two members of congress will join me. had special counsel testimony this week. for now, stay right where you are because there is much more news coming up on msnbc.

march 25th, why there are two critical moments to watch on that day. donald trump legal battles. the tale of two senators. katie on the talk shows today on the heels of thursday's widely parodied performance. taking a parity, who played on snl last night? yes, you are going to recognize her. a very good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters in new york. today marks the first day of the first full week of the unofficial campaign for the white house with president biden and former president trump going on the attack in dueling rallies. a snapshot of what the next eight months may look like. >> celebrated the con tradition of our economy and our communities. donald trump calls them the

poisoning of america. no one should ever doubt where my heart is. on like donald trump. >> when i say he was an illegal alien, he was an illegal immigrant. he was an illegal migrant and he should not have been in our country and biden should be apologizing for apologizing to this killer. >> meanwhile, president biden that exclusive interview with jonathan touching upon a number of burning issues including this. >> i am down here talking to these folks who are starting business and getting endorsed by minority businesses. he is to the green in north georgia. yesterday, he spends time in his mansion or resort with. he talks about his great respect for the president of north korea. he praises putin. it is a different world. >> in a minute, were going to have more of that exclusive

interview. will join me to talk about all of it in the 3 p.m. hour. also new today, and abc news poll showing candidates, both of them with low favorability ratings. trump getting 29% and biden getting 33% for the president allies pushing back on some perceived challenges in recent polling. of the polling has been all over the place but i am confident that at the end of the day, in november, the overwhelming majority of african-americans, black voters throughout the country will support president biden. >> meanwhile, as a gazan humanitarian situation worsens, talk to the administration about the issue. >> what we are seeing in gaza today is literally an unprecedented crisis. 30,000 people, two thirds of them are women and children who have already been killed. we are looking at the possibility of hundreds of thousands of children starving to death. the united states of america

cannot be complicit in this mass slaughter of children. >> we are going to bring you a report on the gaza situation in just a few minutes. we are going to begin with white house correspondent aaron gilchrest who traveled with the president and has the latest from atlanta. aaron? >> those dueling rallies in georgia turned into a real slugfest with president biden and president trump taking the stage at the same time about 70 miles apart. president biden firing up his base, celebrating a handful of new endorsement in taking off talking points about what he is out of office. as the president continues his campaign this week, visiting battleground states, wisconsin, michigan, his team is launching a new $30 million added by geared to communities of color in addressing one of the biggest concerns about him. his age. >> look, i am not a young guy. that is no secret. here is the deal. i understand how to get things done for the american people.

i let the con the country through the covid crisis. today, we have the strongest economy in the world. i passed a law that lowers prescription prices. >> the trump campaign wasting no time responding with an out of its own showing a montage of president biden's recent stumbles to drive home the point that he is too old. mr. trumm, only four years younger than mr. biden, spent much of his rally in georgia hitting his usual talking points as well, including the weaponization of government in attacking his 2024 rival. already a contentious campaign on both sides and election day is still 240 days away. back to you. >> all right, thank you so much for that. president biden is making headlines after sitting down for an exclusive interview with my colleague jonathan cape are. let's go to allie raffa who is in delaware. what were some of the biggest revelations you heard?

>> yeah, alex, no shortage of news made during this interview between president biden and our colleague jonathan. the president echoing a much sharper tone that we have seen him adopt recently when talking about the israel hamas war and the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza. telling jonathan not doing more to protect innocent, civilian lives is hurting more than helping israel. he also said the plan ground invasion of gaza were more than 1 million palestinians are sheltering would be a redline for him but he vowed to continue supporting israel saying he would never leave israel. he also said he's still hopeful for a cease-fire deal between israel and hamas to be able to be achieved before ramadan, which we know start very soon, alex. we have seen the israel hamas war over the last five months become a political vulnerability for the president.

