today, republican congressman ken buck of colorado announcing he's going to resign next week. it will further narrow the gop's razor thin majority. house republicans will only be able to lose two votes. assuming all democrats vote together. buck has been a thorn in the gop side for a while now, lamenting that the gop is too beholden to donald trump in general. >> i am not going to lie on behalf of my presidential candidate, on behalf of my party, and i'm very sad that others in my party have taken the position that as long as we get the white house, it doesn't really matter ought we say. >> now, it's unclear what buck's next move is, but today, he was slamming his fellow republicans. >> a lot of this is personal. that's the problem. instead of having decorum, instead of operating in a professional manner, this place has just evolving into this

bickering and nonsense. >> truer words never been said. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> it's about trying to pull the wool over the eyes of america. because the tyrants and dictators of the world are on the march today. so who wins with this ludicrous embarrassing spectacle? orban wins, putin wins, xi wins, the tyrants of the world win. if one more reason to celebrate donald trump and his cult followers. >> congressman jamie raskin speaking the truth as biden's special prosecutor robert hur testifies before a congressional committee with the latest republican attempt to smear the president comes up embarrassingly short. also, raphael warnock joins me as polls close in his state's presidential primary, and he has a warning about voter suppression ahead of the presidential election this fall.

plus, a new u.s. intelligence report suggests israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu could be on thin ice due to the war in gaza. today, i spoke with former prime minsterehud omare who says he agrees that it's hurting more thar it's helping. >> prime minister netanyahu is not acting in line with what i think is the basic strategic interest of the state of israel and i completely agree with president biden. >> but first, polls are closing right now in georgia's presidential primary. even though it is pretty obvious at this point who the nominees for each party will be, tonight is expected to be the night that president biden and donald trump both cross the deegate threshold to clinch the title of presumptive nominees. let's start with steve kornacki

at the big board where he lives. what are we looking for tonight? >> as we speak, joe biden is on the cusp of formally locking up the democratic nomination. he has 1,869 delegates. there are 1,968 needed to clinch a first ballot nomination. in other words, he needs 99 and the polls have just closed in georgia. of the three states right now voting on the democratic side, georgia closes at 7:00. we're waiting, any minute now, any second now potentially we're expecting the results to start coming in. obviously, with biden having really no opposition here, you assume and based on all the results we have seen in other primaries this will be an overwhelming and swift victory for joe biden. and if you see that with the early results that come in, those delegates could be allocated very quickly in georgia has 108 of them. it's very possible in the next few minutes as we start to get results from georgia, joe biden will quickly wrap up the 99 that he needs to clinch the nomination. again, you can just see that

would put him over 1968, that would make him officially, i mean, it will become truly official at the convention this summer, but he will have pledged delegates bound in their commitments to give him the first ballot nomination. we're waiting on georgia for the democrats. we're also waiting for on the republican side here, where donald trump is sitting at 1,089 delegates, 1215 the magic number on the republican side. trump, 126 short. he's not going to get it in georgia. there are only 59 delegates for the republicans at stake in georgia. mississippi will close at 8:00. there are 40 there. so trump will not get it in the early hours tonight, most likely it will be 11:00 eastern time, washington state, the polls will close then. there are 43 delegates at stake there. so likely in that 11:00 hour, donald trump will cross the threshold and you'll have both major party candidates reaching their delegate magic numbers, as i just check in with georgia again here.

