tomorrow night immediately after the reid out, join me and looking for coverage of president biden's state of the union address. our coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern star. up next, chris hayes is joined by rachel madow for coverage of the general election rematch between president biden and donald trump. that starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> the time has now come to suspend my campaign.

>> the general election has begun. >> the race is set now. it will be a rematch and we like that rematch. >> donald trump running unopposed against president biden. tonight, a special edition of all in. rachel maddow and alex wagner join me on biden's chances against candidate trump as republicans try to erase the memory of his disastrous presidency. >> are you better off today than you were four years ago? >> then steve kornacki on who will decide this election. jen psaki and claire mccaskill on what is at stake. plus, a big announcement in arizona. >> i will leave the senate at the end of this year. >> ruben gallego joined me for his first national tv interview since senator kysten sinema dropped out when the special edition of all in starts right now. good evening from new york,

and chris hayes. thank you for tuning in for the special edition of all in on march 6, 2024 . it looks to be the unofficial official first day of the presidential general election. rachel maddow and alex wagner will join me in a moment. first, let's start with a brief trip down memory lane to four years ago exactly today, march 6, 2020. do you remember where you were on that day? we remember because we do a television show. it was the last time we did and all in live audience show before the world shut down and truthfully, just between you and me, maybe shouldn't have gone that long. slightly questionable call but we didn't really know. it was also the day went donald trump, do you remember this, when the president of the united states in the maga had took a tour of the centers for disease control headquarters to a sensibly comfort americans about the new novel coronavirus

that was already spreading like wildfire and had come into the shores of the u.s. and did not go well. i don't know if you remember this. at the time, there was that cruise ship, the grand princess. it was stuck off the coast of california after an outbreak of the virus was discovered on board and it was an open question as to what should be done with the boat and it's thousands of passengers and crew? >> franklin, if it were up to me, it would be inclined to say leave everybody on the ship for a period of time and use the ship as your base. a lot of people would rather do it a different way. now, when they do that, our numbers are going to go up. >> remember that ? the question was americans on a boat floating in the harbor should just stay there in order to keep our numbers like the trump campaign numbers, basically, low. that was the way this all worked from then on. there was no pretense of compassion for those affected. there were families on the boat

sick, or concern for public health, broadly. it was about the numbers, the metric. he was concerned about how the rising case it would look for him politically, plain as day, if the passengers would be counted toward the tally of active covid-19 cases. it is worth remembering trump already knew, this is key because we didn't know it at the time, now we do, he already knew him when he was saying that exactly how deadly and disruptive the virus would prove to be. he privately admitted as much to analyst bob woodward a four month earlier. >> it goes through error, bob. that is always tougher than the touch. the touch, you don't have to touch things. the air, you breathe the air, that is how it is passed. that is a very tricky one. that is a very delicate one. it is also more deadly than your, even your strenuous bloom. >> more deadly than your strenuous flu. that was a month before it came on our shores and what you want

to say dozens of times that it was just like the flu. that deadly negligence, that callousness and deceitfulness displayed by trump was emblematic. he mishandled the entire pandemic, which was eight catastrophe. 1 million people died. so, i thought of all that today when i heard the house republican conference chair and trump toady elise stefanik ask this question. >> as ronald reagan famously asked us are you better off today than you were four years ago ? the answer for hard- working americans across the country is a resounding no . >> know it is a resounding yes and it will be more of a resounding yes each day we go forward in this year. it is a

resounding yes because we are not currently entering the pandemic phase of covid-19 with a negligent president was more interested in saving his poll numbers than saving lives. of course, as of today, donald trump is effectively the republican nominee for president. for all intents and purposes, the general election begins right now and tom's entire election strategy depends on completely utterly retconning what happened four years ago, violating 2020 from public memory and he is helped in that strategy by the fact we all want to forget what a disaster 2020 was. it was a disaster. it was a disaster worse than the, wasn't in many ways by donald trump. that moment four years ago today would only be the beginning of the most bumbling, incompetent, chaotic mismanagement of a crisis since herbert hoover and the great depression nearly a century ago. a year that was nothing but chaos and turmoil, illness and death, abject economic destruction, donald trump settled or treated as the country burned. that is why, again, we all lived through this. let's go back to for a second. that is why joe biden won the 2020 election.

