonderland. a year later desantis signed the stop woke act, banning the study of race if it made white

people uncomfortable. governor desantis said slavery benefited people. and suggesting slavery was sort of a skills training program. he signed the don't say gay bill, which banned any teaching about homosexuality or gender identity in florida public schools. and all of this was suppose to transform florida into a conservative utopia that then would put ron desantis directly on a glide path to be the next president of the united states. all of it was put on display for the entire country. it was highlighted in speeches, even broadcast live on fox news, all of it except for one thing. there was one agenda item that was so toxic, so unpopular with so many people including republicans that governor desantis decided he would sign off on it very quiet in a closed door ceremony under the cloak of night. it was florida's six-week abortion ban. since governor desantis signed that law, florida's abortion

bans have been stalled in the courts. but yesterday the florida supreme court gave governor desantis exactly what he wanted, mostly. the court upheld florida's abortion ban allowing desantis' six-week ban to take effect. at the same time though, the highest court also decided to allow them to amend their constitution this november. putting it on the ballot is the last thing republicans wanted to have happen. the last time abortion rights were on the ballot in florida during the presidential election was the year 2012. that year voters soundly rejected new abortion restrictions by a 10-point margin. and that in turn almost certainly helped president barack obama narrowly carry the state over republican mitt romney. and that marks the last time the democratic presidential candidate won florida.

yesterday nbc news was first to report on a new memo from biden's campaign, outlining how they believe democrats might win back that state this november. today a group of house democrats traveled for a field hearing about the state's restrictive abortion bans. among the witnesses at that meeting was deborah, a florida woman who was forced by state law to carry her baby to term despite doctors assessments that the newborn would not survive long after birth and that carrying the pregnancy in term could risk her life. >> so the florida law forced you to carry the baby until 37 weeks with no amniotic fluid and a certainty that he would not survive? >> yeah. yes. the next few months were the toughest times of my life as i continued to grow and experience horrible pain from

the baby pushing up on different body parts. >> deborah joins the chorus of women speaking out about the absolutely appalling and dehumanizing experiences that they have had to have while trying to end pregnancies with states with new abortion bans on their book. those stories reshaped traditional battle lines. in california and vermont and kansas it montana and kentucky and ohio, in bell weather states like michigan and virginia and wisconsin. literally everywhere abortion rights have been on the ballot or been a central issue in the election, the side favoring access to abortion has won. because the war on women's bodies is a very real menace here. republicans have already banned abortion in 21 states. that is something joe biden and the democrats are going to

speak about unceasingly until election day. it is an issue that has the potential to change political reality. the biden campaign is already running this ad as part of the $30 million ad buy across seven swing states. >> because for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated. i did it. i'm proud to have done it. in 2016, donald trump ran to overturn roe v. wade. now in 2024, he's running to pass a national ban on a woman's right to choose. i'm running to make roe v. wade the law of the land again, so women have a far guarantee to choose. i'm joe biden, and i approve this message. >> today donald trump told nbc news his campaign plans to make a statement about abortion next week. we'll see what that statement says if it even happens and if it is even a statement. now trump has sought to

avoid any discussion about what he supports throughout his campaign. instead he would perform to drum up fear about phantom menaces. today trump held a campaign on the issues of border security. while he's a border state, he's not there to fear monger our canadians. and so much rage, hurt, shock around the issue of immigration. >> the 22-year-old nursing student in georgia who was bar bareically barbaric animal. no, they're not humans. they're animals. and nancy pelosi said please don't use the word animal, sir, when you're talking about these people. i said i'll use the word animal because that's what they are. >> migrants are not driving any sort of a crime wave.

violent crime as a whole is down in the united states. multiple studies have found migrants commit crime at a much lower rate than u.s. born citizens. an analysis finds crime rates are actually dropping in the big cities where conservatives have been busing migrants from the southern border. but the truth has never constrained donald trump in places where it might benefit them. that's the strategy to win in michigan. we will see what he has his sets on to win florida. the question is which of these candidates can run a stronger campaign on threats. both real and imagined. joining me now is congresswoman alyssa, the democrat from michigan's seventh congressional district, which will include lansing. it's great to see you. thanks for being here tonight. first let me get your response to trump, former president trump tonight, calling undocumented migrants animals. >> i mean, you know, look. i think it's deeply

