melissa murray and andrew weissmann get the last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight the rematch for the white house with nikki haley out of the race, the battle to win over her supporters and her donors begins. and the focus on the economy. it is a key issue for voters and one that the five biden administration is still delivering on. and looking ahead to the state of the union address. the white house sees this as a major moment. what we can expect as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening, once again. get ready for this. we are now 244 days until the election. now that super tuesday is history, president joe biden

and donald trump are set, almost officially, for the rematch after nikki haley dropped out of the race early this morning. even though the presumptive republican nominee got rid of his rivals, his primary victories reveal warning signs for november. the wall street journal noted he underperformed his polling in most states. the new york times said that it masked problems with suburban and independence as well as republicans who voted for biden the last time around. nikki haley donors and voters are up for grabs skrip we have more on that. >> it is now up to donald trump and beyond it to those who did not support him. >> reporter: president biden urging haley supporters to join him in opposing mr. trump as saying there is a lot we will not agree on. i hope and believe we can find common ground. mr. trump inviting supporters to join the greatest movement

in the history of our nation while boasting that she got trounced last night. >> they call it super tuesday for a reason. >> reporter: the former president hearing 14 of 15 states securing landslide victory's from maine to minnesota to california with nikki haley only winning vermont allowing truck to focus on president biden. despite the big defeats, she did attract more than a quarter of the vote many primaries. >> there is no way i want trump in office. >> someone else who does not want to see him in office is liz cheney. she posted this earlier today. the gop has chosen. they will nominate a man who attempted to overturn an election and seize power. we have eight months to save our republic and in short donald trump is never anywhere near the oval office again. trump is facing federal charges related to that attempt to overturn the election.

the trial is on hold until the supreme court deals with his claim for immunity from prosecution. it was scheduled for april 22nd and now scheduled for the 25th. i know already this is a great panel. senior political correspondent, cohost of the new morning show, and the former chief spokesperson for the vice president and a writer and editor for project democracy and former senior staffer to ted cruz. all right. first of all, i want to say that she has been on the air all day long. >> this is all i can muster up. >> i want to start with what the biden campaign culture said earlier today about nikki haley voters. they are in high demand. >> what we would say to the

nikki haley voters is there is room for you over here to that third of the republican party is not sure they want to vote donald trump or they don't want to support donald trump that we have a big tent and they are welcome here. >> that is the right message. beyond that, what does the biden campaign have to do? donors will argue that president biden has become so progressive or he might not be so progressive that he has armed himself with super progressives. i'm not saying he should make changes, but if he wants those voters, what does he need to do? >> let me pull my sleeves up for this. i feel as though perhaps there are nikki haley voters and there are nikki haley donors. and i think people are gripping those together. you were separating them and i think we should for this conversation.

her donors are not joe biden people. maybe some on the very fringe, but for the most part i don't think they are willing to give to joe biden. >> from my reporting some of the biggest donors nikki haley has could begrudgingly vote for joe biden and admit they are voting for joe biden but they're not writing a big check. they subscribe to the hope that nikki haley represents this george bush era republican and they are desperate to keep that thinking it is not the party of trump. >> nikki haley voters, which are these people we have seen in some of the great reporting that our nbc news colleagues have done across the board in these battleground states and on super tuesday, those folks have said i'm not going to vote for donald trump, i could potentially cast about joe biden. the thing that joe biden can do is work to earn their votes is to campaign.