the problem with the biden campaign is a democrat and biden/harris would restore to leadership someone who thinks about what is the best of the country, someone who would restore legislative a compliment, who would restore the economy by investing in working americans and rebuilding things from the middle out. and, president biden successfully managed the vaccine rollout and a return to public life. our economy is stronger now than just about any expert protected it would be before covid-19. that is thanks in large part to the massive stimulus spending on things like public and structure the white house ushered through congress, sometimes on a bipartisan basis, as biden promised during that campaign, sometimes on a partyline vote. republicans cannot run against any of that. instead, they are trying, a campaign slogan of make america 2019 again. just listen to tim scott celebrating trumps win last night. >> president trump's spoke to the voters today across the country more republicans, democrats, and independents about to the future.

we have to go back to that future, 2017 to 2020. >> it is not a three year term. it's not a three year term. trump was president from 2017 to 2021. not 2020. i promise you, i was there. this is the whole game appeared donald trump and republicans want you to chop an entire year off trumps term as if he just gets this political mulligan for the catastrophe that was the end of his presidency. they want you to ignore the mass unemployment, the disruptions to every aspect of your life, the freezer trucks packed full of bodies. he wanted to know the final month of 2020 when trump attempted the first coup in our country's history, culminating in the deadly january 6th insurrection when he sixth a violent mob on the capitol. trump is now running to finish the job he started on january 6th. if he is elected, he will pick right back up where he left

off. he's not going to govern like it's 2019. he will govern like it is january 7th, 2021. with me tonight, my good friends, rachel maddow and alex wagner. it is great to have you here. >> i truly lost it when elise stefanik said that. i just thought are they really going to do this and are they confident enough that they can pull off the are you better ? it seems like even if you don't blame trump, even if you are just going to do are you better, we are all better off. >> even if donald trump had never been president, under joe biden right now, you got the best job market since the 1960s, unemployment below 4%, you've got the best economic recovery in the world. you've got more people with health insurance than ever before in american history. you've got violent crime at a 50 year low. if donald trump was still running as the former host of

the apprentice right now telling people that the biden years have been awful, haven't they, is a weird sell to a country that is experiencing life under joe biden that has all been right economic metrics. i do think covid-19 walloped everyone. but, i looked back and my coverage four years ago, when i saw that you flagged this. what i was talking about four years ago was mick mulvaney telling everybody that the liberal media has made up covid- 19 to make trump look bad. we could do that again, sure. put him back in there. >> i feel like you the hit on something that is not talked about enough, which is the way that we as a country have not dealt with the trauma of covid- 19. it is a seismic event in american life. who would want to go back to the fear and the death and disinfecting groceries. >> classic trauma response.

>> i made a photo album of that year because i was like i'm going to want to forget this and i need to remember that we were wearing masks outdoors. in that same time the joe biden ran for president. we can't forget that. the lessons from that campaign are totally different lessons than the one seems to apply in this situation. i was on the campaign trail with joe biden. there were a lot of mediocre events and then there were none. >> that's a good point. >> he is not a great campaigner. he has been a really effective resident. the dissonance between those two things has been compiled in your where he has to be a better campaigner and he's got to be something that is incredibly complicated, which is to get america to remember what life is like in the

rearview. we are not good at that in this country. we are good at moving forward, not asking questions about the past, not reconciling the transgressions and faults and just go west young man. >> mick mulvaney's campaign for all its faults, nikki haley cut montages of trump time in trumps presidency to remind people what it was like. i did see nikki haley do that. she is out as of today but that is something they can absolutely steal from her. she has tried to remind people about what the casket it was like, about what the chaos presidency was like. >> you could have reels of trump telling people to drink bleach and the cdc shaking their heads. it is staggering the mismanagement of one of the most seismically dramatic events in modern america. >> the other thing, so, i'm torn on this because i'm thinking about sort of i think we have extinguished 2020 from

