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needed for his almost half a billion dollar civil fraud bond, despite approaching 30 companies asking for help. they have all said no. the deadline to post the bond is next week, if he fails too, letitia james can seize his assets, unless a judge steps in. joining us now, vaughn hillyard, and brooklyn prosecutor here in new york and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. vaughn, this money stuff, you and i have been talking about it. clearly it's a major problem. bring us up to speed. >> right. this is an issue here. well, you're looking at him campaigns in ohio over the weekend. of course the state of arizona continues to be a focus point for their political operation. donald trump and his family and the family business is wholly focused on the fact that they have got to somehow come up over the next seven days with $450 million. even whether it be in cash or

whether it be in the form of an appeal bond, but what this motion here from donald trump's lawyer this morning, to the appellate court in new york seeks to do is put a stay on him having to execute on paying and putting forward that appeal bond for the damages. the difficult reality is that donald trump is having to come to terms with the fact that they have gone to surety bond companies, seeking help, and according to donald trump's lawyer, none of them have been able to come through. coming up with a $93 million bond is tough enough with the e. jean carroll damages suit. this is a whole other level, you're getting to the conversation of selling a stake in the trump organization or finding somebody to invest and put up the cash on behalf of donald trump. as trump's attorneys suggested, there's nobody in the united states of america that has $500 million in equity, cash, laying on their kitchen table ready to turn over and put forward to help out donald trump. and so this is a difficult

reality at a time where his campaign is allowed to focus on the political. for him, he's focused on the future of not only his family company but finances. >> not to mention, what national security analysts and those in the intelligence community would say is a potentially dangerous thing to post bond for donald trump as he's running for president. vaughn. >> exactly. i mean, you're coming down to questions of whether he seeks to have support from somebody overseas, a foreign entity. there's a lot of question marks that trump's campaign, his legal team have not provided clear insight to, and, so i mean, when you're coming down to the fact that on monday, letitia james will begin going through the courts to seize his assets, you're talking about within seven days, donald trump losing major properties in manhattan.

there's a lot at stake. en they are doing everything possible to come up with a bond or cash for donald trump and his company, this is a matter of whatever it takes at this point. >> in order to get this bond, what these companies, the trump team says the companies are asking for is cash from donald trump or securities. they don't want real estate. why might they not want real estate? >>. >> part of the reason for that, when you're talking about eal estate, you don't know what the mortgage is on those properties, so creating a valuation system that's going to allow them to properly assess what the properties are worth is complicated and a complex process. they want stuff that they know is very marketable and immediately something they can liquidate if they need to. ultimately, donald trump needing to find more or less half a billion dollars, if not closer to a billion dollars in order to satisfy this bond so that he can

move forward with his appeal, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen. so unless this judge decides to step in and somehow lower the bond, which would be pretty much outside of the guidelines in new york state, or do something else like grant them an additional stay to get the time, letitia james is going to move forward in seizing his assets. these surety companies are not taking real property in lieu of actual hard cash. >> tell me what's going on. he has to go to judge engoron directly. judge engoron has been hard line on donald trump, really not budging a lot. he's the one who initially or the one who set this judgment against trump. he's the one who's asking for the bond. what's the likelihood that he might wiggle? >> not very likely, and i think if you recall, katy, we talked a little while ago about the genius and brilliance of judge

engoron when he allowed donald trump to testify or go off the rails. what i mean when i talk about that is at this point, donald trump has literally made his bed and now has to lie in it. he did that by his own making and doing in court, literally out of his own mouth. i think that the trouble he walked himself into throughout the course of the trial is coming back to bite him. he is not able to make my sort of persuasive argument in front of the judge that issued this judgment and put it in a court order to go back on what he ultimately decided. i don't see it as being likely. you're talking about a judge who's obviously extremely familiar with the facts, was literally there for everyof the trial and is the person who made the finding and the decision. he has no incentive to change his mind from what it is, he already decided given that when he decided it the first time, he had the information he has now, and there's nothing new that has

