11th circuit to recuse her, she could, for instance, set the case for trial pretty quickly. the time to do it is now. >> joyce vance, perfect person to have -- to talk about what should happen in florida. thank you so much. good night. >> night y'all. we await the first criminal trial of the former u.s. president. do reading. raid all the charges against donald trump for yourselves and make your own decisions and we put all of this together and all of the indictments in the new book with the the trump indictments the historic charging documents with commentary and including helpful notes on the law as well as the many different players involved. >> thanks for joining us for this hour. good night. good night. on this new hour, the threat donald trump poses to world democracy and the man meeting behind-the-scenes with far right world leaders, in trump's name. also tonight, tragedy, this

conspiracy come of that conspiracy, the republican party adores nonsense and now t weaponizing those bogus beliefs about the bridge collapse in baltimore. you're going to hear from the state department staffer who resigned this week in protest of president biden's gaza policy as the white house announces it is sending even more weapons to israel. let's do it. on this show, we talked a lot about how trump, if re-elected, plans to expand his use of the authoritarian playbook here at home. but now, we are actually getting a better idea of how the ex-president would try to we can democracies around the world. enter this guy, a former diplomat who served as acting director of national intelligence under donald trump, and is one of his biggest loyalists. even after he left office, trump called him his envoy.

the washington post reports he has been acting as a kind of shadow secretary of state meeting with foreign right leaders and movements, and at times working against the current administration policies. in january, he traveled to guatemala days before the newly elected president was sworn in and got behind efforts to undermine the transition of power. he claimed he met with 45 business and political leaders during his trip including a hard-line group that sued to block the inauguration. grenell also posted a voter of his meeting with former right- wing guatemalan president, the u.s. had accused of significant corruption. the undercutting of u.s. interests abroad does not end there. grenell has been busy in europe as well, last year sweden's as effort to join nato in the face of a rising threat from vladimir putin was being blocked by turkish president, who had a highly strained relationship with the u.s. at the time. grenell, also of local nato

critic , proposed a meeting between erewhon and trump, according to two people close to the former president, in 2021 while visiting kosovo and serbia and in the middle of renewed tensions between the two countries, the washington post reports that grenell bashed biden's efforts in negotiating a new peace deal. this shadow diplomacy is happening when europe is at a critical juncture, with an emboldened vladimir putin just starting a new six-year term in russia, and upping the ante in ukraine. polish prime minister donald tusk this week warned the continent has entered a prewar era, and that we are living in the most critical moment since the end of the second world war. remember, trump said last month that russia can do whatever the it wants with members of nato who don't pay the required 2% pa of their gdp on defense. as michael kim is right for foreign affairs trump first- term test of the transatlantic relationship, his second would

break it. and one of the dangers, they write, is that he would undoubtedly sack his cabinet and the united states military leadership with loyalists. indeed come from son, don junior, has touted richard grenell's credentials and said he was a top contender for, wait for it, secretary of state. he told grenell, your name comes up a lot in some very high levels. you're in there with the base. that may be true, but what works for the maga base does not work for democracy at home, and certainly not around the world. joining me to discuss this, professor of history at new york university and author of strongmen, mussolini to the president. also with this onset, hayes brown, writer and editor of msnbc daily, and professor of philosophy at yale university, the author of how fascism works, the policies of us and them, excuse me. it may be the politics of the u.s. and them at some point, he we'll see.

