industrial base. we sent the money to u.s. states to build the kind of shells and ammunition needed by the ukrainians and ship it over there. we are essentially cuddling, cutting the ukrainians loose and cutting the cord on funding that supports u.s. jobs and industry, albeit in the defense industry, for what ? so that we can align ourselves with putin. not only does not have the u.s. retreating from its role in the world and standing up for democracies like ukraine that are under threat , it also is signaling a choice. united states is moving into this other column here. the vladimir putin column. it is not just isolationism, it is making a choice about which side we are on in this continued violence in the struggle between democracy and autocracy. that has people around the world much more exercised than in washington, where it seems like this is just another political game. another government shutdown, another fight over the debt ceiling. no, if we don't deliver this money to ukraine, they will

lose territory, they will lose people, they will lose momentum on the front line of the biggest war in europe since world war ii. our politics can't seem to process that. >> it is a real statement of priorities on behalf of the united states of america. my friend ben rhodes, thank you for your time and thoughts tonight, really appreciate it. >> thanks, alex. that is our show for the evening. now it is time for last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> alex, i was listening to your discussion and i have some concerns about the way we use the word strongman because i fear it can sound just too good to too many voters who think the president of the united states supposed to be a strong man? it is a term we've been using for decades in a way that everyone using it electively understood. i'm not sure it communicates

what we would like it to communicate here. >> you are so right. we should call it fascist fan and the boys. that is the essence of what is happening here. >> i don't have a suggestion, i'm feeling awkward about that term. that's all. that is where i am. >> duly noted. thank you for the feedback. have a great show. >> thanks, alex. between now and tuesday, november 5th, the two most important stories we will be covering at this hour are the multiple prosecutions of criminal defendant donald trump and the presidential election. there are of course, obviously, usually important stories going on at the same time around the world, in ukraine, in gaza and israel and elsewhere around the world, in africa and asia. south america. but, the presidential election is the most important of all of those stories because what happens in all of those other stories around the world after november fifth largely depends on who wins the election. if

donald trump wins the election, the israeli government and the israeli military will be free to, as donald trump puts it, "finish the job." in gaza. those are trumps words, finish the job. he means kill as many people as you want to. donald trump will not try to achieve a cease-fire the way president biden has been working to achieve a cease-fire . in ukraine, if donald trump wins election, vladimir putin will be free to continue to kill ukrainians in his imperialistic march to take over ukraine without any resistance at all from the american president. if donald trump is elected president, the story of criminal defendant trump, in effect, disappears. donald trump would be able to end up with federal prosecutions against him by special prosecutor chuck smith, who would be instantly fired by donald trump, and the two state prosecutions against him in new york and georgia would be forced into at least a four year delay and donald trump is

no longer president. if donald trump wins, justice loses. if donald trump wins, human decency loses. if donald trump wins, then all is lost. as of tonight, most american voters know that. joe biden is going to win means more votes than donald trump. but, this is the country where you can come in second with the voters and still become president, still win. thanks to the perversion of democracy the founders called the electoral college. as of tonight, not enough people in a handful of so- called battleground states who will decide this election understand the stakes of this election. not enough people in those few states yet understand what they will lose if donald trump wins. so we begin tonight with what

is now the most important of those stories that we will be covering this year because it will determine the outcome of the rest of those stories. we begin with the presidential election. last night presidential primaries, joe biden was the first to win enough delegates to secure the democratic nomination for president. hours later, donald trump won enough delegates to secure the republican nomination for president. today, president biden continued his campaigning in battleground states, appearing at the opening of the biden/harris wisconsin coordinated campaign headquarters in milwaukee. the milwaukee journal sentinel notes it is the first milwaukee campaign base for a democratic presidential nominee in at least 20 years. the biden/harris campaign is opening 43 other campaign offices in wisconsin, all over

the state. here's president biden speaking at the wisconsin campaign headquarters in milwaukee today. >> our freedoms are at stake. they really are at stake. not a joke. the right to choose, the right to be able to determine whether you are going to get to vote, how we vote. it is all in your hands. folks like you all across the country, because, this is how i won the first time i ran, this is how we are going to win again. a lot of you helped me in 2020 and we will make sure he is a loser and he is a loser. we are going to make sure that happens again, right? >> at a campaign event in milwaukee, the president explained what is infrastructure build means for daily life. >> wider sidewalks for children