reaching their delegate numbers tonight, locking in the delegates they need to win their party's nominations on the first ballot. by the way, we went back and did do a little research on this. if that is indeed what happens tonight before midnight, and i stress the term before midnight, it will actually set the stage mathematically for the longest general election campaign in modern american history. there would be 240 days from now until the election on november 5th. and both candidates would have clinched their party's nominations. the earliest that's happened before, there's actually a couple elections where it happened 239 days before the general election. so if it happens before midnight tonight, this will be a 240-day campaign from this point forward. people are prepping for a trump/biden race a lot longer, but in terms of both of them locking down those numbers, that could come, if it comes before midnight, it will be the longest general election campaign ever

mathematically, at least by that metric. again, the polls have closed in georgia. we just expect this map to begin lighting up. i know georgia can be a little slow in the early going. we'll see, because any results that come in here, if they're what we expect, it could be very quick in terms of biden being declared the winner and getting the delegates and becoming the democratic nominee by numbers. >> steve, this is why i love you. you anticipate my every question. that's literally what i was going to ask you. would this be the earliest that we have locked in. it's unusual, because essentially, you have sort of a dueling incumbent race. a sitting president running against a former president, and it's very early. you anticipated me, so anticipate this as well, my friend. if it comes in, if you got a call, wave your hands in the air somehow through the magic of tv we'll see you and come back. >> oh, joy, we just got our first report here. this is from floyd county.

it's 66 votes. sometimes this precipitates when you see the first one, sometimes you get a couple more right away. so i pause here for a few seconds to see if anything lights up. nothing immediately here, but we're starting to get it. look, it's 100%. 66 votes. but biden getting every one of them. probably will not take much from these counties for that pattern to be established and this to happen. yes, i will absolutely flag you as soon as we see that. >> really quickly before i let you go, steve, how quick of a counting state is georgia? >> yeah, if this were a competitive election tonight, it would take a while. we got a little more here, too. pulaski county, okay, now we have a third county coming in here. >> quick. >> now 93% for biden. 100% for biden. 98% for biden. so you're already seeing obviously there was no suspense,

he's going to win it. he's going to get that 95% plus, just the way the delegates work on the democratic side, tell you what they're looking for here, the number that's biden's enemy here from the delegate standpoint is 15%. if any of the other candidates on the ballot are getting 15%, they can start collecting delegates. obviously, in these early returns, nobody is even remotely in the ballpark of 15%. that pattern would then establish biden and put him in position to win all of the delegates. again, 108 at stake here. he needs 99 of them. if that happens, he crosses the magic number. if you can't tell, i'm stretching a little bit for time because we did get those three. i'm waiting on more. if can be a little slow in georgia in the early going, but like i said, certainly based on these first -- now we have a few more here. again, 96, 95, 93, 100%. unanimous. and floyd county, 98% in

pulaski. and i think -- there it is, joy. the stretching has paid off. joe biden, our decision desk has projected will win georgia, and let's go back now to -- and there it is. he has now crossed with that, he gets the necessary delegates. we have just allocated him 104 of them. so he has now crossed the number 1,968 was needed. biden now at 1973. he's the presumptive nominee. those are pledged delegates. their commitments will be binding. joe biden has the necessary delegates to win the democratic nomination on the first ballot. to the extent there was any remaining suspense, it has been eliminated. joe biden the presumptive nominee. >> steve kornacki, even not in khakis, always effective and bringing us the info we need. thank you, my friend. joining me now is, as it turns out, democratic senator from georgia, raphael warnock.

your state, it is kind of poetic, is it not? it was georgia that delivered the two senate seats that gave democrats back the majority, yours being one of the two, senator ossoff being the other one. it was your state that so enraged donald trump that he committed acts which have now led him to felony charges in your state. it was your state where he said he just needed to find 13,000 odd votes and asked your secretary of state to do that for him, which he did not. what do you make of the eight-minute suspense for georgia delivering joe biden officially the nomination? or at least making him the presumptive nominee? >> good evening, joy. great to be with you, and although i'm in d.c., yeah, let me say welcome again to battleground georgia. the country should know by now that georgia shows up. and there is poetry in power that it was georgia that's

