me to be. >> what do we make of the mind boggling who done it where no one can say for sure who murdered diane leaving a father and son pointing the finger at each other, still professing love for diane and one still defiantly lying about having killed her. >> that's for for this edition of date line. thank you for watching. good morning. welcome to this fosaturday edition of morning joe weekend. it was another busy news week and we have a lot to talk

about. here are a few of the conversations we thought you shouldn't miss. >> we have some new polling to tell you about that shows a tight general election race between joe biden and donald trump. in the first, biden leads trump by three points, 48% to 45% among registered voters. that's within the poll's margin of error. that follows polling that shows a neck and neck battle for key swing states. in the latest poll, tied at 45% in michigan and pennsylvania. in wisconsin biden leads by a single point which is within the margin of error. molly is an msnbc political analyst and also with us, conservative attorney george

conway is back with us. the polling shows donald trump has a big problem. >> of course. >> with women voters. in the quinnipiac survey, 60% of women say uithey plan to vote f joe biden compared to 35% for trump. if that happens in november, it would be a three point improvement on biden's 2020 numbers, a year when women cast more votes than ever before and turned out at higher rates than men. if the would also mean a seven point drop in support for trump. >> by the way, you look at these numbers and i think we are going to be s seeing sort of a post state of the union lift for joe biden for quite sometime. because the republicans are such ch idiots when it comes to approaching joe biden. again, newt gingrich said it after '22 after they were idiots again and underestimated biden and democrats. and they lost.

gingrich said you know, we just keep underestimating this guy the same way democrats under estimated eisenhower and reagan. they kept getting beat. here we go again. and again we have a special election not in massachusetts, right, but in alabama in a republican district. a woman running on ivf, running on women's issues that impact men too. >> marilyn lands. >> wins in mea landslide in alabama. you are looking anat this polling. >> she's going to be on today. >> we are only in march. we're only in march. these democrats have been whining so much. the numbers are showing. it's going to be a tight race. but, you know, there is a reason the biden administration, why people in the white house are

as confident as they are. they believe they've got a candidate that they can pound politically from now until november, and they believe that they have an issue in women's rights, women's healthcare, and democracy that are going to carry them and democrats to victory. my god, if you have looked at anything over the past years, you gotta say well they know what they're talking about. >> alabama is such a great example because they really painted themselves into a corner with the idea that a five cell embryo is somehow a person. you saw it stopped ivf in the state and then the governor end endemnified clinics which means if you kill a five cell person, you are okay. they sort of never think through the legislation. they decide embryos are people

and this won't cause problems. and in fact it causes problems with birth control and ivf. in alabama the democrat won by 23 points. like, this is not normal. this is an electorate that is really worried that they're not going to be able to get birth control and ivf and these miracles of modern science that make america great. >> it's not just a miracle of modern science which again is extraordinary, and i don't know a family that's not touched by it including our own. it's just glorious for moms and dads that don't think they're going to be able to have babies to be able to have babies. that's the positive side of it as we talk about it. the negative side, i am reading

this abc news headline. >> chilling. >> a 13-year-old rape victim. let's stop right there. think about it, moms and dads, grand moms and granddads, because of donald trump who has bragged repeatedly that he terminated a woman's right to choose, because of donald trump, young rape victims are having state forced births. in this case, a 13-year-old rape victim has baby amid confusion over the state's ban. >> the dna from the baby actually is how they convicted the rapist. this girl was onraped in the ya and was too scared to talk

about it. her mother found out when she went to the hospital very sick. that is when the chaos started for this mom who worked several jobs, living on the edge, trying to get by. she noticed her daughter had become withdrawn, was changing, and then this revelation in the hospital. there was all this confusion. can you get the abortion healthcare you need? they didn't know. people were talking to her about her having to leave the state. this mom didn't have the $1,500 or whatever was necessary to ce get to another state, literally had to decide on going through with the pregnancy because she didn't understand what was available to her because of all the new laws in place. people were giving her the sense she would have to leave the state to get an abortion. >> doctors! >> it would have applied to her. >> doctors don't understand a lot of times. a lot of times, doctors are

scared to perform this because donald trump bragged about terminating roe v wade and bragged about sending it to the states. then state legislatures, as you said, they make the most extreme bills to play to their most extreme elements. and you end up having 10-year-old rape victims in ohio having to flee the state, 13-year-old rape victims here confused having to carry the baby to term. this is donald trump's america now. >> don't go away. morning joe w.weekend returns after just a short break. hort

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welcome back to morning joe weekend. let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before break. >> we have been talking a lot about all the money donald trump is going to have to pay. you look at how much of it is

self inflicted. about $90 million of that is self inflicted. with carroll the case was over and he started defending her again. the case is over. he pays, i don't know, 5, $10 million, a lot for other people but trump would say not for himself. then he ignores everything and starts defaming her again repeatedly. this time the court comes back and make a decision. i think the jury made the decision. we've got to do something to stop him from defaming the woman. you would think a 5 or $10 million verdict would be enough but it wasn't. so much whining as is always the case for donald trump, so much of his problems are self inflicted problems. and here we go again. i don't want to hear people say if he ends up going to jail for a couple nights for violating this order, it's on donald

trump. it's on him. the rest of us, 340 million americans, would not get away with what donald trump gets away. mark that down. 340 million of us would not get away with trashing a judge. >> not even close. >> lying about the judge's daughter. i practiced law for a few years and i practiced law long enough to know if you did something like this in northwest florida, you would be sent to jail for a night or two to think about it. >> it is a two tiered system of justice but donald trump's got the advantage. this gag is because of worries of threats of violence. there are many people attached to the trial, and others have received threats from trump supporters. this is to try to get trump to