i do not think that there should be an overcorrection for the haley voters and the biden coalition in 2020, i was a senior advisor on that campaign. that coalition we put together in 2020 was based democratic voters was moderate republicans , i would argue, and independent voters. we rolled out at the 2020 convention. joe biden will not get reelected and there are not enough haley voters to account for. you have to campaign and keep your entire coalition together but not over correct. i think we will hear that at the state of the union on thursday talking about they're going to lean into healthcare, which nbc news reporting suggests from the white house and lean into talking about, i'm interested to see who is in the box with dr. jill biden. >> joe biden's message has been

come over, there's room for you . donald trump's message was to attack nikki haley. you spent last night at mar-a- lago at the after party. how do you think, besides the immediate attack on her, how do you think there will you play this?>> i mean, they're coming off competent to the press. they think they are republicans at the end of the day they will vote top to bottom republican and in a few months they will forget about this. i think that these primary voters came out to send a message. they were voting in a primary and they were doing it in protest to trump in the way you have people that are uncommitted. >> what is the message.>> the messages we don't like this vision of the gop, but i don't know that they are all going to go with donald trump. if you look at the polling it says, like, more than 50% say they will vote for him even though they voted for nikki haley and 12% still do not know

what they are doing. this is all anecdotal and we still do not know for a fact, but more than half of them are saying they are still republicans and are more likely to vote for trump then joe biden and 12% still don't know what they are going do. this is also just a small margin. not a lot of people go out to vote in primaries.>> amanda, state after state, donald trump is underperforming. either the polling is broken or he has lost his mojo. >> i think he is living voters every day. but i want to rewind the tape on the conversation. in terms of how joe biden appeals to these voters, they are the majority makers in swing states. it's a unique coalition of never trumper republicans, moderates in the suburbs. this is an amazing coalition

and it is something i'm super interested in because that is the -- that is the organization. we are cross partisan. i used to work for ted cruz and i worked with staffers who work for elizabeth warren and those who worked for susan b. anthony pro-life. the way we see together as an organization is a model for this. we do it not by saying, okay, we are all on joe biden's team and let's put on a blue shirt. we stay focused on big values. when the obama campaign said, how can we get people in our tent, i think that's the wrong approach. i think were you just say, listen, we're going to disagree on some things, but i'm to create a space and keep a country where it is safe to disagree and we can resolve our differences in a clear and peaceful way and we will have a peaceful transfer of power. you should not have to check

all your priors at the door. you don't have to a democrat in the selection when it is a democracy versus authoritarianism. and is chris christie going to come and speak at the dnc? i don't think it's necessary and i think it's counterproductive. >> can i say one point about that? it speaks to that particular piece of the coalition. i think everyone will come out and vote and say -- i mean, what you are saying, amanda, joe biden said that today. he put out a statement and he basically said, look you don't have to give me 50%, but can we agree on democracy and do that. that message was for those haley voters. when it comes to based democratic voters there has been focused on things like

junk fees and that goes directly to the heart of what people deal with every single day. when people ask, the economy is doing well, but why do voters say i don't know about the economy. because they deal with things like creating crazy credit card fees and junk fees and now what you are saying the white house do is turn toward, look, we've done what we can on our own, but we are going to be on the edges, but we need to speak to the heart of the issues you are dealing with have to do with corporations and we will do what we can. that is more of a progressive argument, but it is something that will speak to these folks that have yet to say, i need to feel it. >> any topic. let's talk about immigration. is clearly a flashpoint

partially because republicans are pushing it so hard because they have to deal with the fact that the economy is significantly stronger than they want people to believe. elon musk posted on social media that joe biden committed treason by secretly flying 320,000 illegal immigrants from latin america to the u.s.. he claimed they were importing voters. this is not true. there are no secret flights bringing in migrants. tara palmeri, this is extraordinary because this is some of the most ridiculous things that the biden administration is being hit with. until now the biden administration barely changed any policies that trump had in place. and now that they have tightened things up, republicans blocked it, and they've gotten so strict that far left progressives are not that happy with the president. let's talk about the difficult

position he is in when you factor in local news and the panic and getting people fired up and worked out.>> it's basically like crime. and often they are coupled together. that's how the republicans were able to take back the house through new york and california in 2022 >> a small wave and not a big one.>> and now you have hundred thousand migrants in new york and chicago and they are being shipped from texas from ron desantis and greg abbott and it has become an issue in these blue cities. it is an issue they will deal with. republicans know and that's why they tanked that bill. it's hard to explain, i think, that there were real attempts to close off the border, but because of political cynicism and donald trump told his party to not vote for a bill to seal off the border, you just have