our memories and many ways because it was traumatic. the other thing i think is really important for the biden campaign is a vision of the future. to think like to go back to what you are saying about following him on the trail, i could tell you the 2020 platform. it was to get covid-19 under control, it was to then begin bringing the economy out of the depths through investment in the middle class and through infrastructure and to rejoin paris and invest in clean energy and to restore our relationships. that is what they did. they said they were going to do it and they did it. i can't really tell you right now what the second term biden vision looks like it. i do think that is, when you talk about elections are about the future, americans are future oriented people, that strikes me, particularly going into the state of the union tomorrow, which is unveiling, i would be thinking about how that is. >> makes the state of the union important. i do think that it is always in an election year the kickoff of

the incumbent president's reelection campaign. hearing the positive vision rather than the here was all the reasons you don't want the republicans back in the white house. again, i think that is what we are going to get. so, we will see. it has to be said that it has been a remarkable few years of republican policy, particularly with the supreme court. reproductive rights, what is the democratic agenda on reproductive rights, to stop the republicans from doing more of what they've been doing. can you articulate that in a positive way ? maybe. change your verb tenses. really, it is about trying to stop what the republicans have done and what they are continuing to do, what the republicans have done and what they are continuing to do on democracy and the rule of law. there is a lot of stuff in terms of this very unusual republican party led by donald trump that the democratic party now exists to stop. that is a bulwark. it is a bulwark to say we don't want to radically cashier who we are out as a country to

become a strong man dictatorship. >> i was going to say i tend to agree, the republican mismanagement and leaning toward tyranny is so frequent, if you like the biden campaign distance to waft the fumes to the americans. i don't know why i am using a perfume metaphor. it is thinks. it is, and these are, we talk about bread and butter issues. bodily autonomy is a kitchen table issue. >> one of the things in 2022 was there was this debate about the messaging and a bunch of people said you need to focus on inflation. it is all people care about and you are talking about democracy and dobbs. joe biden did the expansion that was like his big capper. you could just, reams of commentators being like you are so out to lunch. that's a little bit of a weird

condescending thing that real people don't care about democracy. and, even one layer below that, working-class people don't care about democracy. like i don't think that is true. i think all kinds of people care about democracy, actually. that same debate is going to be service this year and i'm curious how you think about it. >> the inflation argument, the economic growth economic, the jobs argument, the wages argument, purchasing power, having health insurance, not being one health crisis away from bankruptcy, student loans, all that stuff, biden has a great story to tell on all of those things. >> a better story than he had in 2022. >> and it is a double-sided story because it is both what we are trying to do, what we have done, what we can brag about and look at what the republicans are doing. why isn't there more student loan forgiveness ? because the republicans have sued to stop it. all of those things have been

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rematch between president joe biden and donald trump is set, barring some unforeseen change. it is with remembering the last elections were one of the margins, all elections are one of the margins implement america. trumps 2016 electoral college win, he of course lots of the vote by millions of votes, was delivered by less than 78,000 votes across three key states. biden beat trump in 2020 in the aggregate in the popular vote by 7 million votes, which is a sizable majority but his victory hinged on about 150,000 votes across states including a margin of less than 12,000 in georgia. with 2024 very likely to also be one on the margins, steve kornacki is here to walk us through what sets of the voters will begin in november. steve. >> 244 days. to come down on. let's show you where we start right now. in anticipation of what we saw last night, a number of major pollsters over the weekend really released trump, biden

polls. they all put trump ahead by small margins here. one thing worth noting right away, as a starting point, this is very different from 2020. in 2020, there was not a single major national poll, the entire campaign start to finish that put trump ahead. starting at here, we have four just in the last few days. what is going on here? let's look inside the new york times siena poll. it has trump ahead by four points overhaul. this tells a big picture story but they asked for those who voted for trump in 2020 are you still with him? 97% said yes. same question of biden voters, only 85%. the difference between trump trailing and trump leading these polls is not slack in biden support. where does that come from, what is behind that and what should we be watching in terms of some key groups? this is not competent of but a few we can highlight right away. from the times siena poll, three groups, this is recent data from them just over the

weekend. we talked all through this republican primary season about the divided white college educated, white like so many trends in american politics, it is one that accelerated when donald trump emerged eight years ago. among white voters with college degrees, this is become a core democratic constituent. biden leads by at least 16 points. white voters without a college degree, that has become a big republican constituency, trump by 31 points over joe biden. then hispanic voters. we saw them in 2020 become more competitive as a demographic than they had been in 2016 or anytime in the recent past. they've got trump ahead by two