stay quiet. he can't help himself. he has gotten himself in so much truth because he can't stop talking or truthing on his social media site. that will have implications for his criminal trial. we have been living with this for so long that trump is in legal trouble it will be jarring that as a former president, he will sit in a courtroom in a month's time and face charges. that's the political problem. he can't stop talking. famously he was disciplined for the last two weeks of the 2016 campaign. that did help him as he beat hillary clinton. biden campaign believes the more trump talks, the more he gets himself in trouble. legally and politically, the better it is for the president. >> i think they're right. i think trump will continue talking and they will continue, biden and democrats, to benefit from it because he appears unhinged to the voters. i think he must realize donald

trump wants to provoke a confrontation. he wants them to answer him and come down on him so he can play to his base, see what they're doing to me, not that he has provoked it. i mean to attack a judge's daughter and a judge that said don't do these kinds of things and as you rightfully say, with violence being threatened. we are not doing this to stop free speech. we are doing this because people are being threatened and potential jurors are concerned. i think it shows i responsibility of someone you would want to put behind the chair in the oval office, it is to me frightening. >> george conway and molly, george, you first, the reason for these gag orders as pointed out is because of the fear of violence and retribution. donald trump is proven on that point in many ways. we can talk for four hours

about all the ways he has threatened people. then of course we have january 6. i have to say i was watching one of his networks because i like to see what trump voters are hearing from places that call themselves news networks and they were talking about january 6 in a discussion, in a discourse, about us actually and saying we want to put out there that january 6 was more than just a little thing. and that is the problem with the discourse. >> just come out and say it, you can hear on fox news people saying nothing was wrong with january 6 for the most part. >> someone believes it was a little thing. >> others saying you know, that network, they sit there and people that watch that network think january 6 was an important event. and you are saying wait a second, were there nazi

newspapers in the 1930s saying crystal -- some people think that's a bad thing. the fact that donald trump has numbed people so much that the same people who said it was a horrible thing on january 7 are now coming back into the cult, back into the folds. some people are stupid enough to say that was a really terrible thing, mind blowing to me. >> that can't be the debate. >> mind blowing that they actually are able to say that on a network that's paid dearly for election lies. >> absolutely. they've created their own little bubble. it's a bubble trump lives in and a lot of the people who support him live in. the question is what do the people in the middle think? the people in the middle don't

want that chaos. they don't really want the chaos. they're not thinking about donald trump quite yet as much as all of us do. it's only march. i think the strategy that the biden campaign has which will be to keep pounding on him and pointing out the crazy, keep pointing out the abnormal in donald trump is the right one because it's going to have, as i like to say, kind of a feedback effect. the more you pound on him, and they have the resources, and it seems like they have the idea that they're going to pound on him in a way that they did not in 2020, you provoke him. and you get more of the conduct you can point to and say this man should not be anywhere near the steering wheel of an ice cream truck let alone the oval office. i think dynamics are going to work in favor, they're going to hurt donald trump as he becomes more exposed and faces more

pressure from the criminal cases. >> i think so. again, the fact that they are living in a bubble, donald trump is living in a bubble, reminds me so much of 2012 where mitt romney and his team watched fox news and nothing else. they looked at websites that told them they were up by 11 points in gallop poll. they believed until election night in what they were hearing inside the bubble. it's happening again. whether you are a fascist or a cult member or insurrectionist or a weirdo or just a freak, or just a confused person that's stumbled in the wrong direction, that is a bubble that has led to republicans losing in 2017, '18, '19, '20, '21, '23. little idiots over there that

say i am a left winger or something first of all, a 95% acu rating, i am more conservative than any of them, i was part of congress, and a part of the reason, if anybody was around they'll tell you, we balanced the budget for four years in a row for the first time and the only time in 100 years. so when i say all of this and say wake up, you are in a bubble, i am saying it as a conservative. these cult members will look at anybody, will look at liz cheney who has also 95% rating, look at me, look at george conway who liberals hated most of his life, look at people who gave their lives to the conservative cause saying wake up, wake up, you are going to lose.

they don't listen. instead, they try to shoot the messenger who is trying to help them. >> thank god because this is this very autocratic vision for america. we have one party that is not believing in the tenants of democracy. liz cheney, george conway, they're doing this because they're worried about american democracy. this is no longer about left or right. this is about our system of government verses some other trumpy fever dream. george and i are friends. we disagree vehemently on many things including abortion which we fight about all the time, and judges, and the supreme court, but we also. >> this is so good. this is what it is all about right here. this is what is lacking in our

political discourse. >> they fight. >> true. the republicans you named, their crime in their party is they spoke their mind. the problem we are seeing right now is you have a lot of people on the media that leans to the right and has that take and they are right now cutting down people for speaking their mind. they're right now cutting down people who speak their mind despite who pays them. and they are proving that they take one for the team every day. you don't know what you are watching. >> they actually admitted over the past week. >> time and time again. >> they said i would never say anything that my boss doesn't want me to say. >> insubordination. >> i would never speak my mind. they literally said that on the air. they called it insubordination. >> i am so confused.

