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kangaroos. must be kangaroo time taking us off the air tonight. on that pretty amazing note, i wish you a very good night, but do not go anywhere, at least not tomorrow, tomorrow we are going to a very, very special coverage of the state of the union address, starting right here at 8:00 p.m. eastern, followed by commentary from our all-star cast, and of course friday night do not miss our night cast with maia wiley, christine romans, and one and only savannah guthrie. not only on friday, but saturday, too, 11:00 p.m. eastern. on that note i wish you a very good night, we had kangaroos tonight, great women for the next two nights. across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. donald trump is now the presumptive republican nominee for president. is only opponent in this race, former governor nikki haley,

had vowed to stay in the race through to super tuesday and this morning, after only winning the state of vermont and the city of washington, d.c., nikki haley dropped out. if there was anything truly significant about haley's campaign, the degree to which it was a symbol of dissatisfaction with donald trump. nikki haley talked about the deficit, and advocated for congressional term limits, but really, the whole point of the haley project was to offer republicans an alternative to the guy with the orange blowout. when nikki haley dropped out this morning, the big question was, who is she going to endorse? you might think this would be the moment for the last person standing between donald trump and the complete takeover of the gop wouldn't just capitulate to donald trump. and therefore render the entire point of her candidacy moved. maybe she wouldn't endorse joe biden, but couldn't she, wouldn't she suggest that her supporters didn't have to vote for donald trump? that there were other

alternatives? that the haley people might put country over party? in times like these? as it turns out, that is not what nikki haley did. >> in all likelihood, donald trump will be the republican nominee when our party convention meets in july. i congratulate him, and wish him well. it is now up to donald trump turn the votes of those in our party and beyond it who did not support him. and i hope he does that. at its best, politics is about bringing people into your cause, not turning them away. and our conservative cause badly needs more people. this is now his time for choosing. >> nikki haley offered up her supporters on a silver platter to donald trump. not to joe biden or even rfk junior or jason palmer, the guy who won the american samoa

primary last night. not even that guy. she offered them up to donald trump. she entreated trump to woo her people, to make them his in the name of the conservative cause. and that is because, if you look at what nikki haley's campaign was actually about, it was never about taking on donald trump. not really. it was about, yes, boat courting voters who were dissatisfied with trump but also courting trump voters, too. >> i believe president trump was the right president at the right time. and i agree with a lot of his policies. but, the truth is, rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him. i personally think president trump was the right president at the right time. i agree with a lot of his policy. but the reality is, rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him. i agree with a lot of trump's policies. i think he was the right

president at the right time. chaos follows him. >> does he create the chaos? that sounds so passive, chaos follows him. >> you call it whatever you want to call it, but when you feel it, it's chaos. >> nikki haley wanted to be the alternative to donald trump, but she also wanted to stay in the good graces of the people who supported donald trump. that meant that her candidacy was indecipherable. haley was the alternative to someone who she couldn't really bring herself to criticize, so what was the point? if there was any certainty in the nikki haley campaign, it was that president biden was too old, that he was very bad at his job, and that he had put america in peril. >> i want to make it clear, i'm not being disrespectful when i say that. we all know people over 75 who can run circles around him. and then we know joe biden.

we can't afford four more years of biden's failures. every time he opens his mouth he sounds like his mind is closing up shop. we can't afford to put americans at risk, and that's what joe biden is doing every day. >> it sounds like, if in the end we have a choice between trump and biden, your choosing trump, is that correct? >> i think biden is more dangerous. >> nikki haley thought, nikki haley thinks that president biden is more dangerous for this country than donald trump. donald trump, the man with 91 felony counts to his name, who has said he will be a dictator on day one who intends to round up tens of thousands of people into camps. the man who wants to essentially destroy the geopolitical order. but joe biden is more dangerous. at every juncture where she might have said otherwise, given any opportunity, nikki haley has made clear that she is a republican. she is a conservative before she is anything else.

