right now on "andrea mitchell reports," new international criticism of the israeli military after seven aide workers with world central kitchen are killed by a strike on gaza late monday, including a dual american canadian citizen. >> these people are heroes. they run into the fire, not away from it. they show the best of what humanity has to offer when the going really gets tough. they have to be protected. also, former president trump back on the campaign trail in michigan and wisconsin today after posting that big $175 million bond stemming from the civil fraud ruling against him in new york. all as abortion becomes a top election issue in his new home state. we will bring you andrea's interview with a top british official on the partnership between the u.s. and uk to combat potential threats from artificial intelligence.

♪♪ good day. i'm garrett haake in washington. andrea is on assignment. we begin with new tragedy in gaga. seven members of the world central kitchen have been killed, including one american. the aide workers were leaving a food warehouse when their armored vehicles were hit in an israeli air strike. the u.s.-based charity halted operations and is returning aid back to cyprus. the victims include a dual u.s. canadian citizen as well as british, polish and palestinian citizenship. the founder of world central kitchen is heartbroken, calling the victims angels, insisting the israeli government needs to stop this indiscriminate killing, it needs to stop restricting humanitarian aid and killing civilians and aide

workers and stop using food as a weapon. benjamin netanyahu said, unfortunately in the last day there was a tragic case of our forces unintentionally hitting innocent people in gaza strip. this happens in wartime. we are looking into it. the organization was the first to bring desperately needed food to gaza by sea. he spoke about his mission on "today." >> we need to do everyday shipments to the north. we can solve the hunger problem in the north. everybody working together, we can be successful. >> bless you. >> tony blinken expressing his condolences. >> we have impressed upon the israelis the imperative of doing more to protect innocent civilian lives, be they palestinian children, women and men, or be they aide workers. as well as to get more humanitarian assistance to more people more effectively. >> joining me now is josh lederman. this incident has started a new

round of outrage around the world, spotlighting the issue of civilians and particularly aide workers killed in gaza. what else can you tell us about what happened? >> reporter: as you can imagine, the global condemnation is pouring in from all over the world, from parts of the arab world or countries like jordan that have made peace with israel, are calling this a war crime to the countries that lost their own citizens in this tragedy, the u.s., the uk, australia and poland. those governments now have to explain to grieving families how it is that a country, israel, that they have largely stood behind, went and killed one of their own citizens who was simply trying to bring food to people who are on the verge of famine. all of those countries have now demanded an immediate explanation and investigation from israel. here in the uk, the government summoned the israeli ambassador. the u.s. also expressing concern. i think the other big concern

here right now is, how is this going to hamper those humanitarian efforts going forward? obviously, world central kitchen paused operations. i heard from two other organizations doing work on the ground in gaza who say they feel like it's too dangerous for them to continue with their humanitarian relief efforts. the uae said the same thing. suffice it to say, this is the very last thing that civilians in the gaza strip needed right now. >> absolutely. josh, one of the victims killed may be familiar to our viewers. she spoke with chris jansing last september about world central kitchen's efforts following the earthquake in morocco. what do we know about her? >> reporter: this hits home for our viewers and our msnbc family. she had been on the ground in gaza for some time to bring not only food but also clean water to individuals in need there. when she spoke to us last year

during that earthquake in morocco, she described how she saw the mission that she was carrying out not just about bringing food and water, but also about restoring dignity and hope. take a listen. >> world central kitchen is an outreach. we are focused on overcoming every obstacle, every challenge to be able to serve up hope and dignity in the form of fresh meals and fresh drinking water. >> reporter: the prime minister of australia are among those mourning her death. he said she made a career out of going to some of the most dangerous places on earth, simply to try to help people in need, people she didn't even know. the australian government now among those demanding answers from the israeli government. >> josh in london. thank you. i want to bring in the

international rescue committee's senior president for development. thank you for being with us. josh was talking about how much more dangerous this makes work for aide workers in gaza. talk to me about your reaction and what you think this will do to affect the aid efforts. >> first thing to be said is this is a horrible tragedy for the families of those affected. our hearts and condolences go to them and the world central kitchen staff who are grieving today. this incident is not an isolated incident. it comes against a backdrop we have to recognize the context of, a systematic pattern of attacks against aid facilities, medical facilities. over 200 aide workers killed, predominantly u.n. staff but also from the ngo community, including this latest incident.