come to pass that will make him change his mind. >> donald trump was on camera in one of his depositions last year, saying that he had $400 million in cash on hand. it does definitely cut against that claim that he made only last year. this is the trump campaign's responses from steven chung. >> this is a motion to stay the unjust, unconstitutional, un-american judgment from new york judge engoron in a political witch hunt brought by a corrupt attorney general. a bond of this size would be an abuse of the law, contradict bedrock principles of our republic, and fundamentally undermine the rule of law in new york. president trump will continue fighting and beating all of these crooked blah blah blah, et cetera, et cetera, i should say. if james comes out and tries to seize assets, charles, how does that work? >> it's a long process. it basically is essentially what would happen if you were trying to collect something from another individual and so there's going to be an assessment of his actual

properties, of their values and basically trying to put on them, at a minimum to prevent them from doing anything with them. it's going to be a difficult process. we're obviously focusing on his real property assets that he has, but any sort of liquid, letitia james will be looking to take advantage of. there will be an assessment of priority around the assets that he has and looking to seize them, vis-a-vis, court enforcement and ultimately the sheriff's office in the state of new york. >> this is a really big deal, and again, chubb was the one who came to his aid for the e. jean carroll judgment it was about $100 million. we will see what happens with this, seven days to go before he has to post the bond. charles, thank you very much, vaughn, don't go anywhere. donald trump's comments over the weekend, it has been his go-two campaign pitch. elect me and i will protect you, the american voter, the american

public, from the flood of dangerous immigrants coming over the southern border. migrants he calls rapists and criminals, terrorists and killers, and now less than human. >> i would do the same thing if i had prisons that were teaming with ms-13 and all sort of people that they've got to take care of for the next 50 years. young people, they're in jails, if you call them people. i don't know if you call them people. in some cases, they're not people, in my opinion. these are animals. >> that was trump at a campaign speech in ohio over the weekend, three months after he repeated language used by hitler and mussolini to dehumanize jews 100 years ago. >> they're poisoning the country. mental institutions and prisons all over the world. not just south america, not just the three or four countries we think about. all over the world they're coming to our country from africa, from asia, all over the world, they're pouring into our

country. >> when you talk about illegal migrants and it's a huge crisis at the border, and after three years, obviously the democrats bear the primary responsibility, why do you use words like vermin and poisoning of the blood. the press reacts to say that's the language that hitler and mussolini used. >> i didn't know that, but that's what they say, because our country is being poisoned. >> that was how he asked why he uses that language. why he gets cheered for. donald trump has been using this language since 2015 when he came down the escalators and called some immigrants rapists and some are good people, as he said. initially, the feeling was obviously this was going to be unacceptable to the american public. no way this guy can get elected if he's saying these sorts of things. he did get elected. he's more extreme in the rhetoric, parroting things that

hitler and mussolini said. if you get called out on that, hitler used that language, gosh, i don't want to use that language anymore. he doesn't do that. why? >> reporter: he has used it since the first rally in july of 2015, in phoenix, that you and i were at. he was there with families of individuals who had been killed by undocumented immigrants. donald trump recognizes that polling data has consistently shown that immigration is a hot bed issue on the minds of voters, from both political voters across the country. donald trump has taken a tact that is a hard line approach. he has called for the states, including texas and arizona, to be able to use their own law enforcement, local law enforcement, to crack down on illegal immigration, and arrest undocumented immigrants. he has suggested that he would institute the largest deportation program, deporting millions of undocumented

immigrants. the largest since dwight d. eisenhower, referring this weekend to migrants as animal, not even people. there's a different political reality to this as well, the great share of the american population will understand that the migrant crisis has put a strain on resources in cities around the country. at the same time, communities in maricopa county understand how fundamental the immigrant community has been to the functioning of these communities, here in phoenix and atlanta. for donald trump he has made a calculation over the last nine years that he is going to use immigration and the fear of, you know, if you go back to 2018 and the week before the election, he was talking about the migrants that were coming across the border. of course in multiple states, including here in arizona, the senate candidate, martha mcsally, she lost her race as

she tried to echo fears. this is a difficult conversation. donald trump has chosen to use dehumanizing verbiage to describe migrants, the great many who are coming here to seek frankly a better life. >> i understand. i'm not talking about policies so much. there are a lot of americans out there who want there to be much stricter immigration rules, democrats as well. there was that compromise in the senate on the border, even probably more conservative that democratic compromise that was sent to the house, didn't go anywhere. wasn't even sent to the house. didn't even go anywhere in the senate because former president trump didn't want it. it's the language that i'm curious about. and i can put up on the screen language that he used reportedly in private back when he was in the white house talking about migrants from s-hole countries as he had said or haiti immigrants having aids. he said some really extreme and dehumanizing things about