the president talking about that as he prepares to kick his general election campaign, really, into high gear. listen to what he told. >> the only time i get out of the white house. where i get to look people in the eyes, shake their hands, listen to their arguments, listen to the pain, see the pain in their face and what they need to have relieved. >> jonathan asking the president about michigan's mary last month where more than 100,000 people voted uncommitted in a protest of the president handling of the israel hamas war, sparking a lot of concerns that this would be a more widespread effort across the country. the president saying he understands why people are upset and he's doing everything he can to stop it. michigan is just one of the states that the president and the biden team is going to be fanning out across this week and later this month as they

really kick their efforts into high gear, trying to build off of that momentum from their highly praised state of the union speech on thursday night. worth noting, the biden campaign telling nbc today that $10 million in the first 24 hours following the state of the union address saying that that is their largest 24 hour hall since launching their campaign last april, alex. >> they were very notable about that. okay, let's bring in don calloway. democratic strategist, host of the podcast and founder of the national voter protection action fund. republicans. both are msnbc political analysts. welcome, sunday family. this is going to be a quick one. i brought you on a little bit early because i want to get your reaction to the president exclusive interview with our colleague and friend jonathan. what was the most satisfying part of that conversation for you? >> that he did it. he went out and had a one-on-

one interview. it was to the right network at the right time as he is solidifying his base and he needs to do a lot more of it. >> okay, no need noted. what were you hoping to hear from the president but did not? >> i really heard everything i wanted to hear but i want to point out that i was very excited to hear him talk about a cease-fire. he talked about tuesday solution. this is further than any president, democratic or republican, has ever gone on recognizing palestinian humanity. i was very proud to hear him drive that point home. >> okay. to you, david, that biden spoke about a number of things yesterday but he's picking headlines for the comments about israel. trumm's meeting with the hungarian prime minister. what is the biggest thing that struck out from all of this?

>> an active war situation are going to get headlines but i think the contrast that is emerging between the candidate for re-election in donald trump came through the state of the union and it came through in the interview. empathetic and a sober leader who is trying to grow an economy for all people and protect democracies for all people. compared to donald trump who is trying to re-christianize the nation through an anti- immigration white nationalist eat those. that contrast is clear and exactly where joe biden wants to be on his messaging for the american people. >> okay. let me get that quickly based on this point you just made to susan and don. ladies first, you know me. do you agree with the contrast point that dave just made? >> absolutely. and he lays it out. the president lays it out. the difference between him and his predecessor. frankly, i am on foreign policy, it is such a change in

tone but i think it makes a huge difference to those of us who follow it. >> last word to you? >> i just want to point out that listen, we cannot judge joe biden based on the local buzzwords of language. we know we are supposed to be using the power of undocumented. joe biden is an 80-year-old man. the guy was illegal. we are not supposed to be saying that. let's not let the perfect the good. we know that i should not of been in this country but we also cannot hold 80-year-old president who is doing the right thing and has his heart in the right place to what all the proper, liberal language is supposed to be at any given moment because he is doing the right things in terms of his policy and his actions. >> when you here with a megaphone from the other side, illegal, illegal, illegal. that is what you hear all the time. it could be an echo chamber as well. i completely agree with you and your perspective on that. when that is that all the time, it might ricochet in your mind, come out your mouth, and he regretted it. i would like to make the point

that we at, we do not use that terminology. do you have it. you guys might get a little short coffee break but stay with me. you're going to come back a little bit later this hour and were going to talk about this headline. democrats see polls as overestimating trumps strength. i am going to ask if you guys agree. were going to find out later on this hour. we are following breaking news out of haiti where the u.s. embassy has evacuated nonessential personnel. the u.s. military conducted an overnight mission to get staff members out and deploy additional marines to help protect that embassy. conditionals in the capital of port-au-prince are getting worse. the government has come under siege from gangs which are demanding resignation of the prime minister ariel henry. those gangs have attacked government buildings, police stations, prisons, and even shut down the airport. were going to have a report on this later on in the show for you. it is not pretty for the former trump white house told me about donald trump legal problems. a burning question answered. you are going to see who played

