the human aspect, the cost of what you are covering. just think about the folks you met -- we do not have a lot of time. what is you think -- what if those folks could speak to the president of the united states? what do you think they would ask? >> reporter: that is likely what i asked but i just said, what would you tell president biden? he said, they said, think about our situation. we also deserve a chance. when things they did say, and this is when the first times i heard it. perhaps the american dream is dead. is this worth it? is the suffering worth it. is the violence worth it and the pain worth it. that was one of the first times i've heard that from asylum seekers.

that does it for me. thank you so much for the privilege of your time. i hope to see you later tonight on nbc nightly news. stay where you are, the "the katie phang show" starts now . i am katie phang , live from telemundo studios in miami, florida here is the week that was. the u.s. supreme court today unanimously ruled that states cannot remove former president trump from their ballots. >> they call it super tuesday for a reason. racking up primary wins across the country from california to maine >> nikki haley said to drop out after winning one state on super tuesday. budget and is now up to donald

trump to earn the votes of those in our party and beyond it who did not support him. i hope he does not. >> in february, 2021 shortly after the attack on the capitol building, i said i would support former president trump if he were the nominee of the party and he obviously will be the nominee of our party. >> i will leave the senate at the bottom of this year. >> in the bottom of my heart, thank you for letting me represent the city and a limey into your homes every sunday. >> tonight, we can probably say the state of our union is strong and getting stronger. we are the united states of america. and there is nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we act together. clearly, bragging about overturning roe v. wade individuals have no clue about the power of women. they found out though when reproductive freedom was on the ballot and we won in 2022, 2023 and we will win again in 2012

for. -- 2024. that was one of president biden's fiery messages from the state of the union address thursday night putting republicans and americans on notice that he is ready, willing and able to lead a second term. ♪ we begin today's show with decision 2024 and dueling campaign events in the peach state. rush off is inspiring and passionate state of the union speech, president joe biden is hitting the trail down in georgia ahead of the states upcoming primary on tuesday. he will be touting major endorsements on the three largest political groups representing a.a.p.i., black and latino communities with the groups pledging a $30 million commitment to help mobilize communities of colors ahead of the november election.

meanwhile, trump is also in georgia reportedly planning a tailored and aggressive response to biden. at trump senior campaign adviser telling nbc news to expect intense attacks on biden and his state of the union speech. fun fact though, the last time donald trump was in georgia, he was booked into the fulton county jail for his felonious attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election in that state. joined me now as congressman alejandra frost who serves on house accountability committee. it is so good to have you on and to see you let's talk with the fact that today president biden on the ground in that state of georgia announcing the fact that he has these endorsements from political groups representing communities of color. how critical to these communities remain in helping by the across the finish line in november? >> incredibly critical. it is one thing to receive and make endorsement from an

organization. it is another thing to receive and make endorsement from three leading organizations that are saying, not only will we endorse the president, but $30 million is behind it ensuring we deny donald trump a second term and we reelect president biden biden. it shows number one what is the take in the election. and what is at stake in the election for a.a.p.i. unity and black community and people of color marginalized amenities across the country. many who will not survive another donald trump term. it is not hyperbole. i think this shows again, what the stakes are this november. >> i thought you were the perfect guest to play this part of president biden's latest campaign ad that just came out. he briefly touches on his age. >> look, i am not a young guy. that is no secret but here is the deal, i understand how to get things done for the american people.

congressman, biden leading in on his age as being a positive. do you think this messaging works for him, as he continues his outreach to younger voters? >> i think it is the right messaging to have. it is something i have been saying for a while ever since people to talk about his age in the media and across pulling a sarah. -- et cetera. voters want people of authenticity who are not rush aside an issue as it is not an issue. or status of that you want to talk about. resident leaning in and saying yeah, i am and michael got in that is okay. my ideas are new and when i am fighting for his new. if you look at former president trump, not only over the same age, but his ideas are so much older than the both of us because he wants to bring us back to a time that nobody wants to go back to. i think leaning in and acknowledging not, acknowledging that it is a concern for some people, but it should not be the top concern, is really important. at the end of the day, people in the voting booth are less

