than assume that i can drink a margarita. you serve me a margarita so i drink a margarita, i can live on my own. so i live on my own. assume that i can hit harder, so i hit harder. assume that i can learn shakespeare so i learn shakespeare. you assume i can't swear, right? that i can't do that job, that i can go to parties, that i can have , that i can be on the stage. assume that i can so maybe i will. >> we know you will, medicine. i would certainly have a margarita with you any day of the week. a fantastic reminder not to underestimate those who are different from ourselves. that message takes us off the air tonight. and on that really beautiful

and important note, i wish you a very, very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. what could you by with $230 -- $230,000? think about that for a second. a house, a brand-new ferrari, a championship race horse? $230,000 is a huge amount of money. that is how much donald trump's save america pac has spent per day on the former president's legal bills in february. $5.6 million in one month which i should note is more than the pac was able to raise over the same period. everybody knows that the one thing donald trump needs right now is money.

when trump engineered his takeover of the rnc earlier this month his top advisor promised that not a penny cup, quote, would go to pray the president's legal fees. use of the rnc is as much as part of the trump campaign as the trump campaign is part of the rnc, his words. up art edwards because tonight we are learning new details about the trump campaign's new deal with the rnc. the unusual arrangement prioritizes trump's save america pac over the rnc. so while the rnc funds that do not go directly to pay trump's layers, any donation to the combined entity go to trump's campaign and his save america pac first . then, the remainder goes to the rnc. he is going to need it. because trump's legal woes are far from over, there's no

telling what amount of legal fees he will continue to accrue over the next year with four criminal trial still living. then there is the money he owes for trials that are already over. the $464 million bond from trump's civil fraud trial in new york is due on monday, four days from now. not to mention the fact that half $1 billion is occurring be -- trump's attorneys have said that securing the bond -- [ inaudible ] means the new york attorney general letitia james can start the process of seizing the former president's assets as early as next week. there is another option for trump which could delay having to pay by months or even years, declare bankruptcy. trump is reportedly not even considering bankruptcy as an option. why would he be? he has already done it six times before, what is one more bankruptcy on the file especially from the president is strapped for cash?

it seems his money was may have finally become a political liability. according to the washington post, trump does not want to declare bankruptcy partially out of concern that it could damage his campaign to recapture the white house from president biden in november. trump is worried about the optics of bankruptcy. because it cuts to the heart of his identity. the donald built his brand on being wish, on living a lavish lifestyle the rest of us wish we could live. he started a tv show where his theme song was money. he surrounded himself with products that signify extravagant luxury, casinos, stakes, high rise apartment buildings. he built his 2016 campaign on the idea that he was so rich he could not be bought. symbolically, writing into the 2000 race on a golden elevator. >> our country needs a truly great leader and we need a truly great leader now.

we need a leader that wrote the art of the deal. >> i don't need anybody's money, it is nice. i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money, i'm not using the lobbyists, i am not using donors, i don't care. i am really which, i will show you that in a second. >> really rich. that was in, this is now. trump not only finds himself in panic mode as he tries to secure a nearly half $1 billion bond with the general election starting, he also has to worry about what voters will think about his very real money problems and his opponent is not helping. when it comes to fundraising, president biden has been consistently outpacing trump, widening the gap between them last month. in february, biden raised over $20 million, all told, the combined cash on hand for the biden campaign and the dnc totaled over $97 million which is more than double the

combined cash held by the trump campaign and the rnc. this certainly looks like a vulnerable moment for donald trump and it appears that team biden is prepared to take advantage of it. not only are they planning a major ad blitz with their fundraising cash but perhaps more portly, president biden has started to take some direct shots at trump's money troubles. when she comes to trump's legal woes, joe biden has refused to comment. trumps financial issues, apparently those are fair game. at a closed-door fundraiser with democratic donors in dallas last night, biden joked, quote, i know not everyone is feeling the enthusiasm. just the other day a defeated looking man came up to me and said mr. president, i have crushing debt and i am completely wiped out. and i had to look at him and say, donald, i am sorry. i can't help you.

