"morning joe" starts right now. over the weekend, trump was speaking at a rally when he stumbled over a few words. take a look at this. >> we are a nation that recently heard that saudi arabia and russia will we be -- oh. [ laughter ] >> what? wa da ba. >> trump turned into the spice girls. zigga say ah. sounded like his brain got a flat. to make it seem like he made to say that, they made the new campaign slogan. trump '24. oh ba. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, march 5th. happy super tuesday, guys. with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too

early," bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. >> i liked it. >> do it every morning. >> john heilemann is here. why are you here so early? >> i don't know. >> that's a lot for us at 6:00. >> me rolls in from the club. >> works out well. >> it's like super tuesday, starting on a super note. >> i have to prepare emotionally for heilemann to be in the room. >> wow. >> bbc news' katty kay is with us, as well. so important it is super tuesday. i have an announcement to make, personal. hopson is an emotional support dog. i know you love him, joe, except for the humping problem. >> wow. >> how do you stop that? >> some dogs can't be stopped from that. >> i -- joe was still getting his mic on, so i was helping you

out. congratulations, hopson. >> gosh. >> you could have stretched just a little bit less on that. >> he's a good dog. i just do want some advice on that. >> no, no. sweetheart, i may talk a lot -- hey, sweetie? >> rapid turn. >> i may talk a lot, but i want you to know -- >> what comes out of my mouth scares you? >> it's the things that i don't say that have kept me on the air here now for 16 years. >> this is a very -- no, this is not just specific. a lot of dogs suffer from this problem. >> okay. so, willie, super tuesday today, the stakes, well, they just couldn't be any lower. take us through it. >> you know, the word that comes to mind, joe, on this super tuesday is not the one mika raised which totally derailed

the show. it is anti-climax, i think it is fair to say. >> no doubt about it. >> donald trump expected to roll through the states. joe biden unopposed, as well. i'm going to power through right here. watch this. voters -- >> can we throw in -- >> let's get to something else. >> willie, they'll go to the polls, but they're going to wake up tomorrow on hump day for the week. >> oh! we didn't need that. >> we were starting to recover. [ bell ringing ] >> there we go. >> anyway, just come out of it. >> take us through. >> you sucked us back in. sorry. 16 states and one u.s. territory, the american samoa also on the board for super tuesday. >> thank you. >> caucuses in 15 states, 865 delegates up for grabs. donald trump expected to sweep all the states.

trump beat nikki haley by 70 points in north dakota. trump will likely be awarded all 29 of the delegates. in an interview with rsbn last night, conservative media company, donald trump expressed confidence heading into the vote, while nikki haley made her case to voters at a packed rally in ft. worth. >> if you're watching, go out and vote. it's not haley, she's not a problem. i think she is very negative for the party, but she's not a problem in terms of winning because we're winning by a lot. the only place we expected to lose was d.c. because that's the swamp. tomorrow, we could very well win every state in record numbers. that's what we're hoping for. they call it super tuesday for a reason, and i think it is going to be record setting. i think. i hope so. >> republicans lost the vote on mayorkas. they lost the vote on israel. the rnc chair lost her job. donald trump had his fingerprints on all of it.

at some point, maybe, we should say, the reason that america keeps losing is because of donald trump. we can change all of that. but in order to change it, it is going to take a lot of courage. courage from everybody here. courage for me to run. courage for every one of you to know, don't complain about what happens in a general election if you don't vote in this primary. we are blessed to live in america. and we know that america is better than this. now, we have to do something about it. so this is what i will tell you. tomorrow, you have a job to do. i need you to vote. and i need you to take ten people with you. >> i'll tell you this, john heilemann, just watching nikki haley and watching her grow on

the campaign trail, again, mika and i have known her since she was a state legislator. she was pretty darn good as a legislator as far as her skill set as a politician. but watching that nikki haley on stage and understanding that she's running in donald trump's party, i just can't help but look at that person and think, if she were to run as an independent candidate and access all 50 states, which, of course, i don't think she could, you know, that person, that message could do better than ross pirro, especially this year. that is somebody who could actually be a contender as an independent candidate. >> i don't know. i mean, there's obviously been -- there's a chunk of voters who are, as we know, vastly dissatisfied with the choice at the top of the presumptive tickets, right?

you also have this growth in the independent segment of the electorate. there's been a lot. the last 20, 30 years, we've seen this intense polarization. there hasn't been much space for, you know, 40%, 42%, 43% on one side or the other, didn't matter if there was candidates they liked, there wasn't space for a third party. no one opined for it. hyperpolarized climate, the parties were generally satisfied with their respective candidates. this is a different situation. joe, we're in new territory in terms of voter unsatisfaction with trump and biden, you might be right. the question isn't what would happen if nikki haley were to be an independent candidate or third party candidate. the interesting question is what would have happened, which is a question that will haunt a lot of people on the republican side, what would have happened if she had found her way to the

clarity she's found and the strength she's found, the voice she's found, whatever you want to call it, if she'd found this position not in january of this year but a year ago january or a year ago june, in june. if she'd been doing this, not necessarily this good but this clear about the space she occupied in the republican party, how much more of a challenge -- >> she was trying for vice president then, i think. >> she has toggled between kind of trump's skeptic and trump admirer for her career since trump has been on the scene. if she'd been in this place and consistently campaigned this way from the middle of last year, how much closer would the republican nomination fight have been? she found clarity way too late, and i think that's the question that hovers over what might have been and, in some sense, what happens in the future. there are still a lot of people who wonder, what will happen to nikki haley, whether she'll have this clarity after she leaves the race, whether it's tomorrow

or some other day soon to come. >> yeah. >> well, and perhaps after -- sorry, willie. perhaps, willie, after she -- after this race, after the general election, if donald trump loses again, then she has a great argument. if donald trump wins, of course, it's a completely different situation. you know, the thing is, willie, a lot of people made calculations. nikki haley and ron desantis and others, that they could ignore donald trump, push him aside. that they could pat his followers on the head. that alvin bragg or some other prosecutor was going to take care of donald trump. that's why they didn't do it a year before. i must say, if somebody were running against a democrat in a democratic primary that was suitably damaged, they probably would try to ignore that democrat and chart their own path. so it has been a very tortured run, but there's always been

this lane. i don't know how big the lane is. liz cheney would tell you, and adam kinzinger would tell you, not very big. i'm not so sure if you just came forward from the very beginning with the strong conviction, i can win. this guy can't, i'm not so sure she wouldn't be doing better right now. but we are where we are, and this is actually a strong message. she'll probably lose everything tonight, but i don't think she's playing for tonight. she's playing for tomorrow. she's looking over the horizon. >> she may have a future. i guess the question is, would it have mattered? we'll never know. if she had done what john suggests last year and come out stronger and not used the vagaries of kicking sideways and no one knew what any of that meant, trying to have it both ways and keep donald trump's supporters, maybe that would have made a difference. also, maybe it wouldn't have. maybe this is just donald trump's party, and the loyalists are so strong in his corner, it

wouldn't have mattered. we won't know. it is strange to be sitting here on the morning of super tuesday, something we've covered so many times before, and really to have no drama whatsoever. not to say, okay, is this candidate going to steal this state or that state? it's just trump expected to roll through the 15 states. i guess the question is, will nikki haley drop out tonight or tomorrow morning? will she hang in for a couple more weeks? it'll still be two more weeks before donald trump technically secures the nomination, in terms of the number of delegates. here we are, just rolling toward this general election now as we turn the corner to a state of the union and everywhere. this feels like a milestone week where we can see the candidates going head-to-head. >> the general election is upon us as of this week. president biden going to have a clean sweep on the democratic side. republicans, nikki haley's team suggests maybe they have a shot at vermont but probably not. therefore, trump could win everything there, too. what's next to haley? could she drop out tonight? is there an event later this week in her home state? also, she, herself, all along

said i'm in this through super tuesday. she left the door open to staying in longer. maybe until trump mathematically becomes the nominee or beyond that, that she wouldn't suspend her campaign. trump's first criminal trial is three weeks away. maybe she tries to suggest something could happen at the convention. she wants to keep her options open. she campaigns to truism and when they run out of money. for now, haley has enough money to keep this going for a while. what she has done, though, is she has displayed trump's vulnerabilities. even though she's only won one contest, the one in washington, d.c., she's put up a fairly impressive size of the vote in a couple states. new hampshire, south carolina among them. and revealed some concerns for trump going forward. issues he's going to have to address come november. we've seen these polls where a lot of haley supporters say, i'll never back donald trump even if he is the nominee. i'll either vote for joe biden

or stay home. as long as she stays in the race and continues to deliver messages, the anti-trump messages, she's delivering them to audiences who wouldn't otherwise hear them. she's been covered on conserve ty media who would never play joe biden. >> another thing is turnout. yes, donald trump has a big win in iowa, but the turnout is tiny. he gets 50% of the turnout. north dakota, he won by 70 points. sounds like a big number. he got 1,800 total votes. >> wow. >> the margins will be huge, but people are not turning out for him in this primary season. >> i guess we'll learn a lot by what people do and how they're feeling from the results tonight. katty kay, to willie's point, that it is interesting there's just no drama heading into super tuesday, and pointing out that, on the republican side, one of the candidates is probably one of the most controversial candidates in the world.

yet, no drama. what are you watching tonight? >> nikki haley revealed two things. one thing, it is donald trump's party. it is his party, and nobody can make a dent on him. i don't know. if she'd gone for the chris christie lane right from the beginning, would it have helped her? would she have done better or worse? she made the calculation, clearly, that that was not an option to her. but she's also revealed his weaknesses. she's revealed his vulnerabilities. the number, you know, charlie sykes, our friend, and sarah, who i chatted to the other day, is making the calculation, how big is the lane? how big is the group of republicans who will never vote for donald trump? that's what i'll watch tonight with the exit polls. will we get a better sense of how many republicans there are who are voting in the primaries who like nikki haley, who like the message she started delivering robustly, and will never vote for donald trump? that'll give us the best indication for whether joe biden has this chance, a better

chance, because there are republicans who are going to vote. in the end, the election comes down to how many democrats won't vote for joe biden and how many republicans won't vote for donald trump? that's what elections like today's are going to show us. >> yeah. i will say, john heilemann, one of the things i'm looking for is what willie brought up. that's a turnout. because we do see every four years the turnout from parties, you know, it does make a big difference. how excited are they? how energized are they to get out and vote? last night, can you believe you can win a republican contest, and trump is crowing about it, with 1,632 votes? most city council members in mid-sized towns get more than 1,632 votes. >> wow. >> again, we keep going back to

iowa. 14% of republicans in iowa voted. that's 14% of about a third of registered voters in iowa. he got 50% of the 14% of the 33%. you keep going on and on, and he ends up with about 50,000 votes and wins the storied iowa caucuses. these numbers are way down. there are a lot of republicans that are disaffected by donald trump. if they're voting for him, they're doing it holding their nose. >> yeah, i'd say, joe, that number, i think that's from north dakota you mentioned there. it's like there are probably some condominium association votes in the state of florida that are bigger than that. >> oh, yeah. >> so, yes, look, what's been revealed, i think, in this period or two things. one about each party. on the democratic side, joe biden has a problem with

democratic voters in the sense that he lacks enthusiasm among his pace. donald trump is claiming the percentage of people who voted for him last time around. joe biden has a problem with people who voted for him last time around and drifted away. he has to get the people back. donald trump has 98% of the people who voted for him last time, but the pool is shrinking. on the republican side, there is an enthusiasm problem. having been in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, the lack of enthusiasm in all those contests for donald trump outside of his core base is palpable. it is less than it was in 2020. it's less than it was in 2016. you can feel it, that people in the republican party are more acquiescent to trump than enthusiastic, and that'll be a problem. he needs every single person if he wants to be the nominee and win in november. still ahead on this super

tuesday, steve kornacki will join us at the big board with a look at what he is watching today. up next in 60 seconds, we're going to get to the new supreme court ruling that donald trump cannot be kicked off colorado's primary ballot. we're back in just one minute. emergen-c crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back. and who doesn't love a good throwback? ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) emergen-c crystals.