likely to think about age and are more likely to think about who will protect my right to choose. who will protect abortion? who will end gun violence? the choice is clear between former president trump and joe biden on who will do that. >> i want to stick with this for just a second. i read somewhere that young voters are saying, " we are giving him the answers to the test. " why, if we are sending clear messages to joe biden about what is important to us, why can't he do these things to make our job easier and his job easier? doesn't that over semper fi things by saying, if you do this president item, you will win our vote? such a it is a silver bullet with any voting base, especially young voters. continued action and continued work you are doing. there was a week last year we heard two amazing things from the administration. the first federal office of gun violence prevention and the american climate 2 and priorities of the young movement to end gun violence --

and the current crisis. hearing president biden uplift those in the speech was important. and talk about what we had to do next to end gun violence and take on climate change. it is disrespect to get people to assume mike is one thing someone can do. it is continued action, solidarity, listening and fighting with these groups that i think is really important . ethically is to not from the president on many different issues. subject to that point, you talked about climate control action done by the biden administration. student loan debt was a wood. one thing that you worked on with joe biden hand in hand with office of gun prevention violence, the first in the white house it is an important issue. reasonable, common sense gun control legislation. how important is it for all americans to make sure that in 2024 somebody like joe biden is back in the oval ? >> incredibly important. let's talk about the office for

the first time in our country's history we have a white house, a federal office of gun violence prevention. we have never had this. the first bill introduced and the president implemented it with the executive order my city of orlando, florida got $1.5 million because of advocacy of that office and my office to the bipartisan safer communities act to save lives. we are seeing gun violence in cities across the country is actually coming down a little bit. we have a lot of work to do. donald trump, if elected, he will get rid of the office on day one. if we want to see the office expand and we want to see things like civilian climate core expended, we know we have to do. i will say it again, if there is something that maybe i have amex discriminate with the president on, and i sent a letter on it, i will get a response from the administration. i get to make my voice heard and work with him on it. if i said nothing letter to president trump, he will wipe his afs with it. those are the two options we have.

>> always delivering the truth, maxwell alejandra frost. started to me now is adviser- senior adviser at the lincoln project. former director and president scholar at uva center for politics . tara, let's talk about what happened super tuesday this week. we saw further protest boats for biden support for israel and the war in gaza. 90% uncommitted in minnesota, 12% no preference in math carolina and 9% in massachusetts. ahead of the georgia primary on tuesday there is leave it blank campaign urging voters to smith blank ballots. i have a personal opinion on how foolhardy this is, but will these voters come back into the fold come november x >> i would hope so because they are only cutting their noses to spite their faces by staying home or voting third party in november.

president biden is making an honest effort. the administration is making an honest effort to help solve a competent problem. it is something that has been going on for a very long time. did they honestly think the alternative of president donald trump went out the cause more than joe biden? no, they wouldn't. i understand it is an important tool to everybody. the protest vote stuff, this time around, the potential consequences for that are two great. and it would hurt their ultimate goal. i would hope they will come back in november. they can do what they want now, but november is the boat that counts . >> we have to talk about senator katie britt from alabama. her rebuttal, i don't know what we will call it. speech, drama club edition or whatever we call it. the republican response live from her kitchen was not as well received as joe biden's state of the union speech. has been ridiculed as strange,

bizarre and even concerning. megyn kelly: it cringe how much of a fumble wasn't for republicans? such i actually think she was on par with the republican party today. it did not surprise me that the decision to put a young woman back in the kitchen as the backdrop for a rebuttal to the state of the union was their choice. of course. they are setting women back decades with the policies now. they were trying to be cute to do kitchen table issues, but it is so yesterday. that is like 10 years ago with making a presentation to put her anywhere else. women have been fighting to get out of the kitchen for decades. she was cringe and embarrassing . i do not know what drama club would accept or suffer me delete that christian nationalist broadcasting network . that is without odd- just anything about it was odd and strange. it gave me chills to think this is who the republican party thinks is great. not only that,

she was disingenuous with a lot of the things she said. my husband and i were watching it again together. he was listening to this hell skip the country she was describing and i has a white what country is she talking about ? what is she talking about? america is doing pretty well. for her to sit there and try to paint the picture was completely disingenuous. on top of the fact that she used a story about sex trafficking that took place 20 years ago in mexico by a woman who has had a career as an advocate against sex trafficking and testified in front of congress in 2015 about her story. this cannot happen under president joe biden , and happen under george w. bush. they are exploiting this issue because they know it has a certain resonance and there have been billiards on the border. we all acknowledge that. president joe biden, and brilliantly doing this putting republic on the spot during the state of the union, has