pushing him now over the finish line. he is our official nominee. we know that georgia literally saved the whole country in 2021, sending its first african american senator and its first jewish senator to the united states senate from georgia in one fell swoop. if that had not happened, let me give you one point. ketanji brown jackson would not be sitting on the supreme court. so georgia did this on january 5th, as you point out, we saw a violent insurrection pushed forward by this ex-president on january 6th. and then in a real sense, that's what this election is about. are you going to choose the america of january 5th that would send a kid who grew up in public housing, the first african american senator from georgia to the senate, and a jewish kid also mentored by john lewis, or are you going to give

in to the forces of resentment and revenge and retribution that got donald trump? i choose january 5th, i choose an america that embraces all of us. >> you mentioned, of course, yourself and senator ossoff. and ketanji brown jackson and all those changes. all of that happened despite your state being in some ways a marquee for voter suppression. your governor, brian kemp, who when he was secretary of state almost arrhythmatically attempted to remove voters from the polls and very ceremoniously signed a voter suppression law under a portrait of a plantation, and yet, you have had your state had very high voter registration. what do you make of the state of voting rights at this point, senator? because there is a john lewis voting rights act that does exist, that i understand is potentially going to be reintroduced in the senate. what's the state of voting

rights in your state and nationally? >> i reintroduced the john lewis voting rights advancement act just a few days ago. i testified regarding it in the senate judiciary hearing earlier today. after i won, after jon ossoff won, the state of georgia actually doubled down on its voter suppression tactics. and the question we have to ask ourselves is why and also how? we know why. they looked at the power of us standing together. the movement of a multiracial democracy emerging in our country, the future of our country, and they went after it as one court has said in another hearing with surgical precision. it's about voter suppression and making it difficult for us to do what we did. but how is it that they were able to do it? it's because in 2013, the

supreme court really gutted the voting rights act of 1965 that's been reauthorized time and time again on a bipartisan basis. we would not have sb-202 in georgia with this awful voter suppression provisions. we likely would not have it if we had that powerful tool of preclearance that used to stop these bad things from happening before they happened. that's why i reintroduced the john lewis voting rights advancement act a few days ago, and before that, we introduced the freedom to vote act. we are seeing and we saw in my election record turnout, but let's be very clear. just because people stood in long lines and endured the rain in order to vote, that doesn't mean there isn't voter suppression. the people just decided that they weren't going to have their voices silenced. the truth is, the brennan center recently released a study that

showed that sadly, the gap between white voter turnout and black voter turnout has actually widened. and so we need this tool. we need these tools. the used to be passed on a bipartisan basis. i'm urging my colleagues, democrats and republicans, to do what's right, protect our democracy, in a moment in which we're watching an insurrectionist ex-president trying to diminish it in every way. >> two quick questions. when it comes to the prosecution of donald trump in your state of georgia, do you anticipate that fani willis will still be the prosecutor by monday coming? because we know a decision is coming this week. >> i'm not going to speculate on that. we will see. that's a decision that will be made by a judge. i'll tell you this. there are those who seem to be trying to put their finger on the scale in georgia. i'm not going to add to that, politicize it. a judge will make a decision.

but he must make that decision based on the law. here's what i know. trump deserves a fair hearing before a jury of his peers. those are georgia voters. and given the seriousness of the charges, i hope to see him in court. >> let me ask you another question, because we know one of the ways that donald trump and republicans are hoping to demagogue their way back into control of the white house and to hold on to control of the senate, i mean, control of the house and gain control of the senate is to immigration issue. and they have been truly demagoguing an issue of a georgia young woman who was killed, a georgia young nursing student named laken riley. they have now passed a law called the laken riley act, all republican members and 37 democrats voted in the house to support the bill. the legislation requires that the detention of any migrants accused of burglary or theft. my understanding is that burglary and theft are already illegal. what does this law add to the current existing law?