but, i'll start with you and what it means to have this shadow secretary of state, right now for the former president. out there, carrying out his bidding by undermining biden's policies and convening with these antidemocratic leaders around the world. what does it say that this is happening so in the open, when he's not even president. >> well, just as product 2025, better known as project make america autocratic, is really planning a kind of shadow government government, already recruiting people who would be in the government, and just as trump is acting as though he still president, the kind of president in eternal exile, you have his envoy, as he calls grenell, that is a title that sitting presidents give to their diplomatic representatives, and of course, he's going around trying to lay the basis for u.s. policy as an

autocratic entity with other autocrats. and he's very good, he's a good choice to do this, because grenell, before he worked for trump, he worked in pr for viktor orban, and he also, his political consulting firm did business with iran and china, so he's like a one-stop shop for autocratic dealmaking. no wonder trump is employing him now. >> as we talked about richard grenell has spent the better part of the last year doing groundwork for trump all over the world, what more can you tell us about his particular role in all this, the kind of spacey occupies in trump world, and the values and ideas that he espouses to be part of that inner core of trump world. >> was fascinating about rick grenell is how closely his , i first encountered him when he was a spokesperson for the u.s. ambassador to the united nations back in 2012, he became

briefly a spokesperson for mitt romney's presidential campaign, he resigned when it became clear that the gop wasn't okay t with him being openly . fast forward to the trump era, and grenell has always been a very loud presence on social media and that fit in great with trump world. he is the kind of person who, the values that he espouses, it's a matter of loyalty to trump. what's fascinating about the washington post story is former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton/former national security advisor donald trump, he panned grenell who worked for him, saying he is someone who is just a loyalist to us trump. even someone like bolton is saying that this guy, who used to be really a dyed in the wool classic foreign-policy republican under the bush administration has swung so far to be in this maga world, it says a lot about how the gop has evolved and how maga has

taken over foreign-policy under republicans. >> i found grenell's observation about foreign- policy to be very amateurish for someone who is occupied fo positions like that, as was the director of national intelligence at one point. i'm thinking about the big i' picture, here, and trump strategy, what he's trying to convey. is there any precedent for a former diplomat to keep meeting with world leaders outside of the u.s., and what that signals, and what are the consequences of it that you are trying to undermine the current president? we've always had this belief in america that are divisions would stop at the shores and and there was only one american president at any given moment. we weren't popping around the world trying to that undermine our current sitting president. >> this is exactly what you would expect from an increasingly authoritarian movement, in the 70s and 80s, t the united states was a democracy, but it promoted dictators in latin america,

thinking there were more easily controlled, essentially the idea was, democracy was not a system for the global south, the enemy was communism, we had to keep dictators in place there to prevent communism from infiltrating. this is something different, the idea now is that the united states is going to become a dictatorship, so we can't have democracy is around us, can replace their leaders. this is in that vein, in the t 70s and 80s, the target was communism, with trump, and his cohort, the world target is democracy. >> i wanted to get your thoughts on nato specifically for a moment, and the significance of trump's attacks on nato and the effective threat that he has made toward

european leaders, at a moment when they are very vulnerable as we just heard from the polish president this week. has the damage to nato already been done? even as joe biden runs for re- election, the idea that nato is no longer as valuable to america and american security has been planted and eroded by donald trump for future republican leaders. >> i would say that they're trying their hardest to make people believe that. in fact, nato is expanding, but they use information war for very effectively, and trump makes it clear that he's going to withdraw, and that's where the assiduous work of grenell and many others to undermine american democracy, the goal is to show the world that american democracy is over, as a force, and collective security of the type, the whole democratic international order, that's what nato has pledged to represent is also going to be

over. in fact, nato is expanding, this is more propaganda on their part. >> jason, i wanted to play for you with the former white house chief strategist steve bannon said about how he thinks democrats should be treated if trump is re-elected, watch this. >> the evening after we won, the accountability project is going to start, and it's going to be thorough this time. it's going to be, they're goingt to be in prison. yes, prison. >> not mincing words, this is a guy who could come back and co occupy a senior position in the white house, certainly in the maga world, your thoughts on ma that and do you think there is a danger that we hear this, and he's saying it so out in the open, he's not hiding it, it's not in secret smoke-filled rooms in washington, d.c., this is on his radio, podcast, whatever it is, and it's happening right in front of our eyes and barely gets any traction. >> this is what's so odd about