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out more now on a dire prediction for donald trump if he loses the 2024 election. it comes from former trump white house counsel who worked directly with trump on the mueller investigation. here is part of what he told me yesterday about why trump may be having difficulty navigating his legal challenges. >> the facts are terrible. the misconduct is reprehensible. the subject of 91 felony counts. four separate indictments in multiple civil cases. he has lost almost half $1 billion. it's not like this is a smooth gliding ship. difficult to run the table and he does have the benefit of

time. he will be able to dismiss those that they are still active once the election is over if he wins but only if he wins. if he loses, he is going to jail. >> joining me as joyce vance, university of alabama law professor. cohost of the podcast sisters- in-law. political investigations reporter with the guardian. welcome to you both. joyce, do you agree? is the volume overwhelming to manage? he loses the election, does not necessarily mean donald trump is going to jail? >> i think that is a flat out assessment of how strong the evidence against trump is. i try to never presume how juries will view individual cases but there is overwhelming evidence against the former president in these cases. i think the more interesting assessment ty cobb makes that

if donald trump wins re- election, there will be no justice. he will have the ability to put an end to any of these cases even if that means directing his new attorney general to concede the case on appeal which would mean there would be no justice. >> what you hear from your sources? any sense but trump is not on top of managing all these cases on his calendar. this trump or anyone on this team worry about the possibility of a prison sentence? >> i think the worry is that he has to win. if he does not win, he cannot make the cases go away. even as recently as last week when i was talking about the delays and how the legal strategies might factor into things, the one overriding caveat. i think that is starting to become. let's get to big headlines in

the last few days. could mean no election trial before 2024 vote. trump buoyed by supreme court's recent moves. judge cannon scheduled an unexcited hearing for this coming thursday on two of trumps schedule motions to dismiss the documents. >> there is a cascading series of delays that is even more complicated than when the trial settings are. the trial settings alone, as hugo pointed out, if judge cannon gives into this august request, would seem to block the case in d.c. from going to trial before the election. once it is back from its appeal and part of the u.s. supreme court. the reality is that judge cannon in florida is also taking up the series of motions that if they were decided against trump or frankly, even

if they were decided in his favor, would result in the 11th circuit. those cases could end up in the supreme court and that could mean that all these cases are shut out and preempted before the election except for the case goes to trial with the men happen manhattan. >> you wrote that trump was buoyed by the supreme court scheduling his immunity appeal. he has raised it every day since. tell us why he finds the position helpful for his campaign. >> the strategy for trump, as we have discussed repeatedly, has been to delay. there is a lot of anxiety among trumps lawyers that the supreme court might not take up the immunity chain at all. that might've been a problem because the end of the road for trumps delay tactics. if the supreme court decided,

the case would be remanded back to the district court and can proceed with the case. the supreme court, this is not getting kicked in april for oral argument and maybe a decision on the merit a month or so later. and because trump knows he has three months left to prep for his defense, you have to remember that the case has been frozen since december because of the appeal, trump knows that he can string this out further and further. this is what we were getting to in the piece with respect to the trial date. if we moved to august, if we don't get a decision on what were going to get a trial in the d.c. case until august, has already taken up that part of the calendar with documents case. effectively, it boxes out the d.c. trial completely. because trump cannot be in two courtrooms at the same time, it's not like could both schedule their trials at the same time.

trumps preferences obviously classify documents case because has been so. that is how is finding out. >> i am curious what you think about the trump -related supreme court decision so far. is it fair to conclude that the court is giving trump and assist? at least with the timing. you just heard hugo play that out. >> i think it is a fair assessment. the timing, any delay by any to trumps benefit. the decision by the supreme court to delay this further does benefit trump. i think it is important to say that the court's decision is not an illegitimate one. it may not be the decision i thought was best. i thought there was an ample reason for the court to return this case and affirm the court of appeal. it is an issue of first impression. it is a significant issue and one that is now arising in more than one court. he will be in front of judge

cannon as well. the supreme court can decide that issue for once and for all. the question is whether they're going to do it quickly enough for americans to hear the evidence against the formal president before the election. >> referenced this choice. the one trial we know starts on march 25th. the hush money case. on the one considered the most serious. if no other trial goes before the election, one of the consequences of the hush money trial? is there any world where the hushed money trial ends with trump facing jail time? >> absolutely. these are only charges. he will not be looking at a 20 year sentence, it would be a shorter sentence if convicted. something that will happen once the evidence in this case is presented and there is public reporting on it, we will stop viewing this as a hush money case and view it as an election interference case.

this case is about trumps efforts to keep information out of the hands of americans after the access hollywood tape was released when his attitudes about women in sexual assault were in question. there is reporting that's just the campaign was desperate for this to not come to life. that really is election interference and that is how this case will be presented. >> a very safe point you make. thank you to both of you. it's good to see you. >> in just a moment, short to return this week whether senator kenny katie burt still stands a chance after the bottled estate of the union address. if you knew it was going to happen, it was just a matter of home. it turns out it was scarlett johansson playing senator britt on snl last night. thank you in advance. here is a highlight. >> you know, my husband wesley and i spent a lot of time in this kitchen worrying.