inappropriate for anyone who is a leader to set that kind of tone. i think it will fall on deaf ears. he was obviously making fun of people asking them not to refer to immigrants as animals. i think the unbelievable situation where we were a nation of immigrants, right? he had family members who immigrated here from somewhere. it is just sadly like a tale as old as time in the united states, right? there were times when italian immigrants and irish immigrants, and immigrants were called animals in the past that we have seen this movie. it is meant to divide us and it is meant to drum up fear and anger against other people. so it falls on deaf ears to say anything about it. he's proud of it. all his allies stood behind him and they were proudly smiling while he was calling immigrants animals. it is a pretty sad state of affairs over there right now. >> setting aside the poisonous rhetoric here. i do wonder about trump and the

republican parties efforts to drum up fear about the border and really the southern border, not canadian border. they feel like they're playing some kind of winning strategy here. is there any credibility to that? >> reporter: well look with michigan, we are a border state, so we know what a healthy functioning border looks like. no one thinks that it is great right now. no one says that this is how business should be running at our southern border. you know, as someone who is a former cia officer and pentagon official, spent my entire career in homeland security. i don't know them like what's going on down there. but the question is why is it that donald trump isn't letting republicans negotiate on some sort of a bill, so that we could deal with the southern border? and i think that is just what will drive many of us, you know, crazy is that he comes in, he'll do a big rally. drum up all this energy and lie and call people animals. but then he'll stop the republicans from negotiating

with us on a deal. we had a bipartisan deal. and so i come from the pentagon in national security. if i would have said to any of my bosses, here is the number one national security issue that we've got to take care of it, we're vulnerable, but let's not do anything for another nine months because i need to make political hay out of it. i would be fired. he does it every single day, and all my republican colleagues who say they are worried about it will get in a room with us. i'm willing to listen to anybody and negotiate anything. but they are refusing to meet with us on it. so this guy is not serious about doing anything in the southern border, but serious about trying to win the election. it is frankly a little disturbing. >> yeah. in addition to the lack of sort of seriousness about policy and fixing the problem on the policy level. he is also very clearly trying to divide the country, right? i do wonder if democrats are not leaving some money on the table by not going harder after

trump on the race piece just because he very clearly is saying non-whites are poisoning the blood of the country. the racism is embedded in the message. you know, trump has seen games among the latinos and black voters in the country. i wonder if there is not some sort of way for democrats to carve out that support and bring it back across their side of the aisle. by focusing on inherently, you know, message that's central to trump's campaign. >> yeah. i think he's talked about it in this rally. so the problem is, you know, we are used to a world where people feel shame, right? people do something wrong, they feel shame, and they are embarrassed and they do something about it, they apologize. donald trump does not feel shame. so it is just a very difficult thing to highlight when he just

keeps doing it, keeps repeating it. yes, of course, i think it is the job of all of us who care about the country to highlight what he's saying in his own words what he'll do. you don't have to make up scenarios for what he'll do. he's telling us every day. if i don't win this election, it will probably be the last election in this country. so we don't have to make it up and it is our job to help shine a light on people who might be interested in voting for him. >> what do you make of biden's outreach? he was on the picket line with striking uaw workers. he has the endorsement of the uaw. and there have been some real retail policymaking. does that work get outshined by the fear in loathing that trump will sort of, you know, convey and bring with him when he arrives in town or do you think that he'll have a good

operation there, structurally, rhetorically? >> i mean i think the biden operation would have come in this state and they are there, hiring, opening offices. they're visible, which i think is important. but i don't think that it is any one visit or rally by president trump. i don't think that it is any one thing. i think if you are in michigan or the midwest, you've got to be speaking to their pocketbooks and kids. you've got to talk about what you'll do in their pocketbook and kids particularly with the economy right now. you need to make the case. for me i always think of michiganers as very practical people that we know what we can see with our own eyes. right now in michigan, we have a manufacturing renaissance that's going on. we have an electric vehicle battery plant going up in my district. we have 40 plus new factories in the state of michigan after 40 years of not building a new one. so people can see dirt moving. i think that matters to people. but it's not any one visit of people flying in, but making