the current moment. that project 2025, as ruth mentioned, is an explicit authoritarian takeover to replace civil servants in all l the offices by loyalist political appointees. everything is very explicit, they're going to target opponents, they're attacking democracies abroad, they're making friends with their friends are the other authoritarians and fascists. it's as explicit as you can get, because they realize there is no cost to being explicit, and, it's still the case that people can't believe it, it's still the case that there is this american exceptionalism, it can't happen here. and then there's just history, which tells us time and time again to take authoritarians seriously. they say what they're going to do. hitler wrote saying what he was going to do, and yet people did not take it seriously and voted for them anyway.

and we're seeing something very similar repeat itself here. >> to that point, ruth, you and i have talked about this in the past, where we've said what middle eastern dictators have done the past, is that they've rounded up their dissidents, brought them in front of the world to see, their political opponents, and then put them in jail or executed them. we didn't think that was going to happen but now you have steve bannon saying what he is saying, taking out a page right out of vladimir putin's playbook. >> and you also have trump posting on social media, a truck that has a big, life-size effigy, a picture of biden fi bound as though he'd been kidnapped like a hostage. this is not normal, but this is a total delegitimization of the presidency, and i want to mention how unusual it was that victor or bonnie came to see, he came to the united states and broke with protocol, he didn't see biden, he went to

kiss the ring of trump at mar-a- lago. again, he's like the president in eternal exile, then he went to the heritage foundation, so, the basis of the autocracy are showing themselves. >> very important point about that visit as well, and one that did not get the kind of attention it deserved when it happened in mar-a-lago. thank you as always, it's great to see you. t everyone else, stick around we've got a lot more to discuss. next up, how the right is in a conspiracy theory tailspin over the baltimore bridge collapse. .

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>> probably count before an incident like this becomes politicized. >> this is not the time to be talking about legislation. >> i know, i know, i know, how terrible the democrats would actually want to introduce legislation to protect people, especially innocent minors from gun violence. but here's the thing, republicans never seem to have a problem politicizing a tragedy themselves, with very different motivations. case in point, their reaction to the francis scott key bridge collapse in baltimore this

week. within hours, despite six construction workers unaccounted for, conservatives wasted no time first to attack president biden. >> it was outrageous, immediately for biden to express, in this tragedy, the idea that he's going to use federal funds to pay for it in entirety. >> that was pennsylvania congressman dan meiser, who, as the white house quickly pointed out, has no problem bragging how he has secured funding to replace bridges in his state. republicans then went on to their next strategy, you know this one. spreading conspiracy theories. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene enter the picture, and other far right flamethrowers like alex jones and lara logan took two x to suggest it was a cyber attack, and the start of world war iii. obviously with no evidence to back any of it up. the claims got so much traction that maryland governor westmore was compelled to tell the

public that there is no credible evidence the collapse was a terrorist attack. but that hasn't stopped major maga figures like don junior from adopting the just asking questions stick to suggest terrorists were behind the collapse. it's not like prominent right- wing host would prime their viewers to trust conspiracy theories over the government, right? >> when trust is repeatedly broken, it shouldn't surprise anyone that during a crisis, our leaders explanations and assurances, as much as we want them, sometimes don't carry much weight. >> there will be more where that came from in the next week, made up stories, misdirection and blame games, but don't fall for it. >> when all else fails, there's always the far right's old standby. racism. from foxholes linking the collapse to biden's quote wide open border to a republican gubernatorial candidate blaming it on diversity, the right

wasted no time placing responsibility for the tragedy on minorities and migrants. again, despite zero evidence to back it up. but, it was baltimore mayor brandon scott who arguably got the worst of it, as he held a press conference to address the situation, a far right account that is frequently liked and boosted by elon musk referred to scott as baltimore's di mayor. despite the fact that scott was elected with over 70% of the vote. here's how scott reacted, speaking with my colleague, julie reid. >> we know what they want to say, but they don't have the courage to say the n word and the fact that i don't believe in their untruthful and wrong ideology, and i'm very proud of my heritage and who i am and where i come from scares them. >> as conservatives rush to demonize, racialized minorities in the wake of this tragedy it serves as a timely reminder about the dangers laborers, many of them immigrants, face