walking to school, saver bike lanes for residents and visitors. a dedicated bus lanes to get to work faster. new trees to provide shade and modern structure to prevent sewage from flowing into the milwaukee river and lake michigan. these are life-changing improvements. they will also make it easier for historic black communities in the north and latino communities in the south to access jobs, schools, and entertainment. opportunities in the city and central hub, from watching the milwaukee bucks play to attending milwaukee area technical college. my predecessor talked about the structure week for four years. he didn't get a single thing done. not one. ron johnson and every republic republican in congress voted against the inflation reduction act and wants to repeal it. >> president biden explained some of what is at stake on the presidential ballot. >> just this week, donald trump said cuts to social security and medicare are on the table.

instead of cutting social security and medicare to give tax breaks to the wealthy, i will protect social security and medicare to make the wealthy begin to pay their fair share. >> keep this number in mind. joe biden won georgia by just 11,779 votes in 2020. and, on election day yesterday in georgia, nikki haley won almost 20,000 votes. all of those voters knew that nikki haley had already dropped out of the presidential campaign. but, still, yesterday on election day, 20,000 voters went to the polls in georgia to vote in the presidential primary for nikki haley against donald trump. that is a sign of potential weakness for donald trump in november. nikki haley's total vote in georgia was 70,000, which

includes the votes cast before nikki haley dropped out of the presidential campaign. today, the biden/harris campaign released this statement. "nikki haley's workers continue to make it crystal clear that donald trump is not building a coalition that can win in november. suburban, moderate, and independent voters are rejecting trumps divisive rhetoric and extreme policies and it is no surprise donald trump is running on the same extreme agenda that has cost republicans election after election, threatening democracy, overturning roe versus wade, passing a national abortion ban, repealing the affordable care act, and cutting medicare and social security." leading of our discussion tonight is principal deputy campaign manager for the biden/harris reelection campaign, he was the winning campaign manager for democratic senator raphael warnock in georgia. thank you for joining us tonight from biden/harris campaign headquarters in wilmington. i want to start with what we

just identified in georgia, since you are the highest level expert we can possibly engage on winning the state of georgia. that 30,000 votes cast on election day, on the election day, for a candidate who voters know is no longer running for president, nikki haley, where the winning margin in that state last time was just over 11,000 votes, how do you interpret that nikki haley vote? >> first of all, thank you for having me again, lawrence. it is great to be with you. look, the vote last night in georgia bears out exactly what our campaign has been saying this entire republican primary is that donald trump is failing to consolidate his base and win over swing and independent moderate voters. these voters are protesting donald trump and saying to the republican party they won't vote for him because of the extremism and he continues to double down on it. our campaign

is making sure that we communicate with these voters and letting them know that anybody that cares about donald trump's extreme agenda on women's reproductive freedoms, on the affordable care act, on cutting social security and medicare, that they have a home and that they can be involved in this campaign. so, it is, again, a continuation of the story we have been pointing out for a very long time, that donald trump simply does not have a consolidated base to win in a general election. >> i want to listen to what representatives omar said yesterday to those voters who are casting the uncommitted votes in the democratic presidential primary, let's listen to this. >> democracy is on the line. we are facing down fascism. and, i personally know what my life felt like having trump as the president of this country. and, i know what it felt like for my constituents and for people around this country and around the world. we have to do everything that we can to make sure that does not happen to our country again. the uncommitted vote has been very clear. they want a change in policy and we've seen that within three days, you had the vice

president using the word cease- fire. we now have the resident saying there is a red line. >> as you know, congresswoman ilhan omar is talking about a kind of progress that can feel too small and too gradual, especially to relatively new voters, who have never really had this issue in mind at presidential ballots, when she is talking about now we've gotten the biden administration talking cease-fire, we've got and talking redlines. how do you want to present the case to those voters for voting for joe biden over donald trump? >> look, there really is no comparison here. one thing i want to thank representative ilhan omar for her comments. we know how deeply this issue

is and personal this issue is to a lot of voters and the president has tried to put his administration in a position to go and talk to these voters and listen. our campaign has tried to talk to these voters and engage these waters and listen. on the contrast of pointing this out, there is no comparison that that that donald trump poses to democracy. the president wants the same thing as a lot of these individuals who are casting uncommitted votes. he wants long and lasting peace in the middle east for both israel and gaza and our campaign will continue to communicate that. a lot of the table medical to get there is done behind the scenes and that is a difference between president biden and donald trump as well. a real leader knows that it takes tact and skill to lead america through a time like this and that is what president biden is doing. then again, there is a litany of things we can talk about when it comes to why donald trump is not prepared to be

