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senator casey gets the last word. the 11th hour starts now. tonight, the 2024 ballot. president biden and donald trump could win nominations as soon as tomorrow while the former president ramps up his rhetoric. the supreme court case you haven't heard about that could threaten charges against trump. sharpening messaging, the campaign pivot during a contrast to his competitor as the 11th hour gets underway.
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we are 239 days from the election and we could be one day from donald trump and joe biden, locking up enough delegates to win the nomination. delegates are up for grabs from both parties from georgia, mississippi and washington state. republicans will also caucus in hawaii. over the weekend he ranted about his apocalypse vision of the country attacking migrants and mocking joe biden and his stutter. we have a closer look at both candidates. >> reporter: president biden ramping up his reelection campaign attacking donald trump in new hampshire. >> he said cuts to social security and medicare on the table. i am never going to allow that. >> reporter: hitting him after he responded to a report of suggesting something needed to be done. >> there is a lot you can do in
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terms of entitlement and cutting and theft and bad management. >> he was not talking about cutting benefits but cutting waste. republicans have no plans to cut social security. the president to bailing out his budget in second term priorities. the plan would boost spending to $7.3 trillion. while raising taxes on wealthy corporations. he calls for restoring the full child tax credit and proposes national paid leave. >> it is basic fairness and decency. >> it is to describe the killer of the georgia nursing student, lincoln riley. the suspect was a venezuelan migrant who crossed the border illegally.
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>> an innocent young woman that was killed by an illegal. >> he regret that word q >> reporter: mr. trump met with laken riley's family. >> he never would've been under the trump policy. >> on friday, trump hosted victor or bonnet mar-a-lago. after the meeting, he said if trump was elected, he would not give ukraine a penny in the war against russia. that would end the war. he also called trump a man of peace. >> he was at my place in florida. i have respect for him. he said we will solve the problems of the world.
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russia was afraid in china was afraid. we had no problems whatsoever under trump. >> he is the far right european leader that has kept close ties with russia throughout the war. for that let's get smarter. she co-authored the book the divider. trump in the white house. sam stein joins us. a senior political analyst matthew dowd. a former strategist and founder of country over party. your first thought? shifting into general election mode. this is donald trump's chance to expand his space. his rhetoric is only getting darker. doesn't it seem like the wrong thing to be doing? >> it is's playbook.
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he believes it was running with regard to his base and his base alone. he governed for four years. he governed as the president of red america and saw himself not as the president of the country but very much as the president only for those that supported him. that is the campaign we are seeing right now. there are so many echoes of the days he was entering national politics. the ranting and demagoguery about immigrants. the dark apocalyptic vision. that was back in 2017. what is old is new again. >> it was five days ago that we
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were talking about nikki haley voters and how donald trump or joe biden can go for them. i am thinking about all of those here. they are running from everything he has said. >> can he win? yes. he can. i would put the odds at 50-50. the country, pretty much all of them know who he is and what he says. and the type of person he is. i think it is incumbent upon joe biden to set that frame of what that presidency would look like. he has already told us this. what it will look like in the course of it. i would say all of the anti- trump republicans, it is a myth
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that they represent what the party has become. donald trump in every poll gets 90% plus of voters. he got 94% of voters in 2000. he does better among republicans than mitt romney did her john mccain dinner george w. bush. he's going to have his base which is probably 42% of the country. that is why he figured out, he has to run a campaign that says, this is who donald trump is and how your life will be affected in the second term. even after going after the stutter, maybe he would've made that argument before that he nailed the state of the union. it is something he has overcome.