negotiated a bipartisan deal that is one of the toughest immigration deals in decades. when i worked on capitol hill back in the day, we would've loved a bill like this. a lot of things would've been solved. republicans do not want to solve it, they want to continue to exploit stories like that are stories about the tragedy that happened in georgia because i know it is a political winner for them and most people do not know the actual facts about the situation. it is joe biden trying to solve the issue and republicans who are not because former president trump doesn't want it solved. they would rather explain people for their own political gain. >> tara, i am glad that you fact checked the katie britt presentation to be false about the sex trafficking. it is making the rounds of social media. wanted to quickly ask of the little time we have left, about co-opting the system. the re-creation of a system that former president trump co-ops. will talk about the rnc, and the organization in a while his daughter-in-law laura trump has been elected on friday as a culture of the rnc.

is this not becoming a personal piggy bank for donald trump to ensure the graft continues to graft? such a guess. it has been up for quite some time. now it is official. they need to take the rnc name off of it and call it the trump national committee at this point. know that they have elected an recollection denier men and someone who is not qualified, as my colleague rick wilson says, run the hotdog stand at 7- eleven as a culture. -- cochair. the only claudication is that she is donald trump's daughter- in-law. she will be the face of the committee to raise money to pay for his legal bills. i don't give a what they tell you . the rnc will make sure donald trump gets elected and other candidates know, they are not in the past with the rnc was about helping to get the president elected of their party. but also, down ballot races. who is going to give money to

the rnc other than people who are pro-trump? their money will go to be for trump's campaign. it is embarrassing. it really is. go ahead, let them do it. if this is what the face of the party is now i say good. the more we see of the insanity and an seriousness of this party the more the american people will realize the binary choice between joe biden, who is an adult and saying and donald trump, who is insane, and narcissists that is dictator fetishes and wants it to the constitution. i think the american people will realize that is not the future of the america that we want. there are more of us than them, i hope. >> the republican nepotism committee. rnc. tara setmayer, good to see you later today, my colleague sits down with president joe

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don't wait, call and switch today! $91.63 million to stave off e. jean carroll's multimillion dollar judgment. this amount is posted as a bond as former president trump begins the process of appealing the verdict against him. that is the amount of just one of his bonds. remember, he had to post $5.6 million to appeal the first verdict against him. that amount he posted in cash himself. he did not get a bond surety for that one. e. jean carroll calling the bond in her second victory, " stupendous . " you can see the actual signature of trump on the bond agreement. we do not know how much trump put up for himself or the bond or what he used as collateral. let me be very clear folks, the

bond was posted by federal insurance company, a subsidiary of chubb insurance on the eve of execution of a judgment. follow the money, as they say. to me now is former federal prosecutor and senior writer for political. a lot to cover and not a lot of time. that start quickly with the latest bond issue. the federal insurance company posted that bond to ensure the e. jean carroll gets her money if trump loses his appeal. means federal insurance has to get its money from trump in some respects is the bigger number of $154 million judgment the new york attorney general office got he is him and his children and other businesses and the civil fraud trial. how hard is it to find a bond surety with an amount that high coming up and when the person in question has a long history of financial misconduct? such is not easy. he has been struggling to line up a surety on that one. is written to the court saying he cannot come up with a surety at that amount. i think he will have a slightly

easier time at this point because he was laboring under a condition by the judge in the civil fraud case that prevented him from going to any banks in new york, chartered or operating in new york. the condition got lifted by an appellate court in a genetically opens up his options in terms of which institutions he can deal with for these purposes. he is struggling. he has acknowledged in court papers you struggling to get the money. >> ankush khardori, let's move on to the mira lago documents. the judge will hold an evidentiary hearing next thursday to hear oral arguments over two motions to dismiss by trump legal. the first of the presidential records act. the second is on the theory that the maine statute used against trump is unconstitutionally vague as it applies to presidents. talk to us about we expect to hear in the hearing. >> trump's lawyers have been pushing versions of this argument for a while.