the supreme court unanimously ruled that colorado isn't allowed to remove trump from the 2024 ballot. out of habit, trump immediately appealed the decision. this is a -- oh, wait a minute. >> that's right. the supreme court ruled that states cannot keep trump off their ballots, which means the supreme court remains the only place where trump can win the popular vote. >> yes, the supreme court knows you can't just let states decide who goes on their ballots. states are too busy deciding that life begins in the freezer section. next to the pearl onions. >> yeah, okay. i don't know.

i didn't like that one. but it's true. >> yeah, tough crowd. >> okay. donald trump will remain on the ballot despite efforts in some states to make him ineligible for the 2024 election. the supreme court yesterday unanimously rejected the ruling from colorado's supreme court that removed the former president from the ballot based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. now, the justices ruled that a patchwork of decisions around the country could send elections into chaos if state officials had the freedom to determine who could appear on the ballot. the decision makes clear that it is up to congress to enforce the insurrectionist clause against federal office holders and candidates, but the three liberal justices accused their conservative colleagues of going too far, by ruling congress must enact new legislation in order to ban a presidential candidate. they wrote that this decision

will make it harder to bar, quote, an oathbreaking insurrectionist from becoming president. >> let's bring into the conversation former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg. chuck, which was wide expected. i don't know if it was expected to be unanimous, but it is at 9-0. conservative justice amy coney barrett wrote a concurrence, critical of some pieces of her colleagues' ruling on this. this talks about federal office holders, which is to say, the state does not have the right to keep a federal candidate off the ballot. it can do that with state candidate and local candidates but not federal. are you surprised at all by anything you saw in the decision yesterday? >> not really, willie. with one asterisk. if you listened to the oral argument last month, it was pretty clear the vote was going to be lopsided, 8-1, 9-0. turned out to be 9-0. to prohibit states from determining the qualifications

for candidates for federal office. so the 9-0 vote didn't surprise me very much. there was, as you noted, a concurring opinion and a disagreement, not just the three so-called liberal justices, but justice amy coney barrett, as well, who thought the majority on the court went a bit too far. a bit too far, willie, by deciding a question not before them, which was, how do you give effect to the disqualification clause to the 14th amendment? the one mika described. do you have to do it through legislation? five justices said yes. four said you don't need to reach that question. but on the core question, the most important question, it was a 9-0 vote, prohibiting states from determining whether or not someone can stand for federal office. >> so conservative columnist

david french writes about the decision in a piece for "the new york times," "the supreme court just erased part of the constitution." here's part of it. "as of monday, march 4, 2024, section 3 of the 14th amendment of the constitution is essentially a dead letter, at least as it applies to candidates for federal office. now, section 3 is different from other sections of the amendment. it requires federal legislation to enforce its terms, at least as applied to candidates for federal office. through inaction alone, congress can effectively erase part of the 14th amendment. the supreme court has effectively replaced a very high bar for allowing insurrectionists into federal office, a super majority vote by congress, with the lowest bar imaginable, congressional inaction. the fact that congress has not acted should not effectively erase the words from the

constitutional page. chaotic enforcement of the constitution may be suboptimal. but it's far better than not enforcing the constitution at all." what do you make of that, joe? >> well, i was going to ask chuck, his opinion on david french's insights. chuck? >> joe, i read it this morning. i read his article, and he makes a really important point. that congress, by doing absolutely nothing, which is absolutely what they do best, has essentially stripped the disqualification clause from operation, right? they've essentially rendered it moot. here's the problem. by going too far, the supreme court has really limited the ways in which someone can be disqualified. you need congress to pass federal legislation. now, amy coney barrett and the three so-called liberal justices would have said something different. a, we don't have to decide this. b, there might be other ways for

congress or federal courts to breathe life into the disqualification clause. i think david french's article is an important one to read. like i said, i read it myself. i even understood it, which doesn't happen all that often, but he's right. it's essentially become a nullity. the ability to keep an insurrectionist from the ballot turns on congress acting, and as we discussed earlier, that's what congress does worse. >> you know, willie, this underline as point that we, at times, have said, about what could have happening on the left. the criticisms of alvin bragg bringing a case under a new theory or sort of piecing things together in a way that make constitutional scholars uneasy on both sides. in this case, you have the supreme court lurching too far to the right, making, as david french said, this part of the

14th amendment a dead letter. you could also raise a lot of the same questions which we need to do about some of the state cases, as well. right now in futon county, there's a mess down there with the prosecutor. what happens if there is a prosecutor in west texas that wants to, you know, charge the next democratic president? these are all questions that do need to be raised. we've been raising them on one side, on is there overreach on the left that will impact future democratic presidents. here, you have overreach, it seems, by a conservative supreme court who, well, let's just face it, that's what they've been doing best over the past year or so. overreach by the supreme court in a way that, again, has nullified, effectively, as david french said, nullified an extraordinarily important clause in the 14th amendment. >> yeah.

that's why it was interesting to see the concurrence from the liberal members of the court and amy coney barrett saying to her colleagues, guys, we need to turn down the temperature, not turn it up and create more chaos in the system. while voting with the majority, of course, unanimous, critical in some ways of the specifics of the ruling. that's the legal side of it, john. let's talk about the politics for a second. i think we all have heard from some democrats and maybe people working on other campaigns, saying this was worth pursuing, but perhaps even a little relief that it turned out this way. >> yes. >> if he's kept off the ballot, it gives him rocket fuel for the next eight months to say, the biden administration, the justice department, et cetera, everything he likes to say, is trying to strip away your right to vote, to keep me off the ballot. they say, we can beat him in colorado. put him on the ballot. >> a sigh of relief from democrats yesterday. the idea being, if a few blue states had taken him off the ballot, yes, it'd fuel his grievances, his deep state

conspiracies, and would fire up the enthusiasm. chaos is the right word. they were right to rule the way they did. a lot of campaigns would concur on that. donald trump, of course, appeared yesterday at mar-a-lago and praised the decision. chuck rosenberg, we also heard trump talk about the other matter about to be in front of the supreme court, that of presidential immunity. oral arguments are scheduled for next month. give us your latest thinking as to how those arguments could go and, most importantly, when we'll hear from the justices in terms of their decision. that will impact whether or not any of these trials happen before the election. >> let me start with the when, jonathan. the argument in the supreme court on the question of presidential immunity for a criminal process is april 22nd. the supreme court term ends at the end of june. so we will certainly have a decision, or we should have ae a decision the end of june,

though it could be quicker. the amendment clause took four weeks. no later than the end of june, we should have a decision. i'm still bullish. i may be the last person on the planet who believes this case could be tried before the election. the january 6th insurrection case in federal course in washington. the sooner the supreme court makes a decision, the clearer it will be, whether or not we can have the trial. to your first question, jonathan, mr. trump lost decisively in the district court and, again, decisively and unanimously in the court of appeals on the immunity question. it's clear, a president is not immune, perhaps in narrow cases involving certain acts. trying to thwart a fair and free

election cannot possibly be a fair act. the sooner the supreme court gets to the decision, the better we'll know whether or not we can have a trial before the election. i still think we can. i may be the last person on the planet, but i'm somewhat bullish. >> okay. former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg, thank you very much for coming on the show. coming up on "morning joe," we'll bring the latest developments out of the middle east as vice president kamala harris continues to press for a cease-fire in gaza. plus, president emeritus from the council of foreign relations, richard haass, is joining the conversation. "morning joe" is coming right back. with so many choices on booking.com there are so many tina feys i could be. so i hired body doubles to help me out. splurgy tina loves a hotel near rodeo drive.

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the u.s. is expected to drop more aid into gaza soon. president biden posted about expanding air deliveries by air, land, and sea, but the white house hasn't shared exact details on timing. the u.s. dropped 38,000 ready-to-eat meals over central gaza other the weekend. meanwhile, vice president kamala harris is pushing israel to pause the fighting in gaza. harris emphasized the need to secure a hostage deal and get more aid into the strip during a meeting with israeli war cabinet member benny gantz yesterday. according to the white house, the two discussed the situation in rafah. harris wants a humanitarian plan before israel launches a major military operation. gantz is expected to continue these discussions today with secretary of state antony blinken.

gantz is a political rival to benjamin netanyahu. his visit to the white house could signal wider cracks between the white house and the israeli government. reporters asked gantz yesterday if the white house should deal with him instead of netanyahu, but gantz responded, quote, "no, israel has a prime minister, and everything is okay." joining us now, president emeritus on the council of foreign relations, richard haass. he is author of the weekly newsletter, "home and away," available on substack. i would argue everything is not okay, joe, in the israeli government, losing support around the world. >> israel is obviously losing support in the united states, losing support around the world, and right now, i think perhaps most importantly for them in the long run, they're losing support among their arab neighbors.

richard, there is a real urgency, and i know you've spoken with arab neighbors and leaders and diplomats around israel, as have i over the past few weeks. they keep saying, the clock is ticking. we have to resolve this crisis. we want to help. we want to help in gaza. we want to help you toward a two-state solution. but the killing of civilians has to stop. the famine, the coming famine has to be averted. all of these things suggest a fierce urgency of now that perhaps benjamin netanyahu and too many in the israeli government just do not understand. >> yeah. joe, it's hard to talk about this without almost noting the tragedy or irony of it. for decades, what was israel's goal?