immigrants. you might want a stricter policy. why does he get cheered for that sort of language? >> reporter: because that's the sort of language that people invoke themselves. there are folks that make the case that somehow the undocumented immigrant population has had a negative economic impact on them. there's a great number of people who don't like to hear spanish being spoken in their communities, and donald trump looked at folks like joe arpaio who reigned for decades as the maricopa county sheriff. he had crime suppression sweeps. what they were were his law enforcement agents that would go and pull people over for a broken light or that were working at the local laundromat and were undocumented. he would arrest them, separate them from families, and he consistently won election over and over again. those are the folks that donald trump saw, and frankly there's a great share of the american population, including here in arizona that wants that type of

a republican, that type of leader when they talk about immigration and the hard line stances. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. we're going to talk about this more but we're going to break. mike pence says he can't in good faith support donald trump. what donald trump said over the weekend, not about migrants but something else that sent pence over the edge. plus, what does the supreme court think about free speech in the internet age. what the justices asked this morning in what will be a significant ruling. and later, biden and bibi are talking again. what they said today on the phone, and what will change in gaza. we're back in 60 seconds.

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the president or any other leaders would refer to people that are moving through justice system as hostages, and it's just unacceptable. >> we showed you a clip of donald trump calling the january 6th hostages in december, he said it again over the weekend, and that was what pence was reacting to in that interview he just did with cbs. he says he will not endorse his former running mate. he can't in good conscience help him get elected again. joining us "meet the press" political analyst, marc short. congratulations on the new position with "meet the press." we appreciate you coming on today. explain vice president pence's thinking here, and why he's saying it now. >> actually, i think he's been saying it. if you go back to the opening speech he gave when he announced his candidacy for president, he laid out clearly his concerns about president trump's fidelity

of the constitution and the lack thereof and the disagreement it created between the two of them. he went on to say, i feel that donald trump is walking away from much of our conservative agenda, whether or not that is his reluctance to, again, embrace the value of life and to condemn pro lifers for the loss in the 2022 midterm elections or walk away from our international commitments where our administration, i think, was very successful in providing javelin missiles to ukraine, and now it's actually the biden administration that is standing up to russian aggression, and i think there's a series of issues from avoiding and addressing entitlement spending to frankly trade issues. i think there's still a lot of concern about the fact that actually donald trump is walking away from the record of the four years that gave him concern. but then the second point you made regarding the comments from the rally about the hostages, the reality is that, you know, as someone who was evacuated on that day on january 6th, i recall that the president's first remarks were that that must be antifa because he was ashamed of the way they were

assaulting police and ransacking the capitol, and yet today refers to them somehow as patriots or hostages. i don't think it takes much to remember because of how embarrassing that situation was, he frankly assumed or tried to pretend they were antifa. >> you were with the vice president, you know the chants being made against the vice president that day, the threats to his life. he clearly feels very strongly about this particular moment that what happened that day and donald trump's embrace of trying to make them into patriots, as you said, should we expect to see vice president pence campaign against donald trump. i'm not saying campaigning for joe biden, but maybe try to convince the american public he's not fit to be in office again? >> i think he said his piece on this. i don't think he's looking to campaign against trump. he feels the republican primary voters have had their say, but i

think that he thought it was important to explain why he's not comfortable endorsing. and again, i think it goes beyond the events of january 6th. mike's a far more forgiving person than i am. and i trust when he says he's forgiven trump for that day. the reality is for the next three years, he has morphed into a different story about the events of that day, and continues to condemn the vice president's actions of upholding the constitution. i think that creates a division, but it goes beyond january 6th into so many things he feels he's walking away from traditional conservativism. and many in our party as well. he's going to talk about the issues and here's where we as conservatives have traditionally stood and it's important to have the standard bearer of conservatives. >> we're in a position that few of us were. you got to see the trump administration from the inside. you understand the workings, why donald trump might be campaigning in a way he's