is it any wonder that she is offering her supporters to donald trump? there was never any other possibility, not really. so what we are witnessing is the final capitulation. the men and women who have been credited, however questionably with being resistant to trumpism are finally showing their hand. today, the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell, formerly and the donald trump for president. there was a moment after january 6th when mcconnell said, exquisitely, that donald trump was practically and morally responsible for the insurrection. but that did not stop mitch mcconnell from enabling trump before and after either directly or indirectly. by carrying out trumps bidding when it was convenient. or avoiding comment when it was not convenient. and when a comet was very much needed, and a critical one at that. >> are you concerned at all with your party embracing the

former president, who use it was morally responsible for the january 6th attack? >> i do think we need to be talking about the future. and not the past. >> do you think it's appropriate the way that the former president was storing those top-secret and classified documents at his private date at mar-a-lago? >> i don't have any comments on this whole investigation. >> former president donald trump ridiculed mcconnell, saying he had a death wish, and he also went after mcconnell's wife, the former transfer terrace in secretary with a personal and racist attack. what did mcconnell have to say about that? >> he said he had no comment. i pressed him about the racist attack against his wife. i said is it acceptable to have that racist attack against elaine who is a taiwanese descent, and he said, i don't have anything to say about that. >> for years, nikki haley and mitch mcconnell have been touted as holdouts, members of the republican party that was

still based in reality, resistance agents against trump and the maca movement. the truth is, nikki haley and mitch mcconnell never did anything to stop trump, because all along this whole time they knew they needed trump. haley wanted to win over trump voters, and mcconnell needed the support of trumps allies in congress. and what makes today so utterly disappointing is that neither of them actually needs trump anymore. nikki haley has left the race. she says she's off to life as a private citizen. mitch mcconnell has announced his retirement from public life at the conclusion of his current senate term. they don't need donald trump anymore, but they are still abiding him. still looking to him as the future of their party. the fantasy, here, of a different republican party, of something other than the darkness that trump represents, is officially over. you may still know plenty of people who are republicans and who don't like donald trump but as far as republicans in power, the people who could have tried to stop trump from the inside,

they didn't. and now they're gone. joining me now are brendan buck, msnbc political analyst, and charlie sykes, msnbc contributor and columnist. thanks both to you for being here tonight. i know you have some thoughts which you've written about eloquently, today about what nikki haley's candidacy actually was all about. can you refresh people who are not familiar with your writings? >> thank you. nikki haley, i think, was really excited to be the last person standing in case donald trump were to somehow implode. it's not necessarily crazy to think that that would happen. somebody, as you said, who was indicted 91 times, who was found liable for sexual assault during the campaign. but you have to understand what republican voters want. that chaos that she talks about is not a bug, it's a feature.

if your plan is to be there as the savior when donald trump implodes, you know nothing about the republican party. donald trump would have imploded many times if that was going to happen. it never happens. republican voters like the chaos that comes with him. she was very happy to sit there for many, many months and really draw no contrast. to her credit, toward the end of the race, she certainly did, she took swipes at him, but he was 50 points ahead of her at that point and there was never any real chance. it was a confusing strategy to now pivot at the end and make yourself quite unpopular with a lot of republican voters when it could have actually made a difference early on when donald trump looked maybe a little more vulnerable, maybe win some indictments came down, when he dodged some debates to go after him at that point, but she didn't, she waited until the end when he was very much clearly already going to be the nominee. and as we have seen time and time again, that implosion never happened, it was foolish to think that it ever would.