biden has now trotted out this joke three times in the past 24 hours signaling that it might be the start of a new, more aggressive strategy for the white house for decades. donald trump overinflated his wealth and he got away with it. now, he is starting to pay for it. suddenly went trump has always touted as his greatest strength now seems like a glaring weakness and democrats seem ready to pounce. joining us now, tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion, author of trump nation, the art of being the donald, for that he was hit by donald trump, by the way, and he won. also with me, robert gibbs, former white house secretary -- press secretary for president obama and now an msnbc political analyst. thank you for being with us, tim o'brien , let's talk about the part of this it is interesting. you have spent a lot of time figuring out donald trump, but

the attorney general of new york and this court case have done that, they have remapped it, they know what he is worth and this is a real problem. the truth about the donald trump miss came out in this trial and is now being solidified by the fact that he can't raise his -- >> some of those myths are being burst in useful ways. i think one of the things that confounded people during trump's first term, there is this idea he has always existed beyond the reach of the law. he had nine legalized and had only gone through one of them but i think you're now seeing at least on a financial basis, he is getting exposed for decades of what he has been doing which is inflating, lying, exaggerating, however you want to describe it. how much money he has and what he does with his money. i think that is one of the things gnawing at them more than anything else in this current round is that the emperor has no financial clothing. he said in a deposition a year ago that he had $409 in cash on

hand and he was adding to that amount on a monthly basis in significant ways. he either lied under oath, either perjured himself in that deposition -- >> or he is a really bad businessman. >> or he blew through that money magically over the past year or he does not want to touch it because he wants to lay these debts off on perhaps people donating to his campaign. for whatever reason that money, he says, isn't there now. and so he is going to have to rely on the good graces of other people and he does not have a lot of options. there is talk that he is going to seek bankruptcy protection. i think we would have already gotten some indications of that, it would have to be a very complex filing. i think letitia james is waiting to attaches assets on monday. she has been very sharp i think about specifically naming some of the properties she would want to attach. the reality is, there are

certain properties that he deeply prizes. in the early 90s, when he went through those six corporate bankruptcies, he came within an inch of personal bankruptcy, but for a piece of his father's a state that his siblings gave him so he could stay solving, otherwise he would have done under personally too. at that time he basically got on his knees to his fingers and said take whatever you want but do not take my condo and do not take mar-a-lago. i think the attorney general's office is very hip to the idea that there are certain toys that are more valuable to trump than others and i think that has got to be gnawing at him as well but there is going to be a resolution on some sort around this on monday. either the appellate court is going to step in and say he gets extra time or that maybe he gets to play some shenanigans around what he posts though i would be surprised by that. i do not see a bankruptcy filing coming but maybe it will. even if he does a bankruptcy filing he's going to have to have very detailed proclamations within the filing about his assets, the debts

held against those assets, a kind of public revelation of what he has that he has never wanted to do because of course what it will show in the end is a guy who said when he launched his campaign in 2015, i am really rich, i am worth $10 billion, $8 billion, six, these are all the numbers. is nowhere close to those numbers and he does not want to pop his own balloon in that regard but he's probably going to be forced to. >> robert gibbs, donald trump has said so many things about democracy and what he would do about it if he were elected. you would think that would be enough and joe biden has really leaned into the idea that this is a choice between a presidency that continues democracy and a president that perhaps undermines that both in the united states and abroad. you would think that would be enough but apparently it is not. and so joe biden has decided that this is the soft underbelly that he can go after. tell me what your thoughts are about that. >> the whole notion of donald