of course, that takes place against the wider context of over 32,000 palestinians having been killed, 1.1 million living in famine conditions today, over half the population. the aid effort is struggling to reach those most in need. we are hampered by the blockages of aid getting into gaza. the restrictions on the flow of aid and the nature of aid being delivered. and by the security situation. the conduct of the war which makes it very dangerous not just for aid agencies to operate and limits our ability to reach those in need but makes it dangerous for people to access services. this incident is one -- the latest incident in a pattern of attacks. they're going to continue hampering the ability of aid organizations, ngos and u.n. alike to reach palestinians who need our support. >> world central kitchen in particular had been working hard to set up logistics to bring in aid by sea. they just got started on that.

how big of a player were they on the ground of feeding hungry people in gaza? what does this mean for addressing the famine conditions there? >> central kitchen been an important part of bringing food to people in gaza. the efforts to bring food in by sea will -- any delivery of aid in that terrible condition on the ground is welcome and important. it's also really important to be clear that maritime deliveries and air drops that we have seen in recent weeks can't be a substitute for reopening the land borders. in order to get the volumes of aid to people who need it in the time frames needed to avert a further worsening of what's a catastrophic situation for people on the ground, we need to open up land borders and allow those trucks that are in rafah and elsewhere to get in and then we need a cease-fire on the ground in order to provide sufficient safety and security

for aid agencies and people to access aid. think about the risks people are facing to be able to get to distributions, to get to hospitals as well. >> i don't know if you heard the comment from prime minister netanyahu that i read at the start. he talks about the fact that this is the kind of thing, however unfortunate, that happens in war, his argument. if that's the case, if you are not going to see a cease-fire, what can be done in the context of a hot war on the ground to better protect aide workers who, thank god, will continue doing this important work regardless of the situation there? >> there have been over 200 aide workers and over 300 medical staff killed in gaza in the last several months of war. is there no way to conduct a war in a context like gaza that's compatible with the requirements of international humanitarian law. simply, the only viable way to protect palestinians in the

first instance but also to protect aid agencies and those serving them is to bring about an end to the war, the only way to bring about a release of the hostages. stop fighting, allow talks to proceed. that's the only viable way forward from our perspective. >> we have to leave it there. thank you for sharing your expertise with us today. >> thank you. back on the trail. former president trump returns to the campaign circuit after weeks spent in courtrooms and posting the big bond in manhattan. what's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds only on msnbc. me shr edd. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. power e*trade's easy to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades

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calling biden's border bloodbath. border security has been a motivator among republican voters. democrats are betting on abortion doing the same thing for their base. perhaps including in florida, which has become a reliable red state in the past decade. the supreme court there paving the way for a six-week abortion ban to take affect next month. but also giving voters a chance to weigh in directly by allowing the vote to enshrine abortion rights up to 26 weeks to appeal on the ballot this fall. abortion rights backers in arizona say they have enough signatures to get on the ballot there this fall. shaquille brewster is awaiting the former president's arrival in grand rapids. here with me is yamiche alcindor. shaq, what do we expect to hear from the former president today when he is talking immigration with midwestern voters? >> reporter: in short, it's that he will be stronger on the issue of immigration, stronger on the issue specifically of border security than joe biden.

in two hours we will see donald trump hold a roundtable discussion with local elected leaders, party leaders and members of law enforcement and give that speech where we are expected to hear a lot about 25-year-old ruby garcia. garcia is someone who police say was killed last month in the grand rapids area by her boyfriend who they say was here in the united states illegally after being deported in 2020. it's a case that has been really top of mind for many republicans here and something you have heard from the trump campaign a few minutes ago. i have been talking to voters in kent county. it's a county that biden flipped in 2020. to see if the language we will hear from the former president is something that connects with them. i talked to one person who voted for nikki haley in february who said it was because of the rhetoric that she was less likely to support donald trump

in the general election. here is what two other voters had to say. >> to take out one individual example and to try to form an entire policy involving millions of people around it seems to me to be a little bit of scare tactic. >> with immigration and the problem at our border, it needs to be in control. i have no problem with anybody coming over. it would be great to have the paperwork and being able to make sure that we are not letting all the criminals come over. >> reporter: the biden campaign is saying that trump is essentially using a tragedy. the dnc is up with new billboards in the area highlighting that it was president biden who backed a bipartisan border bill and it was donald trump who helped block it that would have done something to increase border security.

