mike johnson, the republican speaker of the house, handed over every ounce of negotiating power to chuck schumer and the democrats and went ahead and funded the government when this was our point of leverage. republicans had the power of the purse. this was our power. this was our leverage. this is our chance to secure the border. he didn't do it. >> as the congresswoman continues to speak from just outside the capitol, i want to than susan for being with us. that wraps up the hour for me. see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news." thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news coming up. she will speak with cindy mccain, executive director for the world program about the need to get food and other aid into gaza. that starts now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," speaker johnson risking right wing anger by steering the budget bill through the house with the help from democrats. now the drama shifts to the

senate. we will bring you the latest. russia and china blocking a u.s./gaza cease-fire resolution and hostage resolution from passing in a blow to the administration's strategy. i will talk to the u.n. ambassador. prime minister netanyahu rebuffs secretary of state blinken's appeals on aid and rafah. the secretary signaling support to hostage families, cheering him on as he left his hotel in tel aviv today. >> we are determined to do everything we can to get there and to get people home. the negotiators will be working intensely to see if we can get that done. donald trump bragging that he has $500 million for his campaign, even though he has not funded his presidential bid since 2016 and he is now also contradicting his lawyers who told the new york court he has no money to pay for $500 million

for a bond due monday in the civil fraud case. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington on a busy news day. it's down to the wire again in congress. trying to prevent a partial government shutdown 12 hours from now. within the past hour, the house voted 286-134 with 185 democrats helping mike johnson pass the $1.2 trillion spending plan to fund most of the government for the next six months. during that vote, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene filed a motion to vacate, which will trigger a vote to oust congressman mike johnson as speaker of the house. she is speaking on the house steps right now. more on what she's been saying ahead. the spending deal has to be passed by the senate, which is expected do that quickly partly as a courtesy to susan collins, who needs to be home for her mother's funeral. any single senator could hold it up at the last minute.

the deal rolls six annual spending bills into one. the final text was released yesterday. it's more than 1,000 pages long. among the big holdups was homeland security funding for the border. adding to the concerns is the wild video of migrants rushing a fence near el paso, texas. the spending bill includes a compromise of nearly half a billion dollars for border patrol agents and funds and 41,000 beds at detention centers. there are concerns about millions of dollars in earmarks added to the deal on everything from childcare to cancer research. it does face pending senate amendments, possible repeat of senator michael bennet's past threats to delay and protest for stalled funding for ukraine, which is not going to come up for at least another month. the deadline is midnight tonight. as congress prepares to go on a two-week recess for easter holiday. we start off with ryan nobles. you have been busy everywhere.

where does the count stand? are there any alarm bells, especially as it now heads to the senate? what do you think about this motion to vacate? is that symbolic? is that real? that's one of the new house rules that was passed last year, kevin mccarthy legacy, that speaker johnson certainly alluded to. he will try to get rid of at end of this year if he is still the speaker. right? >> reporter: right. so much to unpack there. let's first start with this house vote. i don't think it came as a surprise the measure passed. it really snuck through by what is essentially a narrow margin, because it needed to pass with two-thirds of a majority. it ended up with 68% of house members voting yes. that was enough. there's also a lot to dig into when you look at how those numbers shook out. more democrats than republicans voted for this bill, despite the fact that this is a republican majority that is in control of

the legislation that passes through the house of representatives. furthermore, more republicans voted against the legislation than republicans voted for it. even though it passed, even though this will likely avert a partial government shutdown and we can get into the dynamics in the senate in a second, this does show how difficult the balance of power is for the house republican caucus. you rightly point out that immediately after this bill passed, marjorie taylor greene of georgia went to the house clerk and filed what's called a motion to vacate, which gives any member the ability to call for a vote that would remove the speaker of the house. she didn't make this a privileged resolution. that means it doesn't have to necessarily move any time in the near future. it won't move until marjorie taylor greene herself specifically asks for a vote to occur. nonetheless, it serves as a warning shot to the house speaker mike johnson. there were conservative republicans that were angry with the way this budget process worked itself out. they held a press conference