is it just a messaging bill? does it do anything or change anything? i will note for our audience that overall crime is down this year across this country. and migrant crime is negligible. what does this law do? does it do anything? >> let me first of all just say that my heart goes out to this young woman's family, laken riley did not deserve what happened to her. to answer your question succinctly, this is smoke and mirrors by people who are not serious. we had a bipartisan piece of legislation in front of us. it had a lot of provisions, some provisions that some folks on my side didn't like, but the only way to get comprehensive immigration reform, the only way to address the current crisis on the border in divided government is on a bipartisan basis. and so rather than demagoguing this tragic death by this young woman, they ought to get serious. and let's pass some bipartisan

legislation and deal with the crisis at the border. >> i have to let you go, but i will note your secretary of state brad raffensperger has anticipated turnout for this primary is only 10%. very quickly, give us a word, senator, and also pastor, how do we get people to participate in these primaries rather than wait for the general and then complain about the choices that they have on the general election ballot? >> well, the choice between us couldn't be more stark. between joe biden and donald trump. and literally, the future of the democracy itself is at stake. i often say that a vote is a kind of prayer for the world we desire for ourselves and for our children and our prayers are stronger when we pray together. let's show up and pray with our lips and with our legs, with our hearts, our hands, and our feet. the momentum is at joe biden's back. we'll keep pushing until november. >> i will note that joe biden is reaching the threshold to become the presumptive nominee before

donald trump so he's already beaten donald trump tonight in one way. senator warnock of the great state of georgia, thank you very much. >> great to be with you. >> thank you. up next, turns out the whole republican special counsel narrative that president biden has memory issues is a total lie. who would have thunk it? or an unbearable itch. this painful blistering rash could also disrupt your work and time with family. shingles could also lead to long—term, debilitating nerve pain that can last for months or even years. if you're over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. (♪♪) and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. (♪♪) don't wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today.

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embarrassing example of the constant clown show antics of one of the supposed political parties in the country. the house republicans held a hearing with former special counsel robert hurst on his investigation of president biden's handling of classified documents. the republicans' primary goal was to create sound bites to run on right wing media where they aim to portray president biden as simultaneously a fragile invert bray who can barely tie his shoes and a devious criminal. >> he had 8 million reasons to break the rules. took classified information and shared it with the guy who was writing the book. that's why he did it. he knew the rules but he broke it for $8 million in a book advance. >> all i have oo do when i'm caught taking home classified materials is say i'm sorry, but i'm getting old and my memory is not so great. >> biden and trump should have been treated equally.

they weren't. that's the double standard. >> well, however as they usually do, republicans failed. they couldn't sustain the lie because it doesn't make any sense. and when all was said and done, the fact that biden was never charged came down to one thing. >> we did not however identify evidence that rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. because the evidence fell short of that standard, i declined to recommend criminal charges against mr. biden. >> let's not forget that a major part of this hearing was republicans hoping to keep alive mr. hur's description of mr. biden in his report as a sympathetic well meaning elderly man with a poor memory and diminished faculties. while having nothing to do with the documents, hur made the claim in his report that during his five-hour interview, biden was unable to remember key dates including when his son beau died of cancer. you better believe the right wing ran with that claim, as further proof that biden is too old to be commander in chief.

yeah, except we now have the transcript of the interview right here that shows it was a lie. even when hur was called out on it today, he doubled down. >> i want to give you a chance since the transcript is out to correct the record on an important point. a very sadly, your report on page 208 says that mr. biden couldn't come up with the date, the year of his son beau biden's death, when in fact in the transcript, it shows you asked him the month, and you know what he said, mr. hur? he said oh, god, may 30th. would you like to correct the record? his memory was pretty firm on the month and day. >> i don't believe that's correct with respect to the transcript. >> well, we have the transcript too. here it is right here on page 82 and 83. it seems that it was biden who brought up his son's death on his own, when discussing where he kept papers related to what he was working on after leaving