president of the united states. look at nato, saying we should pull out of nato and let vladimir putin do whatever he wants to do. he's cuddling up to dictators and hanging out with him because he wants to be one. he's pledging to got social security and medicare, the affordable health care act, reproductive freedoms, bragging about it. our campaign is not taking any voters for granted and we will put in the work to make sure everybody knows that donald trump is a threat to democracy and that they have a place to call home in this campaign. >> on social security and medicare, donald trump very easily and comfortably said when asked about cutting them in order to help the deficit issue, donald trump said absolutely, there's a lot you can do. that campaign is kind of running away from that now saying he doesn't want to do that. he certainly is supported by a party that has historically always wanted to and attempted to cut social security and medicare. there's never been a republican congress or a republican president who wasn't aimed at that.

>> he is saying the quiet part out loud. and, he absolutely meant it, regardless of what his campaign is trying to do to walk it back. it is time we strengthen social security and medicare and ensure the wealthy are paying their fair share as president biden is pledging to do. donald trump is only in this race for himself. he's in this race to get out of trouble. he's in this race to enact revenge on his political enemies and retribution. he said so himself. he says he wants to be a dictator on day one. we have to continue to point these things out. it is reckless. donald trump is not concerned about americans. donald trump is concerned about himself and that historically the contrast that our campaign will continue to work diligently to make over the next several months. >> biden/harris deputy campaign manager, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. joining us now is richler, chairman of the democratic party in wisconsin. he was with president biden today and when ben wikler talks wisconsin, i listen. tell us what we need to know about this historic investment in wisconsin. >> president biden was in

wisconsin. i think it was his sixth visit today. and kamala harris has been here five times. we are a constant focus because wisconsin is the tipping point state. it is the state that tipped for trump in 2016. for biden in 2020. four of the last six presidential campaigns margins of victory here came down to less than one percentage point. biden/harris administration knows this and they are investing with their presence, with campaign resources, and ensuring that this presidency and this administration delivers for wisconsin voters, as they are doing nationwide. today, president biden was here announcing a $35 million investment in the sixth street corridor in milwaukee to ensure that where an interstate cut through and divided communities decades ago, they are now going to be built in a way that brings communities together. then he came over to the

campaign headquarters and basically opened up and connected with dozens of cheering volunteers and supporters. had conversations, took photos with them. the office that will be the heart of the statewide operation to make sure that we both turned out and persuade every possible voter, every voter who doesn't want a trump dictatorship starting in 2025. the nerve center for this campaign is in milwaukee because republicans have targeted milwaukee for voter suppression. and, they have bragged about it and we are going to fight back. >> ben, as you know, there is a tension around this campaign. i remember in past presidential campaigns in the pre-trump era, people would say to me what is going to happen as if i knew and i would always tell them i don't know. and now what i hear from people is tell me it's going to be okay, tell me it's going to be okay. it is very different from the feelings that you had on democrat versus republican presidential campaigns in the past. it is about are we going to be

okay, is the country going to be okay, are we going to get through this ? which means, is donald trump going to lose is that and what do you say when people ask you that in a state where it is a 1% one way or the other outcome? >> i say that wisconsin over and over, this is true in all the closest battleground states, it is going to come down to the margin of effort. in other words, the work that people do, volunteers who want to help us, go to wisdems.org. people in wisconsin, knocking on doors, making those phone calls, chipping in . that will determine the outcome because it will come down to two or three votes per precinct around our state. and, the good thing about having an incredibly small margin like that is you can make the difference was so.

