on the eclipse craze from sonic's blackout slush float to sun chips launching a special solar eclipse bag. only available for the short duration of the event itself. all to ensure business won't be eclipsed by the dark side of the moon. >> morgan chesky, that was a good closing line. i have been planning this for a year. cleveland here i come. that's going to do it for this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports," we are here every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now ♪♪ good to be with you, i'm katy tur. the presumptive nominee for the republican party is on the attack going after judges, their family members, prosecutors, and their teams. democrats running against him, republicans not sufficiently

loyal to him. voters not sufficiently pure enough either in the first choice of a candidate, as in the case of haley voters or in their religion, in the case of jews who don't vote republican. the list of political enemies gets longer and longer and while this isn't new, it's trump being trump, after all, some republicans worry it's not helping him in november, in the same way condemning vote by mail cost him in 2020. condemning anyone who questions him or maybe doesn't have him as their first choice might cost him in 2024. there's vaughn. if not in total viewers. and in republicans' ability to keep the house or win back the senate. you're seeing the sausage being made, folks. the former president quote, needs to be sensitive to where he's strong and where he's weak in the political map. joining us now, as i mentioned, nbc news correspondent vaughn

hillyard whose face you saw half of a moment ago, "new york times" political correspondent who wrote a new piece on trump and evangelicals, mike bender joins us as well, and dispatch senior writer and author of "in trump's shadow," david drucker. good to have you. vaughn, there are clearly concerns about what trump being trump means to down ballot voters. does the campaign have any concerns about trump being trump? or is the campaign only about trump and that's all? >> trump being trump is how they feel like they won in 2016, and how donald trump claims he won in 2020, and if you look in 2016, he won 90% of the republican vote. in 2020, he won 94% of it. they intend to win that gop vote again, and a fraction of independents. going to green way to cover his campaign rally, and in 2016 to 2020, he lost 25% of independents. and so that is where you have seen donald trump take this from being less so a republican

versus democrat race and trying to turn this more of an us versus them, and not only hits the politics and policy level but also on the legal front, and so he can make the case, and they believe they can win over innocents by making it us versus them instead of republican or democrat. that's not even the grounds of it. >> but in talking about this concern about down ballot races, david, why would some republicans be worried about having to answer for donald trump. trump being trump has been the same since, again, like vaughn was saying, since 2016. why suddenly now was there concern that trump going after people, trump antagonizing, trump being bombastic, trump saying outrageous things as he has always done is going to be harder forfolks down ballot to answer for. why does that matter, david? >> this is like ground hog's day, katy. i don't know that it does matter. republicans are always on edge because of donald trump. they always imagine if he could keep his mouth shut and focus on issues. there are issues that favor

republicans that president biden is on his heels over, they're going to have a much easier time when it comes to the 2024 campaign. look, they've got their own races to worry about. in the senate, republicans want to win back control. they don't want distractions or unnecessary burdens to get in the way of that. the problem they have is that trump is who he is, and he's never going to change. he doesn't believe he has to. he's talked about this before, believing that his base is much bigger than people think, and that he can reach independents just by being who he is, and if he doesn't, oh, well, who cares, i've got enough people on my side to get past the competition. this hasn't always been the case, from the 2018 midterm elections in terms of what happened in the house with the 40-feet swing. we know what happened in 2020, he loses the white house, he loses the senate for republicans and those special elections in georgia, but trump just doesn't see it that way. i don't think the right question is what's the campaign thinking,

the right question is what is trump thinking. we know the answer to that. >> let's talk about what trump is thinking, and whether this is filtering into what we're seeing right now, vaughn. donald trump over the weekend, i mean, they have been leaning into donald trump as a savior. this messianic figure now, for a few months. i mean, it's always kind of been there. they're really going for it now. what's happening on the campaign trail? what's donald trump doing? what's the deal with these bibles, et cetera? >> this is part of winning over a mass following and making sure that they turn out. donald trump is doing it perhaps in a different way that barack obama did. right? having sort of this big huge crowd type following, contending that, you know, this is the moment for this movement. i am the leader of this movement. we have seen this through political history. donald trump posting on his social media account yesterday a right wing columnist who suggests that he was the chosen one. chosen by super natural powers for this moment. and so when you're looking at those down ballot candidates,