earlier today saying that this is exactly what they campaigned against, these big, massive appropriations bills all tucked into one bill and passing through basically with a small number of negotiators putting the final touches on it all. what it means in the long-term is an open question here. even though they do have this ability to bring this motion to vacate up -- that's what marjorie taylor greene has done today -- it doesn't necessarily mean that there's the votes there to actually make it happen. there are a lot of battle scars that republicans are still dealing with in the wake of the situation that occurred with the former house speaker kevin mccarthy, the lengthy attempt it took, the numerous speaker candidates to replace him. there isn't a strong appetite to go through that whole process again. conservative republicans, they are unhappy. they don't like the way this process played itself out. but there's also just a simple math game here. even though they have the

majority, it's only a two-seat majority. it's very difficult for them to exact their will without a certain degree of pain. that would mean being willing to swallow a government shutdown. there's eight or ten republicans that are wim ingwilling to do t. there aren't 200 that are willing to do that. that's the situation we find ourselves in. we are able to take a deep bridge because there won't be a partial government shutdown. the chaos, uncertainty and un-governance in the house of representatives will continue. if i can anticipate your next question, that probably will play a major impact in what happens with the future of funding to ukraine and israel, which is, of course, something that still remains on the table. >> you anticipated correctly. thank you so much, ryan nobles, for a great setup there for senator chris coons, a democrat from delaware who serves on the appropriations and foreign

relations committees, among others. senator, there's a lot to unpack. first of all, bottom line, do you think the senate is going to go along with this? the house is leaving for two weeks. the senate is as well. are you all willing -- do you think the republicans even, some who have stood up against unanimous consent, which is what it required to rush through this, are they willing to do that. >> i'm confident we will take up and pass this bill. whether we can avoid a government shutdown depends on a small number of senate republicans and whether they will drag this out through the weekend. some of them have been making demands that they get amendment votes on issues that are not directly relevant to this appropriations bill. it would get some attention for them. it would fail to ultimately stop us from passing this critical

appropriations bill. let me remind our viewers what's at stake here. $1.2 trillion in spending, our entire department of defense, nearly three-quarters of the entire federal government, this second group of six appropriations bill is larger and more strategic than the first group of six that we passed. this includes homeland security, department of defense and my subcommittee that funds the state department and a.i.d. i think we have the votes. it's a question how long it will take and how cruel this process will be. as you just referenced, susan collins of maine has never missed a vote. her mother's funeral is tomorrow morning in maine. there's plenty of good reason for republicans to give up with some of the theatrics and move quickly to vote this afternoon and evening. there are many senators with travel plans either to their home states or around the world.

there's a lot of important provisions in this bill. i would be happy to talk through some of them with you. >> i wanted to talk about a couple of things. first of all, all the criticism -- i know 12 people were cited and charged with con sorting with hamas in the most egregious ways, but that's not the 1,300 people part of delivering aid into gaza where it can't get into the interior of gaza because of the war zones. they are the only agency that knows how to do this. secretary blinken said that. for all the criticism, to take it out, that's one thing. the other is that -- they saved 25 million lives in africa, not only did the congress not give -- the administration did not put as much money into it as

was originally sought by you and others. even that is just renewed for one year. how can they plan anything for one year? >> andrea, we were trying to get a five-year clean reauthorization, as you referenced. it was a key global health legacy for president george w. bush. it saved more than 25 million lives, mostly in africa. it prevented the hiv/aids pandemic from killing an entire generation on a continent that before it was facing catastrophe. if we get this bill passed, i will travel to zambia with senior members of the senate, where 10% of the population is living with hiv/aids. the united states is funding the delivery of life-saving medications and building up the

health care system in zambia so the government can ultimately take it over and take over responsibility for the health care of its people. you referenced a u.n. organization that provides support to palestinians, not just in gaza. i recently traveled to jordan and to lebanon. in jordan alone, there are 2.5 million palestinians in refugee camps. they provide health care and education and sanitation and food. this bill does zero out, does pause funding for them until march of next year. it is not a permanent pause. i worked hard to make sure that there was still the possibility of our returning to funding in some countries, depending on the outcome of the u.n. investigation into the shocking participation of allegedly now 14 staff in the hamas attack of october 7th.