trump's wealth and this method of job creation and all of the things that have gone what sort of who donald trump is for a long time is on the verge of being pierced. it is central to the narrative, it is central to the way voters began to see him as somebody who is a nifty negotiator, so monday who understood business and quite frankly he was wealthy because of all his business acumen and that would be something that would be a bonus to have somebody in the white house that could do all that. obviously a lot of that was built on meth to begin with. this is beginning to crumble in front of donald trump's eyes through the courts, through campaign fundraising, and, look, the biden campaign senses it is an interesting moment to go after not just who voters think donald trump is but really to press the advantage with campaign-finance amounts. it is really stunning to watch the presumptive nominee be

outraised by the democratic nominee in this case 2-1, to have that money gaps become wider month after month after month. it has been a long time since we have been through certainly a presidential campaign where there is a distinct disadvantage on one side, with money. right now donald trump is very much approaching this campaign as if he is going to have that distinct disadvantage. low dollar donors are weary, they are tired of being asked, and this high dollar donors are worried more and more quite frankly that the money they give is going to be part of the $80 million that has already gone to pay his lawyers. >> let me ask you this, robert. joe biden has been fairly judicious about not waiting into trump's other legal problems. donald trump tells every court who will listen, that his prosecution is at the hands of his political opponent, joe biden. joe biden never comments on it.

but he does comment on this. obviously it is fair game because it is adjudicated. >> yeah, and i think it is part. joe biden, his administration obviously runs the department of justice. i think staying out of those legal comments is smart. i think, you know, who he is and who his business is and his money in this case is different and it is much more fair game. >> is anything here surprising to you? the city had 400 million on hand or at least that is what he testified, and maybe he was lying or has lost the money. does is fundamentally surprising or is this where you thought donald trump was in the world? >> i am only surprised at how he is willing to take this particular judgment to the cliff. you would have thought, given the financial stakes that are involved, the possible revelations that are involved,

how central his, both his insecurities and his myths are to saying i am a billionaire, that it would let it get to a place where he would be exposed like this. >> doesn't that suggest to you that he really can't or is that bond? >> it absolutely does, and i think, that is why i also think he would have gotten a bankruptcy proceeding going sooner if he was trying to forestall this. i think what is now emerging, on monday it could be something of a car crash and he had to have lawyers telling him weeks ago that you should prep for something like this and he ignored them as he always does. again, it is that he is allowing these existential cataclysms to be visited upon him because he is an undisciplined 7-year-old. he is not an adult, he is not a rational adult, he is a dangerous politician and he is willing to play with fire around his own finances in order to score, sort of, performance acting and performance art results in the courts and in the media, but it

is not good for his business and is becoming increasingly bad for his political life. >> monday is going to be a day not to be out of the news. it will be a reckoning. thank you very much, tim o'brien is a senior executive editor. robert gibbs is a former white house press secretary, thank you for your time tonight. we have more ahead this evening including what is going on with the judge presiding over trump's classified case. why her latest moves have legal experts questioning her motives yet again. after blocking three u.n. resolutions calling for a cease- fire in gaza, the u.s. is putting its own cease-fire resolution up for a vote before the united -- un security council tomorrow morning. what is behind the shift? that is next. to brighten your home. save on lighting, furniture, gifts and more. when you need 'just the thing' to make your space feel like new... etsy has it. ♪ upbeat music ♪

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against, one extension. the draft resolution has not been adopted, going to the negative vote of april and a member of the council. >> the draft resolution has not been approved due to the veto of a eminent member of the security council. >> the draft resolution has not been adopted, owing to the negative vote of a permanent member of the council. >> since the war in gaza began, there have been three attempts by the united nations security council to call for a cease- fire or to condemn civilian casualties in gaza. each time, the united states has used its veto power to block those resolutions. but now, that is changing. tomorrow morning, for the first time, united states will introduce its own resolution, calling for an immediate cease- fire in gaza.