the first argument is essentially there is a civil statute, the presidential records act, that governs how presidents are supposed to retain doctrines while in office. they are arguing that essentially the statute displaces any criminal statute that may apply here. arguments like that are often made in criminal cases and their often rejected. the vagueness argument is even more of a slog. those arguments are essentially that the statute is too vague to be applied in a minute prosecutors want to apply here. that sort of argument is argued in kernel cases and often fails. i do not this particular judge will do those arguments. it appears to be the shape of the argument. >> i want to talk to about a piece he wrote for politico. it was very good and it talks about judge chuck and who has presidential community defense issue heard by the seven court of the united states. the reason it is relevant to the classified documents case is presidential immunity has been raised in the case as well. you talk about the fact that

the judge could force donald trump to trial even when the campaign is in full effect going into november. talk about why it is an available option for this judge. >> it may be unlikely. i am annoyed quite honestly by the commentary in this area. a lot of people treat it as a legal prohibition to holding the trial. there is no legal prohibition to her holding the trial because back to her and she gives trump the time she promised him the justice department policies do not prevent it from happening. prosecutors already confirmed that in the florida case recently. the only prohibition that may exist would be medical pressure and public pressure on judge chutkan to avoid holding a trial in the middle of presidential campaign season. that is not nothing to do with russia to the side. it is serious and significant set of issues confronting. she has options for how she may want to approach them. if she wants to hold the trial, i think she has ways to do it.

so you have to let you know. i will note as we were leaving, it is not just judge chutkan, there is the jury nullification and selection problem if the case goes to trial during an election two huge problems for jack smith. thank you ankush khardori for being here. i presented . >> i wish it. supreme letdown with the decision to keep trump the ballot for colorado. what it means for the future states rights to run their own elections. elections.

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the responsibility falls on congress to enforce section 3 of the amendment, not the state. my next guest makes the case in the atlantic that besides the lack of logic in that decision it was not a ruling based on the law, it was a ruling based on fear. he writes, " it didn't cast one word of doubt about the amply supported factual conclusion reached by the colorado court donald trump engaged in an insulation. justice trump today stands as an adjudicated sexual abuser, so too he remains an adjudicated insurrectionist. adding, " it is up to us , as voters, to make use of the signings come november. " georges niang me -- let me now is george conway, board president of the society for the rule of law institute. george, what is good news about this colorado decision that came from scotus? >> i don't think there really is any. it is hard for me to think of what the good news is. i will say this. i understand

how people feel about it. i felt the same way i would rather see donald trump beaten at the ballot box and i think he will be. rather than him being knocked up the ballot. the problem in this case is iraq is a provision enacted in the wake of the civil war that was designed to keep people who could not be faithful to their oath to support the constitution , to keep those people from holding any state or federal office. that includes the presidency of the united states. the court did not buy his principal argument that somehow the president was exempted from this rule that covers every other officeholder in the country. that said, i think they bought nicholson sickle -- peace in a sense i think all justices understood to be a backlash against the court. a backlash against the ruling. from my standpoint, it is a

backlash against the constitution and the explicit language that said, if there is a silver lining in it, it is not in the seven court's decision. it is in the fact that the colorado courts and me next victory is state and a court in illinois have made unrebutted findings that donald trump is an insurrectionist. i do not find any solace in the courts opinion refusing to apply the law. >> george, you and i were noodling the decision back and forth on how the decision came to pass from scotus. we talked about the metadata from justice sonia sotomayor's concurrence seems to begin as a dissent. talk quickly about the process by which this opinion was reached. it seems that one big google talk and everything adds to it. that is part of why you ended up with metadata being available for us to see that perhaps this

should have remained as dissent. >> it is like writing a document with a bunch of people . exactly as you said, google docs. they are trying to get- obviously, i do not know who is running the show. i appreciate -- assume it was chief justice roberts. they want is money to join the majority opinion as possible. you take suggestions from people. the justices will say, i do not like this language, could you change that? at the same time, the opinions can move around. different people may change their views over the course of time. at the what happened here as there was an majority opinion that explicitly said that congress, only by legislation can enforce the 14th amendment section 3. not just the states cannot do it, but that congress cannot even do it when it counts electoral votes on january 6th of each fourth year. what

happened was, that triggered and the metadata is consistent with this. it triggered of fiery partial dissent from justice sotomayor and a concurring opinion from justice ehret saying let's turn the tables are down. i think what happened was the opinion, as it is finally written, does not as physically say that congress cannot overturn or cannot make a finding of insurrection and refuse to accept electoral votes. the concurring opinion, which was originally dissent calls out the majority to something they do not actually really say. i think it got taken out of the opinion. i think some of the language in the dissents, they kept anyway because they know-i mean concurring opinion. they kept because they know what the real understanding among some of the justices was.