i did secure a group of us along with the leadership of patty murray, the chair of the appropriations committee. we secured an additional $335 million for humanitarian assistance that i expect will to organizations like the world food program, unicef and other well-known u.s. non-profits like save the children and catholic relief services, to try and provide humanitarian aid regionally and into gaza. without them, it will be difficult to distribute. one last, if i might, 12,000 siv see have as for afghans who served alongside american forces, who are eagerly waiting the life-saving grant of a visa to come into the united states under a special immigrant visa staff us, senator shaheen has been a tireless advocate for this, senator klobuchar and i have been working on this. this doesn't solve the whole

problem, but allows for 12,000 more to get a permanent visa. >> you have touched on all the bases near to my heart and others. saving lives in africa and elsewhere. thank you very much. we will have more coming up on that with cindy mccain from the world food program.

a u.s. -- excuse me. a u.s. resolution calling for a cease-fire leading to a hostage release in gaza failed to pass in the u.n. security council today. it was the strongest language yet from the u.s. which had stood largely alone vetoing three previous resolutions calling for an immediate cease-fire. this white house attempt to put more pressure on israel and respond to criticism of the u.s. stance was blocked by russia and china. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n.

reacted after the vote. >> russia and china will give you all sorts of explanations for the obstruction. they didn't want to vote for a resolution penned by the united states because it would rather see us fail than to see this council succeed. >> in tel aviv, secretary blinken met today with prime minister netanyahu and later with the war cabinet. what a senior official told me it was a frank and direct meeting. that's diplomatic words for very tough. netanyahu reiterating there's no way to defeat hamas without going into rafah. he said that publically afterwards, something the u.s. is urging israel not to do. he met with hostage families as talks ramp up today in doha. as the secretary left his hotel, he signalled support to those protesting in favor of hostage release who were chanting, thank you, blinken.

he said he told netanyahu that it's critical to get more aid to starving palestinians in gaza while stressing u.s. opposition to israel's plan to invade rafah. >> we share israel's goal of defeating hamas, which is responsible for the worst massacre of the jewish people since the holocaust. we share securing israel's long-term security. a major military ground operation in rafah is not the way to do it. it risks killing more civilians. it risks wreaking greater havoc with the humanitarian assistance. it risks further isolating israel around the world and jeopardizing its security and standing. we are looking forward to having israeli officials in washington next week to talk about a different way of achieving these objectives, objectives we share of defeating hamas and ensuring israel's long-term security.

>> bottom line is, no give at all from netanyahu today. the secretary also calling today's veto at the u.n. by china and russia cynical. this week a new dire warning from secretary blinken and from ambassador mccain, the head of the world food program, warning people are starving in gaza. responding to that crisis is made more difficult by the limited number of land crossings available to groups trying to get the aid in. just two entry points regularly operating in the south where an estimated 1.4 million palestinians have fed. joining me now is cindy mccain. ambassador, thank you so much. i know you have been all over the world. you have been trying so hard to help the gaza relief, to work in chad, where sdan refugees are flooding across the border. i have been there and have seen

how dire it is. the work you do is extraordinary. getting aid in by land in gaza is lengthy, complicated. what are the obstacles? >> gosh, our obstacles are many. we have to be cleared at every level. the israelis block whether we are cleared, whether our drivers are cleared. we don't have access on roads. we near clear, unfettered access to get in at scale so we can feed the millions of people who are on the verge of famine. we need food and we need it now. we need to get in in a manner that is not only continuous but also something that can be at scale so we can feed north and south gaza. >> ambassador mccain, talk to me about the israeli security. we have seen the parachute drops, the very, very slow process by ship. it's just really a drop in the