it was to gain acceptance in the region. it was to get the arab countries to basically see israel, not as a western implant, but as part of the region. that was happening. you had all sorts of countries normalizing. most important, you had saudi arabia, critical in the arab world, critical in energy, and critical in the islamic world, on the cusp of doing that. what's happening now, and you eluded to what arab leaders are frustrated about, is what israel is doing is, in some ways, radicalized another generation of young arabs who, six months ago, didn't care much about the palestinians. they were open to economic and other interactions with israel. all of that has been put on hold or even reversed. like it or not, these arab leaders, even though that are authoritarian, have to take into account the public opinion, even in authoritarian countries you can't ignore it. israel is essentially undoing what had been, for decades, its principle foreign policy or

national security goal. right now, relations with the palestinians are at a low and relations with the arab states have been frozen. this has really been, i would argue -- again, it's not over israel's right for self-defense. it is how israel has interpreted it and implemented it. i'd argue it's been counter productive from any and every consideration. >> you look at the pictures we've been watching over the past month, and you understand. the israeli people, many should understand with bitterness that this is exactly the way hamas wanted this to play out. just commit unspeakable acts of terror, promote -- or provoke netanyahu's government to overreach in a way the united states did after september 11th. and raise their standing.

raise hamas' own standing in gaza where hamas was fairly unpopular before this. raise their own standing across the middle east. raise their own standing in the united states. willie, that's exactly what happened. you know, on the surface, the initial reaction from some israeli leaders and israelis may be, well, hamas did this to us. we have to continue the attacks for our long-term security. we've gotten to a point now where continued attacks of civilians, continued killing of civilians undermines israel's long-term security. this isn't even a close call. you know, i'm saying this as a conservative that believes israel has a right to protect itself, has a right to be secure. but what they are doing is undermining their support in the united states. we can show -- we showed the

polls just about every day. undermining their support among arab nay poors that just entered into peace treaties with them over the past few years, undermining their support across the world. >> yeah, when you consider the truth, that hamas is a terrorist death cult, and reminded the world of that on october 7th, this is precisely what it wants. you don't know more evidence than to know it hides in schools, hospitals, and behind civilians, because the death of a civilian in gaza, they view as a victory because it hurts israel. that's the way they calculate it. richard, on this question of the cease-fire. short-term cease-fire we keep hearing about. president biden raised it two weeks ago ahead of the michigan primary. perhaps didn't turn up. we heard a couple days ago israel has all but signed onto a temporary cease-fire. waiting for hamas to iron out a few details. vice president harris calling for that, a six-week cease-fire, again yesterday. are we ever going to see this, or is this wishful thinking?

>> i'm in the minority here. i'm skeptical hamas wants the cease-fire. we're less than a week away from the beginning of the holy month of ramadan. if you're hamas, what would you like? you wouldn't mind there being pictures of people trying to get mosques or people praying and being attacked, or this being the imagery in the arab world during ramadan. so i actually don't think it's, shall we say, a slam dunk that hamas goes along with the cease-fire. part of me thinks they're actually hoping, and that would be consistent with, as you both were saying, with everything up until now. this is station identification for hamas. they want to show that only they can deliver. only they are the real defenders of the palestinian cause. think how different today would be if israel on october 8th had taken a breath, allowed this to play out, put the focus on hamas, the sexual depravity, the killing of individuals, and gradually and quietly went after

this leader or that leader, kept the focus on hamas rather than put the focus on itself? it seems to me that this has been a colossal mishandling. this was an opportunity to isolate hamas, show it for what it is, its dna. put something out there politically. you could have said, here's a better way. if you really care about palestinians, hamas, they just want dead palestinians, here's a better way to go. i actually think this was strategically, every step of the way, a total loss or misguided. understandable but all the same, counterproductive response, willie. >> absolutely. >> understand why it happened that way. >> sure. >> because you had benjamin netanyahu who had just told qatar three weeks earlier to keep funding hamas. you had benjamin netanyahu and donald trump who knew about hamas' secret funding in 2018, and they refused to do anything to break it up.

this is the same benjamin netanyahu whose government had the attack plans for one year before the terrorist attacks came. this is the same benjamin netanyahu that had divided his country apart by going to war against the rule of law and had extraordinarily low approval ratings even before the attack. this is the same benjamin netanyahu who has indictments leveled against him and knows if he leaves office, he is going to face the music in courtrooms across israel. this is the same benjamin netanyahu that knows, richard, that sort of response was a response he did not have the ability to project. because he knew that if there was a pause, if it was measured, if they went about it in a way

that would kill hamas leaders while continuing to have the world see these horrid pictures of october 7th, and actually build up support for israel and the israeli people and the cause of israel, katty kay, he knew he wouldn't survive. because that pause would also show that it was benjamin netanyahu that funded hamas through qatar. it was benjamin netanyahu that allowed the funding of hamas to continue from 2018 forward. it was the same benjamin netanyahu that had the secret war attack plans for a year. it was the same benjamin netanyahu that was asleep at the switch and was so obsessed with the west bank and illegal settlements there, that, well, he kept the gates open, basically, to the raping and the killing. katty, we didn't even get to the fact it took five, six, seven,

eight, ten hours for netanyahu to get his army and get the police down to protect these people or to try to save some of these women's lives. >> yeah, and by the way, that's the one fact i keep hearing from friends and colleagues and people i speak to in the middle east. who say, why did it take the israelis so long? >> why? >> it's been used as a conspiracy theory in arab countries, in the arab street, to say, actually, was this something the israelis allowed to happen in order to attack hamas in gaza? of course, that's not true, but this is an area of the world where conspiracy theories run rampant. i think it exposed the vulnerabilities of the idf, of the netanyahu government. look, this is the same netanyahu who, all those things you pointed out, joe, of what happened before the attack. has he changed at all since the attack? not one bit. he is the same netanyahu who allowed the -- who has done nothing to rein in the settlers

in the west bank which stoked tensions in the west bank. he's done nothing to say, let's look at the two-state solution, knowing that is part of the big picture deal that needs to be done in order to have saudi/israeli security arrangements. he hasn't allowed food aid into gaza. he hasn't done as much as the americans have asked at all in terms of trying to protect civilians in gaza. all of the things that the white house, no wonder benny gantz is in washington today. all of the things that the white house has asked netanyahu to do, to try to protect civilians in gaza but also, frankly, to try to protect israel's own security in the long term, netanyahu has decided not to do. he's thrown cold water in the faces of washington. now, the question for the white house as it meets benny gantz this week is, what do they do? do they go to the u.n. and vote for a cease-fire? do they do what richard is suggesting? do they start attaching

conditionality to american weapons? it's not just the middle east that's fronting this. increasingly, american voters, younger american voters are asking the white house to do more, as well. >> that's the key there, the next generation. richard, i'll take katty's point to you. has there been any answer to the question about the response time to october 7th? many times, we and many others who have asked have been told, if i may, condescendingly, it's not the time to ask. when is? it's not a big country. why did it take seven hours? >> look, what the government wants to do out of self-interest is push off any investigations. that's the position of, you know, the prime minister. we're too busy fighting this war. we don't have the luxury of doing this. the other day, there was an article in the israeli press about how the israeli intelligence had hours of warning, basically six or seven hours before the attack. over 1,000 hamas fighters had

substituted different sim cards into their phones. they had strategic warning something was up, and they didn't scramble to defend areas against them. my guess is, there's going to be a big issue, not just the timing of the investigation, mika, who carries it out, but what are the terms of reference? is it how much do you look at the intelligence, the military response time? how independent is the commission? what access do they have to people and intelligence? there's going to be a major debate about what is this investigation looking like? there's precedence, particularly the 1973 war, but the timing, the terms of reference, the independence, all of that is being pushed down the road. obviously, it'll be politically embarrassing for the israeli intelligence and military establishment. >> because of the domestic politics in israel matter to the world and u.s. relations, two related questions. the question of when political accountability, when the bill was going to come due for netanyahu as someone who has

been a controversial figure not just abroad but at home for quite a long time, when is that bill going to come due? is this finally the moment? we don't know exactly when, but this is going to, in one way or another, eventually lead to the unraveling of netanyahu's prime ministership, and is benny gantz the next prime minister of israel? >> on the former, maybe not. this war has a ways to play out in gaza. i think there's a respectable chance or all too high chance this expands to the north. 80% of israelis still can't live in their homes. that is not a tenable situation for any israeli government. the possibility this war spreads to the north can't be extended. right now, benny gantz is a possibility, but i think people have been underestimating -- like, bibi netanyahu is a survivor. he has more lives than a cat. there's a lot of self-interest, not just his own but collective self-interest, keeping him there. i wouldn't rule out the idea -- >> indictments. >> but he could -- look, you know, i think he is playing to

november at a minimum. i wouldn't necessarily bet the house against him. >> let's talk about the white house and how they've been handling this. as discussed, they've been pulling their punches on israel a bit. privately, pressure. publicly, the president hasn't broken with them. the vice president was pushing for a cease-fire, more aimed at hamas than israel. they're israel to let more aid go in there. after the first few weeks of the war, president biden really hasn't had much to say about this conflict at all. that'll change thursday night, state of the union. we know this is hurting him domestically. the politics has become bad for president biden in his own party. what does he has message need to be thursday? how should he reframe to the biggest audience he'll have all year this issue? >> say what israel is doing is not in israel's self-interest. he'll try to put on the table some elements of a political horizon for the palestinians. he'll talk about aid. i think the big difference, john, he is going to step up the

criticism. it'll be more in sorrow than in anger. that's where he is on this. he'll say, i'm the more pro-israeli person, but he is also, i think, going to say this is unacceptable. what is going on is not the israel he recognizes, not the israel he knows. he's looking at thursday night and also at a larger speech on the hill. he'll have however much percentage of the speech thursday night, but he's looking at a larger address where he walks through the issue and lays out an alternative path ahead. that's still being debated at the white house. >> richard haass, thank you very much for coming on this morning. still ahead, molly jong-fast says the republican party under donald trump has forgotten how to even pretend to be normal. she'll join us with more from her latest column. plus, donald trump ramps up the anti-immigrant rhetoric now, comparing migrants to hannibal

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welcome back to "morning joe." foggy day at reagan national airport in washington, d.c. time to get up and go to work. a lot of people already are. "the austin american statesman" is reporting on the decision to keep a border law from going into effect. monday, the court said it'd temporarily keep a hold on a texas law that empowers state law enforcement officers to detain and deport migrants entering or living in the u.s. illegally. the justice department called the law flatly inconsistent with the high court's past decisions, which recognized the power to admit and remove non-citizens lies solely with the federal

government. "the boston globe" is taking a look at how massachusetts is moving to cut funding for gambling addiction just a year after the state legalized online sports betting. governor healey's $56 billion budget plan includes a $6 million cut from that program that helps identify the harms of addictive betting and the research behind its effects. gamblers wagered nearly $5 billion on various online platforms since mobile sports betting became legal in the state. "the plain dealer" is reporting on the alarmingly high levels of flu cases in ohio. according to the cdc data released last week, the state has the highest level of flu activity in the nation. overall, there were 726 hospitalizations due to confirmed cases of influenza in

the state, up 15% from the previous week. this as er visits for flu symptoms continue to rise. and "the advocate" is covering louisiana's use of artificial intelligence to help scores of students get back on track after falling behind during the pandemic. as the state races to ramp up tutoring for students testing below grade level, it has struggled to find well-trained professionals to fill those roles. now, the state is turning to a.i. to fill the gaps at a fraction of the cost. while intensive human tutoring can run up to $3,000 per student, some a.i. tutoring programs cost as low as $20 per child. >> wow. let me just say, there are great examples of this. by the way, such great news. i have to say, willie, i'm not going to lie to you, covid

really set hopson back. >> what are you -- i was wondering where this was going. >> do you have the certificate? >> he had been trying to get through his classes to be an emotional support dog. >> he is a good boy. he's perfect. >> turn to a.i. >> here it is right here. >> it still hasn't really gotten him through. >> so cute. >> some of his worst behavior. >> no. >> some of his worst behavioral problems. >> he's perfect. >> i guess a.i., willie, can't fix that. >> joe, i filed a challenge. >> dogs are still dogs. >> i filed a challenge in federal court, and i think the supreme court will take it up. we won't hear it until june, challenging that certificate. i don't think he should have it based on some of the behavior you and mika described this morning. >> oh, no, he is very deserving. he is a good boy. he is so supportive. >> let's move for injunctive relief right now and just put that on hold.