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contacting pilots, passengers on board flight 1282 that was forced to make an emergency landing. fortunately, no one was hurt. >> the justice department provided no comment to nbc news. the focus of the investigation is at the center on whether boeing has complied with the previous settlement following a federal investigation into the airline companies get crashes in 2018 and 19 that killed 346 people. the company providing no comment to nbc news. >> they are going to look pretty seriously. is this a one off or systemic? >> alaska airlines saying in a statement that it's normal for the doj to be conducting an investigation. we are fully cooperating and do not believe we are a target of the investigation. news of this criminal investigation comes for failing to turn in records.

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breaking news, a new reaction to the escalating humanitarian crisis in gaza during an exclusive interview with msnbc. president biden saying israeli prime minister disregard for innocent lives in gaza is

hurting israel more than helping. the bowing of the u.s. will never abandon israel as an ally. some democratic lawmakers are urging the u.s. to halt further military support for israel if it continues to prevent humanitarian aid from entering gaza. >> i'm never going to leave israel. the defense of israel is radical. there is no redline i want to cut off all weapons of the iron dome print to protect them. the red lines that if he cannot have 37 30,000 more palestinians. >> it is one thing to talk to but here is the bottom line. year after year, we have provided aid to the government of israel. >> what you can say is stop the slaughter, allow the massive amount of humanitarian aid that we need to come in to feed the

children. please, please, please. >> this comes as a u.s. army ship makes its way to the eastern mediterranean to build a floating peer on the coast and help feed a palestinian population on the brink. joining me now is democratic congressman adam smith. he is the ranking member on the armed services committee and a frequent guest. we are glad to have you back. let's begin with this u.s. shift that is on its way to mediterranean to start what is expecting to be about a 60 day project to build. the present emphasized there will be no s on the ground. are you concerned about sending 1000 troops into this volatile region? couldn't the president be more forceful on israel getting humanitarian land crossings open instead? >> i think you have to do both. this is an all of the above strategy that's being deployed. president biden is absolutely right. humanitarian situation inside gaza is catastrophic. more needs to be done to get aid in. the effort to build a peer to

get aid in that way through the mediterranean sea are not exclusive. the president and many others continue to urge israel to open up more corridors in the gaza and crucially, within gaza to make sure that there are systems set up to deliver that aid and efficient and effective way. you have to do a lot. another piece of this. it is part of a larger strategy to get more aid in the gaza. >> i spoke with sarah jacobs yesterday on the show who cosigned a letter with other democrats warning the president that an israeli attack on rocco could violate his own policy. countries receiving weapons must follow u.s. and international law. president biden told jonathan yesterday that an invasion of law would be a redline but he would not go so far as cutting off all weapons to israel. you did not find that letter but do you have similar concerns?

>> it's two pieces. several actually. one big thing that is not really talked about is the threat that israel faces from iran, lebanon, and syria. a big part of the reason we provide weapons to israel is to deter those threats. if we were to cut off weapons from israel lately, it would give a much bigger incentive for hezbollah to launch an attack from lebanon and iran to do a similar thing through syria. that is part of the equation, part of what we are doing. as far as profit is concerned, it really depends on what israel does and how they do it. i think urging caution, certainly at this moment when you have people from gaza. that is where they went to flee and attack would be a humanitarian.