>> charlie, i wonder if it gets too harsh to suggest that when people ask the big questions, what happened to their publican party, of course fingers will point to donald trump, but the enablers, the people who knew better i feel like are the ones that deserve special credit for that. people like nikki haley who, for so long, refused to call donald trump out and was his only opponent in his raise, or mitch mcconnell who certainly knew better and was his great enabler in the senate. >> they never fail to disappoint, do they? this is what's extraordinary about what's happening, and i hope people understand that this is a long, they feel like the old story of republicans caving into donald trump, but it's not the same old same old. think about how different 2024 is from 2020. what they are now willing to swallow, not just the fact that donald trump, since 2020 incited a violent attack on the capital, tried to overturn the election, and braced the big lie, stopped the first peaceful

transfer of power for the first time stop the peaceful transfer of power, called for the termination of the constitution, as brendan mentioned, has been found liable for assaulting a woman, and faces 91 felony counts, including charges of racketeering and violating the espionage act, and i haven't even gotten to the massive fraud judgments against him, and yet republicans are rolling over and embracing him. nikki haley and any other republican could figure out how could they possibly run against this guy? what issues might work against him? because this party has become, your right. donald trump is donald trump, and i think we see the man in full, but the story here has been the absolute serial failure of responsible republicans to stand up against him, and as brendan noted, the fact that republican voters don't want a return to normalcy. they don't want to move past

the unhinged chaos. they like it. >> i do wonder, brendan, being a creature of congress what you thought of mitch mcconnell dedicating his announcement saying it should come as no surprise. this is a person who withstood withering personal attacks on him and his wife from donald trump, and here he is. the humiliation, the public humiliation of mitch mcconnell by donald trump was so embarrassing for even people who weren't republicans, and yet it should not be surprising in the words of mitch mcconnell that he's endorsing donald trump here what did you make of that? >> when mitch mcconnell went to the senate floor last week and announced that he was going to be stepping down, he had a great line. he said i have many faults but misunderstanding politics is not one of them. i think that is absolutely true. mitch mcconnell cares about one thing right now. that is winning back the senate. he understands that a divided party is bad, and therefore, endorsing donald trump is good.

he knows that it would be a huge distraction, that he would have to be asked about it all of the time and he would rather get that out of the way, that he understands that this is not only what republican voters want but it is what the rest of his republican conference is doing. he understands if you were to stage a fight within the conference, he would lose because voters are clearly with donald trump, but also it would distract them from his one and only goal at this point. i think that he could really go either way on who the president is, but if it gets in the way of taking back the senate and making that be his last legacy item, he's going to do whatever it takes. that's what mitch mcconnell knows best, and cares most about. >> trump says they always bend the knee. charlie, what did you make, i think nikki haley gives credit for taking swipes at donald trump in the closing hours of her campaign, but i was remarkably unimpressed by her appetite for actually taking him on on anything substantive and suggesting repeatedly through the course of the campaign that biden was the greater existential threat to america. as far as a formal endorsement,

do you expect her to formally endorse donald trump at any point? >> i think that could be the default setting, to assume that these people will bow the knee. because they all do if they want a future in republican politics. what we are seeing, though, there's this embrace of the sick political logic that does put party and power ahead of the country. she was disappointing, but let's just stick with mitch mcconnell for a moment. mitch mcconnell knows what donald trump did on january 6th, he came very close, i think, to voting to convict him, to spare us this particular moment. the attacks on his wife, the attacks on him, and yet he's decided, as brendan points out, that this is what he has to do in order to win the senate. at some point, you would hope that there would be other republicans who would follow the example of liz cheney and say, there are some things that are more important than winning

an election. there are some things more important than holding onto the seat. mitch mcconnell is over 80 years old, he's not running for re-election. he has nothing to lose. if there's ever a moment in which you say, this is right, this is wrong, this man poses a danger to the republic, i have watched him and i know what he will do. this will be the moment. the fact that mitch mcconnell is so immersed in this political cynicism, this endless loop of search for power, it is really a pathetic commentary. it's not new in world history and american history that people would do this, but if you want an example of whatever the opposite of profiles in courage is, this would be at. >> we get that news and the rnc that trump lackeys will be installed as cochairs of the republican national committee and that more than the majority of the rnc members want to use the money they have to offset the bills from donald trump's lawyers. that is the state of play on the right side of the aisle.

brendan buck, charlie sykes, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. lots more ahead this evening, and actual election conspiracy about mules stuffing ballot boxes turns out to be true. only, it was republican mules. we're going to have more on the wild crop of maggot candidates coming to a town near you. first, the supreme court has finally set a key date in the coming trump unity claim hearing. law professor and supreme court expert sherilyn ifill joined me on set, right after the break. . there are some things that work better together. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. voya provides tools that help you make the right investment and benefit choices. so you can reach today's financial goals. and look forward to a more confident future. voya, well planned, well invested, well protected.