>> no. >> man, he puts mika on hold often, and it's really -- [ laughter ] >> joe. >> it is distracting when you're trying to walk a dog through the neighborhood. >> joe, stop. >> or the woods. >> joe, let me tell you, this is such good news for us. he can come on our commercial flight and sit with us. >> can we show that? there is a reason we've got him on a tight leash here, willie. you have to pull that thing really tight. >> no. he's a good boy. he's perfect. >> like a shetland pony kicking out of the stall. >> mika got into the commercial break some of the specifics of the behavior you're describing kind of vaguely here. >> it is when joe hugs me. >> it's savage. >> just comes out. >> we may need a professional. >> i think so. >> okay. we've crossed over the top of the hour now. the bbc's katty kay is still with us, though right now -- >> barely. >> -- she wishes she weren't. >> yeah. >> joining the conversation, we have msnbc contributor mike

barnicle. president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. special correspondent at "vanity fair" and host of "the fast politics podcast," molly jong-fast, political analyst. >> she likes hopson. >> i do. >> okay. let's leave it there. willie, why don't you tell us what's going on in the news? sure. it is super tuesday, guys. >> happy super tuesday. major week in politics. >> you wouldn't know but it is super tuesday. voters going to the polls today. 16 states, one u.s. territory. 865 delegates are at stake. former president trump widely expected to sweep the races on the republican side. ahead of super tuesday, the former president continued to escalate his recent anti-immigrant rhetoric. in an interview yesterday with a far-right outlet, he likened foreign languages to something from outer space. >> we have languages that are,

like, from the planet mars. nobody knows how to, you know, speak it. then these students, and i'm not blaming them, i'm saying, they put the students in the place of our students, like in new york city. we have these wonderful students going to school. all of a sudden, they no longer have a seat. they're no longer invited to the school. we're putting migrants in who don't speak the language, have no idea what the teacher is saying, and we have children no longer going to school. they're coming from places unknown, and they're rough people. in many cases, from jails, prisons, from mental institutions, insane asylums. insane asylum, that's "silence of the lamb" stuff. hannibal lecter. anybody know hannibal lecter? we don't want them in this country. ter rerorists are coming in at numbers we haven't seen in many, many decades. it is crazy what they're doing. doesn't make sense. what they're doing is they're poisoning our country by

allowing people to come in by the millions. >> joe, that mysterious language is spanish, as long as we're keeping track. >> que pasa? >> yeah. >> what did he say? what did he say? >> vamanos. >> what is this on my plate? >> it's called a fajita. >> ah! >> this is -- >> seriously. >> this is not different from his speech when he came down the escalator nine years ago. >> yeah. >> this has been the foundation of his presidential runs. here he is again, now sprinkling in hannibal lecter. he's made that reference before, suggesting that, i guess, central america and south american countries are emptying the insane asylums and sending them north. he's suggesting people are coming from african prisons, if you want a dog whiswhistle ther too. the kind of people coming into the country, i guess, is not the kind we want here.

>> languages from outer space. again, we said yesterday, he's not well, not doing well. but, again, you know, we bring up ronald reagan all the time here, mike. we talk about reagan's farewell speech to america, and reagan talking about how when we close the door to immigrants, we close the door to america continuing to thrive. listen, i've said it all along, i want immigrants to come here legally. i don't want them to come here illegally. i've always said that and always will. i think we should have more immigrants. they should come here legally. but here's the thing, mike, president biden had that deal with senator lankford from oklahoma, one of the most conservative senators. they had the deal to do exactly

that. they had the deal to do what republicans had been claiming they want done for years. donald trump right there, the same donald trump talking about aliens, the same donald trump talking about poisoning the blood of americans, the same donald trump that is saying, oh, we're letting these terrorists in from african jails, these hannibal lecters, well, he's lying, of course. but if we were, just for argument's sake, if we were, the only way they'd be getting through now is because of donald trump. donald trump said, "kill this bill. it'll help joe biden if we actually shut down the border. i'll take the blame." donald, we blame you. we blame you because it's your fault. you said you would take the blame. so he kills the bill, then he cynically goes out bitching about how the border is open, mike. i'm just curious, how many

americans are too stupid to tie those two things together? >> it's a good question. i don't know the answer. let's stipulate that immigration is crucial to the future of this country. it's been crucial to our country since its inception. but let's also stipulate that the coverage of things like immigration is skewed. immigration and the border is a really difficult issue, and it's a problem right now, a problem that needs to be addressed. and, as you pointed out, senator lankford, along with the cooperation of many democrats in the senate and republicans in the senate, came up with a solution. they had a solution. donald trump knows it was a solution and said, "no, we don't want that solution because i want to use it to run against joe biden this fall." the other aspect of this was the film clip we showed coming into this segment. it gets to the way this election and these two men are covered by major newspapers. on sunday, "the new york times"

had a front page story about a poll that parts of it were devastating to the chances for joe biden to win re-election. on monday, again, on the front page above the fold, they had another story about joe biden referencing the poll but again referencing joe biden's age. why is it that they don't cover things that we just saw and heard? a man who is literally losing his mind in front of audiences coast to coast. his name is donald j. trump. why is it that this is not covered in the similar fashion to the way joe biden's age is covered? >> it's a great question. >> joe biden knows how old he is. joe biden does more in one hour, in a day in the white house than donald trump has ever done in his presidency. rev, i don't know about you. i hate to criticize print media. i'm a print media guy, but this

is out of control. >> no, it is out of control. it's really unfair to the american public who has to vote on the facts that are presented to them. when you only give one picture, you're talking about biden's age when trump is around the same age. you're ignoring on the front page, above the fold, the blatant racism. we're not talking about immigration alone with donald trump. we're talking about open racism. he's mocking spanish-speaking people. he mocks africans. he called several african countries s-hole countries, and haiti. it's always anti-people of color. that ought to be on the front page. then you have the nerve to let him say, when he has an opportunity to speak of the grandeur, strength, and history of the people of color, he goes in front of a black conservative group and say, "you like me

because of the mugshot i took you like me because i have all these indictments." so he is running what he entered into politics on. he entered on birtherism, denying a black president who was born here. >> muslim ban. >> he's running on the bias and racism that was always the major part of his campaign. they will not write about that. they're telling us about one old white man rather than another old white man who has not only lost his mind, but when he had one, it was bigoted. >> it's getting more bigoted and angry, the slurring of his words. on the one hand, a family member should step in and, i mean, this was my family member, i would be taking him to a memory care or something to get help. i'm dead serious. it's not a joke. >> it's really sad. >> but, also, this is all baked in. we have two candidates that both have served as president. you mentioned some things that happened during donald trump's

presidency. i mean, start with charlottesville and the list would last the whole show. whether it's racist things, bigoted things, things he's said and done toward women. in fact, his first trial, the one people say is less serious, is having sex with a porn star and using campaign finance funds to pay. i mean, i don't know, i think that's pretty serious. if you broke the law, you should be, you know -- innocent until proven guilty, but if you broke the law, it should be addressed. everything about this man is shocking. you have his record of four years in office. take a look at it. >> yeah. >> it's telling us that what we're seeing now isn't shocking. but it doesn't mean we shouldn't cover it. it doesn't mean that we should be desensitized and not notice that he looks demented, that he looks like he might be having a stroke, that he sounds especially cruel. we shouldn't ignore this and go, "oh, joe biden is old.

he walks funny." when a doctor said for years now he's had numbing in his feet or whatever, and it causes this. he's got a stutter. we know this. joe biden will tell you this. he will tell you this himself. it's not, like, news. it's not. has anyone not heard this before about joe biden? it's been out there when he ran and when he was president. we have two presidents and two presidencies to look at. people need to focus. speaking of print media, molly is here. she writes in a piece in "vanity fair," "republicans own the ivf mess." you write, molly, in part, this, "one of the ways donald trump won in 2016 was by empowering the far-right republican base. trump opened a pandora's box, and republicans are scrambling to shut it ahead of november. unfortunately for republicans, they've forgotten how to even pretend how to be formal. ivf is a dumb hill for republicans to die on, but it's

a great example of just how hard it is to put the toothpaste back in the tube when you've spent years appeasing evangelicals and rejecting science. it's only a matter of time before this fetal personhood challenge comes back, and with it, a legal challenge to iuds and morning after pills, and maybe even birth control pills. once you go down the road of religious zealotry, there is no easy off-ramp. trump may have had some good political instincts, but this could be the one that cripples the republican party in the end." we go back to the election in virginia. we go back to midterms. women will turn out. not just women, men will turn out on this issue of losing 50 years of rights. >> yeah. they put themselves -- i mean, the idea, almost no one in this country believes five frozen

cells are a person. >> that you have to keep frozen. >> that five cells, that's a person. i mean, a very small section of this country believes that to be true. so you've set yourself up for disease. republicans control one branch, barely, and they put mike johnson in charge of it. a guy with hours and hours of religious zealotry on tape. they could have picked emmers, someone who read as a paul ryan, but they went with trump's preferred candidate. we've seen it again and again, trump is a terrible candidate picker, right? he has this love affair with the far right. so they've really set themselves up. ivf is wildly popular, and birth control, as well it should be, is also popular. they're setting themselves up, you know, with a real problem. >> molly, something like 2% of american babies are born through ivf. i'm sure half of them are democrats and half are republicans. they're not uniquely democrats. spell out what the situation is

now with the other states that are looking at limiting. it's not just alabama. there are, what, some ten other states? then those three states, texas, louisiana, missouri, who are also looking at trying to curb iuds and the morning after pill, where do those states stand? in the ruling in alabama and the pushback from republicans against that, could those states decide, that was a bridge too far and we'll back away from this, or are they pushing ahead? >> alabama actually did do legislation that said ivf -- you are not going to face manslaughter charges if you destroyed a five-celled embryo. congratulations to alabama. i mean, talk about, you know, a very, like, lame victory. so, you know, people may be able to continue ivf in the state of alabama, but think about how crazy this is. i mean, you know, mike pence had his kids through ivf. this is not a person who is a wild leftist, mike pence.