campaigning. can you help me understand why republican voters, trump voters are cheering him when he calls the january 6th rioters hostages. why donald trump thinks that's a winning message? >> you know, i think that the best i can explain, for many conservatives, they do feel like there's been a two-tiered system of justice over the last several years. many got caught up in the notion that the events of january 6th reflected that. as conservatives, many of us condemned the blm riots, the summer of 2020, and condemn those who destroyed stores, and should face the same penalty of the law. i feel the same about those who ransacked our capitol. that's a consistent perspective. many feel there's a two-tiered system of justice, and they have fallen into the notice that somehow the people of january 6th have been unfairly prosecuted. i'm familiar with people who wandered into the capitol and got caught up in something have

not been prosecuted. the ones prosecuted physically assaulted police, and i think they should be prosecuted. >> marc short, really good to have you. thanks again for coming on. i really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. president biden and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu got on the phone today. what national security adviser jake sullivan said about that call. first, what chief justice john roberts did to make it harder for plaintiffs to hand pick judges, like the one who ruled against mifepristone last year. ♪♪ [cat meow] —is she? letting her imagination run wild even though she has allergies. yeah.

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and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. so how did the argument sound today? what did we glean from the questions that were asked? >> katy, this case has already had profound implications because a conservative federal judge in louisiana essentially blocked federal officials from talking to social media companies, so the fbi for a long time had stopped communicating, for example, with facebook about foreign disinformation campaigns. the justices today appeared skeptical that that should be the status quo. both liberals and conservatives made a point of saying that they thought it was reasonable that government officials could talk to social media platforms and flag disinformation, whether about covid vaccines or other things and flag harmful content, and be persuasive as long as they weren't coercive. the other side is alleging they were actually coercive. we'll have to see how they rule. a majority of justices seem to have a hard time with the arguments made by the states of

louisiana and missouri. >> the administration, the government, any agency from it, can call news organizations when a story runs, and they can say, we don't think this is correct or we don't like it or you're endangering national security. the news organization decides whether to go with it. that has been known to happen. the difference here that the plaintiffs were arguing is that if they're calling the social media sites, they're not calling the individuals who are posting the material. they're calling the sites that are platforming it. was that a difference that was made today in court? >> absolutely, and that is a difference, and the other difference is that the government has a regulatory authority through section 230 and other laws over these social media companies. so the plaintiffs in this case were arguing that's essentially a club that the government can wield over these companies. there is a difference. there is a first amendment concern here. the justices found there has to be a balance. what's interesting is the supreme court could get out of this case on procedural grounds,

rule that the plaintiffs didn't have standing. a lot of experts hope they set rules of the road. there aren't any right now. the government is looking for guidance in how far they can go in flagging information. >> gorsuch or kavanaugh that brought that up. >> alito expressed surprised that a government official would yell at a newspaper, you and i can attest it's common. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. now senior writer, joseph stern. good to have you. this is something you and dolly lithwick reported on. this is chief justice john roberts getting in and trying to close a loophole that would make it harder for plaintiffs to go out and hand pick judges. explain this reporting. >> so we have this problem where there's a federal courthouse and

just one guy who sits there, usually a trump appointee in a place like amarillo, and so if you are a plaintiff and you go to that courthouse and file your case, you know that guy is going to rule on it. that defies all of the usual rules here because typically cases are randomly assigned to one of many district court judges that are sitting on the court. this is like a loophole, basically, and it was used in the case you were just discussing, the republican attorneys general went to the monroe division of the western district of louisiana where there was one judge sitting, terry doughty, a trump appointee, and got him to issue an injunction against millions of employees, including the fbi. the supreme court has been not so happy with that for quite some time. what chief justice roberts did was use the judicial conference of the united states, which is the administrative body of the whole federal judiciary to implement a new policy that says

we are patching this loophole, district courts, you need to resume random assignments. you are no longer allowed to let single judges just accept these obviously shocked cases, and issue nationwide injunctions that seize all of this power from the other branches. from here on out, every time a plaintiff comes to a single judge and says i want some sweeping injunction, you've got to put that in the spinner and randomly assigned to a different judge. this is gaming the system and makes us all look bad. >> we're talking about the case in front of the courts is the amarillo judge who ruled that mifepristone wasn't adequately vetted by the fda, thereby making it so potentially it could get taken off the shelves everywhere. he issued an injunction, another court issued their own injunction. is this the supreme court saying you're putting too much on our