>> they assured viewers they would never speak their mind. >> ever. >> if their boss didn't want them to speak their mind. >> no convictions, no core values. >> we speak in stereo because we believe it a lot. >> we keep talking about it. >> go ahead. i was talking to my friends. >> that's one of the reasons when the tucker carlson stuff was going on and all the texts came out, americans got to read the texts and found out wait a second, they're lying on the air. this is not what they believe. they're lying to us because we are seeing texts of what they really believe. it's the same thing here. when they go i would never say anything my boss didn't want me to. >> i truly believe in my heart. >> what planet are they on? >> planet tucker. >> i just have to finish with

you, george. i have to say, one of my favorite moments, outside of this, we talk politics for hours, outside of this i get off the air and i don't talk politics. if i am walking through an airport and somebody says i used to like you when you were a conservative. >> oh please don't do that. >> i am like really? then i go down the list of issues. where are you on this? where are you on this? you are a liberal on spending if you support donald trump. then you go down the list of things. it is so funny, george, you and i were conservatives and are conservatives but we were conservatives when some of the women on fox who call us liberals were still playing with their barbies, ava brawn edition, they were fighting for conservative values, fighting to

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people vote, because healthcare is an issue which shows best of joe biden and worst of donald trump. they came to talk about healthcare access, and every single person in north carolina cares about that. we already have a million people on the marketplace for the affordable care act. we just in a very difficult bipartisan hard working way were able to expand medicaid and we're signing up 1,000 people a day. i think one of my best days as governor was to be able to hand penny a new healthcare card. she had battled cancer, was a working person but had fallen in the gap. because of medicaid expansion she was able to finally get health insurance along with hundreds of thousands of other people. to put that in place, joe biden as vice president, had to get the affordable care act in place. we are celebrating 14th

anniversary of that. we had to work hard getting republican sheriffs, republican rural county commissioners, chambers of commerce, to force republican legislature to expand medicaid. it was a coalition of people. now donald trump wants to come and that healthcare card away from penny. mark robinson, who is running for governor against our democratic nominee, our attorney general josh stein, wants to do the same thing. people aren't going to stand for that in north carolina. if we can continue to talk about these issues, this contrast in healthcare, in women's reproductive health, in going back to the culture wars which north carolina doesn't want to do. remember that battlefield of the bathroom bill that not only was wrong in and of itself but turned business away from north carolina. now we are number one state for

business two years in a row. why do we want to go back to those policies in north carolina? i believe at the end of the day, we can turn north carolina blue. elect josh stein as governor and we can win the state for joe biden. >> governor, i think the winning issues are there for sure. but i want to ask you a question that i have asked a few others on the show this morning. how do democrats in north carolina cope with that contrast, with the alternative donald trump, who is compelling to a lot of north carolina voters, who is selling bibles, his own god bless america or usa holy bible during a religious holiday, and using religion now in a distorted way, if i may, to make money that probably will be used for his legal bills in a

hush money case which involves having sex with a porn star and paying her off to keep her mouth shut, i know it is explicit and difficult, but how do you cope with the reality of the alternative who is compelling, who really sweeps a lot of voters up into excitement to vote for him? >> it's hard to comprehend, but it is there and it is real. we know that all too well in north carolina. because donald trump has won our state two times. i think people have struggled to get their head around the fact that this is actually going to be a rematch of the 2020 election. i think every day working people who are worried about feeding their family and getting healthcare and looking after their parents or grandparents, making sure their kids get a good education, they really aren't thinking about politics.

i think polls reflect that this really can't be a rematch. the fact is it is going to be a choice between joe biden and donald trump. we believe we can get people, when they know women's reproductive freedom is on the line, and majority of people in north carolina support women's reproductive freedom, when they know healthcare is on the line and clearly donald trump has said he wants to do away the repeal and replace thing. he said the repeal a lot. but there is really no replace. we believe we can increase turn out of democrats in all areas of the state particularly in counties like mecklenburg, charlotte, which has more registered democrats than any other county. their turn out has been pretty low. when we can get people fired up and understanding what's at stake here, our democracy is

indeed on the ballot. when we pull them together, we believe we can push this thing over the top. it was very close last time. in 2016, trump beat hillary clinton by 3.6%. he only beat joe biden by 1% .3%. our counties and cities are getting bluer. we are the third fastest growing state in the country. a lot of people coming into north carolina are college educated. demographics are trending our way. i think it is important for this country that north carolina do well because the road to the white house might very well go through north carolina. we are fighting hard here. we know what's on the line. coming up, as obamacare again becomes a central campaign issue, donald trump does another about face as president biden seeks to give the law more

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biden and trump campaigns went after one another over whether or not trump will repeal obamacare, should he be reelected. he wrote i am not to running to terminate the apartment ca as

crooked joe buden disinformation and misinformation all the time. in other words, make the aca much, much better for far less money or cost. the biden campaign responded by writing a feeble confused trump posts a typo riddled rant misspelling biden, disinforms, misinforms and other basic words. the campaign posted a montage of trump threatening to repeal obamacare. take a look. >> i told the republicans. i said if you really wanted to do something, just let it explode. then they'll come begging us to fix it. okay. begging. >> this is a newer subject but obamacare is a disaster. i said we're going to do something about it. >> we're going to win by knocking the hell out of

obamacare, terminating it, coming up with something much less expensive, much better. >> all right. clare mccasskill, i am thinking about that post former president trump put out. some might say if you think the cult leader fascist want to be isn't losing it, i have a bible to sell you. >> yeah, i hope the people who buy that bible read it. because if they do, they will realize they have done some things jesus specifically warned about. that is, following a false prophet, following someone who does not represent values of christianity in any way whatsoever. listen, just in november 2023, trump put out something on his social media saying how bad it

was that the republicans didn't vote in large enough numbers to terminate aca last time he tried. so i was there. i watched them try to terminate without anything to replace it with. and i think now obamacare or aca is so deeply engrained in our healthcare system, so many people are getting benefits from it, millions. we have more people that have healthcare today than ever before in this country. that is because of the law. it was hard at first because it was change and change is always hard. but now he is really barking up the wrong tree on this. i think it is one of many things including women's healthcare generally and the freedom for them to get the healthcare they need is going to be front and center in this campaign. it should be the culture war of the campaign. >> we are talking about the