the fact we're even here shows what trouble republicans are in. look, there are going to be a lot of states, a lot of challenges, but the fetal personhood, which should be embryonic personhood, is part of these heart beat bills, which, again, these, you know, are multi-celled, you know, frozen organisms, not necessarily the idea that this is a child is wild stuff. >> yeah. >> let me just say, mika, just a little southern baptist programming note here. there is nothing wrong with mike johnson had religious studies or whatever, nothing wrong with that. you know, as we have talked about, my parents took me to church, like, two, three, four nights a week. it didn't -- i know what you're saying, it didn't take. but a lot of it did. the thing is, it's not that mike

johnson is, like, some holy, you know, some holy example who is guided by the bible. first of all, he got to power based on the biggest lie in recent american history, so jesus didn't get him there. the lie did. but there's also, again, this bears repeating because of the self-righteousness of so many on the far, far, trump right. they've invented a religion. this christian nationalism, they've invented a religion. it keeps getting more extreme every week. ivf now is, i guess, the devil's playhouse. mike pence had kids through ivf. now what, is he a heretic? are they going to hang him? they wanted to. is his wife a witch? are they going to have witch trials now?

you know, i will say this again, and let those who have ears to hear, hear. when i was in high school, the southern baptist convention was pro choice. in fact, they were pro choice from the time of jesus through the time the beatles broke up. wait, there's more. not only through the time the beatles broke up were these protestant denominations pro choice, they were pro choice through the time the eagles broke up. yes, through the long run, all right? through the long run. we can go the distance if our heart -- you know the song. think about that for a second, as they're waving their bibles in your face and telling you that you are insufficiently

christian because you don't believe what jerry falwell, richard viguerie, and paul wyrick decided. please stay with me. decided in 1979 they had to do to beat a democratic president who happened to be southern baptist. they couldn't say he was insufficiently christian because he taught sunday school every sunday, basically. and he was a good and decent man. so what did they do? stay with me! i know you don't want to hear it out there, but stay with me! because it is the truth. they invented the issue of abortion as a -- not just as a political issue. jerry falwell, richard viguerie, a republican operative, and paul

wyrick, a direct republican specialist, said, we're going to create abortion not just as a political issue. we're going to make it a religious issue. >> mm-hmm. >> by making it a religious issue, again, "the long run" had already been released by the eagles. they'd broken up. elvis costello's "my aim is true" already out for three years. they decided at this point -- people, by the way, at this point had already thrown away their leisure suits and their pet rocks. this is how far removed from the birth of jesus christ this was! >> gia pets? >> still with us now. >> love it. >> still with us now, by the way. they decided, we're going to make abortion a religious issue.

that way, jimmy carter can take votes from conservative catholics and working class protestants. that's what they figured out. now, you fast forward all these years later, and talk to most of my friends, they'll tell you, abortion, that's a religious issue. you know what it's like? it's like the death penalty is what it is like, actually. you read the bible. your view of the bible can inform you on these issues, but the fact, the fact, mika, that they now are saying, not only is abortion a religious issue and you're going to hell if you're pro choice -- i wonder about my mom and my grandmom and my dad and people who went to church

for week after week after week, my grandmom. this would be a shock to her, that she was insufficiently christian when she worshipped and prayed and lived one of the most devout lives ever. this would be a real shock, that since she was in the southern baptist convention, she's going to hell because the southern baptist convention was pro choice. but now, it's gotten even more extreme, as these things do. >> yeah. >> so, now, abortion is banned. if your 10-year-old girl is raped by an illegal immigrant and you don't want your 10-year-old girl to have to carry the illegal immigrant's baby to term. you don't want the state to force your 10-year-old girl to have a baby, there are people who think you're going to hell. listen, i wouldn't want to be standing in front of jesus, like

at the end of my life, answering for what i did to that 10-year-old girl, forcing her and her parents to flee the state. because of some religious precept that was created in 1980 in the protestant church by jerry falwell, richard viguerie, and paul wyrick. now, they come for ivf. why are we surprised? is anybody surprised? when they took the constitutional right for a women to choose, took it away from women for the first time in 50 years, they warned us. clarence thomas warned us. he said, now that we've looked at this, we need to look at interracial marriages. wait, no, he didn't say that.

we need to look at contraception. we need to look at marriage equality. we need to look -- and he went down the list. why are we surprised? for you people out there who think it is going to end here, you are dreaming. >> yeah. >> because now, what they call christian nationalism has nothing to do with the gospel of jesus christ. and we have seen through history, reverend al, people drunk with power and using religious for political power, it always ends badly. it always ends badly. it's moving in that direction now. >> it always ends badly in history, but as you did this sermonette this morning, and the

church says amen for you because it was well delivered -- >> yeah. >> as you went through the litany of what they've done, as well as saying, accurately, they made an issue that never had anything to do with the really religious bases that we believe in as baptist or as christians, this is in the bible. what did they go after jesus for that led to his trial and crucifixion? they created what they said was sinful and was good and usable, or those that defied the laws of what was appropriate. he hangs out with the ones breaking the rules of the temple. that's what they've done. not only is it not like jesus, it is exactly how they tried jesus and sentenced him to death on the cross. because he challenged those that were using false gods and false

laws and rules to fit their political agenda for power. >> yeah, and, molly, a great piece. it's been made very clear, as roe has been rolled back, that abortion is health care in so many ways. it saves lives. it preserves the quality of life for an abnormal fetus or for the mother who will be sterilized. it does so many more things than these, i guess, religious zealots who made it up -- they claim it is sin because you're doing something to kill a life. it's just not what they say it is. >> ask the woman sent to wait in a parking lot until they can treat her, right, because she is having a miscarriage, which we see reporting about that everywhere. i mean, look, we have definitely seen a lot of, you know, these -- i mean, even -- you know, miscarriages are really, really common. you have women who cannot get treated, who cannot get a dnc.

>> come on. >> right? the stories out of texas are wild. then you have -- but even a larger point about this, which is, like, we've definitely seen that abortion is health care, is that republicans are running on something that is insane, right? most voters want birth control to be available. this is not a controversial topic. you know, most voters want to be able to have ivf if they need it. i mean, i think this is really a hill that's going to be really hard, a political hill to survive. really, you have voters -- it is like when gore went after pornography. it's a mistake. the american people do not want to lose their rights to birth control. it's crazy. >> molly jong-fast, thank you very much for coming on. great piece. joe, that was pretty good. i thought, i stayed with him. >> stunning, absolutely stunning. >> he asked us to stay with him. >> and accurate, very accurate.

>> very accurate. >> hey, hey, after all these things, stunningly superficial. >> please don't. i feel so bad about that. >> what about the paradise on the dashboard lights fit in? >> that actually -- actually, that had been released two years -- no, i think, like three years before they decided abortion was a sin. so from jesus to meat loaf "bat out of hell" plus two, right? i'm dead serious. plus two, right? it was only two years after "bat out of hell" by meat loaf that they said, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, there is a southern baptist in the white house and he is a democrat? we've got to do something. we need a solution. we need salvation.

>> okay. >> let's say this is a sin. i had a friend, like last time i brought this up, saying, "joe, joe, you're forgiving a grave sin." i'm like, "what are you talking about?" it wasn't a grave sin until 1 1980, republican operatives told you it is a grave sin. not biblical. ladies and gentlemen, please, please, with every head bowed and every eye closed, let's let meat loaf take us to break. all the people said -- >> amen. >> it is super tuesday. we'll go live to south carolina and florida where the haley and trump campaigns will be watching super tuesday results roll in today. keep that music playing. plus, we'll be joined by colorado's secretary of state jena griswold on the heels of the supreme court ruling that donald trump must stay on her state's primary ballot. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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there's a surge of anti-semitism in the united states and around the world, and it's sickening. we see it across our communities, colleges, social media. they surface painful scars from millenia of hate to genocide of the jewish people. >> president biden speaking in december denouncing a rise in anti-semitic incidents in the united states following the october 7th hamas terrorist attack on israel. joining us frank foer of "the atlantic." the april edition of the magazine is titled, "the golden age of american jews is ending."

frank, good morning. you write, quote, "in the years following world war ii and especially as the world began to comprehend the extent of the nazi genocide, a liberal consensus took hold and anti-semitism receded. there was a rush of creativity. now, jews are treated in sectors of the left as the epitome of whiteness. any analysis that focuses on the role of privilege will be dangerously blind to anti-semitism because anti-semitism itself entails an accusation of privilege. in the death spiral of liberalism, extremism on the right begets extremism on the left, which begets further extremist on the right. edge lords and trolls attempted to seize the mantle of liberty. when anti-semitism takes hold, conspiracy theory hardens into conventional wisdom, embedding violence, thought, and deadly

action. a society that holds jews at arm's length is likely to be more intent on hunting down scape fwoegoats than addressing defects. though it's hardly an iron law of history, societies are prone to decline. if america persists on the current course, it'd be the end of the golden age for jews and the country that nurtured them." frank, i'll let you flush that out more, but it feels like we're on the precipice of something or that something already changed since october 7th. where do you think it is headed from here? >> what we're seeing began much before october 7th. there were signs. it was not just a problem that we see on the left. it's a problem we see on the left and the right. you can trace a lot back to the rise of donald trump, who winked at white supremacists. anti-semitism had been something that had been locked up in a closet, but as the irish diplomat, connor cruz o'brien

once said, anti-semitism is a late sleeper. when trump basically gave the green light to white supremacists to say they were more welcome into the mainstream, you suddenly saw this tremendous surge of anti-semi anti-semitism. what's important about what we're witnessing now is it's not just about the jews. it is a symptom of a democracy and a political culture that is failing. when we're unable to resolve other differences through politics, when you see violence rising, when you see conspiracy rising, these are conditions that are ripe for the rise of anti-semitism, and they're also the conditions emblematic of the decline of a democracy. >> frank, connor cruz o'brienan sleeper. he could have said anti-semitism is a latent sleeper. as you write in this piece, and

i want you to explain this, please, the jewish vacation from history ended september 11th, 2001. it didn't seem that way, but the terror attacks opened an era of perpetual crisis, becoming fertile soil for the hatred of jews to take root. >> i was looking for where this epidemic, this recent pout of the epidemic began. when i grew up in the 1980s and '90s, it seemed anti-semitism was a dead force in american society. there were scholars and sociologists who said that anti-semitism was so minuscule, so fringe, it wasn't worth worrying that much about. then the terror attacks of september 11th happened. you started to see these signs that anti-semitism was actually surging. so you had conspiracy theories that blamed the fall of the twin towers on mossad, the israeli

intelligence service. you had other theories that began to say that america's adventurism in the world was the product of jewish warmongers who had dual loyalties. this was something that was much more mainstream than the mossad theories. what you saw was that the 1990s were kind of this vacation from history. it was a time we said was the end of history. everything seemed like it was headed on a great course. then we have this rolling series of crises. you have 9/11, the iraq war, the financial crisis, trump, the tea party rises. crisis really is this thing where people need to explain something that is inexplicable. deep inside the western mind, deep inside the american mind, is this tendency to find this very convenient theory that blames the jews for everything

that has gone wrong. >> frank, one of the things that really interested, caught my eye in your piece, was you talked about how many of us that call ourselves progressives have been swept into this or at least give some kind of oxygen to what inadvertently is anti-semitic. you can be, i am opposed to netanyahu and still embrace the fact that you're not going to be for people in israel that are civilians and children being subjected to terrorism and still denounce what is going on in gaza. talk about how we could inadvertently go too far. i've had to, in my life, dealt with, i shouldn't have said that because that's not how i meant. and how the left cannot give oxygen to people that are anti-semitic, homophobia, islamophobia, all of it. your piece drives that nail through the wood.