unlike previous resolutions, the u.s. has conditions its call for a cease-fire on the immediate release of all of the hostages being held by hamas in gaza but it is still a remarkable change in the u.s. position. it comes as we are learning the republican speaker of the house, mike johnson, plans to make an end run around the biden administration and invite the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, to address congress about the war. the biden administration is increasing its pressure on the benjamin netanyahu government, at the same time that that government is aligning itself much more closely with biden's political opponents. joining us now is the senator, member of the senate foreign relations committee, thank you so much. 2015 was the last time this happened and i have been very similarly. benjamin netanyahu cut a deal with republicans to address congress in what was largely seen as an affront to barack obama, executive same thing is

happening right now. benjamin netanyahu is going to congress at the behest of republicans, possibly, in an end run against his deteriorating relationship with joe biden. your thoughts. >> well, i am not sure that i see it as an apples to apples comparison. he was coming at that moment to object to a very specific and top priority policy for the obama administration. this is a different moment where the eyes of the world are on israel. i think it is important for the israeli leader to come to the united states and explain to congress what the israeli policy is and why this campaign in gaza, which is now killed tens of thousands of civilians, is actually going to eradicate a terrorist threat to israel and to the united states. so i do not like when benjamin

netanyahu talks only to republicans, i think that is really bad for the u.s./israeli relationship that given that the eyes of the world are on israel today, i actually think it may benefit all of us to have him come and make the case to both democrats and republicans. there will be many that will object to the case he makes but it is probably best to hear that out in the open. >> what happened? play that out for me. as you said, there is a reasonable expectation that many will object to it. nobody is going to have their minds changed, probably. so what happens then? he comes, people air their grievances, there is still a pending attack, the death of 30,000 palestinians, still a biden administration that is in disagreement with the benjamin netanyahu administration so what do you think happens next? >> i am not sure that his speech before congress will have a material effect on people's views but i do not know that we should be afraid of listening to the israeli leader even if we disagree with him. i have come to the conclusion that there needs to be an

immediate pause to hostilities. i would not conditioned upon the release of the hostages, i hope there is an agreement between hamas and israel with intermediaries that allows for the release of the hostages but i think those humanitarian situations on the ground is so dire today with salmon lurking that israel needs to stop military operations right now and focus on restoring order and combating seven. a different position they will articulate tomorrow, i don't think my position will be changed by benjamin netanyahu's appearance but i don't think we should stop them from coming and explaining his position. we are a body that welcomes open dialogue and should have a dialogue even with leaders that we don't have full agreement with. >> that is a good point, secretary blinken in the middle east, he is hopeful for the concept of a cease-fire that you talk about increasingly, the calls for that are growing.

is a remarkable moment that in the morning the united states will call for that, conditioned or not, it is a major move for the united states in the history of the u.s./israeli relations. are you hopeful that we are getting closer? i fully understand that pressure is growing on israel to do it but are you hopeful that pressure gets us anywhere? because benjamin netanyahu is basically campaigning in an election he is not running in about the fact he is the only one who can stand up to america as if america is the problem for israel. >> listen, of course i am hopeful, but every day that goes by without an agreement i think should make us all more worried. both sides are going to have to not allow the perfect enemy of the good and i think many of us worry and you heard senator schumer articulate this a few days ago, that benjamin netanyahu is making decisions not necessarily in accordance with what is best for israeli

security or american security but what is best for his political future. the longer the war goes on, the more likely it is that the war cabinet holds and he stays in power, when the war ends or when there is a long-term pause, there certainly will be a discussion inside israel as to whether to move forward with elections. i think that is a very real worry at this moment, thinking about the motivations that the benjamin netanyahu government has when it is making decisions on the ground in gaza. >> i want to ask about a completely unrelated topic, this is what we call a hard turn, but it is actually kind of interesting. is about our phones. the justice department is suing apple for allegedly abusing monopoly power in the phone- based apps market. you treated today, people feel powerless and alone when companies this big have so much power over their lives. for a lot of people they are not sure how to think about this because we all live in this