rapid response lately, aggressive posture that the biden campaign has taken about donald trump, about being feeble minded and weak and all the things donald trump is accusing of joe biden being, also we should point out to remember joe buden and the pump it up iconic hip hop song. >> the biden campaign seized upon the typoand responded with the tweet. this is of course part of the president's reelection campaign which is in full force with the president visiting eight swing states. biden has cris crossed the country. campaign stops have focused on

border security, reproductive care, celebrating chips and science actin vestment. he won three by less than 1% in 2020. you can comment on joe budden if you like. it's more about what we have seen. reassured democrats, democrats nervous he wasn't up for the job. that clearly worked. it also blitz of travel. he is raising a lot of money. he will be with former presidents obama and clinton. compare that with donald trump who is barely on the road at all. >> i don't hear him talking about the basement much anymore. we've got a situation where joe biden is aggressively going out to swing states and campaigning vigorously. meanwhile, we have a fat guy sitting on a golf cart. you know, he is not doing

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>> a lot of smart talented educated people. >> that was a look at the hbo series which takes a look inside the disturbing tall of a california based rehab center founded by the charismatic leader. it grew to be a multistate self sustaining business operation until it was brought down by allegations of physical and psychological abuse and conspiracy to commit murder. joining us is series director and executive producer. it's great to have you back on the show. thanks fog being on.

tell us with a drew you to do this series. >> well, it's a fascinating story honestly. it's one that is largely unknown about, as you say, this charismatic leader who started the first drug treatment program in the united states, residential treatment program for heroine addicts. in 1958 there were really no options for heroine addicts. they either went to prison or went to an insane asylum or they died. he started an initiative that was like aa where they would have meetings but you could confront people on their stories. drug users started coming in, and they wanted to stay. he opened it up to this residential facility called synanon which was enormously

innovative and very successful in the early years. >> rory, synanon, when you hear the word, you flash back and think oh this is a recoup recooperative place. why did it go so long on people unfocused on what it had become. >> i think it was like the story of the frog in the boiling water. it was a series of decisions made over many years where it became increasingly rigid and there were numerous mandates. the mandates started as things that now today many of us are doing or trying to do, no sugar, exercising, and then the mandates started evolving to getting people's heads shaved

and to having forced abortions and vasectomies. it became more and more rigid. i think you have -- you know, i think one of the reasons it's i think timely today is because it really speaks to these charismatic leaders and how they take us in directions that we might not want to go. we are certainly seeing that in national politics today, where people are drawn to these kind of charismatic leaders, and they tell us what to do. i think when society feels unsettled and you are feeling ungrounded you are looking for alternatives much like we are seeing today honestly. >> rory, you are in this given that your brother is making a presidential bid. do you feel his charisma is what's drawing him to get such

a fantastic response frankly for an independent candidate? >> he is enormously charismatic. he is very smart and he offers a lot. but i do think that my biggest concern about bobby right now, who i love dearly, is that running as an independent candidate that he is going to siphon votes from biden. polls i am seeing shows he takes 70% of the votes from biden and 30% from trump. i think this election is going to be, it's going to happen in a handful of states and the votes are going to be very small in terms of what is going to elect the next president of the

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morning and we have a lot to get to. take a look at some of the most important conversations we had in the last week >> you know, willie, there has been some whining by-- a few people. and of course, gloating by trumper's. this is so terrible, star- studded fundraiser, the same day that trump went to a funeral, you know, again, we salute anybody that will go to the funeral of an slain nypd officer. this is an event that has been scheduled for a very long time. this is an event, where they had an opportunity to get three democratic presidents together to explain, not only to their base, but also independent swing voters, republicans that could be moved, why this election is so important. you talk about the bully pulpit that a president has this is three bully pulpits on stage,

and it was quite a remarkable night. yes there were protests outside, the protest on college campuses. the rookie protest that the chicago convention. i think people need to stop wringing their hands. the fact is that donald trump has been hiding in florida, going to court rooms, playing at club championships and miraculously winning another club championship from a club that he is the owner of. so, the whiners, you know what? just keep it to yourself if you really think the setup was bad, because it wasn't it was, again, it was a massive, massive success for joe biden, for the campaign, not only for the democratic party, but for pro-democracy forces. >> and as you say in this moment, important to see the solidarity between those three presidents, particularly with president obama, given some of the splintering report about, rumbling from certain factions inside the party that are

frustrated with joe biden for this reason or that, to show and to hear last night in that room, president obama and president clinton's and, guys, we will always have differences within our party, but this is too important, we have got to get on board and get donald trump out of the white house and reelect joe biden, that was their message anyway. joining us now, chairman of the democratic national committee, jimmy harrison last night's event also with us, also white house correspondent, one of the few reporters inside the room. plus host for the podcast donny deutsch and staff writer at the atlantic, mark lever which. teddy k, eugene robinson, a full house is return to the top of another hour, and chairman harris, i will start with you, the event last night, we will start with you, what is significance for the three free presence on stage? >> i can tell you it was electric it was just amazing inside that house. there was such unity within the

democratic party those three presidents represent honesty, decency, men of character, who, as president understood that america's greatness was not tied into one body of one individual, but america's greatness is in its people, in the diversity of its people. these are men who understand that, you know, their jobs as president of united states is about having progress over chaos . it is about making sure that we are moving forward in this country and so, it was our beyonce moment, because it was the time democrats were getting in formation, because we understand what the task is. protecting american democracy from someone who wants to be a dictator on day one, somebody who believes in political retribution, and, of course, $26 million, the largest event ever, and that money will go straight into the field. we have already opened really