>> thank you for making the distinction, reverend al. if you polled most american jews, they'd have sharp criticisms of netanyahu. netanyahu's approval rating among american jews is no perso the occupation, the campaign being conducted in gaza. but this is a separate question. the way in which things get taken too far is that jews end up getting pushed out of progressive coalitions because there's a litmus test that's imposed on them. which is, you have to be anti-zionist. so even if jews, american jews, have criticisms of israel, those criticisms come ultimately of a place of love for country and a place. they're being told, well, if you have that love, which is so deeply embedded in your culture, in your religion, then you can't join our groups. you see this happening on

college campuses. the source of -- the center of jewish life on campus is excluded from groups, though the rabbis and people who attend services are progressive. sexual assault survivors groups say, if you're zionist, you're not welcome here. the term, zionist, has become this synonym almost for jews. it is where things start to go, i think, in my mind, too far. anti-zionism, the use of this term, zionism, which describes jews as being conniving or controlling, exhibiting bloodlust, it really carries all of these ancient tropes with it. it seems to me as if it is a way of injecting thought and ideas that are otherwise beyond the pale into legitimate discourse. >> staff writer at "the

atlantic," frank fore, thank you very coming on this morning. we appreciate it. take care. coming up, we'll talk with chris krebs about the election-related threats posed by foreign adversaries on this super tuesday. plus, we'll play for you some of the emotional farewell to philadelphia from retiring eagles star jason kelce. "morning joe" is back in a moment. if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect. new parodontax active gum repair breath freshener. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts.

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welcome back. super tuesday voting gets under way. our next guest says foreign adversaries like china and russia are paying close attention and pushing their agendas by trying to stoke chaos through disinformation campaigns, cyber attack efforts, and even physical threats against election officials. joining us now is the former

director of the cyber security and infrastructure security agency, chris krebs. he is the chief public policy officer at the cyber security company sentinal one. what should we look out for today, and what are you watching? >> my hope is, as i said in 2020, november 3rd, just another tuesday on the internet. where it is quiet. i do expect from a cyber security perspective that it will be fairly calm out there. foreign adversaries find it difficult to make sense of primaries. they don't necessarily understand the individual state races and the actual party votes. i expect it to be from a cyber attack perspective fairly quiet. i would expect, though, some disruption out there. we joked about it and called it the advance persistence backhoe. there will likely be a construction crew out there somewhere in the 15 states with

the republican primary that will dig up a power line and shut off power to a voting location. we should expect and anticipate it to be calm and moving forward. >> you mean that intentionally, the conspiracy they're moving along. >> yes. >> let me ask you about, there's sort of this disinformation campaign that, as you taught us over the years, is ongoing. that'll be some of that today. then there are actual attempts that you point out to disrupt actual voting systems on the day of voting. are those ever effective? those are one of the things that donald trump and his supporters have pointed to, that the machines were messed with and all that. that's never been proven. do nations and groups that want to disrupt our elections, do they still try to do that? >> there's not a whole lot of evidence that we've seen historically of state actors, whether it is russia, china, iran, or others, that would actually try to interfere with

the cast, counting, and certification of the voting process. the intelligence community continues to assess, at least according to my understanding, that that capability is not resonant and it certainly hasn't been demonstrated over the last ten or so years. to your point, though, we do see state actors, so, again, russia and china and others, as well as cyber criminals, continue to pepper away at state and local government offices. ransomware is on the rise. 2023 was historically a high year for so it would not be unexpected to see cyber criminal activities that overlaps into elections. these systems are resilient, decentralized, hard to have a regional sort of at scale impact. the bigger point here, is disinformation, it's campaigns by the state security services that are still ongoing. we had just two weeks ago

researchers talked about doppelganger, an ongoing russian disinformation to undermine support for ukraine in the defense of ukraine. we have seen the same actors -- and that was in germany. we have seen the same actors in the u.s. sewing chaos and encouraging civil war due to the issues at the southern border. it's very, very active. it's not just russia. china is very active as well. this is where we have to, as hard as it sounds these days, we have to keep our heads on straight and look to the trusted officials, the election officials for what's going on out there with today's results. >> one way to attempt to disrupt is cyber threats, but there is also been physical threats. what more could be done to safeguard the people trying to make sure our elections are conducted free and fairly.

>> >> yeah. this is the number one request from state and local officials to federal officials on support. it's not so much about cybersecurity vulnerability assessments, it's help us protect our people. there is swatting, where somebody calls into 911 and says there has been a shooting at a home of an election official and risk to public safety and the s.w.a.t. teams deploy. these on the rise the last couple of years. we have seen this actually result in some pretty gruesome outcomes. but fortunately the federal law enforcement has -- the fbi has -- it seems disrupted some of the networks that supporting -- supporting swatting. we have seen steven richard over the weekend posted about five or six folks across the country that have threatened him and election officials in maricopa county. so it's absolutely still a risk to election officials.

they deserve nothing but our support and praise for their hard work. >> former director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency, chris krebs, thank you very much for coming on the show on super tuesday. it's an election day. obviously, the economy plays a huge role in elections. joining us now is the editor-in-chief of the economist. it's great to see you. i am curious, your assess of the u.s. economy, leading indicators, how all analysts say versus how people feel, because even yesterday i was talking to young people and hearing about impossibly high prices at the grocery store. >> so the economy is in pretty good shape. gdp is growing. inflation is coming down faster than many other parts of the world. the reason i think people are feeling unhappy the u.s. had a

period of very high inflation. inflation has gone up, price up about 15%. people are feeling the higher prices. and they are feeling bad about that. they don't like that. even though now it's coming down, it takes a while for that to filter through into people's perception. i am not surprised people aren't giving him credit for the strong economy. the question is over the months that come if the economy is strong and inflation keeps coming down, that changes. i am worried it won't change enough. >> yeah. will the prices go down over the next two months? >> inflation will come down. prices won't come down. even if it comes down, prices are a lot higher than when joe biden took office. you go to the grocery store -- >> it's incredible. >> i come from london and i am just -- i can't pick anything up off the shelf -- >> that's another thing. >> i am just stunned at how expensive everything is. >> i am, too. >> everything is looked up. that's a separate conversation. from london, from europe, where

we are in our american politics as we approach a day that once we get through tonight will be, if it wasn't already, clear that dugout is the nominee and we are headed to a pre-match of 2020 with the very real possibility that donald trump returns to the white house. how are markets, how are politicians and parliaments looking at that? >> we are all transfixed, i think. basically, the rest of the world is obsessed with u.s. presidential elections, even more so this team because this really, really matters for the rest of the world. when i come here i am struck by -- i am not sure how many people realize that outside the u.s. the stakes of this election are extraordinarily high. and so we're all absolutely obsessed with it. super tuesday is kind of interesting. it's sort of super snooze day this year, right? most other elections, everyone in london is gripped. this time it doesn't really matter. and i think there is a sort of sense of is it going to be an

inextriable march of these candidates who those parties don't want to be their nominees or is something going to change that picture. the conversation outside of the u.s. is, is anybody going to stop donald trump. in europe, this is the one thing i talk to people about, what is going to happen if donald trump is president? what does it mean for europe, the rest of the world. >> no matter who wins, the relationship with china is near the top of the agenda for either president biden, who says that the next century will be defined by this competition between the u.s. and china or donald trump who is threatening a significant trade war with beijing. you have been keeping an eye on china, setting an ambition 5% growth. their economy had stalled. xi jinping changed that. >> they announced this. 5% was ter target last year after the incredible lockdown. when that was lifted, they could go back to 5% growth.

they are in deflation. people lost confidence. very ambitious. it's interesting. you mentioned it is going to be the big -- it was the one area there wasn't a huge amount of difference between biden and trump except president trump is not threatening higher tariffs and more aggressive policy. >> wonderful. thank you so much. great to see you. nice to have you on the set with us. >> thank you. from the world of sports, center jason kelce has called it a career. the 36-year-old delivering an emotional had 5-minute speech yesterday announcing his retirement from the nfl. >> thanks for coming, guys. see how long this lasts. what brings us all here today where i announce that i'm retiring.

i announce i'm retiring from the nfl after 13 seasons with the philadelphia eagles. i don't know what's next, but i look forward to the new challenges and opportunities that you a wait and i know i carry with me the lessons from my time here and that forever -- and that forever we shall all share the bond of being philadelphians. >> his mother, father, brother travis were there in the front row of that announcement as well. kelce was named to seven pro bowls in his 13 nfl seasons. fifth center in history with six all-pro selections. the other four are in the hall of fame. >> wow. >> mike, it was beautiful to watch. the family aspect of that, he is talking about how important it is to be a good dad, not just for him, but in our society, wants to spend time and watch his kids grow up. he made the pro bowl this year. he is still at the top of his game. you look back on a career where

you bring philly the first super bowl, you go to the pro bowl seven times, that's a pretty good run. and sometimes gets overshadowed because of who travis is. jason kelce one of the best ever. the thing that struck me the most about watching him yesterday and what he had to say, the content of what he had to say about his family and this family's influence on him and his brother is there and everybody knows his brother because of his brother's girlfriend, okay? >> he is pretty good, too. >> maybe one of the best of all time. and the tears that were shed. the thing that struck me the most was the element of good parenting. clearly, his parents and his brother's parents, they had a remarkable influence on these two guys. i don't know about you? >> no question. and this is not the end jason kelce. he and his brother have a very successful podcast. it's clear that he wants a media job to go along with his role as a father. he will soon have it. he is extremely well spoken.