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this week was supposed to be the start of donald trump's federal election interference trial in washington, d.c. but instead of proceedings and judge tonya's courtroom on monday, what we got was an

expedited ruling by the supreme court saying states cannot remove donald trump from their ballots for engaging in insurrection under the 14th amendment. today, the court announced that it will hear oral arguments over trumps presidential immunity claims, seven weeks from now, on april 25th, which is the very last day of the court's term. joining me now is sherilyn ifill and civil rights at howard university, i should also note she filed an amicus brief in the trump ballad case which was of course recently decided by the court. it's great to see you, thank you for being here in new york. i'm not going to ask me to tell you the good news, i think it's truly bad news, here. the very last day of the court's term is when they're going to hear the immunity claim, contrasted with the relatively quick timeframe for the 14th amendment ruling. how do you interpret that decision? >> it's very much consistent with this court. refusal to be moved from the narrative that it has tried to

create, that we are somehow impervious to the politics of what's happening around us. this is one of their ways of doing it, pretending that they don't understand the urgency, the reason why american voters would want to know whether one of the candidates for president has been convicted of a crime. so what they do is, they just carry on business as usual. i expect, to their mind, they think it is carrying forward a narrative of impartiality. they think we are so deluded that we believe they are just sticking to the timetable, sticking to the line, not letting politics move them. we know that is not true, we know they can move quickly when they want to move quickly and they move slowly when they want to move slowly. so, it's consistent with what they have demonstrated, but it's incredibly cynical. >> can i take it one step further and assign some nefarious ends to that? speeding up the decision on the 14th amendment, helps trump. slowing down the unity claim,

helps trump. there is a thread, here, that makes sense if you look at it through political lens. >> i don't think the way the supreme court has approached the timing of these cases suggests taking seriously how much their failure to acquiesce to the urgency of the moment, it undermines democracy and the electoral process. and i think particularly with the 14th amendment case, the day before super tuesday, one might call that quick, i'm not sure that i would. i would say that their whole approach of that case showed a kind of laissez-faire at the oral argument, they didn't sound prepared. they did the most cursory review of the history, which is why so much of it was wrong. there's just a lack of seriousness. and i've said this before, the moment that we're in in his country which is a time of democratic crisis requires us all to be big. to be bigger than what we were, and to meet the moment.

this court, the majority of this court is not prepared to meet the moment. they are scrabbling. even the fact that clarence thomas was part of the 14th amendment decision, if you cared about our democracy, the integrity of the court, the legitimacy of decision-making, the conflicts abound. and he should not have been part of that decision. but they can't help it. and you see the ham-fisted nest, it's a decision no one wants to assign their name to it, it's the illusion that it's unanimous, i suppose it is unanimous but it's not really. you have the concurring justices who are giving the one- two punch and saying to me what has been the most serious, harsh, and i think not given enough attention statement about what's going on with the majority on that court. and i will say nothing has shaken me as much as the language in that concurrence. >> the suggestion that the conservative justices are trying to shield future insurrectionist. >> they said, majority attempts

to insulate all alleged insurrectionist from future challenges to their holding federal office. attempt assign intentionality to that majority. that should frighten all of us. we should be sitting with that, the people said why didn't they dissent? i would have liked for them to at least dissent in part as well, but they are telling us in no uncertain terms, as clearly as they possibly, these are not wild eyed folks. these are their colleagues on the card and we have seen them try to toe the line, try to maintain relationships, try to be as careful as possible, and when they make a statement like that, if we refuse to pay attention to what they are telling us is happening on the court, that is on us, not on the majority. even amy coney barrett, the one conservative woman on the court, who, of course, tries to scold the women by saying we shouldn't air our dirty laundry, but she said even she didn't think the decision had to go that far. the only thing she's telling us