you know, they have no choice but to tie themselves to donald trump at this point in wisconsin, in pennsylvania, take arizona, right, kari lake, again, of course she is the one at the forefront of this. martha mcsally ran the two u.s. senate rates before her, and lost by 2 1/2 percentage points both times because she couldn't strike the balance of being all on maga and also placating the mccain part of the party and so that is where you have seen folks say, look, donald trump is going to win the white house and i'm going to do it with him ch trying to strike the balance is too tricky, and they have ceded the republican party. >> it's hard for candidates to thread that needle. donald trump as a religious figure, michael bender, i found your article today so interesting because i have been to like a hundred more donald trump rallies and they have a certain religious fervor to them, they always have. but there is something notably

different now. tell me what you have observed. >> yeah, it's like these last ten or fifteen minutes of his rallies. they have been known for being raucous and volatile, and off script, but now they change. there's a very big tone shift in the last few minutes for his finale. it gets very reverent, soft reflective music plays throughout the arena, and he kind of recites this tightly scripted, especially for former president trump, a kind of political creed for his maga nation. and, you know, i grew up catholic. it reminded me a little bit of the nicene creed we used to say in church. i have other people describe this as an alter call. at the end of a lot of christian services, ambient music plays and people come down and claim their faith in their lord and savior, and trump has really, you know, this is how he's positioned himself in this third

campaign. he is the, you know, again, he is very careful not to call himself a jesus figure. he presents himself as the one true republican leader, and we've seen this at multiple levels of the party, him replacing supporters at the republican national committee with people who are even more loyal to him, arm twisting in congress to get people to back off endorsements or back off legislation that might be harmful to his campaign. and among the rank and file level, this is how he does it. he's turned his rallies into sort of an aesthetic church-like experience, and supporters eat it up. i mean, they are -- at the end of the rallies, you'll see people kind of bow their heads, hold their arms close to their chest, and almost like they're praying along with them. >> let's play donald trump at the end of the rallies, as you were describing. we have video of that, and after that, let's play voter sound from a rally in iowa on january 5th, talking about donald trump as something of a religious

figure. let's listen. >> the great silent majority is rising like never before, and under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten no longer. you will be forgotten no longer. we are one movement, the greatest movement in the history of our country, one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god. and together we will make america powerful again. >> i feel like i'm in his shoes here. it's just like an example i always give. i say when jesus died, he died for us. he felt what we felt. the bible says he was bruised with inequities, we're healed. so he did it for us. so when trump is fessing all of these things, he's doing it for

us in his place. it's up to us to feel what he feels as well. we represent him, when they are indicting him, we are being indicted. when they talk negative about him, they talk negative about us. >> my first thought went to jesus christ died for my sins, gentlemen sis died for me, so it connects in my brain that way. >> i think it's interesting, david, does this -- what we're seeing donald trump using this religion language, his supporters reacting to them, again, as a religious figure, is that siloing off these voters or is it expanding the tent in this america, an america 2024, going into the election in november. what are you hearing as you do your reporting on the ground? >> yeah, well, look, i've talked to a number of trump supporters over the past couple of months, and a few weeks after that conversation that you guys reported in iowa, i was talking to a group of trump supporters in south carolina. and they were telling me how

they feel like they have a personal relationship with donald trump, and if he cares about them, he doesn't just care about the country, he cares about them, and it's one of the things that i think may get lost is that, you know, for some voters, and we talked to them, it's about the policies or the lesser of two evils. one of the reasons why trump's base of loyalists is so steady fast is they think he's a good guy. they think he cares about them. they don't think he has done anything wrong. by the way, they don't think he's going to do anything extra constitutional with this next term if he wins it. they don't believe he's going to try and stick around after the term ends. they don't believe he's going to try to bend the constitution in his will in an illegal manner. when he talks about being a dictator, they understand that. he's going to pass executive