points among hispanic voters. this is 13% of the electorate give or take. trump leading by 2. the question is how different is this from what we saw in 2020? the best postelection data on how different groups broke in 2020, let's show it to you right here. you can see right away white voters with a degree, it was biden by 15 then. it is 16 and now. this looks the same. noncollege white, it was trump by 32, trump by 31 now. this looks the same. keep in mind, one of these groups ranges meaningfully in one way, that could have a huge effect on the elections given the size of each of these groups. starting out, we are where we were in 2020 with these groups. here's the change. look at this. 25 points for biden among hispanics in 2020, trump now leading by 2. if you want one election for the back to 2016, the clinton margin with hispanics was 38. that movement from democrats +38 to republicans +2 with 13% of the electorate is a big reason why trump is ahead in pulling right now and never let once in 2020. >> that is fascinating, steve, thank you very much. we will be continuing to depend on you a lot in the next 244 days. there something interesting about that last bit of data. eric blevins wrote an

interesting piece. you get this demographic freak out on the right like they are important voters and it's like i don't think those people, over are going to necessarily vote mean, you are doing more stereotyping of how people healthy right-wing movement in america. >> imagine if we were talking about internment camps and imagine what you could do if you set your mind to it. first of all, it has been really underreported the way in which this information has grown and spread on spanish- language media. the biden campaign started outreach to hispanic and black communities. they need to keep up that outreach. i was reading a tour de force profile in the new yorker of joe biden and he talked to sarah longwell of the bull work, which is if biden is not great at selling this, where are the surrogates? flood the zone.

everything from talk radio to social media to the main networks, everybody is saying the same thing over and over and over again. and the lies become true. here, the truth needs to be accepted as the truth and he needs so many ambassadors on his side saying that. >> i keep thinking exactly correct because you can't, i mean, the word media is because we are an intermediary. rings happen here and you are here and what our job is to do literally is to be like we are right in the middle. that is what we do, we mediate. that has collapsed to a degree that i, not us but generally out of there like i just don't know where anyone is getting their information. thought about last night, a voter real concerns. a real voter you can really talk to, health care. an iep for a kid. and it's like how voters are

connecting the dots like these are the things i care about and these are the candidates and i'm like even just the asics here is where they are on the issues, that to me is a big challenge. >> you are right that the mediating role of there being a formal media in between things that happen in the world and how people find about them, that is dissolving a little bit as we move to different forms and democratized forms of media. absolutely true. the other thing that is like less comfortable to talk about is that what is replacing it to a large degree is bad faith bad actors, disinformation. not misinformation, not people getting stuff wrong by accident. it is deliberate disinformation. that space in spanish-language media and english-language media and social media and all the other ways people access information online is absolutely toxic right now and deliberately so. it is not people trying hard and failing, it is bad actors

trying to destroy us as a country. and, the fact that that information space is leased almost not at all or is policed by actors who want that like elon musk, that is really, that is a national security problem for the united states. >> it is a democratic challenge. it is a short-term challenge for anyone trying to get any message out about what is going on. but, it is also, it is also just a profound, the environment in which this campaign is going to take place. i have to say haven't covered this, this is the worst i've seen that information environment since 2016, which is a bad year for that. and, to your point about surrogates and also the other thing like they are going to do a lot of paid media. where the paid media is going to go and it's going to reach and how the target will matter a lot. is going to be a lot of direct outreach to people that is going to matter a tremendous amount for precisely this reason. they need to make an incredible volume of content >> they need to make a lot of

content from 1 million different sources going 1 million different places and i don't looks good, it's funny, it's entertaining. that ability is often at odds with politics and policy and difficult to find a way to marry something that can go viral to a really important message that you need to spread ahead of time. >> is much easier to make stuff go viral when the message is our country is a disaster, it is being beset by a cabal of shadowy and all-powerful enemies, we need somebody to break the rules and to come in here and to take over with an iron fist and vanquish all of our country is, you know, that is something you can do virally very easily. the message that we are taking care of your student loans and we are going to be able to hold onto your health insurance and by the way, we are bringing inflation down and the job market is good, that is really hard to make saying. >> the republicans give a lot of fodder to the end of days