the opinion of justice coney barrett was not fitting because a lot of the harsh language was taken out. these opinions, bottom line, they were moving around until the very end. the reason they were moving around is frankly there was a quick, quick decision for the seven court. also, there was a lack of reasoning to any of the positions taken by on my justices because they were doing so in contemplation of the plain language of section 304 of the moment. spotted the irony does not escape a lot of us, seeing as how a lot of justices say they are strict constructionist, true adherence to the lineage of the text of and my commitment of the constitution or statute. we do not quite see that there. george conway, i you . -- i appreciate you.

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noting the percentage of respondents more positive america's outlook picked up to the highest it has been since the fall of 2021. the number is now at 39%. joined me now for more on set is a ceo and founder of you are rich bff media and the mas are of the amazing book, the winning money mindset that will change your life. let's start with the fact that there are is our polls that come out with these numbers that do not jive with actual facts. why do you think it is american, feeling so enthusiastic or optimist about the economy? >> post-covid there was a k -shaped economy. folks that felt economically optimist it got more autistic. and those struggling to get worse. i like to compare this to an acute pain. if on the serve can break your arm. her arm gets reset and things are better. things are certainly better than they were in 2021 right now

. however, we should be thinking about the economy as chronic, decades-long pain that will need more of a permanent resolution to see some improvement. i think people at home are thinking about this with the context of wage stagnation things like housing and education being higher than ever . and feeling like they are running on a treadmill and cannot get ahead. >> president biden mentioning he will lower consumer costs during the state of the union, you had to acknowledge it. you're running for oval office for a second time. do you think the efforts he proposed in the state of the union are aggressive enough to make an impact where americans will fill it in their pocketbooks? >> i feel split about this. there are certain efforts, things like getting rid of junk fees on ticket volume platforms which i find to be frivolous. if you are struggling economically, frankly, you are not buying concert tickets anyway and it does not really have an impact on your pocketbook. however, things like targeting

credit card late fees or should inflation, so that the groceries to go easier on your pocket and also the provisions that will allow homebuyers to have a credit when buying, as well as incentivizing home sellers to sell and move into the next home, so that there is more movement in the real estate market. i think that will certainly help the average american. >> part of the reason i wanted to have you or is there is a section in your new book about investing. you say investing, not saving, is how you get rich write that down. i am taking notes on this what is your immediate advice to people think investing would be to obligated for them, especially in an economy where we are feeling better and have more money, but is it the way to go? >> yes, with thousand percent. you cannot save your way to getting rich, you need to invest money can keep up with inflation and grow with you as the years go on. the easiest way to do this if you like

investing is way too intimidating, is to lean on technology, the same way we do everything else. you could get a roble adviser and all you have to do is fill out a quick quiz about him is when you have how much you make and when you would like to retire. what you're happily ever after looks like. it will calculate a privately diversified polio for you. >> what about the new generation? your book provides some of the best personal finance tips i have seen in a long time. what do you think about the fact a new generation is listening? i can tell you, i am not a part of that new generation. i am feeling like it makes sense for the group of young people that are trying to make sure they solidify their economic foundation now versus some of us waiting too late to do that. >> iowa state there is no such thing as too late. the next iteration needs to learn about finance differently than our parents. the rules of the game are so different. education costs have increased.