apple walled garden so you're not sure. is kind of our lives. are we mad at them, what should they be doing differently? what is your take on this? >> we have a relationship with apple, with google, with amazon. we get tremendous benefit from these services. the problem is, their noncompetitive monopolistic practices happen behind a wall that we do not see and so we end up paying far more for these services, for instance, the apps on our iphone. and we get a much lower quality experience, for instance, on the iphone, the inability to play cloud-based games, because that would actually harm apple's market which forces you to buy more computing power on your phone because he can't get access to the cloud. and so it is very right for the government to be stepping up and saying whether or not we see these monopolistic practices, they are illegal. and i do think that americans feel that they have lost an amount of power because apple

and amazon and google have so much market share that we have no ability to really compete their services against anyone else and we would all be paying a lot less for the services that they provide if we force them into a competitive market. so this is a really important action that the department of justice is taking against apple, it stands next to actions that have been taken against google and amazon and i am so glad the biden administration is making it a priority to break up these big monopoly powers, especially in big tax. many republicans talk a big game about going up against big tip that they do not do it. joe biden is actually coming after these big companies to break up their power. >> it is a big signal and the government will say to people, you have too much power. you may be a good company, you may be bringing value to the consumer, these things definitely bring value to our

lives to have access to them but it does take away some choice. it does take away some opportunity for us to make choices. good to see you, thank you as always. senator chris murphy, a member of the senate foreign relations committee, thank you for your time tonight, sir. donald trump talks about reproductive freedom. the judge overseeing the prosecution of donald trump over the classified documents he had at mar-a-lago is raising new alarm bells among court watchers. we will have more on that, just ahead.

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it has been 20 days since the judge in the classified documents case held a hearing to discuss a possible new trial date. the special counsel, jack smith is hoping it will go to trial this summer. donald trump is hoping that it will go to trial never and nearly 3 weeks later judge aileen cannon has yet to make a decision on the matter. she has found time to hold a separate hearing on a couple of donald trump's motions to dismiss the case. she dismissed one of them the same day, kind of. she shut down trump's request to dismiss the charges against him based on unconstitutional vagueness but she also left the door open to bring that idea back to trial. then in an order, judge cannon issued this week, she appears to be engaging with trump's other motion to dismiss this

case. this one based on his claim that he had the right under the presidential records act to keep classified documents. judge cannon has given lawyers on both sides another couple of weeks to submit proposed jury instructions about that question. that has raised eyebrows among legal experts who are watching this case closely, some of whom are describing judge cannon's order with words like insane. joining me know, former senior justice department official and cohost of prosecuting donald trump podcast, good evening to you. i don't have any legal education, i find this little hard to follow. she has asked both sides to come up with draft jury questions or instructions about matters relating to donald trump's claim. it does not happen that much in law and order, so will this make sense of it.

>> judges do ask the parties for proposed jury instructions, they do not do that many months before a trial that has not even been scheduled yet. they do that when we are on the eve of trial. in fact often times they do that in the midst of trial, they will ask the parties given how the evidence has come out to proposed jury instructions. this is not even about the real proposed jury instructions. there will be a later time for this. this is like an exercise she is putting the government and mr. trump's attorneys two, which is , like, hypothesize with me here. these two competing scenarios, neither one of which has any basis of -- in law, but do make us wonder if she is in trying to push decisions she should be making, legal decisions she should be making right now, push those to the time of a jury and asking things like, should it be the jury who looks at each document and decides, did the government prove it's personal or presidential? the definition of presidential records are records that are prepared for the president or

by his staff for him in executing his constitutional statutory or other official or ceremonial duties. personal records are the opposite of that, things that are personal, purely personal, not for executing constitutional or statutory duties and of course these are all original classified documents by the intelligence community. so, clearly presidential records that are provided to the president when he was the president, in order for him to carry out his constitutional or statutory duties. she neglects all of that, posits in these competing scenarios one in which the jury would decide his or presidential or personal, the other in which the jury i think would only decide, was mr. trump designating them personal by not returning them to the archives? simply by not returning them, does that mean they are personal? so she is giving over the legal decisions she has been asked to make in these motions to