is because they obviously were having conversations behind the scenes in which she, too, was hoping that the guys would be able to control themselves and restrain themselves enough to just issue the decision in the parameters in which they needed to. you've got four women ringing the alarm bell loudly. and going on and saying, well, it was 9-0 and it doesn't matter and this is not what's important in any way. section 3, it's after the civil war, and it's like, there is a bellringing, and they are telling us. the other part of it that's profoundly hypocritical is, this is the court that ruled, in 2013 in shelby county, that congress did not have the constitutional power, under section 5 of the 14th amendment, to enforce the voting rights act. and now, in the same amendment they're saying it's all up to congress to enforce. >> they said something a little

different, but with the same result in the shelby county case in 2013. what they did was exactly what they would do if congress does pass a statute lamenting section 3, which was to say, not quite this way, don't do it this way. congress has a coverage formula for preclearance under the voting rights act, and reauthorize that formula after hearings, after amassing evidence and the supreme court says no, no, we don't think that's right. we believe, as the court says in that case, that things have changed dramatically. >> there is no racism anymore. >> now we hear stories, all the studies that are being done showing that the turnout gap has increased again in those places where preclearance was removed, they don't know better. congress does know better which is why they have the power. even when the court concedes that congress has power, then they proceed to tell congress how to use that power, in this one, they said it has to be

legislation, and the legislation has specifically say this and that. it's a power grab in every way, and it is deference to congress in name only. the 14th amendment is one of, to my mind, the most important provisions of our constitution for the way we live our modern lives in this country, our post- civil war lives. to see the supreme court chip away at it, undermine it, subvert it, take it as their own, the times that that happened in the past in the 19th century, in the reconstruction period resulted in devastation for our democracy. whether it was ferguson, the civil rights cases in 1883, these were all circumstances in which the supreme court undermined congress's power to issue statutes in accordance with the 14th amendment. every time they did it, they ushered in jim crow. for 60 years in this country. so when you see the supreme court doing this, when we see them subverting a provision of

the constitution that those framers, the only framers in the history of the country who have looked insurrection in the eye and overcome it and fit back together a broken nation, when we see them do this we should understand this is an emergency moment for our democracy. >> that emergency, we are going to talk in a coming blog about how crystal-clear it is and how very much at our doorstep that emergency is. please hang with me if you can for a few more minutes, still to come tonight, president biden has a lot to brag about in tomorrow's state of the union address, a bustling economy, higher wages, lower crime. but, when do american voters start giving him credit? plus, the new crop of rubble ligands who have molded themselves in trumps image are coming to a down ballot race near you, that is next. next.

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that was a trailer for the election conspiracy propaganda 2000 mules. created by right wing provocateur and it's been wildly cited by election deniers across the country as

proof that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. in that trailer you may have caught mention of an organization called truth about. that is a right-wing voter suppression group. 2000 mules is very up-front about the fact that the main source to their stolen election allegation is research by truth about. true the vote claimed that they identified secret operatives, so-called mules, who were stuffing ballot boxes with boats and the filmmakers a suggest that that is proof of an election that was stolen for joe biden. the claims in that film have been widely discredited, and true the vote has been forced to admit in a court filing in georgia that it had no evidence to back up its claims about ballot tampering there. so after that humiliating admission, you might think that anyone involved in the whole 2000 mules election conspiracy would, i don't know, retreat from public life? you would be wrong.