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i am hooked on a new book that details the civil rights movement through the lens of a love story of two civil rights icons, medgar evers became the first naacp field secretary in mississippi. and myrlie evers, who continued her husband's fights going on to chair the naacp . early in the book it reads, love had made myrlie put up with the fear and dread that came with the being the wife of a civil rights leader, who was continually on the list of the mississippi and hated by every recess in the state, who?

or not. and love would make myrlie pickers up up off the bloody pavement where he led -- he late dying and turn her skins admitted to determination have the killer for decades, until she got justice for her family. furnace that was near time -- "the new york times" best- selling author of "medgar and myrlie", joy-ann reid. a role reversal today. this book is amazing. and they had a chance to talk about it before on other platforms. i want to dig deeper than maybe some of the conversations you have had. i want to talk about why you had such an amazing emphasis in the book about the stock phrases that sometimes people do not see or hear. they do not understand how it defines their story. >> it is great to be on with you and it has been a joy. it is great to be on here i love the role reversal.

it is interesting. i did not necessarily want to write another history book the way history books normally are, if that make any sense. i love history and of the reading history books. in this case, i approached it the way i approached myrlie evers herself. we talked to her, it was such a benefit to us and we are lucky she is here, feisty, cute and 90 years young. when you talk to her, you do not get a dry history of the civil rights movement. you get a love story from her what you get from her is how much she loved this man and she was devoted to him. how devoted he was to her and his family. you get that angle of it when you speak to her. i thought the best way to tell her story is the way she tells it when you talk to her. and to give you, the audience, the reader got the chance to feel when you feel speaking to her about her story >> i picked up on the idea of having a love for your country.

a love for your state, that being mississippi for them, even when the state spits on you. even when it mistreats you a still believe in what it stands for. that seem to be the thread that went through all of the journey that was the life of medgar and myrlie . >> there are ever types of love. love that the lord has for them in the love we have for our spouse or loved one in children. there is also unrequited love, which is also a kind of love. you can love and be devoted to someone or something that does not love you back. it is a real thing that happens in the world. for a lot of black americans, who know nothing else, enslavement months the complete severing of the ties to africa. most americans do not know the history of the people going back to the tribes that came from on the continent. all they know is america. the united states is the only country that had chattel slavery . a different kind of slavery that africans had heard of before. the idea of having someone

enslaved, it means her children were enslaved. and their children's children. essentially, your reading into people the notion that slavery is your permanent condition. he releases people into the world at all they know is this country. and all they know about this country is what they are told by white people that the constitution says all men are created equal. it has a glorious version of democracy and that is what they know. when they are unleashed into freedom, they know that and they want that. they love the ideas in the constitution they are told so glorious and about equality and humanity and goodness. fairly good, we will have that. please, we will take some did and they are told, nope, that is not for you. what you then have his minute go off to war based on the love and come back and say now i really wanted. now i have led for and been willing to die for what you told me america is. now, i do not just want it,

insist on it. you have men like medgar who came back from world war ii without insistence and that right, inherent right. they serve just like white men had served. they begin a very different level of a fight for equal humanity. that is what medgar evers did . they are wearing -- married to people with myrlie evers raised with inherent dignity. even a person with no money or indoor plumbing growing up, she was given this dignity. she played the piano and was told you can play a chronically hall -- kerr-mcgee hall. you have dignified people, who even though the country did not love them back, they loved enough to try to make it what it says it is. >> something that stuck with me joy was how myrlie is the paragon of persistence and perseverance. three separate trials to achieve justice in 1994 for the man that murdered her love of her life, medgar evers . talk

briefly about what it meant to meet myrlie and interact with her to know what that woman has gone through. she did not shelve her grief, she made it and converted it into activism. >> you know is a lawyer my sister it is hard to win one trial. this with three different trials. two hung juries and 30 years later, a conviction of man that assassinated medgar evers. it was a triumph from the legal point of view . it was the fact that myrlie evers was so determined that you get the transcripts from the trial. she walked around with them for 30 years and was prepared whenever they have enough evidence, which was in part because of the bigmouth of the assassin who cannot shut up about killing medgar evers . they were able to combine his stupidity with evidence she still had with the new evidence that a great journalist brought to the table. and get a conviction. meeting her, is meeting someone who is triumphant she was legally triumphant, personally triumphant and from the civil

rights point of view was equally triumphant. as a woman and a human being a triumphant individual. >> i do not know how you do what you do so well . joy-ann reid it was a joy to have you michelle. please read this book, there is a reason it is a best-selling book. thank you for being here. my thanks to all of you for joining us today. you can catch you back here tonight at 6:00 p.m. as i am filling in for jonathan capehart. he is interviewing president joe biden. follow us on social media using the handle at the katie thing show. catch clips on youtube and you can listen to every episode of "the katie phang show" for free. scan the qr code on your screen to follow now. do not go any where, and is set -- alex whitney is up next. nex

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