just in the past couple of minutes, we saw local democrats have a press conference here where they said, this is the reason why that trump -- the reason why trump killed that bill, saying that he wanted to use it for political points rather than addressing the hard issue. >> shaq brewster in michigan. we turn now to yamiche alcindor. this ballot measure in florida needs a 60% supermajority to pass. it might not need to pass to have an impact on florida. walk me through what we expect to see happen there, whether it will galvanize voters. >> we will see a fight in florida. you will have advocates who are pro-abortion access trying to get this passed. that being said, we have seen in the seven times where we saw abortion rights issues on a ballot initiative, people that are in favor of more access to abortion have won every single time. remember the 2022 midterms where

democrats were able to stave off what was going to be a red wave everyone was talking about. it ended up being a red ripple. they did get the house by a small majority. you see here going to be advocates in florida trying to build on the success others have had. florida, as you noted, it's a red state. i was talking to an abortion rights leader yesterday who cautioned the idea that just because this ballot initiative is on there, that they will have democrats winning in big numbers, because they said people who don't want the government in their private affairs when it comes to abortion may be people who don't want gun restrictions and other things the government might try to regulate. there could be conservative voters who like this but who vote for republicans. >> i think about kansas is the other example of a red state where an initiative like this passed. but it was alone, not in with a general election. talk to me about the practical implications of this ruling that would allow the six-week ban to

go into place. florida had been an oasis in a hostile environment. >> when you look at abortion rights -- we have go back to our u.s. map and look at what are the states that are around florida. you have states like alabama, texas, louisiana, states where women were driving hours to get to florida. florida was orange. but look at the red states. those are red being that they are the most restrictive. not just republican but the most restrictive abortion access. now they say there will be an abortion rights desert in the south. that is what conservative advocates have been pushing for. they want more restrictive abortion rights. they have had a lot of success in the south. now florida with this going into affect on may 1st, temporarily, it's going to be banned for six weeks. it could change. >> florida got more interesting

from a political perspective. thank you. we will bring in brendan buck and robert gibbs. robert, i will start with you. the biden campaign jumped on this ruling. they say florida is winnable. there are no democrats in statewide elected roles in florida. the state hasn't sent a democrat to the white house or senate in more than a decade. is this fool's gold? >> it's probably a little too early to say that it's fool's gold. as you mentioned, where this issue has been on the ballot in ohio, in kansas, in other places, they have won every single time. whether or not there's enough to bring out enough democrats to win in a presidential year, i think it's too early to tell. it makes florida extraordinarily interesting.

you mentioned also that arizona is likely now to have a ballot measure. we know how close a swing state that is. we also know very clearly from what's happened in 2022 and 2023 and now into 2024, this is an amazingly potent issue for democrats. they will use it throughout this election campaign. >> i am skeptical whether there's enough time left -- if it's not too late, if there's enough time left to organize around this issue. you are the pros. for that i will turn to brendan. how do you view this from the republican perspective? if it's not an issue that can go up to the presidential ticket, should a rick scott be concerned about this? should other florida republicans be concerned about this issue on their ballot this fall? >> you can't take for granted it's not going to be a problem. there's plenty of time to organize this. this has been front and center for people for a number of years now. i don't think that this is going to turn florida blue.

i don't. rick scott is not the strongest incumbent. i think he needs to take it seriously. this is a new reality. this is going to scramble turnout models we have not seen in a while. you have a large group of voters who are voting largely on one issue. they're going to vote against you. you can't take anything for granted. you need to come out. the reality is, republicans haven't figured out a way to fight back on this. you have seen republicans try to bury their head in the sand. you have seen republicans try to fight back by calling democrats extr extremists. but it hasn't worked. i don't know we have any expectation that florida republicans are going to have some magic answer that's going to make this issue less potent for the other side. >> the two of you agree on the timing issue. i will take my lumps on that. to your point about nobody really knows how to deal with it the trump campaign's initial statement reacting to this today was kind of all over the place.

it suggested that the former president is in favor of restrictions on abortion rights, or in favor of protecting life was the language they used, but he thinks it's an issue for the voters. if he is embracing these kinds of ballot measures, there's a huge wretch in the republican strategy to keep these measures off the ballot. that suggests to me the evolving playbook on the republican side for how exactly do you de-fang this issue? can you? >> i will be interested to see what donald trump does. he is as responsible as anybody for the current situation on abortion. he is also -- it's not a natural fit for him to be a pro-life champion. we know that it has not long been his personal position. it would not surprise me if he tries to contrast himself with some of the provisions in some of the states that are much more extreme. we know it's been reported he has been kicking around a