over 100 offices across the country, republicans haven't opened anything, they have opened a line of credit because they are broke, but they haven't opened the offices. we have been hiring border protection staff, so, we are ready, because we know what is at stake. america's freedoms are at stake, and we are going to do everything in our power to protect those. >> i mean, yeah, you are exactly right, american's freedom is a vacant anybody who pretends there is anything less than that, we have a guy that schemed with electors, a guy that went out of his way to scheme with voters from certifying election results, a guy who has said he is going to terminate the constitution, a guy who has said he is going to execute generals. a guy who has said he is going to find media companies guilty

for treason. a guy who has said he is going to be dictator on day one, that he is going to immediately jail his political opponents. i could do this all day. so, yeah, there's so much at stake. so, democrats, again, they don't need to wring their hands. when they have a great night, it was a great night for the democrats to show united democratic party to get more money, to invest in groundwork, to get people out to vote, while donald trump is canceling events. he is canceling hispanic outreach, he is canceling so many other things. i have seen democrats, with a look out of touch. i have seen democrats, when they wring their hands for looking out of touch. this isn't a democratic party that, at this event with barack obama, bill clinton and joe biden, that look out of touch. those are democratic leaders-- those are presidents who have spent a generation, and the democratic party, the base that joe biden needs to bring together needs to hear from them in a united voice. and last night they did.

that is good news, and if you have people on fox news today and people on newsmax, and people across the trump far right, whining and screaming, well, it is because they know how good that event went last night. how much money the campaign god, and just what that means, when they are cheering on a guy, who is spending his money on lawyers and lawsuits. >> yeah, you are heading hinting at the text that let mere suggested he had earlier, and that i've had overnight from the trump campaign said that biden's big opportunity didn't call the widow of the fallen police officer, who was killed in a traffic stop and donald trump went out to the week. but you had the cast of democratic political know-how there. those are two presidents who have both won reelection and are now lending all of the their star power and their eggs. and their money raising capabilities to joe biden to help them try to win reelection

as well. and they are doing so, you know, with advice and private and also in public. it is unlikely that, after the success of raising 26 million dollars last night we won't see something like this happening again, and barack obama has made it very clear that he is going to put all of the way he can behind the biden campaign could there may have been tensions between the two men in the past, but you heard from barack obama last night. this is very much about making sure that donald trump does not get into the white house, and at the same time, not just focusing it on donald trump, but realizing have to sell joe biden's story as well. don't go away, morning joe weekend returns after just a short break. t break. otc strength lidocaine that contours to the body to relieve pain right where it hurts. and did we mention, it really, really sticks? salonpas, it's good medicine.

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disagreements with the biden administration, i know the nation can survive that policy. we can survive a president, who is willing to torch the constitution. >> well, they probably don't like death threats, nicole, we can probably start there. that could be the number one reason, but ultimately, with the generals, it has to do with their respect for the dignity of the constitution and not want to bring military leadership into the political fray, but at the end of the day, what liz cheney is saying is so true, and is so alarming that, if we don't do it, i don't know who will do it, and i am certainly worried about everything that she is saying. >> that is donald trump's former communications director, anthony scaramucci, on morning joe last week, explain why more republicans want speak out against trump. liz cheney's concerns that trump will scorch the constitution if he is reelected. and, you know, this is an

argument i have made for some time, that-- that we can survive that policy, we really can, we have survived back home policy. we have survived it for 8 years. we just -- we have a system that rounds off the sharpest edges, even though there are extremists who love to say that america is terrible and it is this and it is that. we are not, we are a great country, greatest economy in the world, greatest military in the world, greatest soft power in the world, greatest cultural exports of the world, greatest higher education institutions in the world, greatest medical facilities in the world. when people come to america, they come to america-- there was a speech a couple of nights ago, by a cofounder of home depot, who said why do you think there are so many immigrants, complaining of the southern border. i said, why are the people at

the southern border, they are not russia's eastern border, they are not trying to get into china, they are coming to america, trying to get here. why? because we are better than any other country, the american dream is great, and it is great, mark leibowitz, because we have had a frustrating, slowly driven system of checks and balances that have worked and kept us where we are, over 240 years, people love to about it, but again, it is not a coincidence that we have the strongest military in the world, that we have the strongest economy in the world, that we have got to be strongest, most power-- soft power in the world, you name it. we are at the top of the list. and that is so critically important. so, we can afford-- i will even say this. we can afford a president from

ideologically, from mike pence, survive a president, from mike pence to bernie sanders, politically, as long as they respect the constitution, as long as they respect the rule of law, as long as they respect checks and balances, liz puts it perfectly, we can survive bad policy, we can't survive a bad heart that wants to undermined, terminate, scorch the constitution, and executed for treason anybody who disagrees with him. >> i mean, i do think the role of the liz cheney's in this election is going to be vital, because what she, and people like her do is that, she kind of takes this election out of the normal template of left versus right, democrat versus republican, and puts the trump option in a completely

different category. i mean, it is constitution versus on constitution, it is decency versus indecency, it is, you know, illiberalism versus normal politics. liz cheney can do that, you saw the crowd she got in iowa, that is pretty astounding. she will be continuing to do that. like you said, there are a lot of people who watch that, you pay attention to it, many of them are republicans, many of them have voted for a democrat before 2016 and look, there are others who could do that. i would be really interested to see if someone, like mike pence, so anyone, like paul ryan, someone, like john kelly, i mean, there's no shortage of people who have seen the republicans, who have seen firsthand what this could look like or, what this has looked like and what it could look like, going forward. and again, it takes this election and puts it in a completely different context, which is, you know, quite stark and quite scary, given the