orders like every new president on day one. it's a completely different frame of mind for them, but one of the reasons why they stick with him is, you know, we can tick off the things that he has done to push voters away, but he's also, you know, done these things to bring a community of voters closer to him and keep them, and that's why he is in the position he is in. >> it's interesting, michael. as you report, we're running out of time, but as you report, the democrats are using this trump as a cult-like figure to say that he's extreme, the party has become extreme. keep your sanity, basically, and move over to the democrats. we'll have to continue this conversation later because i do think it's really fascinating. vaughn hillyard, david drucker, michael bender, thank you very much. a source with direct knowledge tells nbc news trump's former spokesperson hope hicks is expected to testify. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. it's good to have you. what do we know about hope hicks

and her potential testimony? >> katy, much of what we know about hope hicks and her potential testimony dates all the way back to 2019, because of an fbi affidavit that was filed in connection with michael cohen's prosecution by the federal government. in that affidavit, there are details about hope hicks' involvement in conversations between donald trump and michael cohen about the settlement with stormy daniels and the implication from the timing of those conversations is that hope hicks, then a communications adviser to then candidate donald trump was in the know about the payments to stormy daniels and understood why they were being made and the context in which that was happening, which as you know well more than anyone was the "access hollywood" tape. >> would she be a witness for the prosecution? >> she would be a witness for the prosecution. and the expectation is that she would show up, pursuant to a trial subpoena, not necessarily voluntarily, but would be forced to testify about what she

understood during those conversations and what those conversations were about, both with michael cohen alone and also with donald trump and michael cohen together with respect to the stormy daniels' payments. >> hope hicks did seem to be in the middle of every decision that was made regarding the cam page, especially the outreach and the pushback about donald trump and his relationship with women at the time and the lead up to the november election, especially after "access hollywood." lisa rubin, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. still ahead, what the florida supreme court will tell nearly a million floridians who signed a petition on abortion today. plus, speaker mike johnson strikes back, what he said about marjorie taylor greene and her attempt to take the gavel away from him. >> and tens of thousands of israelis hit the streets in the largest protest since the war in gaza began. what they are demanding from their government in 90 seconds. s

it has been just over a week since marjorie taylor greene filed her motion to vacate. now speaker johnson is getting another warning, this time if congressman don bacon. speak to go "meet the press," bacon warned johnson of consequences if he brings a ukraine bill to the floor. something johnson had already told fox that he was planning on doing. >> when we return after this period, we'll be moving a product. it's going to have, i think,

some important innovations, if we can use the seized assets of russian oligarchs to allow the ukrainians to fight them, it's pure poetry. >> joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. i think the timing is interesting there because don bacon speaks to "meet the press." you have speaker johnson talking to dowdy, that's on sunday night. >> reporter: if it wasn't going to be ukraine, it was probably going to be something else. we know mike johnson was in a precarious position from the moment he got this job because of the way his predecessor kevin mccarthy lost it. it's the reality of the razor thin margins that the republicans have had the entirety of congress. johnson knows he has multiple factions in the gop that he needs to placate, and moving forward on ukraine aid is something that some people in his party want and others in his party vehemently detest. it's why you have someone like

marjorie taylor greene holding out the motion to vacate as a reminder that she has the power to do it but it's not something that could happen imminently. you have speaker johnson saying he's texting her, they're going to meet when everyone comes back to town next week. he's not going out there and attacking her. he's trying to play nice because frankly what other choice does he have. in terms of the way he's talking about it with the conference, he's basically saying we've got no room for error here. watch. >> all of my republican colleagues recognize this is a distraction from the mission. again, the mission is to save the republic, and the only way we can do is grow the house majority win the senate and white house. marjorie is a friend. she's very frustrated about the last appropriations bills. guess what, so am i. these are not the perfect pieces of legislation that you and i and marjorie would draft if we had the ability to do it differently. with the smallest margin in u.s.