office. and then biden says the following. okay, remember, in this timeframe, my son is either been deployed or is dying, and so it was, and by the way, there were still a lot of people at the time when i got out of the senate that were encouraging me to run in this period. except the president. now, i'm not, and it's a mean thing to say, he just thought hillary had a better shot of winning the presidency than i did. and so i hadn't at this point. even though i hadn't walked away from the idea i may run for office again. if i ran again, i would be running for president. what was happening though, what month did beau die? oh, god, may 30th. cotton, 2015. unidentified male speaker, 2015. biden, was it 2015 he had died? unidentified male speaker, it was may of 2015. bides, it was 2015. that hardly sounds like a man of diminished faculties. it sounds like a conversation. in fact, when it came to biden's

memory, hur complimented him during the interview, even though that never came up in the report. >> you said to president biden, you have appeared to have a photoographic understanding and recall of the house. did you say that to president biden? >> those words do appear on page 47 of the transcript. >> photographic, is that right? >> that word does appear on page 47 of the transcript. >> never appeared in your report, though. is that correct? the word photographic. >> it does not appear in my report. >> funny how that happened. that's not to say, of course, that biden never makes a gaffe when he's speaking. we know that he does. that is nothing new. and in fact, democrats pointed out during the hearing that if republicans were so concerned about a leading candidate's memory, they might want to look to their own party candidate. the hypocrisy doesn't stop

there. congressman jim jordan, a man who broke the law by defying a congressional subpoena, feigned outrage about the mishandling of documents. >> he produced a 345-page report, but it boils down to a few key facts. joe biden kept classified information. joe biden failed to properly secure classified information, and he shared classified information with people he wasn't supposed to. joe biden broke the law. >> hey, jim. if you think it's a crime for biden to have had these classified documents, some of which were actually personal diaries he kept at his home, why don't you think it's a crime for donald trump to have classified documents. some classified at the highest level including on our nuclear programs, stashed in one of his bathrooms at mar-a-lago. and unlike in biden's case, there is more than enough evidence against trump that

rises to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. adding to the mountain of evidence is brian butler, who cnn is identifying as trump employee 5 in the special counsel's indictment. amongst the events and conversations butler claims to have told investigators about is how he unknowingly helped trump's co-defendant walt nauta move boxes that held classified materials, as well as overhearing australian billionaire repeat classified information after meeting with trump. >> he finishes his meeting with the former president, gets in the car. and his chief of staff says, how did the meeting go? pratt without saying just says he told me and it would be, you know, u.s. military classified information of what he told him about russian submarines and u.s. submarines. and that's really all i remember hearing, and i went, what? i'm thinking this. i'm in the car, like, did i just hear that?

>> now, as a reminder, when that news broke last year about trump's alleged disclosure of classified information to the australian billionaire, trump denied it, calling it fake news that he shared such information with the, quote, red-haired weirdo from australia. and as you would expect, even with this latest corroboration from this former mar-a-lago employee, the republicans remain silent on trump's alleged crimes. joining me is congresswoman madeleine dean, who as you saw, participated in today's hearing as a member of the house judiciary committee. congresswoman, i have to go back and focus in on the what looks like a lie, that president biden could not remember the thing he talks about all the time, which is the tragedy of his son's death. talk about that just for a moment and how that felt in the room to have him really not want to admit that he made that up. >> i have to tell you, when i read the report initially when it was released and we read the report and then reporting on the report, remember, the report starts with this one sentence.

we conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. that really could have been the summation of the report. but he goes on to say that many times. but we said initially, it appeared to me gratuitous that he would throw in this information or his own reading of the president's memory. i'm not sure his expertise in that. i found it particularly irksome and indecent that he would quiz the president on the death of his son, beau biden, from brain cancer. are you kidding me? a veteran. a public servant. so when the transcript hit today, we took a look to say did biden really not know, and of course, you read it from page 82. my god. may the 30th. so it was so gratuitous, and when they wrote, if you take a look at special counsel hur's report, it's on page 208 that he criticizes his memory, couldn't remember this, this, and this. couldn't remember the year of beau's death. when they were writing that and