watching this right now, you can play the role in flipping a precinct that helps flip the state that tips the entire electoral college. that is an extraordinary privilege. it is the power of being in a genuine democracy. and it is use it or lose it. this is the moment if you care about a democracy to fight for it. and, the polls say in wisconsin it is tied. this could absolutely come down to a minuscule margin that volunteers, after we win the election and joe biden wins another term and we can all exhale, volunteers in this election will be able to look in the mirror and say to themselves i did this. that is what we want for everyone to feel in this race. >> ben wikler, thank you very much for giving us that guidance. i know there's a lot of voters out there in states like california, new york, massachusetts, other places where they are out of the electoral college game. they are absolutely going to joe biden and they only wish they could help somehow in those states that have that burden and privilege and responsibility in the end of choosing a president. that guidance is very helpful

beyond wisconsin. thank you very much. >> they can call, they can join the virtual phone banks. we welcome folks from out of state. you will call strong democrat and remind them to vote. we don't want out of state volunteers to the persuasion here. but, we can absolutely use all of the volunteers anywhere in the country because we have 3.28 million votes in 2020. who knows how many we will need this time. we are bringing up the numbers now. we want help from anyone who can help because it is going to be all hands on deck to win this thing. >> ben, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up, today, georgia judge scott mcafee dismissed three of the 13 charges against donald trump on a technicality and invited the district attorney to deliver a new indictment on the same charges that were dismissed. a new indictment that would comply with georgia's technical requirements. andrew wiseman and former district attorney gwen keyes join us next. us next. e guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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>> today, fulton county judge scott mcafee dismissed 3 of the 13 counts donald trump is facing in district attorney fanni willis's election interference case against trump for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. one of the cows that was dismissed involves his phone call urging georgia secretary of state brad raffensberger to find him the votes. judge mcafee said the county

dismissed contain the elements of the crimes but failed to allege sufficient detail regarding the nature of their commission, the underlying felony solicited. they do not give the defendants enough information to prepare their defenses intelligently as the defendants could have violated the constitutions and thus the statute in dozens, if not hundreds of distinct ways." joining us is when keys, former district attorney of dekalb county, georgia. also andrew wiseman, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division of the eastern division of new york, he is the co-author of the new best-selling book "the trump indictments, the historic charting documents with, terry." when, guide us through this. have you ever had a dismissal against you as the district attorney in georgia-based on this kind of technicality?

i hate using that phrase, technicality when it comes to the law since it is all technicality. it certainly wasn't, he the judge wasn't dismissing the charges as unimportant or not really alleging a crime but it was this technical thing that i would love to get your expert reading of. >> one of the most important things to remember is that code number one survived, the rico code, including the specific acts that were alleged to underlay the rico count, even as it relates to the six counts that the judge effectively dismissed. and, they are related to the solicitation of violating one of the elected officials oath of office, whether it was the secretary of state, members of the georgia legislature, or the governor. but, what this does, and what a

special demur says is the indictment didn't did not give the defendants enough detail to know how to prepare their defense. here, the key thing for this judge was it was not alleged with sufficient specificity what portions of the georgia constitution and the u.s. constitution might have been violated. again, every officer, whether it is a secretary of state, members of the legislature, and the governor all take an old and in that is, they have to uphold the georgia constitution and the u.s. constitution. the judge is basically saying that in order to establish the solicitation of violation of an oath of office, the da should have been more specific. this obviously is not good news for the da's office. unfortunately, it is something that happens to even the best prosecutors. the judge outlined two different ways them da could proceed, whether to appeal or

to reinstate to ensure these deficiencies. >> andrew, this does, it turns on the specifics of georgia law but it doesn't seem to change the general flushed of the prosecution. there seems to be an available option here to just go forward with what you have because, for example, the evidence about the phone call to brad raffensperger will still be presented as incriminating evidence in the case. >> it is really worth noting just how small a decision this is. it sounds like the judge dismissed cases but he has a footnote where he basically is like look, you could go forward, as you said and go forward without discount. you could appeal, or, he says, it is really simple to just go back and allege more because it is just more details.

he actually makes an allusion to federal law that says in the federal system, this would just be dealt with by giving a bill of particulars, meaning all you would do is the government would give more information to the defense. they wouldn't need to reinstate with those particulars and he says this is a really easy thing to do. so, he, in his own words in a footnote says this is a really small issue. and, so the da has three ways she can proceed. i would suspect and gwen is more of an expert at this but i would suspect i would want to go back and correct this and put in more details because that way you give a jury a little bit more in terms of options and it shouldn't slow the case down because these are the same allegations, as gwen has said, that are already in the case and are going to be going forward in the rico case. it is a small position in many ways. it just reads bigger than it seems. >> gwen, the decision everyone had been waiting for was this judges decision on whether district attorney fanni willis can remain on the case after the hearing on the question of

removing her from the case. are there any clues in the issuance of this decision that are an indicator of how the judge is leaning in the other decision? >> so, again, it is always difficult to prejudge what a judge may decide but i think there are several folks out there who see this as a sort of a bellwether that the judge is not going to disqualify the district attorney's office. he has outlined very specifically, as andrew indicated, some of the options she may have to go forward. so, there are several folks that may see this as a win some, lose some week whereas while the da may have gotten the decision she wanted on these motions, that hopefully she will still be able to retain the case overall and not be disqualified. >> gwen keyes and andrew wiseman, thank you for engaging