the case every single days. and they are connected to what they really care about, their pocketbooks and kids. >> thank you so much for your time. we will be following this race intently. appreciate it. joining me now is nikki freed. it's great to see you. we will begin the show talking about the six-week abortion ban that will soon be in place in your state. i wonder on the biggest macro level, how much hope should they pin on this ballot amendment, this ballot measure, carrying democrats across the finish line at the top in the middle of the ticket in november? >> yes, the opening will kind of set the stage of exactly what we are having to live under. i was actually sleeping outside, protesting the six- week abortion ban when desantis signed in the cloak of darkness with the helicopter around while we were sleeping. the week before we have been

arrested for protesting abortion. so you are seeing at just four plus years of just suffocation from ron desantis and the republican maga in tallahassee. so what we have now is the abortion on november. what this will do is not only galvanize the democrats around the message, but it's not just democrats, but the republicans and the independence. almost one-third of our state is independence at this point who were tired of this extremism. so this will be an opportunity for us to get out our message, pull donald trump and the rest of the republicans here in florida finally accountable for what they have done to this state. >> that is a political reality and then, of course, on the ground reality for people in the state seeking reproductive choice. and then in neighboring states. i believe florida over 84,000 were reported in florida, which is an increase from 2022. there are states like georgia that have a six-week abortion ban that you have people coming elsewhere in the south that have become a choice desert,

flocking to florida. can you talk a little bit about what this means for the people of florida who may need abortions either life saving or otherwise and what the immediate future for them in the next few weeks is? >> yeah, this will be devastating. and to your point, it is not just for floridians, but the entire south. i mean we are all seeing these maps that will have red all over the south when they will have access to abortion. so florida, they were the last opportunity for the front lines, for so many women across the entire south. so now we've got the 15-week abortion ban that was held up in the courts yesterday, which then triggers the six-week abortion ban, which will go into effect now in roughly 29 days. so over the course of the next seven months until we finally have an opportunity for the people to vote back on this, you're going to hear stories like you're hearing earlier in the top of your show of these heartbreaking stories of women who are having to make these ultimate decisions, the decision that is just so private and so intimate that it

should only be between the woman, her doctor, and anybody else that she will allow into that space. certainly not politicians. but you're going to see women that are having to make these life altering decisions that will put themselves at risk, potentially, you know, future opportunities to have children. and these are going to be drastic ramifications here in the state of florida, but also for the entire south. >> yeah. i mean just the unusual nature of all of this is that the six- week abortion ban is going to come down in a matter of weeks. so florida women, they will live, you know, in the florida version of the handmaids tale and have the option, not just women, but all florida voters will have an option to try to pull the state back to the 21st or push the state back to the 21st century and go back to protected reproductive choice, which i would imagine is going to actually help the cause of choice, to be able to see what the alternative is in a concrete way before being given this choice on the actual ballot. >> yeah. i think that is exactly it and to the point that you'll have

the next seven months. the stories are coming out of what happens, which will be very clear here. a six-week abortion ban is an all-out ban. most women don't know they are pregnant at six weeks. so now you're going to have a state, which is for all intensive purposes, libertarian in nature. 77% of floridians did not want the six-week abortion ban, but we will be living under it. and they will bring it to light. the clear choice that they are going to have come november. do you want a six-week abortion ban or do you want access to reproductive healthcare? that is what the issue will be on the ballot. and then i say consistently across the country. don't count them out. we are here on the ground, fighting, carrying this message. making sure that people across the nation will understand that florida and the floridians, they are hungry for change and they are certainly going to be putting in that work to make sure that in november, we'll get access to reproductive healthcare back into our constitution and making sure

that we are winning seats up and down the ballot, who would have also signed that six-week abortion ban if he was still governor and donald trump who wants to take the national abortion ban to washington, d.c. that is a clear choice on the november ballot here in florida. protect the reproductive health and democracy. send rick scott packing and make sure that we re-elect joe biden in november of 2024. >> donald trump won the state by a little over three points in this ballot measure that will need a 60% threshold to pass. it is hard to see if it passes, that it does not go down to the benefits of democrats. nikki freed, thank you so much for your time today. >> thanks for having me on. there is a lot of news to get on today. this guy went from marching white supremacist in charlottesville to elected office. just a few minutes ago, his past caught up with him. we'll have more on that coming up next. plus the judge overseeing the prosecution of donald trump