emotional yesterday. clearly, going to be a star -- >> that was sad. all right. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> may i ask what you wrote down with that ball point pen? >> oh, nothing. an idea for a sermon. >> you had one just now? >> i get them all the time. >> how fortunate. >> i forget them so i write them down. >> what is the idea? >> intolerance. >> that was a clip from the broadway revival of doubt, a parable, that tells the story of a sknd scandal this a catholic school and a nun who serves to uncover the truth. we will be joined by leiv schreiber who plays father flynn. first, our coverage of super tuesday continues right now. >> if you are running for president, your job is to bring people in, not push people out of your club.

then the next day he went and he said that the rnc should name him the presumptive nominee. now, we don't anoint kings in america. we have a elections. and texans deserve the right to vote. >> the what we are thinking about, it sends signal if you can't get out to vote tomorrow, get your husband, your wife, your friends, get their friends because we want to send a signal that we're coming. this freight train's coming. we have to do that and we have to do it tomorrow. tomorrow's the big day. >> welcome to "morning joe" on this super tuesday. voters heading to the polls in 16 states and one u.s. territory. republican primaries and caucuses in 15 states with 865 delegates at stake. former president donald trump widely expected to sweep the races in all of the states holding contests today.

last night trump won the north dakota reason caucuses beating nikki haley by 70 points. trump likely will be awarded all 29 of that state's delegates. in an interview with conservative media company rsbn last night, donald trump expressed confidence heading into today's vote while nikki haley made her closing arguments to texas in front of a packed rally in fort worth. >> i just say to the people that are watching now if you could, go out and vote because it's not haley. she is not a problem. i think she is very negative for the party. she is not a problem in terms of winning because we are winning by a lot. the only place we expect to lose is d.c. because that's the swamp. tomorrow we could very well win every state in record numbers. that's what we hope for. they call it super tuesday for a reason. and i think it's going to be record setting. i hope so. >> republicans lost the vote on mayorkas, on israel, the rnc

chair lost her job and donald trump had his fingerprints on all of it. at some point maybe we should say the reason that america keeps losing is because of donald trump. we can change all of that. but in order to change it, it's going to take a lot of courage. courage from everybody here. courage for me to run and courage for every one of you to know, don't complain about what happens in a general election if you don't vote in this primary. we are blessed to live in america. and we know that america's better than this. now we have to do something about it. so this is i will tell you. tomorrow you got a job to do. i need you to vote and i need you to take ten people with you.

>> i tell you this, john. watching nikki haley and watching her grow on the campaign trail, and i will say, again, mika and i have known her since she was a state legislators. she was pretty darn good as a state legislators as far as her skill set as a politician. watching that nikki haley on stage and understanding that she is running in donald trump's party, i just can't help but look at that person and think, if she were to run as an independent candidate, let's say run as an independence candidate and get access in all 50 states, which of course i don't think she could, that person, that message could do better than ross perot, especially this year. that's somebody who could actually be a contender as an independent candidate. >> i don't know. i mean, there is, obviously, there has been -- there is a chunk of voters as we know vastly dissatisfied with the choice at the top of the

presumptive tops of both tickets, right. you have this growth in the independent segment of the electorate. for the last 20 or 30 years, we have seen intense polarization. there hasn't been much space for -- you have 40, 42, 43% on one side or the other. it didn't matter whether the candidates were anyone they liked. there wasn't space for a third-party. hyper polarized climate, the parties of generally satisfied with their respective candidates. this is a different situation. joe, i think it's a -- we are in such unchartered territory in terms of voter dissatisfaction with trump and biden. you might be right. the interesting question is not what happens if nikki haley were to be in the -- an independent or third-party candidate. what would have happened -- the question that will haunt a lot of people on republican side, is

what would would have happened if she found her way to the clarity she found and strength she found, the voice she found, whatever you want to call it, found this position not in january of this year, but last -- a year ago january or even a year ago june, in june, if she had been doing this -- not necessarily just this good, but this clear about the space shioc spied in the republican firmament, how much more -- >> i think she was trying -- >> she seemed -- i mean, she has toggled between kind of trump skeptic and trump admirer for her entire career since trump's been on the scene. if she had been in this place and consistently campaigning this way from the middle of last year, how much closer would this republican nomination fight have been. she came to the -- she got -- she found clarity way too late. that's the question that hovers over what might have been -- and sometimes what happened in the future. there are a lot of people who

wonder if she will have this clarify after she leaves the race, tomorrow or some other day soon to come. >> well, and perhaps -- sorry, willie. perhaps, willie, after she -- after this race, after the general election, if donald trump loses again, she has a great argument. if donald trump wins, of course, it's completely different. the thing is, willie, a lot of people made calculations. nikki haley and ron desantis and others, that they could ignore donald trump t that they could push him aside, they could pat his followers on the head, that alvin bragg or some other prosecutors was going to take care of donald trump and that's why they didn't do it a year before. i must say, if somebody were running against a democrat in a democratic primary that was suitably damaged, they probably would try to ignore that democrat and chart their own

paths. so it has been a very tortured run, but there is always been this lane. and i don't know how big the lane is. liz cheney would tell you. adam kinzinger would tell you not very big. i'm not so sure if you just came forward from the very beginning with the strong conviction, i can win, this guy can't, i'm not so sure she wouldn't be doing better now. but we are where we are and this a strong message. she will probably lose everything tonight. but i don't think she is playing for tonight. i think she is playing for tomorrow. i think she is looking over the horizon. >> she may have a future. i guess the question is would it have mattered? we will never know. if she had done what john suggested last year and come out stronger and not using the vagaries of kicking sideways, trying to have it both ways and keep donald trump supporters, maybe that would have made a

zirchts. maybe it wouldn't have. maybe this is just donald trump's party and the loyalists are so strong in his corner, we don't know. it's strange we are sitting here on the morning of super tuesday, something we covered so many times before, and no drama whatsoever. it's just donald trump expected to roll through the 15 states. i guess the question is will nikki haley drop out tonight or tomorrow morning, hang in for a couple more weeks. it will be two more weeks before donald trump technically secures the nomination. here we are just rolling towards this general election now as he turn the corner to the state the union. this feels like a milestone. >> the general election is upon us as of this week. president biden going to have a clean sweep on the democratic side. for republicans, nikki haley's team suggests maybe a shot at vermont but probably not. therefore, trump's going to win everything there, too. what happens next to haley? is there an event later this

week in her home state? her team is not saying. she herself has said i am in it to super tuesday. she left the door open to staying longer that, a few more weeks until trump becomes the nominee or even beyond that, wouldn't suspend her campaign. trump's first criminal trial three weeks away, maybe she keeps her eye on that, maybe she tries to suggest something could happen at the convention, wants to keep her options open. campaigns to truism and when they run out of money that's not an tru for haley she has enough money to keep this going for a while and what she has done is she has displayed trump's vulnerabilities. even though she won one contest, the one in washington, d.c., put up a fairly impressive size of the vote in a couple of states. new hampshire, south carolina among them. and revealed some concerns for trump going forward. so issues he is going to have to address come november. we have seen those polls where a lot of haley supporters say it's

vote for joe biden or stay home. and because as long as she stays in the race and continues to deliver messages these anti-trump messages, she is delivering them to audiences who otherwise wouldn't hear them. should he is being heard on fox news and other places that wouldn't hear. >> donald trump has a big win but the turnout is tiny and he gets 50 some percent of that turnout. last night in north dakota, which he won by 70 or 72 points, sound like a big number. he got 1,800 total votes. so, yes -- >> yeah. >> the margins are huge but people aren't turning out for him. >> we will 11 from the results tonight. to willie's point, it's so interesting there is no drama heading into super tuesday. and pointing out that on the republican side one of the candidates has probably one of the controversial candidates in

the world and yet no kraum a. what are you watching tonight? >> yeah, in a way nikki haley has revealed two things. that this is donald trump's party and really is his party, that nobody can make a dent on him. i don't know. if she had gone for the chris christie lane from the beginning, would it have helped her? would she have done better or worse? she made the calculation that was not an option to her. she revealed his weakness, his vulnerabilities and the number, the team charlie sykes our friend and sarah who i chatted the other day, how big is that lane, how big is that group of republicans who will never vote for donald trump. that's what i'm watching tonight in the exit polls. are we going to get a sense of how many republicans there are who are voting in the primaries who will -- who like nikki haley, that message she started delivering so robustly and never vote for donald trump because i think that will give us a sense of november. that's going to give us the best

indication of whether joe biden has this chance because a better chance because there are republicans who aren't going to -- in the end, the election comes down to how many democrats won't vote for vote by mail ballot joe biden /* joe biden around how many won't vote for donald trump. that's what elections like today will show us. >> john, one of the things i'm looking for is what willie brought up, the turnout. because we do see every year, every four years, a turnout from parties, you know, does make a big difference how excited are they, how energized are they to get out and vote. the contest last night, can you believe you win a republican contest and trump's crowing about it with 1,632 votes. most city council members in mid-sized towns get more than

1,632 votes. again, we keep going back to iowa. 14% of republicans in iowa voted. that's 14% of about a third of registered voters in iowa. and he got 50% of the 14% of the 33% of -- you just keep going on and on and he ends up with about 50,000 votes and wins the storied iowa caucuses. these numbers are way down. and there are a lot of republicans that are disaffected by donald trump. if they are voting for him, they are doing it holding their nose. >> yeah, that number i think that's from north dakota you mentioned there. it's like there are probably some condominiums -- condominium association votes in the state of florida that are bigger than that. so, yes. look, what's revealed i think in this period are two things.

one is on the democratic side joe biden has a problem with democratic voters in the sense he lacks enthusiasm among the base. donald trump is claiming almost all of the people, percentage-wise of the people -- and polls we see, too, people who voted for him last time around. joe biden has a problem for people who drifted away from him. he has to get those people back. donald trump has 98% of the people would voted for him last time but the pool is shrinking. so the problem with the republican side is this enthusiasm problem. having been there in iowa, in south carolina, having been in new hampshire, the lack of enthusiasm, said it on the show every single -- all those contests, i'm say it again. the lack of enthusiasm for donald trump outside his core base is palpable. let's than 2020, less than 2016. people in the republican party are acquiescent to trump en masse, rather than enthusiastic about him. that will be a problem for him for sure because he needs every single one of those people if he is going to be the nominee and

win in november. coming up, live to florida where donald trump is reacting to the supreme court's decision on his eligibility to be on the ballot. nbc's vaughn hilliard with the latest from outside mar-a-lago straight ahead on "morning joe."