to repeat it over and over again because it is counter to images of people crossing over the border. it's very hard to counter image with sound, but that is going to be the challenge of the democratic party to explain how hard they tried, and i think joe biden will this off the progressive base and they are already mad about gaza. he has a lot to deal with, but if you wants to win over haley voters, he has to do with immigration.>> let's talk about elon musk. we know he met with donald trump. trump needs cash right now. there is talk about elon musk backing him and he said i'm not going to find him but he didn't say he wasn't going to get to super pacs. what is your take on this? donald trump needs a lot of money. he's in a very vulnerable position right now and there are scores of super wealthy people who could easily pay his

bills and maybe own him if you were in the white house. >> i don't know. elon musk gave him twitter. but kidding aside i think it is sort of an in-kind donation in a way he has adopted trump's language. people need to pay specific attention to the words treason and inpatient and how they are applied to the immigration debate. invoking this language has been a steady, steady, repeated chorus for well over two years. what the alliance of trump and heritage and all these people that want to staff the next administration they want to use these words to justify warlike measures to detain thousands of people, millions of people in camps at the border and to conduct sweeps across the country and launching war against cartels in mexico.

if you look at the language that trump is using what he wants to go with to war, what is that even mean because there are cartels that have operations within the u.s. does it mean a war inside the u.s.? a big play book was put out on this. you can find it and it goes into specifically how that kind of language is being used to set up this kind of action. people need -- people like elon musk who have huge platforms to use it so easily in their everyday language, that screams that there's a huge problem had. >> before we go, mitch mcconnell, who knows exactly the threat that donald trump is has now endorsed them. trump is moving -- he just endorsed his daughter-in-law to be cochair of the rnc. are the roadblocks that will stand in his way?>> no.

and the rnc will vote on friday to install a new chair and cochair and i believe they will be his people. so those who have been waiting with baited breath for the legalists to take him out or nikki haley to search from behind, i encourage you to vote. not for him. >> we will leave that here. when we come back, a look at the economy and what the white house is doing to lower costs for everyday consumers. and the state of the union is less than 24 hours away. could it be the reset for the white house? the 11th hour is just getting underway on a wednesday night. differy. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs the chase ink card made it easy.

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can you please turn up the volume for this? president biden is doing what he, as the president can do to improve the economy for everyone. and he's making a lot of progress. negotiating drug prices, drilling more oil than ever before. those are facts that i just gave you. his latest target is credit card late fees. this week it was announced that there's a new cap on fees for late payments. they will bring the average fee and $32 down to 8 dollars and would save americans more than 10 billion dollars a year. joining us now is a group that

advocates for policies. the president does not have the ability to make the economy better. but we've made extraordinary economic strides since the pandemic. we've had a recovery better than any other developed country in the world. let's talk about what the president is doing. like this crusade against junk fees. >> you quantify that. it has already canceled $138 billion of student debt, which is 10% of the total. and we cannot wave a magic wand and stop certain things from happening. the average credit card interest rate is about 24%. the yield for the 10 year note is 4%. and

>> you have already lost us. here's the question. we know what the president has done. how does he communicate that to the american people. let's say i open up my credit card bill and my fees are lower than they have been. how do i know that the president did that? >> they have to go out and bang the drum. they have to start now. i would not wait until we get closer to the election. if you look at the unemployment rate for being at 4%, we have not seen anything quite like this. you have minority unemployment at record lows. you have economic growth that is above not only every developed country but china as well. they have been the juggernaut that last 30 years. i think they have to hit this hard from a political perspective and i would do it every single day with a wide variety of administration