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on march 1, judge aileen cannon overseeing trump's prosecution from his handling classified documents held a hearing about setting a new trial date. one month, one day later, we don't have the trial date. in the meantime he has asked lawyers on both sides of this case to do some fairly inexplicable homework. one assignment requires them to write a set of hypothetical instructions for a hypothetical jury that may or may not meet on a trial date that he has yet to set. the other assignment is due on friday, involving the so-called

speedy trial act, but don't let the name fool you. the likelihood is that it will do quite the opposite. joining me now is david, the former federal prosecutor and a columnist and the author of the stack newsletter, which has been scooping scoops in the recent weeks. it's great to have you on the program here. >> it's great to be here. >> why is the speedy trial assignment misnumbered according to some experts? >> because this trial is anything, but speedy. >> true. >> the speedy trial act will come from the sixth amendment, which will provide defendants to a right to a speedy and public trial that will set the various timelines. this trial as we know has been going very slowly. and judge cannon has asked the defendants to tell me why i'm not that slow. it is basically -- >> tell me why you don't need a speedy trial, donald trump. >> it's very interesting because it is suppose to protect the rights of each other. he does not want that speedy trial.

>> he is basically saying look, i've gone super slow so far, and thus in violation of the speedy trial act. help me tell myself and the law why i'm not in violation of it and that you actually want this? >> that is basically what they were saying that i totally agree with him. trying to give themselves some cover. >> but it feels like this snot the only area where she is kind of asking for cover from the defendant, from trump's team, right? and under the guys of asking everybody for these materials, that she's giving herself the sheet that she could rule in favor of trump. we'll talk about the motivation in a second. that she also has this weird request for jury instructions. and they require both the prosecution, the special counsel's office and the defense, trump's team, to tell jurors that trump actually has the authority to keep these classified documents under the presidential records act. i mean if they were, just correct me if i'm wrong here. if they were told that trump had the authority to keep these

classified documents, he would be found not guilty here, right? [ laughter ] >> i mean it's not that complicated, is it? >> this order is bizarre. it is sort of a choose your own adventure order. she lays out two possible views of the law and says give me the jury instructions under view a and b. the problem is they are both misstatements of the law. so i don't really know what jack smith is going to do. the instructions were due today. i've been checking, you know, news, twitter, whatnot. we haven't seen them yet. and it is basically an assignment. the special counsel, they can't agree to the premises. basically the instructions are either scenario a, can a jury find i made these personal. scenario b, i can decide trump, i can decide whether they are personal and nobody can review that. but the special counsel's position is it's irrelevant whether they are presidential. these documents are governed by the espionage act. what they have basically done,

she is conflating apples, oranges. they are separate statutes with separate classifications. she's kind of made a royal mess of this. >> you had some scoops earlier in the week about the staff departures inside cannon's chambers if you will. without getting to too much detail on who left when, one of the conclusions that you draw is that cannon is intelligent. but sounds like she's overwhelmed and very anxious and terrified of the scrutiny. can you talk about about how this case is playing out behind closed doors, informing some of the decisions she's making publicly? >> federal judges have the law clerks who are recent graduates of law school. really bright, hard working people. the judges cannot do their work without these clerks. they're essential. judge cannon has had a massive amount of turnovers in her chambers. typically clerks, they have two or three of them, and they stay

for a year or two years. in the past couple of months, she has lost two of them, and she also had another clerk who is going to come and basically said thanks, but no thanks. so she has to find new clerks. this really delays everything. everybody has to get up to speed, the new clerks on what's going on in all these cases. so i think that some of the delays in this case, they are not just because she is inexperienced at running complicated trials, just a function of her dysfunctional chambers. >> and that is downing to trump's benefit. i do think that there is a moment and it may be fast approaching, when don't you think jack smith will ask for another judge on this case? i mean given the missteps, the decisions that have been overwritten by the very conservative 11th circuit. does he just need one more strike before he says we've got to get rid of this judge? >> he is kind of in between a rock and a hard place. generally you get judges booted off cases because of conflicts of interest or bias. she is dice, but not necessarily in a way that's

easily influenced or have a personal relationship with trump. she doesn't own stock in a company that's implicated by the litigations. that's the reason why judges usually get booted. so she is just garden variety messing up the case. that happens all the time. >> but isn't that enough? when you say the judge is messing up the case, is that not sufficient? >> unfortunately in our legal system, you know, smith is if a tough position. i'm sure he would love to get a new judge. it is kind of like doing deaf com three, a big escalation to say give me a new judge. it's kind of weird that we have not gotten his response yet to the weird jury selection thing. like is he going to go to the 11th circuit? it's bizarre. >> it's 9:30 p.m. on the east coast. florida is in our time zone. david, you have a great article that i suggest everybody read and about why we may want to put more stock in these civil cases rather than the criminal ones, and the discussion that we had tonight only proves you're right. great to see you. thank you for joining me tonight.