docket. we should not have to rule on a lot of these cases, should never be in front of us in the first place. >> 100%. a really shocking number of the supreme court cases come from the fifth circuit and district court judges who issued the inassumptions on dubious grounds. the antiabortion group went there because they knew he was an abortion warrior on the bench. they knew he would rule for them, no matter how weak their arguments. some justices like amy coney barrett, john roberts, brett kavanaugh, they are tired of having to confront and reverse some of the worse legal reasoning you will ever see in a judicial opinion. they are sick and tired of dealing with rogue judges embracing fringe theories that all regular sort of upstanding judges would reject out of hand. this is the first of several steps that the chief justice will take to rein in and abolish

this acts. justice breyer had an interview with the "new york times," issuing a warning to the court. he's saying he's urging the younger justices on it to maybe think again about being textualists or originalists. first it requires judges to be historians, a role for which they may not be qualified, constantly searching historical sources for the answers where there often isn't one. it leaves no room for judges to consider the practical consequences of the constitutional rules they propound and does not take into account the values that evolve over time as we learn from the mistakes of our past. what do you make of breyer? >> all eyes are on barrett. she has shown herself to be a little bit more flexible, more practical, more moderate than a lot of us expected her to be.

she has her eyes on her legacy, and also she's realizing if the court stays true to this hard core version of originalalism where they make up a new standard and rule every time based on their interpretation of the history of 1791, the law will be in total chaos, and barrett, whatever else she is, she is not a chaos agent. she likes order, she likes rules. she likes predictability. i think justice breyer is looking to barrett and saying we can do this the normal way. we can build on precedent. the law can develop slowly and steadily. or we can shatter the law every single term and force the american people to guess what the rules will be tomorrow. you get to choose. you're in the driver's seat. i hope she's listening. >> the beauty of the constitution is a living document that grows and breathes as society does as well. mark joseph stern, i have run out of time, thank you very much for joining us as always. >> thanks, katy. one fifth of voters say they are sick of biden and trump.

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for the first time in a long time today, 32 days to be exact, president biden got on the phone with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu.

what did president biden say to him? here's what national security adviser jake sullivan said went down. >> the president didn't make threats. what the president said today is i want you to understand, mr. prime minister, exactly where i am on this, i am for the defeat of hamas. i believe they are an evil terrorist group with not just israeli but american blood on their hands. at the same time, i believe that to get to that, you need a strategy that works. and that strategy should not involve a major military operation that puts thousands and thousands of lives, civilian, innocent lives at risk in rafah. there is a better way. send your team to washington. let's talk about it. we'll lay out for you what we believe is a better way, and i will leave it at that. >> joining us now, chief white house correspondent of the "new york times" and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. good to have you. that is a compelling pitch from president biden. do we know how prime minister netanyahu received it? >> it is compelling because it's meant to be constructive rather than continuing the escalation of wars that we have seen in the last few days, and, you know, i

mean, one thing that prime minister netanyahu has done throughout this last period is kind of position himself against biden in a way that he feels will help him domestically. he's the one guy resisting american pressure to stop doing what many people in israel want him to continue to do, which is to press that military campaign against hamas. we'll see how he proceeds from here. he has said repeatedly, yes, they're going to rafah. he so far hasn't actually done it. while he's defying america in the sense of what biden is saying in a rhetorical way, he has, in fact, held off actually doing what america has asked him to hold off doing. we'll see whether or not he, you know, send that team here to washington to have that conversation. >> there is a lot of frustration within israel that what they don't hear is they hear demands for israel to pull back. they don't hear any demands for hamas to surrender, for hamas to release the hostages, for hamas not to use palestinians as human shields. when benjamin netanyahu pushes back against president biden,

how does that actually play with the israeli public? does he see more support? because from what i have seen, he doesn't have much. >> well, it's interesting because netanyahu doesn't have a lot of support in a lot of ways. he was in political trouble before october 7th. and october 7th added to it because it leaves him now hanging with the accountability issue. who's responsible for october 7th. many israelis say it's netanyahu. as he said that, there is a consensus in the political world and israel behind the military operation. in that sense, he's not alone. it's not like he is the one person resisting biden, you know, left, right and center, there's a law, a strong history, strong amount of support on israelis for taking out hamas. in that sense, it makes it harder for president biden. it's about convincing the