bucket of what is needed. is there any way that israel could open another crossing in the north, for instance? >> we asked for further opening further north into gaza. we need access. we are in favor of getting food in any way we can. to get it in at scale is has to be done by land. so that's why we keep this message up and keep it alive about making sure we can get in and get access. we have 20 trucks on sunday. we waited around and waited around. then we were only able to get seven in yesterday. these kinds of unsustained quantities won't work. people are starving to death. that's the bottom line here. we need to get in. >> 27 trucks, 20 trucks, at the peak there were maybe 200, compared to 7, 800 going in

before the war. once they get in, as i understand it, the food is warehoused because it's very difficult for ngos to get it into the interior where it's needed. the roads are gone. they have been bombed out. it's a war zone. >> you have to remember, too -- this is -- these people are desperate. all too often, when we go in, even though we have the best intentions to get it up north and deliver it in an organized fashion, it just doesn't work that way. people are starving to death. they do tend to get on the trucks and take food. i don't blame them. i would do the same thing if it were my family i was trying to help. the truth of it is, this can be alleviated if we can just gain access and get food in in a sustained manner. in an unfettered manner. we need to operate the way we do. we're good at this. we need to be able to operate in

a much more robust manner inside gaza. >> the appropriations bill that moved through the house today, it's headed to the senate now, includes a ban on any direct funding -- u.s. funding. i know the criticism. senator coons told me it's 14 members of the force that are very clearly charged with cooperating with hamas, which is outrageous. however, tell me about whether there's any other agency -- i know you are trying -- that can replace them in operating inside gaza. >> there's been a lot other options talked about. the truth is, they are the only one that can do it. we do food. that's all we do. they do many, many other things with regard to water, sanitation, education, et cetera. we are a part of what they do. it would be much easier if we

would be able to work with them on the ground there. not only deliver, but make sure we get it where it needs to go. >> if they do invade on the ground in rafah -- they may not be ready to do it, but netanyahu said today they will do that despite the pleas from secretary blinken in person -- what will it mean to the people there? >> well, these people are already suffering. again, we would love to be able to see a cease-fire and be able to operate it within the country and feed people. people are starving to death. i think we are already seeing a huge humanitarian crisis. it will only get worse. >> you were in south sudan. your organization is working in haiti, two other horrific places in terms of the effect on people. is south sudan a genocide as it

was in 2004 and 2005? >> what we are seeing now is what could become the world's largest humanitarian food crisis on the planet ever. as you have seen today, there's now disease that's taking over parts of sudan and south sudan. again, we need access there. we would like to be able to get in from the west. we would like to move about sudan in a timely manner and a safe manner so our people that are delivering are not injured or hurt in any way. we need to get in at scale to be able to feed. >> can you get into haiti? is that too challenging? >> we are in haiti. we never left. we are delivering in haiti. we are making sure we -- we are primarily feeding schoolchildren and some other places as well. we are in there.

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in a string of social media posts today starting at 2:00 a.m., donald trump was lashing out at having to pay almost half a billion dollars by monday. despite failing to secure the bond, the former president claims he has half a billion dollars in cash on hand, undercutting what his lawyers are telling the judge, that he is struggling to meet the

deadline by monday and he won't get any help from this morning's announce ment that truth social is expected to go public. the payday won't come soon enough to bail him out for monday. all this as the trump campaign and the republican national committee set up a joint fund-raising committee funneling donations to his save america pac. that's the pac that's been paying his legal bills. so much for not having the rnc pay -- get behind the superpac. joining us now is ashley parker, former mueller team senior prosecutor and fbi general counsel andrew weissmann, the co-host of a podcast, prosecuting donald trump and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. ashley, what do you see happening here? is he going to somehow get the bond reduced?