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being discriminated against, not the other way around. and they are not the only ones making that argument. >> every institution in america is under attack from this concept of equity instead of treating everyone equally, making decisions based on merit or qualifications. that policies are enforced based on skin color and sexual identity. >> yes, the con e september of equity. now the logic of this argument is that we should ignore inequities like the ones that exist throughout american life and housing and schools and work and in policing. trying to write those institutional wrongs would be reverse racism. as illogical as that is, it is politically potent. the groups pushing this argument are gaining ground. in the past few years,

republicans across the country have introduced antidiversity equity inclusion laws in more than 30 states. axios reported if trump gets a second term, his allies are already laying the ground work, legally speaking, for the justice department to eliminate or upend programs in governments and corporate america that are designed to counterracism. so now the question is how potent is white grievance at the ballot box? tonight we just got an election result in oklahoma for a recall election who could serve as a test on these subjects. these are photos from the white national tiki rally. the arrows are pointing at a man who chanted jews will not replace us that day, and he is now a city commissioner in enid, oklahoma. not only was blevins an active leader from 2017 to 2019 in the

white nationalist group, but in the leadup to the charlottesville march, he made online posts under the name conway, including stuff like hitler would never allow this bleep. >> this is the primary audio circuit. and tonight the city of enid voted on whether to recall mr. blevins. and they are the real victims of racism. this was blevins response to the real first question, when he was asked about the national group like identity europa. >> it is bringing attention to the same issues that got donald trump elected in 2016. securing the borders, and legal immigration system, and frankly pushing back anti-white hatred that is so common in media and

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red. he goes oh, that's what it had is about? >> that's connie vigors and nancy presnall. two of the women who helped spearhead the efforts to recall enid, oklahoma city council member. after discovering a photo of him marching with the tiki torch, the two women say they knew they had to do something. along with the group they formed to recall blevins, they organized a signature drive that secured hundreds of signatures, which was more than necessary to spark today's recall vote. and now tonight thanks to that vote, blevins is out of the enid city council, he'll be replaced by republican cheryl patterson. joining me now is brandy, nbc news senior reporter live from the recall watch party in enid, oklahoma. thank you so much for just putting this on our radar, being live on the scene as the results are coming in here. to what degree?

can you give us the picture of the grassroots efforts to oust them from the city council? >> yeah. you can take a look at this room. i'm at the watch party of the social justice committee. a small group of people who have had a huge affect on their community especially in terms of white supremacy and extremism. now the folks around me are all very different. they have different ideas. some of them are democrats. some are very progressive. but they have come together and they came together in 2013 when he was elected. now we knew a little bit about his past, some stuff was on the internet. but these are the folks that you would just show connie and nancy. the folks who really just wouldn't let go. they kept going to city council meetings, holding the picture him up. they wouldn't let it go. and now for me and for all the people here, it just shows the power of what a small group of

organized people with a goal can do. >> so just to be clear, i think you said 2013, but blevins has been in office since 2023 i believe. and enid, i believe republicans have a four to one advantage in voter registration. white grievance is a central part of their platform at this stage. i wonder from your reporting whether you've gotten the sense that this kind of white supremacy and the great replacement theory that is very much something that mr. blevins embraced, whether that actually didn't find favor within the republicans, the republican community in enid or whether this is largely a democratic progressive grassroots effort. >> reporter: that's a part of the story that is a part of this win for progressives here. they couldn't have done it alone, right? there are conservative republicans in enid including the mayor, cheryl patterson who

just won the seat, who are conservative republicans. but who can recognize extremism when they saw it and said this is a bridge too far. we don't want nazis in our city council, which seems kind of like a low bar, but an important line to draw. it's worth saying that blevins lost this race. he lost it handedly by a 20- point margin. but still, 1,400 people voted, right? there was 30 something percent of the people who did vote for blevins even knowing all this stuff. when you talk about white grievance and the fact these have mainstream support in the republican party, you're not wrong. but again it does show what happens when progressive folks, democrats, republicans who say this is a bridge too far can come together and draw a line. >> it's worth noting this is happening on the same night that donald trump in michigan is calling undocumented