dismiss and suggesting she is going to leave some issues to the jury that really should not be jury issues. >> that is exactly the part that as those of us who don't understand the law, it as is scratching our heads. the second jury instruction she is asking the two legal teams about reads as follows. a president has sole authority under the presidential records act to categorize records as personal or presidential during his or her presidency. neither a court nor a jury is permitted to make or review such a categorization decision. this is what you were talking about but i want to read it for the viewers so they know what we are talking about. this seems like a very, very big deal and it seems like a very, very big legal deal that speaks to the merits of this case. this doesn't feel like sort of a casual thing you but to a jury before you have a jury. >> that's right, other government arguments that she hasn't dealt with i things like the presidential records act

has absolutely nothing to do with the criminal charges against him which are under criminal united states code provisions that say you cannot retain national defense information when you are not authorized to have it and you have been asked to return it. that issue is completely separate from personal or presidential, as we have already discussed. there is no real world in which these documents are personal records. the danger here is that if she lets this go to trial, she could actually take the issue away from the jury. she could do something called grant a motion for a judgment of acquittal, a rule 29 motion, at the end of the government's case and just say i am finding the government did not prove that these were not personal records and i am directing a judgment of acquittal and that is something that the government cannot appeal, it is just as though a jury had found somebody not guilty and the government can't appeal that. so i think a lot of people

looking at this are feeling very skeptical about, what are her motives here and why is she not dealing with the legal issues the way she was asked to do? why is she suggesting she is going to push things off to the trial? it could be she will not do that, could be she would leave it to a jury but that is also dangerous because these are really legal questions and she is assuming those responses and not engaging with the government's arguments. >> i knew you would make me understand this better, i appreciate that. mary mccord is a former senior justice department official and cohost on the prosecuting donald trump podcast. coming up, if you thought the overturning of roe v wade would be enough to satiate conservatives and their assault on women's reproductive rights, think again. evidence of the dystopian direction things appear to be headed is up next.

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rail, went nowhere. until now. >> a number of weeks now, people are agreeing on 15 and i am thinking in terms of that and it will come out to something that is very reasonable. democrats are radical on this issue. >> donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee for president wants a national 15 week abortion man. what lindsey graham suggested, something that would apply to every state including states that have enshrined the right to abortion in their state constitutions. he calls this, quote, very reasonable. he says democrats, the ones who support access to abortion, our radicals. this is a pattern in the conservative movement now that roe v wade is gone, they are shifting the middleground. what was french and unthinkable two years ago is now marketed as moderate.

upending access to in vitro fertilization for example was considered unimaginable until alabama's supreme court did it last month. if you think there is a reproductive freedom so protected republicans can never touch it, think again. here is ben shapiro last year. >> it is almost a political third rail that if you mention there are side effects to taking the birth control pill, which by the way, many of these have been known about for a long time, they are listed among the side effects, but if you talk about this somehow it means that you are an uber religious fanatic. >> that is how we introduced a guest on his radio show who was there to warn the american public about the perils of hormonal birth control. >> there is a breath of impact it has including partner selection, they have found that women who are on the birth control pill tend to be attracted to men that are less traditionally masculine, which is certainly interesting and might have societal impact.