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tomorrow, donald trump's favorite judge, judge aileen

cannon, who was appointed by donald trump, will hear arguments from special prosecutor chuck smith team and donald trump's criminal defense lawyers over donald trump's attempts to have the classified documents case dismissed. the trump supporters filed their dismissal request last month based on the presidential records act and what they call the unconstitutional vagueness in the espionage act, saying the charges are built on "undoubtedly the most confusing and complex of all the federal espionage statutes." special prosecutor chuck smith responded in a series of filings last week, writing, "trumps claims rest on three fundamental errors, all of which reflect his view that, as a former president, the nation's laws and principles of the current ability that govern

every other citizen do not apply to him." today, donald trump's defense team filed their final reply to jack smith, arguing that the national archives referral of the case was, "politically motivated and driven by the biden administration as a political weapon against donald trump." donald trump is expected to attend the hearing, which will begin tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. in ft. pierce, florida. joining our discussion is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. she is a cohost of the podcast #sistersinlaw. andrew wiseman is still with us. joyce, what do you expect to hear tomorrow? >> i think we will hear exactly what you are talking about, lawrence, this notion that trump has of the imperial presidency that lasts not just while he is in office but afterwards. and, we would reach these

ridiculous results, for instance, that the president could take the nations classified secrets and purely through the magical device of saying that they are now his personal papers would be able to walk away from the white house with them without facing any criminal consequences. so, that is the caliber of argument we should be prepared for tomorrow. >> andrew, of course, the most important voice in the room will be judge aileen cannon. always on the edge of our seats wondering what she's going to say, what position she's going to take next. >> yes, so, i am going to be listening for reversible error. this is a judge who has shown that she is not terribly experienced at these issues and she has certainly made rulings that have gotten her into a heap of trouble in a circuit that joyce knows very well from having practiced there for many, many years.

i also am going to be listening for the irony that will be dripping from the fact that you are going to have the former president, who had said when he took office that he was going to be beefing up these laws because he took national security and these kinds of documents so seriously, that was in the wake of his having defeated hillary clinton and his lambasting her with having held onto these documents at her home and saying i'm going to beef these up. now, when the shoe is on the other foot, he will be saying these are too vague for me to actually be prosecuted under the same statutes that i was touting just a few years ago when i was president. >> joyce, will we get any indication tomorrow about the progress of the case? how quickly it might move forward from this point? >> yes, so, quickly is not what i'm expecting to hear tomorrow. judge aileen cannon is sitting on a stack of motions that she needs to rule on. i noticed interestingly that yesterday there was a docket

entry under seal that suggests she has ruled on at least some of the issues involving the use of classified information at trial. so, there is that piece. but, the big issue here, lawrence, what we are waiting on is to see whether she will change her trial date. it is currently set for may. no one believes she is going to trial in may. the real issue here is what sort of real estate she wants to occupy on the calendars that will call for scheduling of the various criminal trials. >> andrew, the, how does the presidential immunity case for, the argument before the supreme court affect this case ? so much the conduct here is donald trump's conduct after he left the presidency. >> yes, absolutely. so, this, you know, i have analogized this, his argument on presidential immunity to a bank robber who is charged with robbing a bank with a gun

saying i can't be charged with that because i illegally possessed the gun. his argument is that i was immune and i could take the documents from the white house to mar-a-lago. that is not what is charged with. he's charged with retaining them and then obstructing justice at mar-a-lago. the real issue is the one that joyce has put her finger on, which is the lollygagging that is going on and that she's going to sit on these and eat up time and really never schedule this case for trial before the election, which i really do think is her goal, how to do that without actually committing reversible error. >> joyce, it is unusual to reheat pleadings like this in important cases where literally one side just doesn't make any sense at all. i mean the public should know that that is a very unusual

situation. >> you know, i think that that is right. i mean, andrew will tell you this too, there is no absolute right and wrong in these cases. that is why they end up in court. these issues are sophisticated, there are a lot of nuances, there are good arguments to be made on both sides. what is so striking, especially in these reply briefs the trump lawyers filed today is that there are not good arguments being made. they are really briefs based on lots of specious assumptions, things like just alleging that trump designated all of these classified materials as his personal records without reckoning with the fact that that really can't happen. you can't just say i am the president so i'm walking out of here with the nuclear codes. and this is such a really frightening level of argumentation.