members and not let up. >> let's talk about high grocery prices. this is a lingering and challenging thing for people that they face every day. what are the presence options? he really cannot do much. >> i think that is right. to really backup, if we think about where americans are feeling it, grocery prices are the most salient. people go to the store at least once a week and grocery prices are up at about 25% relative to 20% for overall inflation. >> that is a lot. >> i feel it. things are expensive. and i think one thing that has gone super underrated that this administration has done is that the 40 million americans who receive food stamps or snap, those benefits have increased by more than double the rate of

the increasing grocery prices. i think the biden administration has not said enough about it and people don't realize it. and to your point they have to be saying this, that's a huge thing. there is a huge swath of people who don't get food stamps. for those people, the president is cracking down on outrageous junk fees and really cracking down on corporate consolidation in the meat industry. last week we found out the administration will suit to block the $25 billion merger deal between kroger and albertsons. >> i want to talk about that next. where this administration is taking action on mergers. jetblue and spirit wanted to merge. >> that was a bad deal anyway. >> many people think, when the administration is blocking mergers, it's antibusiness, but it is not. it is proconsumer.

when you have two airlines, that means less competition. >> less competition means they can raise fears at will. that's true theoretically. it's not true in all mergers. we been doing this a long time. >> you longer than me. >> in some instances they don't really result in higher prices. but they have more pricing power and in the case of airlines they can raise the fares or in the case of grocery stores maintain larger than normal profit margins when they consolidate, and that is something that would affect consumers and they would feel at the checkout line.>> how about this. ceos are telling the business roundtable they feel good about the economy but they are worried about regulation. what does that sound like? all these ceos are discounting we had this great economic recovery and at the end of the day they don't want rules.

regulations are rules and they wanted do whatever they want. >> i think that is right. if we really look at the structural issue, back to the trump tax cuts, they said it would trickle down to american families, and it did not. and now the tax code incentivizes this profiteering. and what democrats need to look at is some of those corporate tax cuts expire in 2025, we need a tax code that does not just work for wealthy individuals and big corporations but works for working americans. >> we only have one minute left. a bank in new york just

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i'm not saying it's the majority. anybody who doubted, contact my office. i will give you a copy of the proposal. as we all apparently agree, social security and medicare is off the books right now. >> last year president biden faced off against republicans. because it is an election year. mounting concerns over his age

why does tomorrow have to be a reset? president biden has had huge accomplishments. based on actual performance in the primaries, it is trump who has been underperforming. >> i think he's going to spend some time celebrating himself, but he has to spend additional time i think the reset moment

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it will get slightly more intense. that might be something, but as you know -- >> i mean >> let's turn back to why need a. the biden administration, it is an important speech. are they overestimating the impact of the state of the union. i would like to believe the entire country will sit down tomorrow and focus on the president's words, but let's be honest. they are not. >> we talked about this a little while ago about the importance of joe biden. we also know that the administration will be fanning

out across the country reiterating the themes that the president will talk about tomorrow night. the playbook will be set as far as where it will happen on the ground, across the country over the next few months. biden needs to go into tomorrow with a clarity that he knows he has to deliver. any stumble, any hesitation, any shirking way from an issue has the potential to overtake the entire moment. as i mentioned before, i hope they've been running drills on how to respond to hecklers and figuring out how to even acknowledge, which we've seen with the uncommitted. but reassure the democratic

base that he is still the guy. >> who will he be speaking to tomorrow night? he wants to talk to nikki haley voters and reminding the president do not forget us and our priorities. they have different priorities. >> on some levels, all presidential speeches, and as president is no different, are broadcasting on different frequencies. i feel that the broader point is we should take