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>> donald trump doesn't ever change direction. he is who he is. he won in 2016 making fun of people with disabilities. anyone that thinks they can manage him to say or do anything, he is an airline pilot that doesn't change the flight path, matter if there is a storm or it is clear skies are a blizzard. he does what he is going to do, regardless of what anyone else will tell him is the outcome. >> it has been -- ever since. tonight donald trump said one of his first acts in office would be the releasing of the january 6 defendants. he had the chance to pardon all of them when he was president
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and chose not to. how does that serve him now. >> i don't know if he is operating from a strategic mindset. i think he is guttural and doing what is in his interest. today they put out that report and the congressional inquiry. i am guessing trump saw that and was inclined to send out this post. that is sort of his approach. the same with going after joe biden. it can serve him well. people view authenticity. frankly, i would say it hinders him in the long run. most normal voters are going to say, why would we want to pardon people? is it right to
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make fun of the stutter. he could expand that coalition and theory beyond that 44%. he could expand more but chooses not to. >> victor or bonnet is one of vladimir putin's only ally is. donald trump welcomed him into his home this weekend. he then bragged about it. i know they don't like to hear that joe biden wants to tax the rich but are they okay with one of the homeboys laughing it up all weekend? >> one of the most striking things that makes him different, that is his affinity with world dictators and strongmen. and bad guys. or bond has become a celebrated figure of the far right as well as the european far right over
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the last few years. trump praised him in remarkable terms for an aspiring president of the united states. he said he is a noncontroversial figure because he doesn't -- any disagreement with his views. donald trump has a love affair with kim jong un. he has an admiration for vladimir putin. and for peeing in china. it is one of the most striking and notable differences between trump and any other president we've ever had. it is not a surprise that he would make that. during that 2020 campaign, this is who donald trump is. it is what he wants to take america to. he has all the instincts of that natural authoritarian.
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>> it was pointed out today that because of trumps let russia win policy, that is becoming the republican policy. what does it say that our country stands on the russia/ukraine war seems to be on the ballot in november? >> not just that, republicans are negotiating a border deal up until donald trump said don't do it. then suddenly that was no longer the policy. even right now, the bill to make the company that owns tiktok divest from the chinese government is suddenly up in the air because trump did a 180. this is what happens often when they become the defector nominee. in trump's case it is remarkable because of how much he pulls the party in his direction. we have this back-and-forth,
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trump is a typical. he has always been a tried to present himself as someone that defends entitlement programs. most would have said, we want to reform the programs. sometimes it is weird ways and sometimes authoritarian. it has a huge impact. >> in a new book, it several senior former advisers say he is -- dictator. he even said that hitler quote. hitler did good things and he told my colleague about the former chief of staff reacted to him saying that. >> he had to correct trumps imagined history. trump in saying that hitler did some good things, he said he rebuilt the economy. kelly would say, he rebuilt the economy to go to war with the
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rest of europe, including your own country. then he said generals were loyal , unlike my generals. kelly had to correct him about to say, actually in fact, hitler generals tried to assassinate him. >> how is this not another red flashing light for the party? we are not giving any more money to ukraine. russia is not going to stop. >> why are so many people, seemingly okay with this. just a few days ago, mitch mcconnell gave endorsement. >> unfortunately, there is a large percentage of population of the united states that believes in the end justifies the means. if they have a strong man or a strong woman on doing with the bidding was and attacking who they don't like, then they are
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fine throwing democracy away. i think that movement is more concerning than donald trump himself. that movement exists with or without donald trump that they are willing to accept. i would say for any americans listening, it's guaranteed for the existence, matter how far it exists, they fooled themselves. we had a retraction in the number of democracies in the world. instead of an expansion. less democracies than 10 years ago. democracy is a gift, it is not a given. may be one of the benefits of donald trump. it is a reminder
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that we have to do things that preserve the institution of democracy and our freedoms to preserve the constitutional democracy that we have. there our countries in our lifetimes that were democracies, germany being one that became dictatorships. chili being another. they were functional healthy democracies that because people supported the strongmen because they wanted him to do certain things, they threw the democracies away. that is my biggest fear. that we have to work out there and work at it today. we have gotten lazy. donald trump has taken advantage of that. >> it is a gift not a guarantee. with a sentiment like that, we have to let matthew and the segment. >> when we come back, the sleeping giant of a case in the
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supreme court that could have a big impact on the prosecution of trump. the former lawyer of donald trump is here. later, the general election matchup is on. president biden's message today, selling that $7 trillion budget. we are going to break down what is in it and why it matters. ( ♪ ♪ )
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the supreme court will hear a case that could have a major impact in the case against donald trump. i'm not talking about the immunity case, this is different. it technically does not involve donald trump. one professor recently called it the sleeping giant, threatening the prosecution. the court will decide if prosecutors stretch the law too far by calling the right obstruction of the official proceeding. it has been used to charge more than 300 people involved in the capitol attack, including donald trump. joining me now, former white house counsel, ty cobb. he asked the supreme court to keep all charges in place. i am glad you are here. we need an explanation.