finalizing it, wouldn't you think somebody in the room would have said, wait a second, do you remember what he said early on in the transcript, my god, may 30th. i said what a searing -- i'm a parent myself, where have not suffered such a horrible loss, but what a searing memory. of course, he remembered his son's death. >> absolutely. i just wrote a book. you get back and forth to the transcripts when you're trying to write based on transcripts. he could have looked. i want to play a back and forth you had with mr. hur, and this was about what he said about donald trump. take a listen. >> unlike the evidence involving mr. biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of mr. trump if proven would present serious aggravating facts. >> keep going. congresswoman, i'm happy to have you read the words. >> it's your report so it's actually more fitting you read those. >> most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, mr. trump allegedly did the opposite.

>> voila, because the core of the republicans' argument today, particularly jim jordan, was that donald trump and joe biden, president biden and donald trump are being treated differently. clearly not. >> tremendous contrast, and mr. hur laid out the contrast, that's why i asked him to read it. >> he was reading his own words. >> he didn't want me to do that. he would have preferred i did it. he didn't want to use those damning words. the contrast could not be clearer. we had mr. biden who said come search my house, my office. if anything is there, take it. please. i had no knowledge that i had any of these classified materials. and from the indictment at mar-a-lago, just the mar-a-lago indictment on these documents, you remember the circus that was going on? the criminality that was going on. moving the documents, hiding the documents, lying to his own attorney, obstructing the fbi, obstructing justice. when he was under subpoena, he's asking employees could you please delete surveillance

tapes. he's under subpoena at that moment. so the differences could not be more stark. and that's why i wanted to say, number one, you found there is no criminality here, there will be no charging. why you were going into mr. biden's memory, i have no idea. and i think you saw some of my members on the democratic side had some very interesting evidence of mr. trump's failed memory. >> i wish we had the clip of it. you all played some of his inability to remember who his previous wife was, he doesn't seem to always know who the current president is. and in depositions he's saying i don't know, i don't know, and they don't have a problem with it. the last thing i'm going to point out, there's a piece in "the new york times" that points out something i think is true. i can't imagine republicans would ever hire a democrat to investigate a candidate of their own. they would be more likely to hire a wartime consigliere, as mr. trump did. is this a case where democrats

always seem to play by the rules and republicans play in the gutter? because i cannot imagine any on the other side republicans allowing a democratic seemingly operative to be the special counsel. >> well, i hope we remain above the fray. i hope we remain, that we believe in the rule of law, that we believe in the independence of the department of justice. >> should the attorney general have done this investigation himself and not farmed it out to the special counsel? >> i wish he had, to be honest. he was trying so hard to make sure that it didn't look like there was any undue influence or flavor on any party. and so i get that, and democrats maybe are guilty of that, but we better not let that line go because we see where it's taking mr. trump, and the people that he is dealing with. they don't mind breaking the rules. they don't mind ignoring the rule of law and thinking they are above it. >> let me very quickly before we let you go ask, donald trump has

said his first act would be the pardon the january 6th insurrectionists. your thoughts. >> oh, well, i was there on january 6th. as you know. so many of us were. but america was there on january 6th. democracy was there on january 6th. and it's very precious. it's sickening to me. he's also called them hostages. i'm wearing this chain for the hostages who are remaining in gaza. we have serious problems in this country. we certainly don't want to re-elect the most corrupt, indecent president. >> congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you so much. and coming up, something fishy seems to be going on at boeing. does it to have to do with the dereulation republicans love so much? ulation republicans love s much

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protects workers right. they want a free run of the country, no taxes or regulations. just an economic wild wild west to hoard extreme weather. the downsides, of course, is that it doesn't always work out. since lax regulation is how you wind up with a situation like boeing. the justice department has opened a criminal probe into boeing after the blowout of a panel midflight on a 737 max plane in january. and a scathing faa audit found that boeing failed to comply with its own quality control procedures. adding to their troubles, on monday, a boeing plane from south american airline dropped in a flight from sydney to auckland, new zealand, injuring at least 50 passengers can crew members before pilots were able to regain control. meanwhile, in south carolina, police are investigating the death of a former boeing employee turned whistleblower. 62-year-old john barnett was found dead friday from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot

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. a collision course over gaza could be imminent with president biden and israeli prime minister netanyahu, laying out contradictory red lines about the war. at the heart of this tension is whether a two-state solution between the israelis and palestinians is even possible. with the current israeli government in power. benjamin netanyahu may represent the leader most opposed to a palestinian state. but not all israeli prime ministers were. in fact, one of the most famous proponents of a two-state solution was ehud olem who in 2008 met with palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas can came close to outlining a shared vision of piece between their two nations.

it was the closest those two sides had ever come. joining me now is ehud olmert. thank you. i appreciate the time. i want to start with that. you became prime minister or you were prime minister at the time that hamas took power in gaza. you were the mayor of jerusalem during a very turbulent time in the 1990s when there was lots of terrorism, lots of conflict between israelis and palestinians. and yet, you have emerged from all of that as someone who believes in a two-state solution. why do you think that it can happen and do you think it will happen? >> i believe that there may not be

>> there can be no other solution. israel has to separate from the palestinians. the palestinians ought to have their own sovereign state and exercise their right for a sovereign nation. we cannot continue the occupation and their freedom of speech and political rights, voting rights, it's impossible. we have to find a way to work

it out with the assistance of the international community. because there cannot be any other solution because i firmly believe it's against the fundamental state of israel to continue the occupation. for that day >> to that very point, i want to say with president biden had to say to my colleague this weekend. i hope you can hear this. >> he's hurting israel more than helping israel by making the rest of the world. it's contrary to everything israel stands for. i want to see a cease-fire.>> benjamin netanyahu reacted and said his criticism was unwarranted. but president biden added we

cannot have 30,000 more palestinians dead and he believes that that now to is hurting israel. >> you know i am in -- inside of israel and outside israel as far as i'm concerned, anytime he's not supporting what i think is the only possible option. i always say the peace between us and the palestinians is dependent -- i proposed a two state solution and

comprehensive peace agreement and they never said yes to it. at this time prime minister netanyahu is not acting in line with what i think is a basic strategic interest of israel and i completely agree with president biden. >> there is an intelligence brief for the president and the administration. it is a global intelligence assessment and it says that his hold office might be in jeopardy suggesting that israel will fail to achieve their aims in gaza in the work of completely eliminating hamas. again, usurped as prime minister during a time when hamas took power. do you believe that his goal of eliminating hamas is realistic, and what you make of the fact that he's backed by hyper

religious and very extreme set of religious zealots that keep him in power. >> the goals that that yahoo has proposed are impossible to achieve. we are not going to eliminate hamas. with destroyed most of them. most of their weapons and rockets. i think at this stage we have to agree to a cease-fire. i'm

completely aware of the terrible consequences to the palestinians. is largely a result that hamas started the war and mass could thousands of israelis. now what we have to do is agree to a cease-fire and bring back the israeli hostages that are still held by hamas, and we need to have an international intervention force that would take over gaza for a period of time until the palestinians are ready to step in and take it over. we are not going to completely eliminate hamas. we have done a great deal. >> let me ask you one final

question. what do you think would materially change if donald trump becomes the next president of the united states as opposed to joe biden? >> i don't think he will have different policy except that he would be a lot less patient with the prime minister. i heard some statements made by trump already which were very hostile toward netanyahu and i think -- i must say i admire the patient's by president biden and his support for the state of israel and i think the only difference will be that trump will be more aggressive against netanyahu then joe biden is and

i admire his patients and his dedication and support for the real interest of the state of israel.>> i admire your persistent belief in peace. and in finding a just solution for both the israelis and palestinians. i admire you. think you for taking the time to talk with me today.>> thank you very much. >> we will be right back.

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