do you think that's possible? could he file for bankruptcy? i can't see him wanting to do that. that's not his political persona. >> right. the indications have been that he does not want to file for bankruptcy. he does not want to try to sell off any of his properties, including those ones in manhattan that are sort of physical totems to a lifetime of striving to be accepted by the manhattan elites. it's interesting because the truth social statement you put up there contradicts everything his lawyers have been saying, which is they have been negotiating with the major insurance companies, they have reached out to 30 companies, organizations that could help with bond, and none of them will. at least publically, there's confusion over trump saying he has the money and his lawyers saying he absolutely does not have the money. >> andrew, "the washington post"

is reporting that in the federal election interference case, it took the doj a year to see a receipt from donald trump. prosecutors and the fbi spent months sticking to the traditional playbook. they started with smaller players, worked upward. despite the transparent steps taken by mr. trump himself. is that fair criticism? >> yes, it is. it is a nuanced story though. i don't think it's completely black and white. there's no question that the department of justice did take steps before the january 6 committee. obviously, lower level people, including righteous prosecutions of the proud boys and oath keepers. there was not a full-on investigation of the senior people involved in the scheme that was ultimately charged. they were saying prior to the january 6 committee hearings that they were doing a

traditional bottom-up approach. the indictment that was brought by jack smith proves that that bottom-up approach was wrong. there's nothing about the indictment that indicates it's bottom up. it's not like this is a normal mob investigation or like the enron investigation where you keep flipping people and they all know the next level up. this was one where they really had to go directly into the white house to look at people like cassidy hutchinson. if you recall, when she testified, there were articles, including from "the washington post," saying that the people at the justice department were surprised by her testimony. i think that was sort of a catalyst for the doj changing its views. we are where we are. i think when we look back and assess why there's a time crunch, i think there's some blame to the department being slow on the uptake. >> joyce, let's talk about the

other trials. it looks like the bragg trial in new york is going to go forward. the judge there seems to be pushing forward in terms of his pretrial rulings for an april 25th start time. judge cannon in florida is now taking a lot of scrutiny for all of those pretrial motions and the hearing she held and the decisions she's made and that she's just not only delaying but she really doesn't know the law. >> so the calendar is far from certain, as i think is the quality of some of the judging we are seeing in south florida. i think you are correct when you say that the case in manhattan will go ahead, perhaps on the mid april time line that the judge had previously suggested would replace the initial march 25 trial date. trump has made a lot of noise about discovery violations by the manhattan d.a.'s office.

as the evidence unfolds in the course of briefing, it seems very clear that it's just a lot of shouting, not very much fire. we will see that resolve in the hearing that will take place on monday. i expect that this case will be back on track for trial. what's going on in florida say little bit more mysterious. judge cannon is sending two different sets of signals. on the one hand, she seemed inclined to prevent any resolution in this case. some folks have suggested that her ideal trial date is never. on the other hand though, this case is still on the books for trial in may. the judge took this very unusual step last week of asking the lawyers to submit jury instructions on a very specific point. here is the oddity. trump has this pending motion saying that under the presidential records act, he can't be prosecuted. it has no merit.

he has this idea that the presidential records act trumps a criminal statute about the handling of classified documents. that's not correct. the judge takes that at face value. she's asked the lawyers to submit jury instructions that would essentially permit her to kill the case during trial in a posture where the government can't appeal. i think we have to engage in consideration of whether her intention is now to let this case go to trial to dismiss it in trump's favor and end the prosecution that way. >> joyce vance, ashley parker, andrew weissmann, great to end the week with you. kristin welker joins us with a look at her exclusive interview with stephen breyer who is retired and what he thinks about the dobbs decision. that's coming up next. the dobb. that's coming up next. ♪♪ (laughing) nice smile, brad. nice!