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you will see that pink hearing from space. seriously, if the sun reflects off of that thing during the eclipse it will look like a scene, from oppenheimer. >> transit officials in new york city are once closer to implementing a controversial congestion pricing plan. the gave approval to the pricing program yesterday. the plan calls for a $15 total from most passenger cars then drive into manhattan in south 60th street, during daytime hours, one of the interesting notes about this is that actually they singled out tj, they can charge and double. i don't know why, but they actually put his name in the bill. there will be challenges from six lawsuits before it can go into effect. >> it is because he drives a bug. >> in june. >> anyhow, the biden administration recently announced a new set of carbon emissions. >> i love the bugs.

i always wanted one. >> i did too. >> anyhow. >> carbon emission regulations for automakers that will accelerate the industry's transition to electric vehicles. under the new rules the environmental protection agency said that electric vehicles account for more than half of all four sales by 2032, up from just 7.6% in 2023. major automotive companies, racing to convert to electric vehicles, including volkswagen, the german automaker, which also owns a majority share in the charging station company, electrify america, is prioritizing a push to sell more in the u.s. and around the world, like the all electric i.d. bus, a take on the classic vw microbus. >> i need it now. >> i like the bugs. >> i need it now.

>> joining us now, president and you will's wagon group of america, pablo dc. >> pablo, pablo. pablo. >> i had a-- >> a convertible but? >> a bus, no ibw. >> that is embarrassing. you drive a bus? you drove the vw bus? >> whatever you call it, i don't know, but it was awesome and i had it, but i have been waiting for-- and i know we are here to talk about everything important, the environment and everything, but i have been waiting for your new bw bus for -- >> he seriously wants one. >> for years now. >> when? when can i go into a vw dealership and get one of these things? literally five years i've been waiting for this. >> good morning, joe, ask for having me. >> after this interview, after this interview we can go there first, i drove on the i.d.

bus today, the american version. you don't need to wait until the year end. so-- seriously now we will launch the i.d. bus later this year. so come by q4 we will launch the bus. so, we created a line of traffic congestion, here in new york, because everybody is taking selfies and looking at the bus when we drove here. >> really, so that is the problem? i just want to know if they are going to bring the bug back. is the bug gone forever? >> for the time being it is. we don't have any plans at the moment, but we will bring the bus by year-end. >>,, by year-end, pablo, i'm going told you to this, i'm going to hold you to this. >> i will be proud of you, getting an ev. i just think you and a bus-- >> i love it. so, let's talk about it. there's a huge debate going on in the united dates right now

about electric vehicles. are we pushing to pad fast? we always have this happening to us, where we are trying to move ahead, and there's always a question of are we moving ahead as a country faster on an idea than consumers are ready to latch onto, what are your thoughts? >> let me tell you that there are two key pieces of legislation's going on at the same time that are critical to the u.s. the vision reduction act that is a transformative legislation that will bring all of the jobs and their research and development into the u.s. in the next couple of years and then the epa ruling. so, the epa ruling is the most aggressive piece of legislation for the environment. we will be sitting over 7 billion co2 tons over the five- year period, and the transition will be available for u.s. consumer in electric host so, i

think the future is electric, there's no doubt about it. and we are going to need to work together with other automakers and the government to build infrastructure as time goes by. >> i will ask you about that side of it pablo, which is the infrastructure side. i think one of the frustrations of people are waiting in line for a charge, not knowing where the next charging station will be, so i guess urinalysis is you guys are ready on your side of, making the electric vehicles, you know where it's going. the infrastructure has to catch up is that fair to say? >> absolutely, and we have been building the i.d. for in tennessee. that is last year. we are the only foreign automaker that gets a $7000 credit, which means we have vertical iced in the u.s., so we have a supply chain in the u.s., so now, with the consumer goes to our vehicle, they love the vehicle, but from a convenience point of view, when they need to charge it, they

need more infrastructure and energy. so, this is a job electrify america and then some venous apologies and different government agencies. >> what role does president biden have? movement in electric vehicles, we hear from him a lot, this is the future here, but what more can the federal government do to ease the transition? >> i think the ira is a great use of the station, not only to bring manufacturing jobs, but the innovation allocating to renewable energy and infrastructure. so, there are many companies that are outside the automotive world investigating. so i think it is a question of time, not 10 years, 20 years, the next five or six years, we will see a huge transformation in the number of infrastructure in u.s. in a positive way and then we need to go into the cities for example in new york.

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donald trump's hush money trial has issued a new limited gag order on the former president, because he was spouting off again, disrespectfully. under the new ruling, trump is barred from making public statements about likely witnesses and jurors. he must also refrain from discussing lawyers, court staff, employees in the manhattan district attorney's office, and their family members. in his order, the judge said the move was necessary, because trump's prior statements establish a quote, sufficient risk to the administration of justice. and with his legal bills piling up, donald trump is turning to religion of sorts, for some help. though, not in the traditional way, more culturally actually. in a social media post, the presumptive 2024 republican nominee announced he is hawking, his own version of the bible, take a look. >> i am proud to be partnering

with my very good friend, lee greenwood, who doesn't love his son, god bless the usa, in connection with promoting the god bless the usa bible, this bible is the king james version, and also includes our founding father documents, yes, the constitution, which i am fighting for every single day, christians are under siege, we must protect content that is pro-god, we love god. i am proud to endorse and encourage you to get this bible. we must make america pray again, i think you all should get a copy of god bless the usa bible now and help spread our christian values with others. >> trump's version of the good book is selling for $60 before shipping. this, of course, follows his other business ventures, such as trump stakes, trump water, trump university. last month he also unveiled trump branded sneakers going for $400 a pair and, in december

even started selling pieces of the suit he was wearing, when he got indicted last summer. the trump bible website states that none of the profits will go toward his 2024 campaign. there is no mention, however, about whether the money might go toward his legal fees. let's bring in our msn be see contributor, charlie sykes. he has a new piece from msnbc.com, titled republicans are not as united behind trump as they appear. i definitely want to hear about that, but i first want to get you and sam on this. this bible seems to me to be a new level of cult. it also, if you listen to his comments it is painful, but i did, he blames america for everything he has done to it. which is especially culty.