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issue. there is a new hbook out that dissects all of it, as grave a threat to our country and its values and institutions as any time since the civil war. let's bring in the authors, their new book, god, guns, and sedition, far right terrorism in america is out now. you have been researching this subject for over 40 years. what worries you most about the political climate? >> 40 years ago this was a movement that was predicated mostly on hatred and intolerance, and was beginning to spohn the first signs of antigovernment extremism. the difference is, today, social newmedia has knitted ei together. back then it was isolated ba pockets of these sentiments that were largely geographically separated from

one another. social media has connected them. >> we talked a aslot, here, abo christian nationalism. you talk about how christian identity and that movement is tied into this extremism. what role does religion play? >> religion has played a role throughout the course of the movement. in the 70s and 80s the origin of the modern movement that we traced, religion played a major role, we saw individuals with names like pastor and reverend, less so today, but some of the manifestoes with highway, california, oslo in norway. we see a heavy religious s element and that's why we need off that in our book title. >> gun violence is a uniquely american problem, let's talk about how it factors into right extremism. >> the availability of firearms in the united states, the he united states is the most armed country in the world. the next 25 countries in the world don't equal with an u.s. has, anyone who wants to nj's in hate field violence, once to

10 toward the united states the government has the means and rn methods within their reach. >> this book discusses that the worst-case scenario of division and extremism could result in a civil war. we like to believe that could never happen here, never in modern america. are we still thinking that? >> it's certainly something a conversation happening among people who work on this issue. like bruce and i. we come down on the side that it's unlikely for certain geographic regions. the opening framing of our book is even if we stay short of civil war, there are still a range of violent possibilities up to that, and our fear is something akin to what happenede in northern ireland, where you have sustained, widespread violence on a national level from competing factions that cripple the country and becomes the lasting legacy. we are quite afraid of political violence moving forward. >> walk us through the right

wing terrace flashpoints that you layout in the book. >> in modern times, really, i began with the attack in 2012, and then we had the terrible tragedy in charleston south carolina in 2014. tree of life synagogue in 2018, attacks in palais, california, and el paso, texas. and most recently in buffalo. mass shootings, almost all of them. >> what's interesting is you started working on this project during the pandemic. before january 6th took place. were you surprised that there re was an attempt to overturn our election when it happened? people thought this could never happen. were you too thinking, we saw this? >> a possible argument january 6th, although a perfect storm is the result of 40 years plus of seditious organizing. and key texts and strategies ke that have emerged.

they came perfectly together ony january sixth as capability and opportunity converged. i don't think it was surprising for us. certainly, the scale was a surprise, and i think certainly the reaction. just recently we've seen the political prisoners, hostages used to describe the people arrested and prosecuted for that crime. that has been a surprise. >> we've seen that from elected officials. you've laid out the threat of potential or current right-wing extremism, what can be done to combat it realistically? >> we've been spending a lot of time up on the hill, and we met with democratic and republican members of congress. bl i think in good faith. this is one issue that they're both extremely concerned about. that's the reach and the poise that social media has had.

section 230 of the communications decency act, which does not hold social media liable for its content. di both sides agree that has to be changed. they've asked us, how do you us change it and obviously we're not parliamentarians and tech people, so we can't answer that. but there's obviously a ca recognition that there has to be changed. >> i said realistically, not idealistically. those lawmakers are going to put on a great show with but what do they do that night? go out to dinner with their lobbyists and do nothing. bruce, jacob, congratulations on the book, thank you for being here. when we come back we will end with something a little lighter. making science a whole lot of a fun, and advanced video about, of all things, a kangaroo. a we're how do we combat extremism? we're going to end on a high note when the 11th hour continues. hour continues. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel,

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from different backgrounds showing different kangaroo personalities and how those personalities affect group behavior. >> i'm serious. the lasting week before we go tonight is all about kangaroo time. this story is all about making science fun, i didn't say cool but i did say fun. science magazine has named kangaroo time this year's winner of their dance your phd contest. contestants were challenged to explain their research results through interpretive dance. the winning video is described as joyful madness for where they use dancers to mimic how kangaroos adapt their unique personalities to fit into a group. here is just some of that joyful, joyful madness for you, right now. >> [ music ]

>> i don't even know what the i just watched, but i know how do you combat extremism? i'm going to say it's an interpretive dance devoted