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what risk does this case pose to jack smith's prosecution of donald trump? isn't certifying an election in an official proceeding? >> i don't think there is any question about whether or not that has been met. what is an issue, the question of under title 18, is that statute an independent prohibition against obstructing, influencing or impeding proceedings or is it tied to the clause that precedes it. the petitioner, mr. fisher, who has sympathetic facts on his side to make this case that got the attention of the district court judge, he was only in the building for a short time. he apologized and left.
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the government color that conduct with while he was in there. there is nothing quite actionable. >> you said the facts were terrible? is delay the only tactic he has at this point? >> it is currently working. at the end of the day, even if the supreme court reverses and -- more of a difficult standard of that which we are advocating. i don't think the violence of this case is as significant evidence others seem to suggest.
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there still are the fake collectors. it would fit into the petitioner's definition. everybody agrees the petitioner's attempt to limit the statute. it is way overstated. the court is either likely to refine that income down in the middle or reverse intended back to the district court for findings consistent with whatever roadblocks the supreme court imposes. the primary impact would be in the event of a reversal. it would prompt the motion to dismiss. >> his gripe has been we have a two tiered system.
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if donald trump was not the former president, is there any way he could have these delays? >> not at all. the issue that he's gotten the most mileage from is the immunity issue. that actually, if you go to 30,000 feet, it is moving faster than all but half a dozen cases in history. and that is the deadline for certifying the election. this is moving pretty quickly. keep in mind, the case would have been heard a year ago. fact that committee held up official findings for several months. and then didn't get the
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transcripts or witness segments to the justice department despite of the request. there are a lot of pieces. and the courts are moving quickly though not as quickly as some would like. >> cnn interviewed someone on his trump employee 5. his name is brian butler. >> it is not a witchhunt. is one of the reasons for doing this. >> what does that mean. it is huge news. is it also a problem? i know the team will attack the sky every day, yesterday and tomorrow.
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>> that is the last thing he wants. he has a strong stance against obtaining juries. in my own mind i have questions about what his lawyer was thinking. they could prove almost everything he talked about without him. and assisting in the obstruction activities.
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>> you said that if donald trump doesn't win, he is going to jail. you are confident these are actually going to happen? >> i am confident they will happen at some point. if he is not the president elect, before they go to trial. >> we learned recently that two associates was going back to jail and peter navarro is. given how well you know donald trump, does that scare him? to see immediately disassociate himself with them. >> i think he is a different
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person than peter navarro. i think he was a loyalist. he sort of let everybody out to hang. in terms of that carnage that he left behind. i think trump does have angst about that. he doesn't view himself as vulnerable. his narcissism gives him a powerful attitude. it will come as a great surprise when he changes into that orange jumpsuit. that will be a shocker for him. >> when shamelessness is a superpower.
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i have so much more to ask. you will have to come back another time. >> thank you for having me. when we come back, president biden's new campaign message selling eight $7 trillion budget. what is in it and what it says about his plans for a second term when the 11th hour continues. r continues. what! yeah! maybe something cowgirly! oh cute! let me see! [fussing] [♪ happy birthday ♪] [burst] [scream] [gasp] [guest chatter] there's people in the cake. [guest gasp] it's a people cake! don't panic. gift easy with gift mode, new on etsy.
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donald trump said cuts to
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social security and medicare are on the table again. when asked he said there is a lot you can do in terms of cutting. a tremendous amount of ink you can cut. i will never allow that to happen. my predecessor failed the most basic duty. the duty to care. i believe that is unforgivable. america is coming back. president biden debuted his new campaign message that he unveiled a massive $7.3 trillion budget. meant a whole lot more. it is all part of his aggressive strategy, one that will make it tough to call him sleepy joe. joined me now, cohost of how to win in 2024 podcast and communications director for president obama.
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what do you make of the new campaign message. >> is two wildly unpopular ideas. you have paid a lot of attention to the fact that there was a gap between president biden and donald trump. c prioritized has been what they do to make up ground. what did they talk about today. it is capping procedures at $35, he wants to do that for everyone.