yesterday, republicans chose this man, brandon gill, to be their nominee for texas 26th congressional district. brandon gill is the son-in-law of the creator of 2000 mules, and gill was the film's main promoter when it premiered. that alone is an alarming example of where the republican party is right now, but it is even more shocking when you consider one of the other candidates republicans chose to be their nominee yesterday. this is mark harris, a conservative pastor who ran for congress in north carolina in 2018. mark harris won that race in 2018, or that was how things appeared at first. because after election day, everything changed. >> republican mark harris beat democrat dan mccready by only 905 votes, but instead of calling the race, officials launched a dramatic month-long investigation into allegations

of absentee ballot tampering. harris denied knowing about any wrongdoings, but today earlier, harris's son, john, a federal prosecutor, gave emotional testimony revealing he warned his parents about the political operatives they hired. leslie mccray dallas, accused of running an operation that tampered with absentee ballots, say they were directed to forge signatures, collect blank or incomplete ballots, and even filion votes. >> north carolina had to hold a brand-new election after it was revealed that a republican operative had helped steal that congressional race by running, wait for it, a ring of ballot harvesting mules. mules who collected ballots and filled them in further republican candidates and mailed them in to be counted. in the end, scandal plagued mark harris, chose not to run in a do over election, citing health issues. that there is no shortage of second changes in republican

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2020, democrats stole the election from president trump. the year before, they did it to me. in 2024, president trump is making a comeback, and so am i. >> that was mark harris, republican from north carolina who now has a second crack at a sikh in the u.s. house of representatives. harris won his first race for a house seat in 2018 but that victory was overturned when his campaign was accused of election fraud. that did not stop mr. harris yesterday from winning the

republican primary for north carolina's eighth congressional district. north carolina republicans also chose this guy to be their nominee for governor, mark robinson, the state's lieutenant governor. he is known for denying the holocaust and calling and transgender americans. these are some of the down ballot republican nominee this year, not just bad candidates, not just fringe candidates, they are now accurate representations of what the party has become under donald trump. back with me is sherilyn ifill, thanks for sticking around. it's prescient of you to talk about the fear that should be stuck in all of our hearts, that the liberal justices, the norm is on the supreme court are saying, we just made it easier for insurrectionist to run for and hold federal office. when you look at, how you look at this crop of candidates who are likely to win house seats, maybe even governorships, in light of that decision that they have effectively made it easier for people who campaigned violently against the united states to hold

office. >> let's go back to the insurrection of 2020. you will remember there were 10 members of congress, actually nine and one representative elect, marjorie taylor greene, who had not yet taken her oath, who met with the president and others at the white house on december 21st, 2020, to talk about how they would try to overturn the election and to pressure mike pence, talking about andy biggs, from arizona, andy harris from maryland, talking about matt gaetz, talking about jim jordan, all of those individuals took a deep sigh of relief after the supreme court's decision as well. these are people who had prior taken an oath, and perhaps engaged or alleged to have engaged in the plans for that insurrection. first of all, let's talk about those folks who essentially get a pass unless congress passes legislation. exactly, and then you have a new crop of folks who will be

sworn in. the congress will be sworn in before the president, before the elective all meat, so we will have a new congress at that point, and we will have people who have taken an oath, and what they decide to do should matter as well. just think about the effect of this decision which essentially says, unless congress passes a statute that does all the things we say it has to do, and the statute holds up, that these kinds of folks are not barred by section 3. this is so contrary to what the framers wanted, who were so concerned about the spirit of insurrection that they believe still existed in this country, they were not only concerned about the period after the civil war, they wanted to protect the country forever more. and this decision has essentially unraveled that and set us up for danger. if you're a democracy and you cannot protect yourself, and you can't protect yourself from those who would undermine you, and from those who would unravel you, you're not worthy of the name.