thesis. the fire and brimstone message biden could perpetuate that would not be untruthful. >> anytime you see a president whose approval rating is in the 38, 39, 40, 41, what it means is that that person is losing parts of their own coalition, their own voters. so when you saw that 87%, again, all these numbers like this is all guesswork, everyone, sampling has gone to in the world of polling. people are doing their best. but, there's enough aggregate data over time to show certain things. and, it looks to me like those kind of swing voters, the swing voters he won the first time are a key part of also finding out like you are the people that voted for him last time in that 13% and where are they now and why not is the most low hanging fruit and the most

clear strategy. >> the good thing is the information on voters, the data that we have with the right resources is pretty extra ordinary. they can find them if they want to find them. it's terrifying. it's very orwellian that they can find them. if you have confidence in their ability to find them. whether they can convince them, whether they can bring them back home again is an open question. but, i do think the stakes are so enormously high that the recruitment of compelling characters and interlocutors for this movement, that is the movement against tyranny to save american democracy, it shouldn't be that hard. >> that urgency i do think that one of the people, one of the things people keep pointing it is people are not to in yet and they are checked out. and joe biden has not been an omnipresent sort of person out of there in the world, certainly not what donald trump is, not in the way barack obama was. how do you see that? you are really focused on this question of the survival of american democracy and stitching together a popular front that will defend it. what is the project you seem,

when people like in ? >> the idea that wins is there is a super majority in american that is for democracy and it is a nonpartisan super majority of people who disagree with each other on 1 million different things. but, there's one thing that is a very clear choice in this election and it is between having a democracy and not. if you can get people to accept that basic idea, which is a popular front idea, if you can get people to see that chris hayes and liz cheney are in the same room for some reason and that might mean something, there's 1 million different dyads like that you can draw, i think that you can get to their.

this is an early time for republicans to lock up their money but this is about the time john mccain locked it up in 2008 and john kerry locked up in 2004 and al gore locked it up in 2000. there is this feeling when you get an early look up in the primary this campaign has a head of steam, they are going to carry this all the way to the fall. all three of those guys i mentioned lost in the fall. i think we should keep in mind what the timeline is. >> there's a lot of time and a country that fundamentally i agree with you. a lot of wood to child. rachel maddow, alex wagner. such a delight. >> let's do the union, jen psaki and claire mccaskill join me to talk about abortion, reproductive rights and the role they play in this upcoming election. election. . lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it.

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tomorrow, president and joe biden will give the state of the union address before what will likely be one of his biggest audiences before the november election. is going to and i imagine it need to make a big part of it about the most crucial and obvious differences between the two parties, between the two candidates in this campaign and that is a woman's right to control her own body and her own reproduction. now, anticipating this will be the case, how vulnerable they are on the issue, republicans

picked a woman seat in alabama, katie britt to deliver the response to the speech. in 2022, katie britt campaigned on her opposition to abortion, putting out the celebratory ad on the same day the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. >> i'm katie britt. as a pro-life mother of two, i know that life begins at conception. it is god-given and must be protected. that is why i fought to put president trump's pro-life justices on the supreme court. >> interesting. after the alabama supreme court used that logic in that ad, life begins at conception, also in the state constitution of alabama, they ruled frozen embryos should be considered children for the purposes of civil law. katie britt said ivf services should be protected. and, just in time for the state of the union address, alabama lawmakers are poised to pass a bill they say will do just that, trying to clean up the mess themselves that they made. reproductive rights advocates of the bill fails to address

the central problem, the court ruling that frozen embryos can be considered people under state law. make the mistake, republicans chose a senator katie britt precisely because they know how desperately reproductive rights, life beginning at conception, personhood bills that a majority of republican members of congress and the role that it plays in this campaign ? >> an enormous one. i think often it is undercounted and undervalued and we played this movie many times over and over and over again. leading up and 2022 and you were talking about this earlier in the show, leading up to special elections, it's like well, it is not going to be on the minds of voters, it's not going to turn out young voters but the truth is, there's a whole group of surge voters who didn't turn out in 2020, are not counted when you look at the new york times poll or that