history we're sometimes going to get legislation we don't like . >> reporter: you hear him that for marjorie taylor greene it was the appropriations bill. for others it's what he decided to do on ukraine funding. it's constantly squeezed between a rock and a hard place, and whatever he does going forward. in conversations with most republicans, especially those on the conservative side of the spectrum, there's no real appetite for wanting to oust the speaker at this point. at the end of the day, all it takes is one. >> with the margin getting smaller and smaller as people resign and say, you know what, i don't want to wait until the end of my term. i want to leave right now. it's happening a lot. thank you very much. coming up, quote, they failed. what's driving angry israelis to protest en masse over the war. a giant protest, as you can see there. and republican lawmakers say they are for ivf. conservative groups are laying the ground work to pull back on

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the florida supreme court could be an hour away from yet another major ruling on abortion, one that could help keep the issue top of mind this november. but this time, there is a twist. florida's high court isn't considering a case, but a petition, a so-called citizens initiative with nearly a million

signatures to protect abortion through 24 weeks. joining us now from miami, nbc news correspondent marissa parra. so explain exactly what they're considering. >> reporter: right. so in terms of what we will think we will find out today, and the operative word being think, we don't know for sure. we thought we were going to hear the decision last week, and that hasn't happened yet, in terms of what we're expecting, we're expecting a ruling on whether or not abortion can appear on the ballot. this starts from a grass roots effort. the florida supreme court is protected under law. they're able to review the language and these ballot initiatives, and so florida attorney general ashley moody who is a republican for instance has been arguing that the language in the ballot initiative is vague, particularly taking issue with the word viability, and this is roughly 24 weeks, saying that's

confusing to voters. as we wait to figure out what they will decide in terms of whether or not they will be on the ballot. that is separate from another ruling, you see on the screen, the one on the right. this could come anytime, this could come this week, this summer, and that is going to decide, whether or not the current 15-week abortion ban is constitutional. now, if we get that decision, and they say that it is, that would trigger a six-week abortion ban previously signed by governor ron desantis 30 days later. a lot to consider and there's a lot of reasons why this is interesting. in theory we could see a world where florida, currently has a 15-week abortion ban, then a six-week abortion ban that could get overturned by voters in november, if and only if the florida supreme court decides that voters can have a direct say on that at all. i went around and asked voters in miami-dade county what they thought. i want to give you just a little bit of what we heard here. >> i think abortion is a very delicate topic, but i think it's

something a woman has to have rights to make that choice on what's best for her. >> reporter: will it impact your vote if your republican candidate does not believe in abortion rights. >> it would be a strong consideration, i would say. >> reporter: i find it hard to believe in 2024 we're still arguing about this. this should have been resolved in 1973. >> reporter: so, katy, what i thought was interesting was that first person you heard from, he is a republican but as you heard, he finds that the abortion issue is significant enough that he would part away from party lines. this potentially would be significant enough, where even though he's republican, he would potentially vote for someone that's not republican because of abortion, and so obviously a lot depends on whether abortion is specifically on the ballot or not. but i do think that it's interesting because this does have the potential to sway voter turnout. we know florida in terms of the different counties here, miami-dade county, obviously more progressive, more conservative counties. i know florida democrats are

hopeful this would increase voter turnout which democrats would struggle with as they're trying to keep florida purple. a lot at stake here, hopefully getting a sense of how things go in the next half hour. >> marissa parra, stay tuned, in the end, we'll have our answer in a few minutes. a number of republican lawmakers insist that ivf should be protected even if abortion access is restricted. republican think tanks are working to change their minds. "politico" reports the heritage foundation and other conservative groups had been strategizing on how to convince not just gop officials but evangelicals broadly that they should have serious moral concerns about fertility treatments like ivf. joining us now, a law professor at the university of california-davis and authors of dollars for life, the anti-abortion movement in the fall of the republican establishment, mary ziegler. good to have you. so the effort to overturn roe v. wade, to decrease support of it