16-week ban and maybe tries to position himself as a moderate on this issue. i wouldn't be surprised if that's what he does. i think any time republicans are talking about this issue, they are losing. i don't know that donald trump has the magic to get out of that himself either. >> robert, donald trump himself heads to wisconsin today. there's a primary there today. i think we probably know who is going to win. the thing a lot of us are watching are the democratic votes for uninstructed, which is the uncommitted wisconsin. organizers of that effort in wisconsin say they are aiming for something like 20,000 votes. they want to mirror biden's victory over trump. at what point does this go as a nuisance to a serious problem? is there any mechanism for him to bring them back into the fold short of this ending tomorrow? >> the biden administration has

to keep the pressure up on the netanyahu government to change certainly some of its actions. we have seen news in the last 24 hours, more tragedy around aide workers that have tragically been killed. what's important to understand for not to denigrate what people are believing in voting unaffiliated, this is a bit of a free vote. there's not a concern who will win the wisconsin primary or what the delegates are going to look like. i think when we get into a general election, a fierce again -- again -- general election, people have to make a certain set of other decisions about whether they think the things they feel most strongly about are going to be taken better care of by donald trump or by joe biden. i think you will have democrats come back into the fold and swing voters who will make those

decisions as well. >> it's a big bet and one with a lot of moving parts between now and when people start casting their ballots. brendan and robert, thank you both for your expertise. up next, money matters. former president trump posts that massive $175 million bond. there are plenty of financial and other legal hurdles ahead for him. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. s" only c with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ in theaters now. i found a cheaper price on my meds with singlecare. did you say singlecare? i use singlecare. whenever my customers ask me if there's a cheaper price on their meds. i always tell them about singlecare. i found a cheaper price with singlecare! i know. download the singlecare app free today.

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days before the deadline, which would have put his properties at risk, donald trump posted that $175 million bond. averting the seizure of his assets while he appeals having to pay the nearly half a billion dollar judgment he owes. after continuous attacks against his daughter, the new york judge, who is overseeing the criminal hush money trial, expanded the gag order against mr. trump to include the family members of those involved in the trial. joining me now, harry litman, and jonathan lemire. harry, we know trump is potentially on the hook for the full judgment. what's the time line for his appeal? how is this going to play out? >> the appeal goes forward. it's already begun. this was just the price to keep the ag from actually executing on the judgment, which happened over 30 days ago.

now the appeal goes forward. i think it will take a while. the appellate division tends to take a while. i don't think we will know for a year. there's no wrigling out of if. it's a straight up -- nearly half a billion dollar judgment. >> what do we know about the person who underwrote trump's bond? talk to me how stretched his finances are and the uncharted territory about campaign finance, when you have somebody writing a $175 million trump on trump's behalf. >> it's somebody who lent him money before and thinks he is good for it. we are in a new place. we never had a former president be on the hook for this kind of settlement. even just the bond. he could very well have to pay the entire judgment. there are parallels to what we

are seeing with the former president's social media company where people are trying to invest in that as well. it feels like it's a direction transfer of wealth, an effort to curry favor and influence with trump were he to gain office. there are campaign finance experts who will scrutinize this. harry could speak better to that than i can. it goes -- reflects the challenges that this particular candidate faces where he is someone who not only is on the hook for this money, but someone who is struggling to raise money. he can't use -- when he raises money for his campaign, he candidate use that for the civil judgment. he has other legal bills which he is desperate to pay and he can use money to help pay. that's going to put him in a further financial disadvantage to president biden. >> it's fascinating. you have the wealthiest person

to run for president who is cornered in all these ways in which he needs more cash now. harry, i want to go back to the order. the reasoning he lays out for this expanded gag order is fascinating. this is written by someone's whose daughter is on the receiving end of trump's social media posts. how is the judge going to police this? what happens if donald trump violates this order as he is almost being dared to do? >> right. first, i want to say, it's a new day in trump gag order land. as was clear from those sentences, we have have a trial that's about to start with jury selection in less than two weeks. he has to protect that, the witnesses there.

that's not the case in d.c. that gives a big arrow in his quiver. the dilemma with trump, i'm serious, mr. trump, until you get to next time you go to jail. he did direct a very interesting point in the opinion. he said, maybe if he continues to be like this, we will keep him from knowing the names of the jurors. that's a different kind of sanction. it's one that puts him a little with a hand tied behind his back. otherwise, you have the problem with trump that he wants to dare them to put him in jail, because it's part of his political martyr complex. >> how close can he get to the line? jonathan, my colleagues broke that hope hicks would be toughing in the hush money trial. she was an early and close trump aide. why is she relevant to this case? what do we expect to hear?