in this country every day. as nbc news reports, most of the workers killed are presumed dead following the collapse are originally from latin america. here's just some of the heartbreaking reactions from families of those victims. >> [ speaking in a global language ] >> [ speaking in a global language ] >> this was a horrific tragedy, one with devastating consequences, and republican lawmakers and their band of far right opportunist used it to launch political attacks and do nothing but sow chaos. to what end? as msnbc wrote, their crudity, along with their cruelty, is the point. are panel ways in, right after

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back now with the rights conspiracy theories and racist reactions to the baltimore bridge collapse. jason stanley and hayes brown are back with me, during the conversation, the host of the vast politics podcast. i'll start with you, you written extensively about how i would say propaganda, in this case, that's what it is, is easily spread these days, and jumps the rails from the fringe corners of the internet into mainstream politics. and the threat that it poses to our democracy. how concerning is that republicans are priming their base not to believe the truth, especially in a major disaster event like this in baltimore, but to believe the fringe conspiracy theories that are out there. >> they're doing two things, they're spreading conspiracy theories to undermine reality, and they're linking it to old american conspiracy theories,

like the one that ended reconstruction. reconstruction was a brief period after the civil war with black americans were allowed to vote, and we had black politicians, and there was a conspiracy theory that said that black politicians were corrupt and incompetent, and so we couldn't allow them again. so that's very familiar to americans. a good conspiracy theory brings you back to some conspiracy theory in the past that's embedded in the nation's consciousness. so, that's really what make america great again means, is going back to that time of those anti-black conspiracy theories. then you just have this international aspect that we've seen in russia, in russia that we've seen in poland with the disaster of 2010, where when you spread conspiracy theories, this is what rt did, it undermines people's understanding of the truth, and they don't know where to look,

so they just look to power. >> part of that, is when you have tragedies and then you have the narrative that it's because a black mayor, it's because of dei, it's because of incompetence, you then can fill that void with whatever narrative you want, and you bring together the people behind to say that's who we're going to go after, we have to correct this. what is it listed at you from the craziness of this past week? it was politicians, it was the flamethrowers like alex jones, it was the right-wing media, at fox news, it was all of the layers. it wasn't, as i said, a fringe corner of the internet. >> since 2020, since donald trump lost the election, he has operated on earth two. he's had his own earth with his own set of facts. when fox news went against those facts, they lost viewers, so he built up an ecosystem of trump friendly media that repeats these lies.

so, really seeing the conclusion of that, or i hope the conclusion, but likely a continuation of that, which is this earth two world, where this is all the fault of dei, this is all the fault of, they were mad at mayor pete because whatever. mayor pete is super competent, and has had all of these jobs in government. >> i love the fact that republicans were saying pete buttigieg got this job, the only reason he got it was because he's , he's not competent and they forgot that donald trump had a neurosurgeon named ben carson as the head of housing and urban development. you want to talk about qualifications to be a secretary? >> mitch mcconnell's wife, who had the job before him, she has very big fancy family business, but i'm not sure that makes her transportation secretary. so, i do think, this is this unreality, you have a percentage of america that believes only what trump and

trump friendly outlets tell them. and i don't know how you get those people back. >> let me ask you about the narrative that emerges, one thing we know republicans love to demonize migrants, and make them the villains of everything that happens in this country, yet six of those who died on that bridge, among them missing until now, are believed to be migrant workers. from latin america. i want to read something from our colleague, for msnbc writing, the tragedy serves as a timely reminder of the essential role these people play in fueling the u.s. economy, republicans would rather demonize them instead of trying to help them. >> that is exactly what has been happening, especially since trump came into office. it was building before that, but the anti-immigration pushed from the gop, from maga it hurts the u.s. economy. that's something that has not gotten through to the people who believe it for these various racist reasons.