among the american electorate took decades. it was a concerted conservative effort to convince people that it was morally wrong. how would that look for ivf? >> i think there's a similar idea that there would be a death of a thousand cuts beginning with evangelical religious leaders, beginning at the level of local churches kind of moving from their state legislatures, again, movement leaders in the antiabortion movement recognizing that voters just aren't there yet, that congress just isn't there yet. and so starting with these smaller wins is the plan with the hope of, then, building to something larger. setting the precedent that it's okay to say you don't support ivf. it's okay to say ivf is immoral. that kind of strategy that anti-abortion leaders called incremental that we're seeing reemerge with respect to ivf. in looking at the way things are

going right now, the other week i had on the lawyer, erin hawley, arguing against the expanded access of mifepristone. i asked her about the comstock act and whether that was setting the ground work, the precedent for potentially using that act in the future to go after anything involved in facilitating an abortion nationwide, thereby, in effect, banning abortions nationwide. do you see the comstock act playing into this? >> the comstock act is the corner stone of antiabortion strategy in the second trump administration precisely because you wouldn't need voters to sign off on it. it's a law from 1873. if you can reinvent it. how the comstock act would relate to ivf is an interesting question, but we can't rule that out in part because the language of the comstock act is so vague.

the comstock act says things like you can't have items for indecent or immoral use. if you believe it to be immoral, there's no reason the comstock act couldn't be applied in that way. >> abortion took time to undercut, but it was never as popular as ivf in the first place, and there's been a lot of polling out there that shows the american public broadly support ivf. evangelical support ivf, conservatives support ivf. kellyanne conway has showed her polling to republicans lawmakers warning them. is this a potentially hot political potato in the same way abortion is? there was that alabama house seat that was just won by a democrat, same democrat who lost it the year before to a republican. >> absolutely. i mean, i think what you're seeing here is antiabortion groups saying to the gop, this is our agenda, we believe that

fetuses and embryos are persons. we're going to pursue the agenda, even if it causes candidates pain, but you better get on board because we are the base voters that are going to give donald trump a second crack at the white house. antiabortion groups are planning on playing the long game, that could cost republicans in the short term, there's divergent priorities between some state and national republicans. if you, for example, are a lawmaker in an uncompetitive seat, the state legislature in alabama, you may have no problem going along with the idea that ivf is under regulated or problematic or violates the rights of fetal persons. we know when they're going to be closely contested races for control of the house or senate that national republicans aren't necessarily in the same position. >> that race in alabama that i mentioned wasn't close a year ago. she lost by a number of points a year ago and she won by more than 20 points when she was running on the issue of ivf

after the alabama supreme court ruling. so what might not look like a close race now could be much closer in the future if these things do go into effect. mary, thank you very much. we're following breaking news out of atlanta. the fbi says one person is in custody after ramming their car into the gate of one of its buildings. right now, a motive is unclear. the fbi posted on social media we can confirm a person rammed into fbi atlanta's front gate shortly after noon today. the suspect was taken into custody by dekalb police. there are no injuries, and agents are checking the car as a precaution. we do not have any further information at this time. we don't have any further information either. i don't think that video there is what you're looking at in terms of the atlanta car ramming, so roll that back in your mind. still ahead, details on a controversial new bill that florida governor ron desantis just signed into law. what he says it will do to protect kids. first, though, what we know so far about a deadly strike on