is accounting for who is with trump and who is with biden still. those are votes the biden teammates to bet on and the key for them is reminding people that trump appointed three justices to the supreme court that not only killed roe v. wade, led to this ivf decision, is the basis for mifepristone potentially being banned. it will be a huge issue in this campaign. >> he was a result that is extremely heartening if you are the biden campaign thinking about what this election looks like. do you, who gets credit, blame, or neither for the overturn of roe v. wade? who did you give trump credit, 19% ? these are antiabortion folks, blame, 33%. neither, 48%. the neither is an enormous opportunity it seems to me for national democrats. >> it is hard to believe it is accurate. we have a person who lost to believes life begins at conception.

no exception for or and you are in violation of the law if you do anything that might impede the implantation of a fertilized egg. that is the law in my state. that means iuds, forms of conception. the republicans will know, we are not going to go after contraception, that is exactly what they are going to do. a chilling video from the heritage foundation had a woman they're talking about out loud that conception, contraception is a problem, that that is something that we need to look at. and, trust me when i tell you this, when are not going to forget this issue. i know that the polling may not have it at the top of the list but especially in states where they have done this extreme legislating around women really most private and personal decisions and most painful decisions they are ever going to make. women would forget and it will help joe biden.

>> one of the things that has been tricky i think about this even in early part of the campaign when it was clear it was going to be trump and biden. unlike past campaigns, think that it's felt like they had to take positions on issues. where are you on this and he would say and then you defend that. trump does a lot of hand waving. everything is about it wouldn't happen if i was here. it has to play itself through. >> that is his position on israel and gaza. >> on abortion, i think he recognizes the political peril but also this is interesting, he's going to advocate a national ban. he's deciding what number he likes for the weeks. >> he likes an even number. >> take a listen to this. >> so more and more i'm hearing about 15 weeks. i haven't decided yet. i haven't agreed to any number. i'm going to see. we want to take an issue that

was very polarizing and get it settled and solved so everybody can be happy. >> everybody can be happy. jen, again, a national ban on abortion is what will happen if there is a republican trifecta, no question. it seems like every voter on each side of the issue, if that's what you want, everyone should be crystal clear what that choice is. >> correct. as claire was alluding to, and abortion ban, one opposed by the majority of the country, it is also a gateway to banning contraception, to banning iuds, to banning ivf. this is what the objective is of with them in your professional life. the smart play, i sometimes worry they will pull this off partly because of the control trump has, would be for the

antiabortion extremists and zealots and the people pushing for a national ban to basically just zip it for the whole election and be like it's fine, whatever, whatever he says. i don't think they are going to do that. >> the camp. they are not capable. this is, the zealotry around this issue in terms of those people who are advocating for these extreme positions, they really do. >> it is a religious fervor. they would never, this is sacrosanct to them. that's not going to happen. if in fact the republicans, if katie britt believed we should protect ivf, white arm republicans blocking the bill in the senate? by the way, introduced by a woman who was injured so significantly in combat as a blackhawk helicopter pilot in the military that ivf is her only option to have children and she has two beautiful

daughters, tammy duckworth. the woman from mississippi says i object. let the women get out there and do this. this is particularly disgusting by the republican party. >> it is remarkably cynical and obvious. because they believe in it, which is important for everyone to understand, the people that are pushing this, it is not bad faith, they are not doing it for the money, it is not some corrupt bait and switch, they are in there, they want abortion banned everywhere all the time. they believe in that deeply. you've also got the majority of the house republican caucus on this personhood bill that is essentially the exact logic of the alabama supreme court ruling. >> micah johnson, read the fine print of the things you are signing onto and pushing forward well you are saying you are for ivf. i do think there is an element of this, which is bad, i guess. a lot of these men in congress don't understand what ivf is.

disgusting and a. ice on it. they have been pushing and sponsoring a bill banning mifepristone as well. they are actively pushing bans on contraception and means of women making choices about their own bodies. it is not changed in congress. to your point, they are continuing to push it forward. the point person on all of these is josh hawley's wife. former clerk of the supreme court and she is doing all of this work behind the scenes to cut off women's rights to basic health care. >> jen psaki, claire mccaskill, great to have you both. up next, then there were two. of the presidential field narrows, so does the important arizona senate race. congressman ruben gallego joins me on his election denying opponent, next. nying o