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in a new book out next week, former supreme court justice stephen breyer is sounding the alarm on the direction he sees the court going, and reflecting extensively on one of the court's most controversial ruling yet, the overturning of the protected right to abortion. kristin welker sat down with the retired supreme court justice exclusively for his wide ranging first interview. now she joins us. tell us about it. >> this was an extraordinary conversation. he is obviously retired now. he chooses his words very carefully. he did not want to weigh in on the current cases before the high court. i did ask him about the decision to overturn roe v. wade. i asked him about the reporting that there were some discussions coming together, coalescing around a compromise that would have banned abortions after 15

weeks. here is what he had to say about that reporting. did you think that a compromise was possible before the leak? around 15 weeks? >> i usually hope for compromise. >> you were hopeful there could be a compromise? >> you want to put words in my mouth. i'm careful what i say on this. because i say our interests are different. i don't want -- i have written what i felt. if you think there's anything here or in the dissent, go right ahead. i don't want to say something in addition. >> just to be clear though, did you think a compromise was possible? >> i always think it's possible. i always think it's possible. usually up until the last minute. >> in the book he acknowledges they did consider a compromise. why was it taking so long for the decision? >> exactly.

his book is called "reading the constitution." it's notable to hear him talk about the moment when the draft copy of the decision was leaked out. i tried to press him on what the impact of that leak was. he chose his words very carefully. the book is "reading the constitution." we talked about a number of topics, including his decision to retire and how he sees the democracy now. he has some real concerns. >> kristin welker, i bet you have more on "meet the press" on whether he acknowledged who the leaker might be. >> i asked him. tune in sunday to see what he has to say. >> we wouldn't miss it. thank you. >> watch "meet the press" this sunday. after the vote, u.n. ambassador linda thomas-green field. you are watching "andrea

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earlier today, the u.n. security council failed to pass a u.s. resolution calling for a cease-fire in gaza with russia and china voting against the russia. after previously vetoing three attempts to pass a cease-fire resolution, this was a strong shift in posture by the united states. joining us now, the u.s. am ambassador to the u.n. it's great to see you. there was a shift in the american position. russia and china blocked it. there were 11 votes in favor of it. of course, they have the vetoes. tell us your reaction to this. >> we were disadisappointed.

we felt we put a strong resolution on the table. it was a resolution that really stretched beyond what we have done previously. we had 11 countries support that resolution. that resolution called for an immediate cease-fire with the release of hostages and the provision of additional humanitarian assistance to address the needs -- the dire needs of the palestinian people. there was no reason for russia or china to veto that resolution. again, i'm feeling extraordinarily disappointed that once again the council failed to act. >> what do you think their motivation was? was it an attempt to embarrass the u.s. action you were frankly trying to -- your situation was changing. obviously, there's a lot at

stake with prime minister netanyahu, with rafah, with the aid not getting in. was this an attempt to put more pressure on israel after taking some risks and a lot of political criticism for standing with israel in three previous resolutions? >> the president has been very clear in our support for israel's right to self-defense. but also, very clear in his message to president netanyahu that he has to take into account how his actions will impact civilians on the ground in rafah. we saw this resolution as providing an opening for a cease-fire that supports the current negotiations that are taking place on the ground, provides a path to get additional humanitarian assistance in, and certainly supports the immediate release

of hostages who are also living under extraordinarily difficult circumstances in the hands of hamas. there was no reason to veto this resolution. the russians and chinese knew there was no reason to veto the resolution. it was political, from my perspective, not to allow a resolution that was penned by the u.s. to get through the security council. >> in your reading of the resolution -- because i found it a little bit ambiguous -- would the cease-fire, under this resolution, go -- be called for whether or not the hostages were at the same time released? >> look, andrea, what i have said to my colleagues here in the security council, no cease-fire ever comes about because we call for a cease-fire. cease-fires happen at the negotiating table.