>> women who are on the birth control pill are attracted to men who are less traditionally masculine. i don't even know what to make of that. this year, this is what young women and teens are hearing online. >> having a period is so stupid so i just take birth control and get the placebo. >> i used to do that too and now i can't believe how brainwashed we have been as women. >> birth control gave me blood clots. >> the truth is that birth control is going to give you a lot of symptoms. but instead we teach our women how to live in tune with their cycles? >> you are only fertile for 24 hours each month. >> your body tells you and your fertile and when you're not. >> if your team no kids but i am also not going to take the birth control because it is bad for you, listen to me. when i tell you that this works, vape!

period, on time, every time. >> there is now a world of influencers on social media cautioning women against hormonal birth control and marketing what they say are replacement products. some of them are presenting themselves as medical experts, most of them are not, but these influencers are gaining clicks and followers well contributing to a new medically questionable yet lucrative industry focused on naturally regulating hormones. according to the washington post, some of this is backed by some pretty prominent conservatives like the republican donor peter teal who is reportedly invested in a menstrual cycle tracking app called 28. the only messaging maybe helping conservatives push legislation to limiting access to birth control and as access to birth control for minors is actually being litigated in the country's courts. it might be unthinkable now but with a strong enough influencer marketing campaign, the far right might eventually be able to control nearly every aspect

of women's reproductive health care. care. care. because, that is essentially what all of this is about, control. very reasonable. control. we will talk about that with reproductive freedom for all after the break. after the brea.

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>> since the supreme court overturned a roe v. wade, giving individual states the option to exercise control over their citizens reproductive freedom, 21 states across the country have either been abortion outright or severely restricted the procedure. in louisiana, abortion is banned in almost all circumstances, even in cases of and rape. however, abortion is allowed when the life of the pregnant person is in danger. here's the thing, the state of louisiana is very unclear about

when that exception applies . the obscurity forces doctors to question what qualifies as an exception and what does not. will i be prosecuted for saving this person's life? this is not hyperbole. according to a new report, doctors in louisiana are delaying necessary reproductive health care, including treatment for ectopic pregnancies, a condition that, if not immediately treated, can be deadly. out of fear of breaking the current law, which could lend them up to 15 years in prison, $200,000 in fines, and a loss of their medical license it in one case, a patient that her care was delayed for so long that her fallopian tubes ruptured. "i could have died," she said in the report. "i really could have died." joining us president and ceo of reproductive freedom for all. good to see you. thank you for being with us. i didn't think, i thought this

was about abortion and whether you believe in a human life and when it starts. i thought these were good faith beliefs. it's fully about control. the ivf stuff, the idea that you can't be clear about who qualifies for an abortion, in case of rape and , it is about control. >> i was with a couple hundred supporters today at an event in california and we were digging into this exact issue, that we know it wasn't that long ago that women in this country couldn't buy property or get a credit card without the control of their spouse. without the authorization of their spouse. there are women in that room i was meeting with today who remember those days. it wasn't that long ago. it was when our mothers were working in the workforce for the first time. it is when birth-control became

widely available in society and the fact that society has so fundamentally shifted since women got into the workforce is directly tied to the birth control pill, reproductive freedom has always been at the core of women's economic and social mobility. it is important to understand that is 100% why there are conservative forces in this country that want to push us back into the shadows and it is 100% about power and control and you don't have to go that far back into history to make the connection. >> there was a report about what is going on in louisiana. there are descriptions of times in which doctors instead of performing, instead of prescribing mifepristone are performing cesarean sections, which is wild, performing a surgery on a woman. the quote here is that she, the doctor ended up having to take this person for a c-section to preserve the appearance of not doing an abortion, even though this is not a viable pregnancy. >> this is the dystopian

situation that the trump supreme court has brought on this country. we have been talking about this since dobbs happened that this was the natural outcome that could happen in states where we've banned abortion and meet incredibly hostile conditions for providers. we knew this was going to happen. it is happening real time. grateful you are covering it, we have to keep telling these stories and they disproportionately affect women of color, who are the most at the margins in places like louisiana. >> mini timmaraju, we have much more to talk about . you and i talk regularly and we will continue to have this conversation. thank you always for your time. mini timmaraju, president and ceo of reproductive freedom for all. it is time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, my friend. >> the breaking news of the night about a u.n. resolution to be brought tomorrow by the united states about a cease-fire