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gallego, an iraq war veteran. in case you missed the news yesterday, sinema, the former democrat turned independent announced she's dropping out of the race and leaving the senate . because of jubilation of liberals everywhere but she could be replaced by something even worse kari lake ran for governor in 2022 and fell very shy of almost pulling it off. gallego represents much of phoenix. he joins me now, his first national tv interview since sinema announced she was out of the race. good to have you with us. >> i don't know if i can say i was surprised or not surprised,

the way we operated this campaign from day one was that we are going to win, no matter who we are running against, and operated in that manner by going out to arizona, and going to some of the hardest places to reach, talking to voters who had been reached out to in a while, went to urban latino voters, some of the hardest reaches, places to reach when it comes to native american voters and we spoke to them about the issues they care about every day. so i had confidence whether or not senator sinema ran or any other person ran , that we took this approach that it was going to be a winning approach. and, i still feel that way. and i very much think, i think senator sinema for her career, we may have not agreed on everything when it comes to our approaches about politics but she did great work for arizona and i look forward to working with her in the future. >> your opponent, kari lake ran

statewide two years ago, she came close to winning, a former newscaster, that's my >> in her mind, she is still running, she sometimes declares herself the shadow governor of arizona. >> one of the things that happened and people may not recall this, after a number of republicans lost races, there was a question about whether anyone would attempt to pull a trump and basically say that you were robbed and really, kari lake is the only one who really tried to do it. >> she tried to trump trump. it was very impressive. >> and i think she even entered into litigation. her position is still that she won the election? >> she is still in litigation. i think it's quite ridiculous. there were two other republicans who actually won statewide on the ballot against her, they actually won more

votes than she did. the republicans that went and voted for two other statewide republicans who decided not to vote against her because they did not find her an attractive candidate. and yet, she continues the litigation which obviously cost the taxpayers money but this is costing people some personal, you know, actual personal issues. we have elected officials that get death threats that aren't running for office anymore because kari lake continues to deny the outcome of the 2020 election, to this day. and i say, to this day, she actually just recently, actually yesterday, rejected again, the outcome of the 2020 election and the 2022 election, and the rotunda of the senate. so she's not moving, she's not changing, she is participating in the same election denialism that donald trump engaged in, and is continuing to be a danger to our democracy.

>> to specific policy questions. one, it's about legislation that sinema, the current senator was key in negotiating which was, the border legislation negotiated with republicans that was then immediately killed i donald trump and mike johnson. would you vote for that, if it did make it over to the house? >> i was public about this, yes, i would support it. you know, we have to recognize that we are in a divided government. we are not going to get everything that we want. there were some good elements to the bill, for example, the afghan resettlement act was very important, there was elements to bring in more workers through a visa program. it also was really dealing with the issue at the border, when

it comes to the border communities that are very affected by our breakdown in immigration that's been happening for all administrations, so there are order communities that are hurting, just trying to keep up with the broken immigration system. so this is a very good, response, it wasn't perfect. i think we have to accept that. but it's really indicative that kari lake didn't even read the bill, she just rejected it outright and encouraged republicans to reject it outright because donald trump said to rejected, not because it was a bad bill but it was a bad bill against their politics. and so the difference between me and kari lake is that i'm going to really work for arizona, solutions. she's going to work for whatever donald trump once and that's not what we need in arizona. >> final question, the president will be offering a state of the union tomorrow. what are you telling arizona voters about the agenda that you see, to be part of, to join the senate and have a

democratic majority and democratic president? >> we need to talk about a freedom agenda. freedom for women, to control their bodies. the fact that we are about to potentially elect a president who appointed the justices that overturned roe v wade and turn back the clock when it comes to you know, women having control over their lives, again, i think it's something that we cannot discount. so that is step one. if you elect donald trump and kari lake they will push again for justices on the supreme court, they will assure that roe v wade will continue to be not the law of the land. number 2, freedom, real, economic freedom. we have done a lot of work in this administration to bring down the cost of prescription drugs, bring down the cost of insulin, and continue to do other great work