any time, anywhere in the world, cease-fires take place based on negotiations. those negotiations are happening right now in doha. they are still at the table. they are still working hard. we are the ones that are there on the ground really doing the hard work. russia is not there. china is not there. they are not providing any options for finding a solution to get us there. they are not providing humanitarian assistance. we are still the largest contributor of humanitarian assistance. we have people on the ground working to ensure that assistance gets in. it was not ambiguous. it was clear. it called for a cease-fire. we want to see as part of that all hostages released. we want to see humanitarian assistance be provided to the suffering palestinian people. it was that simple. they could have supported this

resolution, and we would not be where we are today again with the security council failing to speak in one voice. >> secretary blinken had what was described to me by a senior official as a frank and direct meeting. a typical meeting lately with netanyahu. netanyahu came out immediately afterward and flatly rejected the secretary's appeals to not go into rafah and to do more to get aid in and to support a cease-fire, a pause to get more aid in. where does this go for now? what if he persists, despite sending his military here, so it won't happen next week, persists in going in on the ground in rafah when there's little aid and you have up to 1.4 million people there? >> for the most, he has not gone into rafah. we will continue to press the

israelis not to make that decision, because we know that that decision will be an extraordinarily difficult one for any of us to accept. that's the message that we continue to give to the israelis. the president gave that message to president netanyahu. he is speaking to his public, but we have to continue to press him not to take an action that we think would not be in the interests of israel. not in the interests of the people 1.5 million people are sitting in that small location. it would be impossible to move those people. so we have to work to continue to help the israelis. we want to help them defeat hamas. it is important that hamas, a terrorist organization, be defeated. but we also have to insure that innocent palestinians that are

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there is bipartisan concern over tiktok after the house passed the bill is that the senate has yet to take up that could lead to a ban unless

bytedance digesting its ownership. joining us now is mark warner. other senators said that they were alarmed the impact china has because of its ownership of tiktok. you can share with us your feelings about it. good i've been on this show before. this is a battle i've been fighting for over a year. we thought we had broad bipartisan agreement. there was $100 million of advertising. and so i don't underestimate the power they bring to the table. but if you think to the moment, imagine there wasn't a tiktok and there was a proposition to the american people and said

should we allow china to come in and get access to 170 million americans personal data and at the same time have 170 million americans spend 90 minutes a day on a platform that where if they twist the algorithm a bit, the news you receive could be driven by chinese propaganda. and so this version got an overwhelming majority. and let me give you a sense of what is going on. i think pro palestinian versus proel israeli, from an academic study, are 54:1 in terms of a ratio. i'll be the first to acknowledge tiktok, a lot of young people,

i'm sure the vast majority may be pre-palestinian, but i do believe that in terms of the 170 million americans or others around the world it is 54:1, that kind of ratio. and that is from an academic study. >> and marco rubio is joining us in this. but i don't think that the senator from washington will put it on the floor. >> i've had the lot of good productive conversations with senator cantwell. she took the version of my bill and is working it. house bill i would have taken a slightly different approach, but i don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

chinese law is clear. why would we allow that misinformation, disinformation. there is enough difference between americans that we should fight among ourselves without the undue influence. so that is why the propose is not to get rid of the tiktok, and you don't have to force 100% of the sale. about 35% to 40% of the current ownership of bite dance is controlled by americans and that could be controlled into other entities. and it could be british, french, brazilian, but not a nation state like china that we have legally defined as authoritarian. >> and paul manafort who was

convicted with working with russian intelligence, how do you feel about him being part of the trump campaign? >> one of the things i'm proudest of is the investigation into russian meddling in 2016. and our report called out mr. man for the for working with intelligence, sharing classified information. the idea that trump would pull back on his campaign payroll, i didn't think that donald trump could still surprise me, but this surprises me that this is being seriously considered. it gives one more item again as we've talked about many times, donald trump is willing to call out virtually every other political leader, democrat or republican, world leader, an complain about him with the

complete exception is of putin. and would still be in prison but for a pardon from donald trump, mr. manafort, because of his activities involved with russia, putting him back in doesn't make any sense to me. >> senator mark warner, thank you. and that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. follow the show on social media. and you can also rewatch highlights from the show anytime on youtube. go to msnbc.com/andrea. chris jansing reports starts right now. and i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing. could we be on the verge of a second speaker showdown in less than a year? marjorie taylor greene issuing what she calls a, quote, warning to mike johnson indicating his days could be numbered.