>> yeah. there's very little that would have happened in trump world in 2015, 2016 up until 2020 that hope hicks wouldn't be aware. she was one of the closest advisors. she was one of the first campaign staffers he hired in the summer of 2015 as he began at that time the bid for the presidency and became successful. she became the campaign press secretary and a trusted aide before departing and coming back ahead of the 2020 election. it does not appear she's really involved, not in any meaningful, in his 2024 bid. she's someone who would have been there in the early months when this alleged hush money payment, channelled through michael cohen, would have gone to stormy daniels. it's not surprising they would bring in hope hicks and people like her to testify. we keep saying, uncharted waters. the first sitting president and

current nominee to be sitting for a criminal trial. he is doing so in two weeks. >> hard to believe. here we are. harry and jonathan, thank you both for your reporting and expertise. coming up, salvage operation. an update on the massive undertaking to clear the river after last week's key bridge collapse. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. which ma different doctor. find a t-e-d eye specialist at isitted.com. ♪ that colonoscopy for getting screened ♪ ♪ is why i'm delaying ♪ ♪ i heard i had a choice ♪ ♪ i know the name, that's what i'm saying ♪ -cologuard®? -cologuard. cologuard! -screen for colon cancer. -at home, like you want. -you the man! -actually, he's a box. cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard.

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continuing their cleanup of the collapses francis scott key bridge, moving a 200 ton section of the bridge on sunday, yesterday, opening a channel to allow small vessels to pass through the port. officials are hoping for a swift as possible of a cleanup with the governor sounding the alarm on the implications of the collapse not just on baltimore but the country. joining me now is tom costello who has been following this since the moment it broke. 200 tons seems like a lot. probably not in the context of the whole bridge. what do we know about the alternate channel? >> that channel is really only for the ships, barges, tugs that are on the operation. this is not going to be a channel that will handle big cargo vessels. it isn't deep enough, wide enough. they have to prioritize who gets in and out. we have new images. these are navy sonar images. hold it right there and freeze it. it takes a minute to understand

what we are looking at. you are looking at 3d sonar images from the navy that show the ship wreckage on the riverbed. it's so cloudy, so dark that when you try to get down there and take a video and shine a light on it, it's like driving in a snowstorm. the light comes back at you. literally, these divers have as much -- about a foot or so of visibility. this is all they got. as you can see, it's very difficult to plan how you are going to cut these pieces up when that's as good as it gets. the divers are in great danger when they go down there, because the wreckage, the metal is so sharp. it can literally tear their suit and oxygen lines. they have to be so careful. this is going to take a while. the video we have been showing of the efforts that are above the water, cutting apart these

big trusses that are part of the bridge expansion. there they are right there. this is not an easy job. keeping in mind, that na crane they brought in on friday can lift 1,000 tons. the total weight of this piece of bridge is three to 4,000 tons. it's going to take a long time. complicated because so much is underwater and it's to dangerous. >> what is a very long time in bridge disassemble terms? months, years? >> when i was there -- i left friday night. they were saying maybe a month. now it is becoming very clear that it's so complicated underwater. that may be even aggressive. in terms of when they can reopen the port. a month is the best case scenario. they don't want to put lives at stake. that's the risk when you put drivers in the water.

that's just to open the port. >> thank you. united front. the u.s. and uk working together to combat the potential negative impact of the a.i. revolution. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnb.

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the u.s. and uk have launched a new partnership on a.i. safety. the secretary of commerce and the uk's secretary of state for

science, information and technology made the announcement yesterday. together, we are furthering the special relationship between our nations and laying the groundwork to ensure we are keeping a.i. safe. andrea mitchell with the uk tech secretary about this new collaboration. >> joining me now is the uk secretary of state for science, innovation and technology. welcome. thanks for being here. the u.s. and the uk are working together on artificial intelligence. this is an unusual partnership. why is it so important? >> the world's first agreement of that nature. our two institutes that are focusing on safety are going to work in lockstep together so that we can develop our approaching to evaluating a.i. models so that be can stay at the forefront of this technology that's going to define the generations to come. the reason why we want to do

this is so we can get all of the great advantages into our public services and deploy for our nations. we can only do that if we grip the risks. we are working at the forefront of this agenda in lockstep together. >> of course, here in the u.s., we are very concerned about it in terms of election security. >> yes. >> deepfakes and all kinds of false information. we have enough misinformation out there already in our elections. that's a real important goal here notice u.s. >> and across the globe. we have to remember that the majority of countries that are democratic nations are going to the polls within the next two years. it's top of all of our minds. it's why i personally put it on agenda at the first international summit that we organized in the uk back in november at which the united states played a role with the vice president attending and