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what they believe about voters and even people that like donald trump, when push comes to shove, he is in it for himself. another thing they featured is deficit. that he wants to raise on the wealthiest. that will impart go to help lower that deficit. it is the contrast with trump in healthcare cause. >> did he think the campaign didn't have enough unpopular policies after overturning roe opposing the bill and blocking aid to ukraine. thing he is trying to walk it
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back. >> this is a fascinating dynamic. >> people think of him as a candidate helping him defend the country against donald trump. defending against autocracy and against manipulating institutions for his own benefit in defending against cuts to social security and medicare and cuts to the alliance of freedom with the west. i do think that is first and foremost in the mind of many voters. even soft republican voters. this document is a statement of principle saying i'm going to protect the country from donald trump. here is my agenda. the agenda i talked to on the night of the state of the union. meant to expand that child tax
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credit and universal pre-k. all of these things. if i have the opportunity to return to the white house, i would propose. the reality, none of this will have him this year, even though it is his annual proposal. none of this will happen. >> a quick reminder well donald trump is trying to walk back what he said, it was last month, one of his advisors called the aarp, one of the most evil left leaning organizations in america. democrats are going to remember that. i have to ask, what is going on. already seeing firings of staffers. they are real.
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video to funnel money to the enterprises. that is going to happen. they will star the candidates that need resources. the rnc is set up exclusively for donald trump. we will eventually see fraud exposed. the reality is probably pretty good. >> the transportation secretary dusted off his ninja skills and went on this weekend, praising the president. >> there has been talk for years and no action. president biden has taken action. he took action to let medicare negotiate prices over the objection of big pharma and congressional republicans. he took action to make sure
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that we have a stronger economy which is why more jobs have been created on his watch than any president in american history. he took action to pass that bill where the former president promised it every year and failed to get it done. we can talk about language, words were action. >> how important is it for the president to have the likes of pete, gavin newsom, andy bashir out there as the avengers form? >> it is how the democrats won in 2020 and how they will in 2024. you have talented messengers. these governors are great. also importantly, they are battle ground governors that came off of tough wins in 2022. they are fresh from the battlefield and have good operations.
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science and director of the institute for public knowledge at nyu and the author of the book 2020, one city, seven people and the year everything changed. four years ago today. what do you think was the most important thing that we should learn. the fact that some of the people don't agree on a basic set of facts. >> the most important thing is it told us to get through a crisis, you need solidarity and cohesion. you have to be able to do things together and be able to trust each other and trust leaders. in america, we did the opposite on all of those things. we became more divided and more distrustful. the country was dysfunctional. a lot of that is about who we were becoming but a huge amount is about the leadership that year. >> we know about long covid and the physical aspect but talk about the emotional.
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covid has also become a social disease when you think about the loneliness and disconnect. how many of us are still holed up at home. >> i profile seven people. we get deep into the stories. the through line, each one of them, felt abandoned. they felt left on their own. they felt like they were all these difficult problems and they needed a helping hand and guidance. they didn't know if they would get a stimulus worth their children were going to be given relief money. when it came, it then disappeared. it was a level of insecurity that was shot through the country. we are still feeling that. the pandemic is officially over but there is something fundamentally off about life. a lot of that has to do with the fact that we were traumatized and we swept it away like it didn't happen.
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it is time to remember what we went through for personal reasons and for collective reasons and for political reasons also. >> how do we solve for that. a lot of those things, people monetize those divisions. a created businesses. >> the tech industry wants us in front of our screens. they did fantastically well. they are discouraging us from going back into real life where we can convene in an officer in school. it is unsatisfying to have this digital existence and not face to face. it is something we have to change. >> in many ways it divided us but there are also extraordinary stories of people coming together. pre-covid, people didn't even know their neighbors names and then we grew to depend on one another to feed one another in house one another. there are extraordinary elements. >> it is a big part of the story. we also saw an incredible
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it's not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. 20 days in mariupol. the oscar-winner is a first- person account of the early days of the russian invasion of ukraine. he would much rather have no oscar and no war. here is part of the powerful
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and extraordinary acceptance speech. >> this is the first oscar in ukrainian history. >> in the first director who say i wish i had never made the film. they wish to be able to exchange this to russia never attacking your crane and never occupying the cities. i wish for them to release all
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the hostages and all the soldiers who are protecting their lands and the civilians that are now in jail. i cannot change the history. i cannot change the past. you are some of the most talented people in the world. we can make sure the history and the truth will prevail. the people that have given their lives may never be forgotten. cinema forms memories and memories form history. thank you all and thanks to ukraine. e.

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