which brings us back to the humanitarian a discussion. also the need to give people in my office someplace to go. and attack right now would be an enormous mistake. >> okay. let's move to the stalled aid to ukraine. senator lindsey graham said on meet the press this morning that donald trump is going to be meeting with speaker johnson in turning you grade into what he calls a waivable no interest loan. doesn't make any sense whatsoever. we have negotiated aid package. came out of the senate with 77 votes. it was the product of about six months of negotiations. a whole bunch of ideas that didn't work until finally got one that received an incredibly strong bipartisan support. if

they want to support ukraine, a simple choice. give us a vote on the senate bill. everything else is simply putting ukraine on the path to a slow death. any stalling technique or coming up with another option or trying to do this or do that is simply not helping. seriously the house can pass anything other than the bill. even if they did, it certainly wouldn't go anywhere in the senate. it is a clear choice. it was a vote on the deal that was negotiated in a bipartisan way in the house and i think that is how you help ukraine and that is what we need to do. donald trump does not want to help ukraine. the fact that mike johnson is meeting with donald trump to discuss how to help ukraine is not a helpful or positive side. >> the pope weighed in on ukraine situation saying ukraine should have the courage of a white flag. negotiating into the word of russia. his comments were made before

turkey to host the summit. short of the ukraine funding going through, how much longer can this war last? do you see either side agreeing to a peace deal? >> i think the pope should've been more balanced in what he said. he should've said the same thing to put in. is he willing to negotiate? he is continuing to attack all across ukraine. getting him to the negotiating table is the key which brings me back to the aid package. unless is convinced that he cannot take over all of ukraine, he will not stop. this aid package is a pack convincing them of that. to give ukraine the military help that we need to stop russia from pushing and ukraine the force russia in the peace table. if you continue to put on the burden on ukraine, it gives prudent pass and he is able to keep prosecuting the war that

he started. that is the thing that everyone should understand. you want this war to stop? i do too. putin is the one prosecuting it. he is the one person who could stop. let's put the pressure in the pressure ought to be. >> hosting victor ammann at mar- a-lago on friday. hungry is a nato ally. a reason to be concerned. >> there was an article in the new yorker entitled make america hungry again with the hungarian government. what has done is given a blueprint for how to crush democracy and move towards strongman government. it starts with silencing the media, which he has definitely done in hungry.

it is what putin did in russia. the first thing he did was turn the media into a 100% propaganda arm of the state. the fact that the nominee for the republicans or the presumed nominee is meeting someone to discuss having better suppressed democracy and concentrate strongman rule should be deeply troubling to all of us. look, democracy is different in different places. hungary has not gone full just yet but you could see in our bond approach, the seeds of how you get to that. they are comparing notes, if you will. >> i think for the conversation as always. adam smith of washington, we will see you soon. >> in 2016, many underestimated donald trump. this time around is it the opposite? i will unpack this headline with the panel, next. next.

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new today, some shrugging off poles leading in all but guaranteed residential rematch. according to the hill, democrats the surveys overestimate trumps strength because recent primaries show underperforming when compared to polling numbers. this morning, former white house chief of staff weighing in on president biden's chances of being re-elected. >> i think joe biden is doing a good job as president. he has a lot of good things. in the end, i believe president

biden will prevail. in any candidate in american history, a strong candidate with a strong result in 2020. will do it again in 2024. >> let's bring back my sunday family. we have done callaway and david jolly. please tell me something that is happened this election cycle. you agree that the polling data is not painting the clearest picture of the general election? >> i do agree with that. the reason why is because to win at any level, democrats have to come together a loosely organized. to pull together the constituency that comes together with democrats on a statewide or national basis you typically don't see the results of organizing that operation until about 30 days. sometimes about two weeks out. as we all know on these penalty states, can break very hard at the end. you don't see the results until the very end and that doesn't

even take into account the october or november surprise that we see every four years. we typically don't see the work of democratic operatives to the very end and have no way of reflecting that as early as now. it is very concerning that donald trump, as bad as he is and is criminal as he is, continues to get as many votes but that is not a democratic problem. that is a problem with the soul of the republican primary electorate. we will not see the hard work of democrats until much, much closer to the election. >> susan, the polls have certainly underestimated trump. we all remember that in 2016. could the current polling in some kind of an overcorrection? >> it could be but it's really important to remember that these are public polls. we are talking about a poll that is taking march 10th. so many other things happen including campaigns actually doing what they do. a private poll will tell candidates what they need to do to fix the problems that they

may be having. they are telling the candidates who. really, the problem i see with the public pulling right now is two things. it in the media all the time and it creates a narrative. another thing public polling does is at certain times, helps fund raising. public and private polling need to be separating and it cannot tell you anything about tomorrow. is it a mistake for democrats to dismiss the poll numbers at this stage of the game or do you agree with those who question whether they should hold any weight at all? >> i think things could be true at the same time. first and foremost in politics, run like they are 10 points behind. certainly knows that. joe biden knows that. don't take anything for granted. there is also some truth in the back there are some numbers not currently showing in the polls and i have appointed two voters.