secretary ramondo. that started a conversation for the real cutting-edge of a.i. today, the agreement that we have fostered with the united states shows that we are the driving force behind that international work when it comes to safety. >> is the goal to regulate, to find protocols that can actually be used to detect these deepfakes when they are used for ill purposes? >> when it comes to elections, there is no when it comes to el there is no silver bullet solution. what we need to do is work closely together on this topic, and explore all options from detection software to how social media companies will react to the processes that we will all have in place, and that's something that our national security teams are also talking about. when it comes to a.i. in

general, what we have done in the uk is established the world's first ever institute that is fully functioning, up and running, already testing models both pre and post deployment. it is no accident that the united states announced the creation of their institute at our summit. we're working hand and hand together. and what we're doing is agreeing a way in which our institutes will work together, they'll share expertise, they will share information and enable us to evaluate the models more effectively, more efficiently, to be able to specialize in certain areas so that we can divide and conquer and i think it speakers to our long-standing deep partnership that together, yet again, we are leading the way in what is going to define the generations to come and that is this technology because it will alter the way we live, the way we work, the way that we interact. we got to make sure it is a force for good by gripping those

risks. >> it is also a major factor in education, with students using a.i. and, you know, how does the whole education system, the university system manage this? >> it is also a real force for good in education. that's a really good example of a use case where it can enable teachers and practitioners to have more time in the classroom, and more time having that added value, nurturing and inspiring individuals and less time doing some of the admin and bureaucracy. and we have a goal in the uk to make sure that every teacher has in a sense an a.i. assistant when it comes to education, helping them and supporting them. but you're right, there are risks indeed with plagiarism, et cetera, that's where we need to make sure we are highlighting the -- and raising awareness of a.i. and how it can be used not only in -- for good, but also for bad too. >> well, it is so fascinating, just to think historically, the

u.s. will -- you led the way against the germans with cryptography and trying to break codes and that's why a lot of work was done and the alliance during world war ii. thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> that's why we call it "andrea mitchell reports." coming up, direct line high level diplomacy between president biden and china's president xi. we'll bring you all the details next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. xt this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc

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for the first time in months, president biden spoke with chinese president xi jinping today. the two leaders last met in california this past november. and before that, in bali in november of 2022. last phone call between the two was held in july of that year. joining us now with more from beijing, nbc news foreign correspondent janis mackey

frayer. what more can you tell us about this call? why it happened? what prompted it? i imagine as i pointed out these two are not just folks who pick up the phone to chat with one another. >> reporter: well, this is their first one on one conversation since meeting last november. a call the white house describes as a way to check in and to raise a host of issues. and they did just that. according to a readout from the white house, quote, the two leaders held a candid and constructive discussion on a range of bilateral, regional and global issues. and for president biden, that meant an opportunity to raise tension over taiwan, north korea, as well as russia's war in ukraine. and he also raised cybersecurity threats, especially ahead of the u.s. election. the chinese side, according to their readout, led a lengthy discussion on u.s./china relations, pointing out they have stabilized since last november, but that there are

also fresh challenges, in particular for xi jinping, criticizing the u.s. sanctions against chinese companies, a list that is, quote, getting longer and longer. now, the call was requested by president biden, but the timing is very purposeful. treasury secretary janet yellen is due to arrive here in china, before the end of the week. she is already talking about concerns of chinese overcapacity in exports and as well it was revealed in the call that secretary of state antony blinken will visit china before the end of the year. and another thing that is worth noting in terms of timing, garrett, is that japan's prime minister, fumio kishida, will be at the white house next week for a state visit and he will also be giving a speech to congress. and the major topic of that speech is going to be regional security, friction, and chinese aggression in the south china sea. that's worth noting as well. >> janis, i only have 30

seconds. should we take all of this to broadly put us in a thaw from what we saw in november? that came obviously after all the balloon episode, and now are we in a better place overall in your view? >> reporter: it is in a better place because it couldn't have been in a worse place. relations have stabilized, but the two sides are far apart on a range of issues. coming out of that meeting in november, president biden and president xi said that they agree to pick up the phone more often, and that's what they did today. so, in that way, it marks another milestone. >> we'll take it. janis mackey frayer, thank you for that reporting. that will do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will be back tomorrow. follow the show on social media on mitchell reports. follow me on x and instagram at garrett haake. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris janng live at msnbc headquarters in