what can be said, charlie, to a person who gets out their credit card and purchases a god bless the usa bible? >> the first thing is, oh my god! it is not only cultic, it is thrifty, it is so much on brand for donald trump, i mean, obviously he is playing on the themes that i am the defender of christianity, encouraging the christian nationalists out there, but i think the thing you can't take your eyes off of is that he is, modifying the bible during holy week and selling it for $60 and this money might go to pay some of the legal fees for his relationship with a porn star that he paid off, let us pray here. the cynicism here is not a new story, but i just want to remind people that donald trump has been asked in the past, what is your favorite verse in

the bible and he has no idea. he talks about two corinthians, he's been asked by faith leaders, do you ever ask for forgiveness? you ever prayed, and not really. conservative evangelical christians have swallowed this, so i don't expect that they are not going to swallow-- that they are going to draw the line, when it comes to this, but this is so much donald trump. it is such an artifact of this political moment, where, this-- elmer gantry grifter, who sells -- you know, who sells the golden tennis shoes is now selling the bible to christians at this particular moment. and you cannot make it up, and this is the-- this is earth 2.0. >> and sam, charlie makes the important point here that, while he is on trial for paying off a porn star for an affair he had while his wife was home with a newborn child, he is

asking his supporters to buy his version of the bible for $60, undoubtedly going to pay legal fees for that same case, and many others. the idea that donald trump, as spouses quote, christian values, as you said in that ad, is ludicrous on its face, but people are going to buy the thing, we know that. >> it is quite the contrast, right? the gag order bought by the bible video. this is been something that has been evident with trump for a while now. there is sort of an infamous pool in the 2016 race, where white evangelical voters were asked by others, both before and then after the revelation of stormy daniels allegations, and the point went up which was the shocking. i suppose it says more about the voters than trump. obviously this is part, as charlie said, of what trump does, he said every sold everything from stakes, to

bibles, to water, to shoes and this is just as brandon people buy into it literally. i think the other element of the story that probably should be noted is that it does raise, kind of important questions about our camp and for campaign finance system. not the stakes and the bible so much as he is going public, truth social is going public right now on the stock exchange and it has raised a huge amount of money and evaluation. that money will be used, likely, by trump, to pay off, not just his legal bills, but potentially he can use that money to help is on campaign efforts and that really does raise questions about the holes we have in our campaign finance system and how easy it is, frankly who by bibles, but want to influence trump with huge checks to get around our laws and get money to a campaign. next up, you won't want to miss this, steve ratner joins us to show the stark difference in

fundraising between biden and trump. morning joe will be right back.

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so, as the latest bowling between president biden and donald trump show, the close races in several swing states, another barometer, money racing shows it is not much of a con test at all, if you are looking just at that, former treasury official, morning joe economic analyst, steve ratner, so steve, what can you tell us? >> we've got the february fundraising numbers in command as you suggest, there are very good news for joe biden and not such good news for donald trump, so, let's take a look at the scoreboard, what you can see in february is that president biden, plus the democratic national committee together raised a total of $53 million versus only 30 million dollars for the republicans, so, 60% more money raised for

the democrats, versus the republicans, and that continues a trend that has been going on throughout this cycle, joe biden out raising-- substantially out raising donald trump, $248 million raised so far by the biden campaign and the dnc, versus just 92 million by trump and his affiliated committees. and this is-- i'm sorry, and in terms of spending you can see that biden is spending a lot less. biden has spent $92 million so far, versus $125 million for trump, so spending less and raising more than trump, and that is not a good recipe for the trump campaign. >> and steve, as you move your second chart, it sort of explains perhaps why, because a lot of the money that donald trump is in fact raising is going to his legal fees. >> yeah. that is a little known fact that should become a better known fact, so you can understand what is happening with your money, but first take

a look with the disparity in cash on hand. the democrats have $155 million on hand, the republicans, just 48 million, i heard you talk about trump perhaps canceling a rally, because he doesn't have money, you can see has money went down for a while and ticked up right here. raising more, spending less, has a lot to do with it. but as you said, legal fees have something to do with this too. so, here's how it works. trump has a committee, called the committee, which does all of the chart fundraising, between how trump and the rnc, but what is not well-known, and you can look all throughout the fine print, and you really want to understand this, is how it works. the first $6600 that somebody gives goes to the trump campaign, what we used to call hard money. primary, technically a general, but 6600. the next $5000 that someone gives goes to the save america pack, and that save america pac

has been shoveling money over into trump's legal fees, i think it was $47 million, last i looked, that is paying for his legal fees, so if you get $10, a lot of your money will go to trump's legal fees, and then after that, money goes to the rnc and state committees, but this is pretty well hidden in anything you can find in the trump documents. >> fascinating, and so important for people to know, you think you are supporting a presidential campaign and you are trying to support donald trump staying out of jail. for the most part, the financial times reported a few weeks ago that it is fewer numbers at this time in the campaign than he did four years ago, they don't want their money going to the legal fees. let's move to your last chart, trump is ahead from small donors, what is the spread there, steve? >> this is interesting, and this is something that the biden campaign is focused on and is thinking about, because it is a change in what is been happening before, but if you look at small donors, and you