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the syrian defense ministry says israel launched air strikes on the iranian consulate in syria's capital of damascus. giant protests against benjamin

netanyahu continue. over the weekend, thousands were on the streets demanding the prime minister step down in what was the biggest demonstration since the start of the war. joining us now, nbc news international correspondent josh lederman and pentagon correspondent, courtney kube. what happened in syria? >> reporter: that's a great question a lot of people are trying to figure out right now. iranian state media is saying a top commander was killed. we have been asking a lot of u.s. officials about that, and the u.s. doesn't have any confirmation of that at this point. now, what i will say is israel has conducted dozens of air strikes in syria already this year. hundreds over the last several years, but they tend to not acknowledge them or confirm any of these strikes. in the past, many of them go -- these sorts of air strikes go after component parts or advanced missile parts, generally going from iran to lebanese hezbollah in syria.

in this case, it does appear that this may have been targeting some senior officials, but again, we're still working on any kind of confirmation from the u.s. side here. another thing i will say is in the past, the israelis have provided the u.s. military with some sort of an advanced notice before strikes in syria because, remember, the u.s. military is operating in the northeast and in the south, and for nothing more than deconfliction, making sure there's no confusion. they will often let the u.s. know about strikes like this in advance, but there's still a lot of questions here. >> would it be normal for the israelis to go after an entire consulate? is this sort of strike something that we have seen before? >> reporter: no, so going after a consulate, another nation's consulate is not common for another state. now, we have seen, of course, terror groups and others do that, but that is uncommon. but it's also, frankly, not clear her exactly whether the consulate itself was targeted or just outside. that's another thing. again, there has been some reporting from iranian state

media but nothing confirmed by the u.s. that we have gotten yet. >> let's talk about what we have been seeing in israel over the past few days. across israel, including in jerusalem. josh, these protests, what are people demanding of the government? >> reporter: well, let's be clear, katy, prime minister netanyahu has been unpopular in israel for a long time. last year before the war we extensively covered the political protests there, but after the war started, people gave him a little bit of time and leeway to respond to the october 7th attacks and to try to pursue a military strategy against hamas. the idea was you don't want to change horses midstream when you're in the middle of a war, but people's patience in israel is running out now, and the big driver of that appears to be frustration about the fact that the hostages have not come home. some 100 or so hostages still believed to be in the gaza strip, and prime minister netanyahu says, look, bringing the hostages home and defeating

hamas are part and parcel to the same thing. more pressure on hamas militarily will force hamas to release those hostages. but many of the families of the hostages, as well as israeli civilians say the strategy is just not working. it's nearly six months now, and it's not succeeded in bringing the hostages home. they want to see a real shift in strategy by the israeli government to prioritize striking a deal with hamas to bring the hostages home, even if it means a cease fire, even if it means changing up their military strategy. they feel like the promises that netanyahu made that he was going to be able to completely eliminate hamas have not proven to be true, and they no longer believe, according to those going out in the streets by the thousands to protest, he is the right leader to lead israel through the war. >> josh lederman, thank you very much. we're going back now to our breaking news out of atlanta. the fbi says one person is in custody after ramming their car into the gate of one of its

buildings. a suspect was arrested this afternoon by dekalb police. officials say there are no injuries and agents are checking this car which you can see right here as a precaution. joining us now, nbc news just reporter ryan reilly. so ryan, what do we know? >> reporter: yeah, there's a lot we don't know. this comes at a critical time for the fbi, and we have seen previous attacks on the bureau before, but we don't know anything really about the motivation, yet, at this point or perhaps whether this was in fact a purposeful event. someone is in custody but, you know, there's still a lot of unknowns right now that law enforcement is trying to sort out about what potentially might have potentially motivated someone to do something like this. we're trying to nail down those facts as we go along. it's a critical time at this juncture for the fbi. >> we're still working on limited information. hopefully we can put the image back on the screen. when you look at the car and the way it's currently positioned, you can see the gate appeared to

be open, and it was that barrier that rose from the ground that stopped the car. it appears at least from this video, ryan, that car had to be going pretty fast to have that sort of impact. that's not just rolling through an open gate and hitting a stantion. do we know about about intention here? what are your sources telling you about what they were trying to do? >> in those scenarios, you have to keep open the possibility that this was an error. we have had situations where people make a turn into the wrong way, and suddenly they're stuck in a situation and they panic, and they run into one of the barricades. that certainly doesn't look great, the images that you're seeing on the screen there, but you describe keep open the possibility and we'll continue to hunt down exactly what potentially was motivateding this person, and i think --