they are so focused on the great replacement conspiracy theory, the idea that immigrants are being brought in specifically to replace white people and to boost democratic voting numbers, that they're ignoring the fact, it's a shift from the 90s, early 2000's, when the argument was the immigrants are coming and taking our jobs. now that they're finally lowering the amount of legal immigration, even, and you are seeing the economic impacts of it, you're seeing that businesses are struggling to hire enough workers to actually get things done, so you have industries like instruction where you still have plenty of migrants coming through, and these migrants who were tragically lost during the bridge collapse, they're a sterling example of the kind of jobs people are coming here to work, these essential jobs that people discard. a lot of people don't want to do, yes. >> i wanted to get your thoughts on something that gop senator eric schmidt of missouri is saying, that the

real cause of this collapse is the president. watch. >> this is the consequence, the distrust of terrible leadership. when you have an administration that has weapon eyes that are of justice, trying to throw political opponents in jail, tried to throw them off the ballot, conducted a vast censorship enterprise to silence americans who don't buy into their narrative whether it was on efficacy or transmissibility of covid after you've had the vaccine, or the hunter biden laptop, >> i've lost track in what, the lengths of things he was trying to say, i'm not trying to laugh at it, but this is what's being pumped out into the airwaves going into conservatives, all across the country, the senator is trying to pin the blame on the biden administration is the real reason conservatives don't believe what officials tell them about events like the bridge collapse. talk about the irony, here, surely the reason people don't

believe experts and officials is because the conspiracy laden echo chamber they have created on the far right. >> none of this is factual. none of this is a debate about facts. it's a mistake to have this as a debate about facts. we're here on these shows pointing out that it's inane, it's false, there is no factual basis. it doesn't even pretend to be a debate about facts. there's great replacement theory, there's nonwhites are incompetent, there's immigrants are both here to steal your jobs and lazy, none of it is coherent. it's not about actuality. it's about saying joe biden is corrupt, and donald trump is the anticorruption candidate. it's undermine the, all law is just us versus them. the other side wants black americans in positions of power over white americans, like

first happened with our first black president, it's evoking all that panic and fear. it's simply us versus them, when you try to deal with it as actuality, it doesn't even work. >> i was thinking about what happened in palestine, ohio with a trail derailment, where they were hammering by and i could only imagine the reason why this is what it is is because of baltimore and the fact that it is a city that is predominantly black and has a black mayor, and has left- leaning politics. if this was in texas or florida, i suspect we would see a very different reaction from these republicans. jason stanley, thank you so much, i greatly appreciate your insights as always, the rest of my panel, stick around, we are back with the worst of the week but next, the resignation that is speaking for many at the state department. state department.

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inside radio city hall this thursday it was all glitz and glamour for president biden's fundraiser. outside, a different story, hundreds called for a cease- fire in gaza, protesting biden's handling of the israel hamas war. some disrupted the discussion on stage inside the venue as well. but, protests against the administration's handling of the war are not just taking place on the streets. resigned her post at the state department this week where she served as a foreign affairs officer working on human rights issues in the middle east, in an interview she said that she wasn't able to do her job anymore and that trying to advocate for human rights just became impossible. she is the latest resignation from the state department, but certainly not the first.