look at $200 or less, the biden campaign is significantly lacking the trump campaign in this one category, and that is very different than what happened in 2020, in this cycle, where, and this is the full cycle for 2020, where the biden campaign substantially out raised trump among small donors, so there is a shift here, and it may reflect the enormous passion of trump's base, and some of the issues biden maybe having with his small donors. but on the big donors cited is the opposite, and you can see on the big donor's side, interestingly, biden has just crushed trump, and so, the people who are financially better off, able to give more, really are not enthusiastic at all about trump. after the break we will have a preview of a new series on hulu that follows one jewish family's escape from the holocaust. we will be right back. back.

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my family over and over is like i am writing into a void. >> the germans are already at our doorstep. it is getting worse. >> let our family be unlike.

>> that is a look at the new hulu miniseries, we were the lucky ones, based on the "new york times" best selling book of the same title. the story follows the kirks, a member of a jewish family in poland after they endure the holocaust, after they were separated at the beginning of world war ii. joining us now, the show's costars, joey king and logan lerman. and the author, who also serves as a co-executive producer for the project. tell us the amazing true story of her family's history. thanks for being here. this is an extraordinary sears, and georgia, have to start with you, because this is your story, this is the story of your family, and you can talk to us, what it is like to see it on a screen now, after having it in the pages of a book for so long, but for the few people who have not read the book, just a little

background on the story, which you only learned as a teenager? >> sure. yeah, it has been a part of my life for the last 28 years, it dates back the origin story to when i was 15, and a high school teacher assigned as a project, and i sat down with my grandmother, caroline, and that is when i discovered my grandmother's story, what logan plays in the show. i learned that i was a quarter jewish, and came from holocaust survivors, left with a lot of curiosity and a lot of questions. i went out, met some family members at a family reunion some years later, learning bits and pieces of the greater quartz family narrative, and there were stories unlike anything i had ever heard before, and i think it was then, i was 21 years old, and i think it is then i realized someone needs to try to capture these and write them down. i set off in 2008 to do that, to honor and record the story, really to honor the family members, to get it to paper and to tell it in a way that my kids and their kids and so i could pick it up and relate to it. it took about a decade before

the book came out in 2017, and then my dear friend, tommy kale called and said, hey, pal, how would you like to bring this to the screen together? and, yeah, for its to have a chance to have a new life felt exciting, we have been friends for 25 years, to be able to work with him was incredible. we brought erika lopez on, who i adore and we found this incredible cast, incredible group of riders, and you know, you spend-- as a grand daughter, i had spent so long imagining what my grandfather's life would have been like in those years, and his siblings and his parents, his young niece, so, to see it come to life, through the unbelievable performances of this cast and all of the sets, the hair and makeup, the costumes, the props, like, every aspect of a show, suddenly became so real. i came to know my ancestors in a new way, i am just so excited and i feel lucky to have been a

part of it. >> it for you two to have the responsibility of carrying the story and i will start with you, you played addie, georgia's grandfather, when you first heard the story, how did it impact you? >> i found it so compelling. the first thing i read was the book, we didn't have! yet, with the creative team approached me, as part of this, and, you know, initially, when i have submitted a project that is based on history, i am a little hesitant. i asked the question, why, why tell this now? what does this project have to say? sometimes it is fiction that i am submitting, and the truth is important, and the research that george and her family did into, you know, her family's history and her background just was so deep, was so rich in your writing, and these were stories i hadn't seen explored before in film or television,

particularly body, your grandfather's story, the family of a refugee that is gesturing to find a country that will let them in. while he searches for his family. and it was just a great opportunity for me as an actor. >> so, joey, you play alina, joey's sister, how does she fit into the story? >> yes. >> this incredible story. >> so, helena is the youngest of the quartz siblings, she goes on a very wild journey. when we first meet her, she is a very young girl with a lot of ambitions, and she is a bit naove in a sweet way, and has a lot of, you know, just gusto about her, and our story takes place over nine years, and we see her grow up really, really fast, and she kind of gets thrust into this role in the family, of keeping everyone as safe as possible, by maneuvering things, to move everyone around, get false papers going. she is just orchestrating as much as she humanly possibly

can, and helena likes to-- it was really hard for her when she couldn't have control over her situation, because she is really good at orchestrating, and that was really interesting to play with, because she is also going through really, you know, human like things in the middle of this too, like love, and the complicated feelings of love, i mean, it is just -- helena was the joy of a lifetime to play, the owner of a lifetime to bring georgia's story to life. i mean, her family, it is just -- it is unbelievable. it is beyond words to be able to describe how much it means and helena is probably one of my favorite people i have ever played in the world. it was a big responsibility, such an honor. >> joe? >> and georgia, let's talk about, i mean-- lucky? that is a lot of work here, the word lucky. in poland, 3 million jews at the start of the war.

90% annihilated by the holocaust, by the war across poland, and your family's hometown, 300,000 juice at the start of the war, only 300 survived out of that, the fact that your family was able to survive is just extraordinary. >> yeah, they truly were a statistical anomaly, and when i first set out in my research, i think that was one of the things that struck me the most was just how unusual their story was. that is all the time we have for today, but we will be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern, up next it is the weekend, with michael steele, alicia mendez, and simone sanders townsend. send. good morning. it is saturday,