motivating this person, and i think we'll find out in the coming hours what happened here, and the important thing is there is someone in custody, and it does not appear there is an ongoing threat to the public. >> it looks like they have done their scan of the car, the car is not dangerous, including an explosive scan that they would do. you can see an agent or an official or a documenter going through to document the crash site so they have it all on record before they remove this car from the area. you can see a briefcase on the ground. it looks like potentially even an igloo, cooler or some cooler of that sort. unclear if that came from the car or brought in to collect evidence. we're going to watch this to find out more about what might have happened. again, we don't know the motivation. it could very well be some sort of accident, certainly could be something more. coming up, in florida, a social media ban will keep kids under 14 off some of the biggest platforms like tiktok and instagram. what companies stand to lose if they do not comply. with moderae

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that is now law in florida. it will take effect, by the way, in january. it's good to have you back. thanks for being here. tell me, again, what this bill, what this now law, is aimed to do? >> good to be back with you, too, katy. so really this bill is to protect the children in the state of florida with regard to social media. we know that social media is a huge issue. we know that there are astronomical numbers when it comes to bullying, when it comes to young women's self-esteem. and really, it is not only to protect children but to also hold these companies accountable as well. >> and the novel way of going about this is not that they have social media, but that social media is what? >> it's a business model, right, and we talked about this last time. and i think when you're thinking about the business model or thinking about the algorithm, or thinking about the addictive design features such as autoplay, such as addictive scrolls, so when we're thinking

about that, it is basically a business model so if you have a social media platform that does not comport with the business model, you're fine. however, if you have a social media platform that uses these addictive business models, really to target children, you have to comply with the law in the state of florida. >> so the addictive aspect of it, the fact that they can endlessly scroll, the liking, all of that stuff is the way you believe you're going to be able to get around the challenges that have come against other social media bans in other states, which is that this is a violation of free speech. why does this get around free speech? >> well, this speech? >> we're not targeting content. we're not saying or trying though moderate what is actually accessed on the page after someone legally accesses the social media platform. what we are saying is if you use this business model, specifically this bid model that mark zuckerberg appeared other big-tech executives have said

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president biden will head to baltimore this friday to visit the site of the collapsed francis scott key bridge.

a temporary channel was opened to alloy vessels to pass through. governor moore, wes moore, held a press conference. here's what he had to say. >> we need to do more work to clear the channel in order to move forward. i notice there's an urgency to move fast. noble feels that urgency more than the people standing up here today, but we have to be clear on the risks. joining us from aaron gilchrist. you were just out on the water. what did you see? >> katy, we literally just got off a coast guard boat to go ute to the wreckage site. i gotta tell you, it's surreal to see up close. we are about 00 yards in the bow

of the cargo ship, and the bridge. it's amazing, when you see it up close. this is a real thing that happened, obviously. there were people who died as a result, but you can see how much this steel bridge is really just mangled together with some of the containers on this cargo ship. there's so much of the roadway and bridge that are just poking out of the water here. we know that crews have been doing an incredible amount of work trying to clear this wreckage site. they were out there over the weekend with cutting torches, able to start chopping away pieces of the steel bridge. we were actually able to see what we believe was a 200-ton piece of that bridge cut over the weekend lying on a barge on the river here, waiting to be taken away to be discarded. as you noted with the governor's

sound bite there, we know noted that the temporary channel has been opened that's going to allow some ships to be able to move through. they are a part of the salvage brace. we believe we saw a first vessel, a barge being pushed by a tugboat, we were able to pass through this channel as wet on the coast guard boat. this is the first step they'll use to get more vessels into this area so they can continue this work of clearing the waterway, and, of course, getting divers into the water to retrieve the bodies of those missing. >> aaron, thank you very much. that will do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