one is the dobbs voter, the post-dobbs voter asked her the elimination of roe v. wade. those continued to show up in not really, they show up on election day. a lot of those are white. the second voter is the nikki haley voter. we did see some states push forward, those are not real numbers. know how to unpack that very quickly but about 10% of those voters have probably eligible by the voters. in that case, the heavy voter, that is a real part of the coalition. all about the college not the national polls. >> this is been a very public facing the for the president. and last four days, president biden has made two speeches and two. delivered the state of the

union address and set them for that exclusive benefit with jonathan. what you make of that pivot into general election campaigning? is still seems official now. >> it's very difficult to get excited about a campaign a year or a year and a half out which is what we have to do is professionals in the space. joe biden declaring that game on. i am here and ready to do this. you are seeing him get more vigorously into talking about the stuff of what he has done and you will see that in advertising. particularly about giving the government the right to negotiate medicare prices for drugs and drying the contrast between the republicans have done that. started with the state of the union. making good jokes and the punchy lines about his age and what that really translate to in terms of experience. donald trump is the same age but i really have been invigorated by seeing and invigorated president biden over the course of the past

week. he is older so we have to think about how long can he keep this up and being strategic about putting himself in the right places over the course of the next 5-6 months as we oppose the election. we hope you can sustain the type of energy but for this week, he really did have a fantastic. >> but there is this. while out on the campaign trail, the president is facing pre-growing opposition for support of israel. but take a look at what happened in this rally of atlanta yesterday. here is what it is. >> there is a lot of palestinians who have been unfairly victimized. >> president biden making plans to get more aid to those in need. he has repeatedly created this. in the end, is there anything the president can say or do to satisfy critics? besides calling for a lasting cease-fire. >> that is about it. we can expect joe biden to fix

the middle east peace problem in six months. it has been going on for six decades. i think that is a lot to ask. we are all of a sudden going to have it. we know hamas is committed to destroying israel. if you call a cease-fire, they will break it because they have said they will do destroy israel. that being said, he does have to be very aware of the issue of how palestinians are being treated and the famine that is going on there and the deaths that are building up. if can't risk on his shoulders, it is so much more complex than that. this is going to be a problem in the campaign. >> immigration is also been a very big topic of discussion for the president this week in every single speech. he has tried to shift the blame on the republicans for killing that bipartisan. how sustainable is this strategy? is it connecting with voters? >> i think it will. the more democrats and joe

biden put resources towards that message, the truth is republicans gave joe biden a gift on the issue that was really underwater on when it comes to border security. he and senate republicans largely negotiated this package and donald trump shut it down. that is a good message. he will remain upside down on border security but if you can bring it within the margins, that is okay. i think the bear that he got to wrestle with on the immigration issue is a phobia coming out of republican candidates. whether it is donald trump were , the message is the same. republicans want you to be scared of black and brown people. they want you to be scared of immigrants. that is a moral issue that joe biden as president has to show leadership on. even if it's not popular with many voters on the right. >> quickly, i have to ask you about her. the controversial republican state of the union speech several weeks ago. you told me that you think it could be a front runner for

donald trump. has your opinion changed? >> she was a front runner. i think this audition was a disaster for her and there is very little. who are camera ready and is just not ready for prime time. >> like i said until thursday night, a top front runner. >> things could change. this is politics. okay, kids. see you again soon. new perspective on the race against time. prosecutors face as they go after donald trump. that is in our next hour. hour. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor about nurtec today. you know that thing your family does? someone made it a thing, back in the day. but where did it come from? ancestry can help you find out. lucky you, it's on sale now.

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