israeli political establishment across the board there's a better way. >> peter baker, thank you very much. and vladimir putin won his fifth term last night, and he celebrated with a late night news conference where he finally said alexei navalny's name. joining us from moscow, nbc chief international correspondent keir simmons. you asked him that question. set it up for us. >> reporter: yeah. well, the reality is that vladimir putin will now serve for another six years, that the russian officials say he won 87% of the vote on a turnout of 77%. that would be historic if it really is how russians voted. certainly president putin is popular here in russia. is he that popular? perhaps we'll never know. what we do know, what was not on the ballot was the possibility of voting for a candidate who was against the war or against the jailing of journalists or the jailing of opposition figures, and that's effectively what i asked vladimir putin about straight last night.

mr. president, journalist evan gershkovich spent this election in prison, wasn't allowed to stand against you, and alexei navalny died in one of your prisons during your campaign. mr. president, is this what you call democracy? >> translator: that's life. took part in this election campaign, and this is first of all, a result of his unsatisfactory work during the preparatory period of this election. as for mr. navalny, he is perished, that is always a sad event. we have had other instances where people have died in prison. has nothing like that ever happened in the united states? it has happened, and not just once. >> reporter: now, jake sullivan, you played a little bit from his news conference a little bit earlier, katy. well, he also said in that news conference that he did not recognize what president putin

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swing voters face in november is one they prefer not to make. are you excited about these being your options? >> quite honestly, no. >> i can't say that i'm happy about either option. >> reporter: what's the word that you think when you see these two candidates running for president? >> aw, hell no. >>. >> reporter: the so-called double haters could choose not to vote at all or -- >> i'd like more choices. >> funny you say that. ask and you shall receive. >> look at that. does it change at all if i do that and give you a third option? >> depending on who it is? >> coke cola or pepsi? >> it's one of the ig wild cars. 21% of voters backed third-party candidates with independent robert f. kennedy grabbing 15%. for context, in 1992, ross perot

snagged 19% of the vote in what is considered one of the more successful third-party bids. the options may grow. the group no labels is pairing a democrat with a president. >> i would consider it. >> reporter: but the challenges are massive. getting on the ballot in all 50 states, fund-raising, navigating hot-button issues like abortion. perhaps the biggest hurdle. >> reporter: if it makes it easier for trump to win, would you even consider it? >> oh, no, no. >> i absolute it would by disruptive. >> reporter: he is blamed to taking votes away from george h.w. bush and giving the president sit to clinton. -- >> it just doesn't get any closer than this. >> for many double haters, they

want the choice to vote with their heart. >> absolutely could vote for a third. shaq, thanks very much. coming up next, she was spotted, or was she? the latest break on the kate middleton mystery.

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middleton. >> yet another high-profile event passing and "the sunday times" as new reporting about kate's state of mind after talking to her friends. take a look. >> this week print william will be out and about while his wife kate remains out of sight, upset, according to friends who spoke with "the sunday times" by the way the last week has played out. >> i think they're finding that very hard. >> reporter: despite the increased royal loo load, those close to williams say the family dependable is his top priority. over the weekend, the prince and princess of wales wished everyone a happy st. patrick's day parade, which she has attended in the past, but no sign of her this year. in the new reporting also

suggests we may not seer her until mid april. >> that won't be until after the children goes back after the holidays. >> that might be a chance for her to address her recovery period. the sunday times spoke with numb recent, and reports she's been fully aware of the feeding frenzy, and won't be pressured to respond. one source telling the paper she is not a show pony, but the next opportunity for a photo by kate, like all her children's birthday maybe be also louie's sixth birthday on april 23rd. no word if that will be taken by a professional photographer. present says diana's brother charles spencer compared the current scrutiny. >> around the current princess of wales, do you think the

dangers of that online sort of conspiracy world are more potent than the press intrusion you have fought against? >> no, i think it was more dangerous back in the day. >> do you worry about what happened to the truth? >> i do worry about that. >> reporter: the next time we'll see prince william is tomorrow morning at an event. we'll by listening close will. just all so interesting. thank you very much, molly hunter. that does it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in washington, d.c. i'm michael steele in for nicolle wallace. if we know anything about the former president, he does not like as to part with his