migrants animals, suggesting a whole subsection of american society are subhuman. i just wonder is there any connection towards that sort of poison rhetoric and what blevins stands for? do they see these things as apples and oranges, the neo- nazi ties and this platform upon which trump is running? >> i can only talk right now about enid, oklahoma. but i have been talking to conservative republicans at the polls all day. most of the people in the city council are all conservative republicans. and for those folks, i do think that they definitely can draw a line between the things that they saw. supremacist, to the things that they see in mainstream conservative politics. i've talked to a bunch about that very thing today. they see here that there is something poisonous in a section of the republican party, and at least in enid they were able to cut it out

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from a hunger point of view, how do you see the situation in gaza right now? >> the situation in gaza is, as we all know, incredibly bad it's going to require all of us working together, making efforts to seize any way possible to bring meals into gaza. >> the woman in that video from a month ago was an australian humanitarian working with the world central kitchen, the nonprofit founded by chef jose

andres, whose mission is to provide meals for people in need in disaster zones all over the world. fran, helped operate world central kitchen's 68 community kitchens inside gaza, which provided food to some of the hundreds of thousands of civilians on the brink of famine there. last night fran, and six of her fellow aid workers at world central kitchen, including an american citizen, were killed by an israeli airstrike worker despite coordinating their movements with the israeli military and traveling in vehicles marked with the world central kitchen logo, multiple vehicles in the group's convoy were hit after leaving a food warehouse in central gaza. israeli prime minister netanyahu responded today by saying the israeli military unintentionally hit innocent people in the gaza strip. this happens in war, and so we will do everything so that this thing does not happen again.

world central kitchen and other aid groups have now suspended operations in gaza at a time when the u.n. estimates that more than half of all palestinians in gaza, 1.1 million people, have completely exhausted their food supplies. joining me now is karen donnelly, senior vice president for crisis response, recovery and development at the international rescue committee. thank you for joining me tonight. i first want to get your reaction to this statement from prime minister netanyahu. this happens in war. is that a sufficient explanation for what happened? >> let me start by offering my sincere condolences to the families of those who were killed yesterday in the world central kitchen and around the world and what happened yesterday was a really appalling incident did didn't happen in isolation. the seven aid workers killed yesterday brought the total number of aid workers killed over the last several months in gaza to over 200. that's in addition to 350

approximately healthcare workers that have been killed. so what we've seen, and i should specify the majority of those of course have been palestinian, almost all of them until yesterday that have been killed have been palestinian aid workers, healthcare workers. what we've seen over the months in gaza that come up to this war is the systematic pattern of targeting attacks on aid agency operations, humanitarian operations in many facilities. of course things happen in war. that is simply not a good enough explanation for the systematic pattern that we've seen unfold over the last several months. >> you talk about systematic attacks. for people who don't understand, can you talk about the precautions that aid organizations take in crisis zones and war zones? it sounds like world central kitchen went out of their way to try and mark their staff as noncombatants. how unusual is it to get targeted in a moment like this? >> across the world, wherever humanitarian agencies are operating, we take great care to separate ourselves from

political and military and security actors. we are there to serve noncombatants. we are there to serve civilians, serve people who are affected by the wars in midst of which we are operating. that means that extinguishing -- justin winger hours facilities, also sharing locations with actors like the israeli authorities so they can take all the precautions as they are required to do under international law to save our humanitarian action. despite those precautions, which agencies in gaza have been taken four months, we have seen this continued recognition of attacks against humanitarian operations. we called the d confliction system, the process by which we share and coordinate share movement plans and with israeli forces and in that system it's effectively broken in gaza today. >> my next question would be just what is the broader effect on the agency still operating in the region and what kind of

effect does it have on them and their personal. >> it's important to note that for organizations like ourselves, we are already operating on a much lower level of capacity than we should be, then we would want to be, given the security situation on the ground, which makes it difficult and dangerous for our staff, our partners to deliver aid, to be able to access and receive aid and continued attacks like the one that we saw yesterday are only going to have a further negative impact on our ability to work inside gaza. >> this is coming is 32,916 gazans have died since october 7. 70% of people are at catastrophic levels of hunger. karen donelan with the irc, thank you for joining me in sharing this information. i really appreciate it. that is our show for tonight. now it is time for the last word with ali velshi, he was in for lawrence. >> not your biggest