we are seeing the tools taken out of our hands, people say, just about. we're seeing voting rights on the chopping block. all the tools are being taken out of our hands that we need to protect our country. that's what i find most alarming about this moment. >> the other piece of it, this is the insurrectionist getting the inmates running the asylum, if you will, is the surge of christian nationalism. i focus on mark robinson, the lieutenant governor, he today, a video resurfaced of mark robinson saying he wants to go back to when women couldn't vote, people filth, this is someone who believes that feminism was created by satan. the injection of a theocracy, or the overlay of a theocracy onto a democracy is deeply problematic on a number of levels. >> is a perverted theocracy, of

course. i don't know who mark robinson things he would have been in 1919 before women could vote, but he should ask those who were in the east st. louis race riots and race massacre, he should ask those who were in tulsa, he should ask those who were in alabama and mississippi during that period. the part that bothers me, is that we have a very rich tradition in this country of those who were associated with christianity who fought for social justice and change. these are the same people who i'll quote, one line from a speech, dr. martin luther king, we think about the people, the civil rights movement was deeply and powerfully affected by people of faith, by reverend shuttlesworth and ct vivian and these luther king. powerfully affected by people of faith. all of these were people who deeply studied the christian faith, who believed in the christian faith and who were moved by it and that tradition is part of the country. to see these people pervert

theology, it is not that they are using theology but they are perverting it through their aims to receive power so i am waiting for other christian leaders to speak up in that other tradition we have in this country. >> preach, thank you for your time tonight. still ahead it is a two-man race, we talked about the republican and now it is time to talk about the democrat. we will talk about bidens battle ahead. that is next. at is next. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth.

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in january the s&p 500 and dow hit record highs but the usual measures do not apply these days. joining me now is the staff writer at the atlantic and the author of the last politician, inside bidens white house and the struggle for america's future. passages of your book are quoted in the new yorker piece. it all comes together in a family affair. i wonder, there has been a lot of talk about the bad polling that came out this week, bad news for biden in the polls. what is your experience from reporting out from inside the white house, how the administration deals with negative feedback or criticism at large? >> one of the strengths and the political weaknesses of this white house is the insular nature. there is a small group of people clustered around the

president, the same ones that have been there for decades, they have this innate self confidence about the ark of the biden story, they go through periods where everybody underestimates him and then he rises from the ashes, there is a lot of that that is built into the way they assess their situation, they assume there is noise that is happening now and the attention is disproportionately thrust on him but there will be a point in the campaign were attention inevitably shifts to the opponent and it becomes a comparison and then we are back to 2020 and that is a race they feel comfortable with despite all of the alarming signs we are seeing continually about where the race is headed. >> i was talking about this with chris in the early hours, biden did not have to campaign,

he could not, there was a pandemic, i was on the trail when he could campaign, he was not the world's best campaigner. so to what degree does the white house understand they need surrogates, advocates, ambassadors and they need to flood the zone with people not joe biden to talk about what he has done? >> i am sure they understand that but there is a way that the age question cuts in different directions. his capacity to govern, if you sit and talk to biden, you see them mental acuity to do the job, you can argue his wisdom and age have been a major boon to him as he has been president and there is another question about his stamina and his ability to go out and warn storm across the country, as you say they he did not need to inject that stamina in the

campaign in 2020 because of the nature of that campaign but he has to do it now and he needs to find creative ways to compensate for his own shortcomings as a campaigner. >> you feel like they will -- what are your expectations for tomorrow i should say? it is the unofficial kickoff for the general election. >> obviously there is a theatrical part of it about the age and he needs to repeat what he did last time, everybody's expectations for biden are so low, this narrative that he is aimlessly roaming around the west wing is clearly not true. if he gives a confident and well delivered speech that is one thing but the most important thing is they need to become masters of their own narrative. there is a economic story they can tell, there is a story about america being back that they can tell embedded in that

passage you read from the new yorker. they need to stitch together all of their accomplishments on redirecting the shape of the american economy, being more active on the consumer front, whether it is credit card fraud, junk fees, the return of antitrust enforcement, the way in which the state is now acting as a investment bank and claiming height to the economy and health care, it is a story and they need to tell it. >> they have a lot to do tomorrow. it is great to see you, thank you for your time tonight. that is our show for this evening, now it is time for the last word. >> we have a quorum at the last word, we have three senators joining us tonight. adam schiff who is one election night away from becoming the next senator in california,