former senior official josh paul left in october over the united states supply of weapons to israel. i spoke to him shortly after he left. >> there is no room for the typical discussion, for thinking about is this the right thing to be doing and should we be providing weapons into a situation which we know that significant civilian harm will happen. >> analogy line jointly now. it's great to have you on the show, i want to start with where we left off in a sound bite from your former colleague, josh paul at the state department. and what he said, he has come out and expressed support for your resignation. do you agree with him and what we heard him say, and in what ways do you try to express dissent but it was not received, whether it was received in any way. >> i absolutely agree with josh paul. he was working more directly on these issues than i was, i was working on promoting human rights, and my portfolio was primarily in north africa, but,

that were just became so difficult after october 7th, to the extent that it felt impossible, either because members of civil society didn't want to have anything to do with the u.s. government, understandably because of policy, or it was putting them at greater risk and had become a liability to have any kind of affiliation with the u.s. but, i'll stop. >> can you tell us in what way your job became difficult after october 7th? was there pressure on you not to speak up, was there concern about what the united states was doing, and perhaps manipulate evidence or changing evidence so that the reality or truth about what was happening in gaza did not emerge? describe how it became difficult. >> i should clarify, because i was not working on israel palestine, i mean that trying to advocate for human rights, which the state department does

and continues to do, which is an extremely important part of the state department's mission, and again, i very much believe in the work of my colleagues in my office, but, it's just that the charge of hypocrisy became really difficult to navigate around. even if the u.s. government is trying to criticize a particular middle eastern government for their human rights abuses, what leg does the u.s. have to stand on, when we are, in fact, not following our own laws as far as wallowing up in terms of monitoring of the weapons that we provide, not following laws, not following 620 i of the foreign assistance act. so, i thought it was no longer possible to really, credibly advocate for human rights. >> let me ask you this way, do you believe the united states is being ever critical with its policies on gaza and the way human rights violations are

taking place there, given the fact that it claims to defend and speak up about human rights elsewhere around the world? >> i do. i think what's so unfortunate is that this administration came in pledging to highlight human rights, and to try to come back from the damage of the trump administration, the ways that that administration had undermined a lot of the work of the state department, and america's role in international institutions in terms of the international order, and i speak for many colleagues who are extremely distraught by what u.s. policy is doing in gaza, but also the damage it's doing to america's leadership, for example i think many people found that support for ukraine really affirmed their belief in what america is supposed to stand for, and yet when you look at the hypocrisy in terms of the u.s. ignoring

the gross violations of human rights that israel is committing, and not only ignoring but directly enabling them and continuing to send more and more weapons, we saw the announcement of more weapons. biden is not using his leverage here, he keeps saying we need to see fewer civilian casualties, and that netanyahu ignores him and he keeps sending more weapons. >> how widespread is this among officials that you worked with, that you know this sentiment, you have a better sense of it inside government than any of us do on the outside, you said that your colleagues at the state department asked you to resign publicly as a way to speak out on their behalf. can you give us a sense of how widespread these frustrations are within the state department or elsewhere across the u.s. government? >> it's hard to say, the state department is a very large institution and i don't claim to speak for everyone, but there are many, many people who have been trying to do what they can. including on this issue, in terms of trying to put in place

accountability measures for israel, we saw the sanctions on extremist settlers, for example, for the most part, i would consider it grossly inadequate, but, there are people who are working extremely hard on these issues, as well as on many other issues. i do want to reiterate how important the work of the state department is. it's i no longer wanted to be part of this government. >> are you worried about your future career and what it means that you have publicly resigned like this? >> i imagine i won't ever get to work for the government again. but, >> annelle sheline, i appreciate you coming on the program and talking about this. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> are worst of the week is next. next.