but, as you point out, lawrence, the real issue is how will judge aileen cannon react? she has taken specious arguments in the past that trump made very seriously and it was only when they got to the 11th circuit she was told you know, you can't do this, you have to follow the law. >> andrew, what is the ability to appeal any decision the judge might make on dismissal? >> so, if she dismisses, that is something that the government can appeal and on immunity, as we have seen, that is not, she hasn't scheduled it yet but that is one that we've seen in the d.c. case can be used to appeal. however, a frivolous immunity argument is one that even if judge aileen cannon rules in favor of donald trump, if the court of appeals says, you know what, this is a frivolous argument, they do not have to stay the case. but, just to be clear, that takes time. and, you know, the clock is ticking. >> andrew wiseman, joyce vance, thank you both very much for joining our discussion. >> you are welcome. coming up, when joe biden beat donald trump in the 2020

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inside, too. people who understand the anxiety of what it's like going through a school shooter drill. unfortunately, biden has a bit of a youth voter problem. there are many young people on the ballot. not just the president. >> christine, ohio can sometimes be a lonely place for a democrat to be campaigning. what made you decide to run for the state house? >> yeah, thank you for having me. i'm running to represent the west side of columbus because i saw republicans try to take away voting rights and reproductive rights in ohio last year. this is out of touch with what ooans and people in my my community need. the majority of ohio state legislators don't look like my community or have the lived experiences of my community.

it is unrealistic to have them legislate in the best interest of ohio. i know what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck and with a disability. i want to lead and take concrete action at the state house. >> and i have just had this discussion with david about the need to focus on state legislatures, so much is happening there in gun safety issues and other issues that are crucial. and yet, the national media attention is always on washington elective office. the house of representatives in washington. the united states senate. what made you aim for the state senate in georgia? >> well what i saw was i really wanted to give back to my own community and what we often see is the way to make larger systemic change is actually nots to start at washington but to actually start in your own communities. doing the civic engagement needed to do that kind of work.

and for me, as david mentioned, i worked with the federal government on election security in 2020, working with states to make sure our elections were secure. when i saw, my current state senator was indicted with trump for being a fake elector i realized someone needed to step up and show that we are not e going to stand for that and we actually want folks who are going to be working on the issues that matter and not just overturning the will of the voters. >> christine, what do you think voters need to know about you? and what you bring, what you would bring to that office? >> absolutely. i think it goes back to the empathy and advocating for our most vulnerable neighbors. the primary election is on on tuesday. i don't take corporate pac money and rely on small dollar contributions. if anyone wants to learn more

about me and help out in sending me to the state house, you can do so at cockley for ohio.com. >> and what should voters in georgia know about you and what you would bring to the job? >> what voter should know is i'm from john's creek. it is where i was born and raised. i went to public schools here and i want to make sure everyone has the opportunities i did. i would be the first gen z member of the senate. first indian american rs legislator in georgia. i hope by playing this role, i'm able to bridge these communities together. i want to make sure that we are really bringing the energy and integrity and unity to make sure that folks from all stripes can really work together on the issues that matter for us. >> david, how many more ny candidates are you working with for state legislative office around the country? >> 30 across the country.

a big reason for that, we want to show that we can't support every candidate, but the ones we do, we want to support very heavily. we work on a day-to-day basis with the campaigns. with door knocking, call time. and we also financially support the campaigns as well. that is where a lot of young people need that support. the reason we do that more than anything, lawrence, is because i believe the greatest threat to american democracy is the hopelessness and apathy created people like donald trump. and my hope is when younger people look at candidates like christine or ashwin, they know that not all hope is lost. if anybody wants to support that, they can go to leaderswedeserve.com. >> thank you all very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. you. >> we'll be right back.

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