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it is saturday night, that means it is time for the worst of the week. donald trump says two corinthians as his go to book of the bible, which includes the verse we live by faith, not by sight. and you have to see trump's latest drift to believe it. let's start with what really kick this off, last month trump rolled out those golden maga sneakers for the low introductory price of $400. canterbury, the grip wafted with trump's victory 47 cologne for $99, and according to the website, its signature scent is strength and success, with notes of citrus, cedar, leather, and amber. but, one reviewer described it probably more accurately as, furniture polish sprayed on your back deck. this week twice impeached, quadruple indicted ex-president has launched his greatest pages

this venture yet. maga edition bibles that can be all yours for a mere $60. >> americans need a bible in their home, and i have many, it's my favorite book. i'm proud to endorse and encourage you to get this bible. we must make america pray again. i think you all should get a copy of god bless the usa bible now, and help spread our christian values with others. >> yes, because when i think of someone who knows all about the bible and its teachings, i think of donald trump. >> the bible means a lot to me but i don't want to get into specifics. >> even to cite a verse? >> i don't want to do that. >> old testament or new testament? >> probably equal. >> two corinthians, 3:17, that's the whole ball game. >> is that your bible?

>> it's a bible. >> that is the whole ball game. there's actually another bible verse that trump and his followers should know about. matthew 7:15, beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. let's bring back my panel to discuss this. molly, your reaction, the great grifter that he is, he is a gift or in some ways because he does give us these moments that we can laugh at, although it may come at the peril of our democracy and i feel sorry for the millions of americans who are coughing up their hard- earned money to smell victory 47. >> look, a president who sells bibles to raise money during holy week for his legal problems with an adult film star who he had an affair with when his third wife had delivered his fifth child. if that isn't something right out of a flannery o'connor story, i don't know what is.

and this is not, the thing is, it's scary, because he's in a democracy, and their publican party has gone along with his authoritarianism. but it is also right out of a coen brothers movie. >> your reaction to donald trump being the avatar of christian values? >> i think that was fascinating about it is the way his evangelical, pick and choose what they like and don't like about him. they have such an amazing propensity for cognitive dissonance that's really, it should be studied. it's hard to see how you come across, no, i want to live my life by the bible, that jesus teaches are so important, then you follow donald trump, what's really great about this is the way he's hawking it in a way that suggests it is a collectors item, that you should have several bibles in your home, that one isn't enough, the family heritage bible is not, that one says god bless the usa on it.

you hate america, then you need this bible. >> the crazy thing is this is not even the worst drift i would probably say, besides the sneakers, this is one that's been the case for me. the nft, the non-fundable token depicting trump as various characters including a superhero, a cowboy, and, believe it or not they were going for $99 at the time. he managed to raise about $1 million, so people are actually falling for this stuff. that's what's painful for the rest of us on the outside of the cold to see. >> a lot of these people are small dollar donors who are not going to benefit from the tax cuts for billionaires that donald trump would enact. and i think, he has brilliantly conned these people yet again. and it doesn't stop, and they are voting against their own

interests. they want, the stuff they had planned for project 2025, work requirements for food stamps, just craziness. >> let me bring into the mix another bonus worst of the week for you, this is michigan state presented of matt maddock, who tried to whip up anti-immigrant furor this week by claiming buses that appeared at the detroit airport were being loaded with illegal invaders. obviously, quick fact check on that, the only problem is the buses were for gonzaga basketball players arriving for the march madness tournament. believe it or not, still doubling down even after he was corrupted. corrected. >> wow. i to be able to have that level of confidence. >> you see a bus at an airport in this country now it only means one thing. >> period. if you see people getting on a bus with a police escort, the immediate first thought is, there is an invasion coming in the police are helping?

them? the fact that he is so willing to say these outlandish things, and expect to be rewarded for them and that he probably will be rewarded for them, by whatever carveout district he has in michigan, that's what i think is the most upsetting part, that he will face no repercussions for this, but, if he managed to lose his next election based off of this, fantastic, i would love to be wrong. >> to quote you, they're living on earth two, these folks. >> and he'll never apologize. >> he doesn't need to. >> he'll say that it was made up, that he was right, and the mainstream media was lying to you. >> anything short of gonzaga coming out and saying those were our buses and those were our players, he will just absolutely say, prove me wrong, otherwise. i saw what i saw. >> even then. he might dismiss them, exactly, he'll say gonzaga is in on it as well. molly jones, great to have you

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