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speaking of former president donald trump today, the supreme court ruled that colorado is not allowed to remove him from the 2024 ballot. then out of habit trump immediately appealed the decision. this is a -- oh, wait a minute. >> that's right. the supreme court ruled that states can't keep trump off the ballots. the supreme court remains the only place where trump can win

the popular vote. >> the supreme court foes you can't just let states decide who goes on the ballots. states are too busy deciding that life begins in the feezor section. next to the pearl onions. >> yeah. okay. i don't know. i didn't like that one. but it's true. i mean -- >> tough crowd. >> donald trump will remain on the ballot despite efforts in some states to make him ineligible for the 2024 election. the supreme court yesterday unanimously rejected the ruling from colorado's supreme court that removed the former president from the ballot based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. now, the justices ruled that a patchwork of decisions around the country could send elections into chaos if state officials have the freedom to determine who could appear on the ballot. the decision makes clear that it is up to congress to enforce the

insurrectionist clause against federal officeholders and candidates, but the three liberal justices accused their conservative colleagues of going too far by ruling congress must enact new legislation in order to ban a presidential candidate. they wrote that this decision will make it harder to bar, quote, an oath-breaking insurrectionist from becoming president, willie. >> former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg. chuck, this was widely expected. i don't know if it was expected to be unanimous. but it is at 9-0 on the vote here. i should point out conservative justice amy conemy barrett was critical of some pieces of her colleagues' ruling on this. this talks about federal officeholders, which is to say the state does not have the right to keep a federal candidate off the ballot. it can do that with state candidate and local candidates, but not federal. are you surprised by anything you saw in this decision

yesterday? >> not really, willie. with one asterisk. if you listen to the oral argument last month, it was pretty clear that the vote was going to be lopsided. 8-1. 9-0. turned out to be 9-0, to prohibit states from determining the qualifications for candidates for federal office. so the 9-# vote didn't surprise me very much. there was, as you

candidates for federal office. now section 3 is different from other sections of the amendment. it requires federal legislation to enforce its terms, at least as applied to candidates for federal office. through inaction alone, congress can erase part of the 14th not

erase the words from the constitutional page. chaotic enforcement of the constitution may be suboptimal but it's far better than not enforcing the constitution at all. what do you make of that, joe? >> well, i was going to ask chuck his opinion on david french's insights. chuck? >> yeah, joe, i read it this morning. i read his article and he makes a really important point that congress, by doing absolutely nothing, which is absolutely what they do best, has essentially stripped the disqualification clause from operation. they have essentially rendered it moot. here is the problem.

by going too far, the supreme court has really limited the ways in which someone can be disqualified. you need congress to pass federal legislation. amy coney barrett and the three so-called liberal justices, a, we don't have to decide this, but, b, there might be other ways or congress or federal courts to breathe live into the disqualification clause. i think david french's article is important to read. i read it myself. i even understood it, which doesn't happen all that often. but he is right. it has essentially become a nullity. the ability to keep an insurrectionist from the ballot turns on congress acting, and as we discussed earlier, that's what congress does worst. >> willie, this underlines a point that we have at times said about what could be happening on the left, like the criticisms of alvin bragg bringing a case under a new theory or sort of

piecing things together in a way that make constitutional scholars uneasy on both sides. in this case, you have the supreme court lunching too far to the right, making, as david french said, this part of the 14th amendment a dead letter. could also raise a lot of same questions, which we need to do about some of the state cases as well right now in fulton county. there is a mess down there with the prosecutor. what happens if there is a prosecutor in west texas that wants to, you know, charge the next democratic president. these are all questions that do need to be raised, and we have been raising them on one side on is there overreach on the left that will impact future democratic presidents. here you have overreach, it seems, by a conservative supreme court who, well, let's justice

face it, that's what they have been doing best the past year or so, overreachoy the supreme court that in a way has nullified effectively, adds david french said, an extraordinarily important clause in the 14th amendment. that was interesting to see, justice amy coney barrett saying to her colleagues, guys, we need to turn down the temperature, not create more chaos in the system. so while voting with the majority, of course, unanimous, critical this some ways of the specks of the ruling. that's the legal side of it, john. let's talk about the politics for a second. i think we all have heard from some democrats and maybe people working on other campaigns saying that this was worth pursuing, but perhaps even a little relief that turned out this way. if he is kept off the ballot, it gives him rocket fuel for the next eight months to say the biden administration, the justice department, et cetera,

et cetera, everything he likes to say, is trying to strip away your right to vote, keep me on the ballot. so they say we can beat him in colorado. put him on the ballot. >> the idea if a few blue states take him off the ballot, it would fuel his grievances, his deep state conspiracies, and would fire up the enthusiasm. chaos is the right word. they were right to rule the way they did. a lot of campaigns would concur on that. donald trump of course appeared yesterday in mar-a-lago, praised the decision, and we heard from trump talking about the other matter that's about to be in front of the supreme court, that of presidential immunity. we know the oral arguments are scheduled for next month. give us your latest thinking as to how those arguments could go and when, perhaps most importantly, we will hear from the justices in terms of their decision because that will impacts whether or not any of these trials happen before the election. >> let me start with the when, jonathan. the argument in the supreme

court on the question of presidential immunity from criminal process is april 22nd. the supreme court term ends at the end of june. so we will certainly have a decision or should have a decision which the end of the june -- although it could come quicker, the decision in the case we were just discussing on the 14th amendment disqualification clause took about four weeks. so no later than the end of june we should have a decision. i am still somewhat bullish. i may be the last person on the planet who believes that this case could be tried before the election. the january 6th insurrection case in federal court in washington. the sooner the supreme court makes a decision, the clearer it will be whether or not we can have that trial. so to your first question, jonathan, mr. trump lost decisively in the district court and decisively and unanimously in federal court of appeals on the immunity question. i expect he will lose again.

the answer seems pretty clear. a president is not immune for conduct while president, except perhaps in a very narrow band of cases involving official acts and trying to thwart a fair and free election can't possibly be an act. the sooner the supreme court gets to that determination, the better we will know whether or not we can have a trial before the election. i still think we can. like i said, i might be the last person on the planet, but i am somewhat bullish. >> coming up, it's super tuesday. that means one thing. steve kornacki at the big board. he will break down the key states to watch as millions of head to the polls. morning morning's coming right back. rning morning's coming rigt back at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help.

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weekend. meanwhile, vice president campus semiconductor pushing to pause the fighting in gaza. the need to secure a hostage deal and get more aid into the trip with israeli cabinet member gantz yesterday. cording it the white house, they discussed the situation in rafah. he wants the role to implement a humanitarian plan before launching a major military operation. gantz is expected to continue these discussions today with secretary of state antony blinken. gantz is a political rival to prime minister benjamin netanyahu.

his visit to the white house could signal wider cracks between the white house and the israeli government. reporters asked gantz yesterday if the white house should just deal with him instead of netanyahu, but gantz responded, quote, no, israel has a prime minister and everything is okay. joining us now, president emeritus on the council of foreign relations, richard haass, author of home and away available on substack and i would argtu that everything is not okay, joe, as it pertains to the israeli government. i think losing support from within israel and around the world. >> well, israel is, obviously, losing support in the united states, losing support around the world, and right now i think perhaps most importantly for them in the long run, they are losing support among their arab

neighbors. richard there, as a real urgency. i know you have spoken with arab neighbors and leaders and diplomats around israel, as have i, over the past few weeks. and they keep saying the clock is ticking. this we have to resolve this crisis. we want to help. we want to help in gaza. we want to help you towards a two-state solution. but the killing of civilians has to stop. the famine, the coming famine has to be averted. all of these things suggest a fierce urgency of now that perhaps benjamin netanyahu and too many in the israeli government just do not understand. >> yeah, joe, it's hard to talk about this without almost noting the tragedy or irony of it. for decades, what was israel's

goal? gain acceptance in the region, get the arab countries to see israel not as a western implant, but as part of the region. and that was happening. you had all sorts of countries normalizing and most importantly you had saudi arabia critical in the arab world, critical in energy, critical in the islamic world on the cusp of doing that. and what's happening now, arab leaders are so frustrated what israel is doing has radicalized a young generation of air rubs who six months ago didn't care about the palestinians. they were open to economic and other interactions with israel and all of that has been put on hold or even reversed. and like or not, these arab leaders, even those pretty authoritarian, have to take into account the public opinion, even in authoritarian countries who can't ignore it. so israel is undoing what had been for decades the principle

foreign policy or national security goals. so right now relations with the palestinians are at a low and relations with the arab states have been frozen. so this is really, i would argue, again, not over israel's right for self-defense. it's how israel interpret it and implemented and i would argue it's been counterproductive from any and every consideration. >> and you look at the pictures that we have been watching over the past month and you understand. the israeli people, many should understand with bitterness that this is exactly the way hamas wanted this to play out. just commit unspeakable acts of terror, promote -- provoke netanyahu's government to overreach in a way the united states did after september 11th, and raise their standing, raise

hamas' own standing in gaza where hamas was fairly unpopular before this. raise their own standing across the middle east. raise their own standing in the united states. and, willie, that's exactly what happened. you know oh, nt the surface, the initial reaction from some israeli leaders and israelis may be that hamas did this to us, we have to continue the attacks for our long-term security. we've gotten to a point now where continued attacks of civilians, continued killing of civilians actually undermines israel's long-term security. this isn't even a close call. i am not saying this -- you know, i'm saying this as a conservative that believes israel has a right to protect itself, has a right to be secure, but what they are doing is undermining their support in the united states. we showed the polls just about

every day. undermining their support among arab neighbors that just entered into peace treaties with them over the past few years, undermining their support across the world. >> yeah, i mean, when you consider that the truth that hamas as a terrorist death cult and reminded the world of that on october 7, this is what it wants. you don't need more evidence to know it hides in schools and hospitals and behind librarians have because the death of a civilian in gaza is a victory because it hurts israel. so on this question of the ceasefire, short-term ceasefire we keep hearing about, president biden raised it two weeks ago ahead of the michigan primary. didn't furn out. we heard a couple days ago israel signed on to a temporary ceasefire. just waiting for hamas to iron out a few details. vice president heir calling for that, a six-week ceasefire yesterday. are we ever going to see this or is this wishful thinking?

>> i have been a minority here. i am skeptical that hamas wants the sees fierp. we are less than a week away from the holy month of ramadan. if you are hamask going back to everything you and joe were saying, what would you like? you wouldn't mind there being pictures of people trying to get to mosque or people praying and being attacked or the imagery in the arab world during ramadan. part of me thinks they are actually hoping. that would be consistent with, as you both were saying, everything up to now. this is station identification for hamas. they want to show that only they can deliver, only they are the real defenders of the palestinian -- just think about how different this conversation would be today if israel on october 8th had taken a breath, allowed this to play out, put the focus hamas, the sexual and depravity that went on, the killing of individuals, and gradually and quietly went after

this leader or that leader, kept the focus on hamas rather than put the focus on itself. it seems to me that this has been a class you will mishandling. this was an opportunity to isolate hamas, show it for what it is, its dna, put something out there politically where you could have said, hey, here is a better way. if you really care about palestinians, hamas, they to see dead palestinians, here is a better way to go. i actually think this was strategically every step of the way a total loss, misguided, understandable but all the same counterproductive response, willie. coming up, a live report from nikki haley's headquarters in south carolina. nbc's ali vitali has the latest when "morning joe" comes right back. en "morning joe" comes rigt back

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. coming up, colorado tried and failed to remove donald trump from the primary ballot.

secretary of state jenna griswold reacts to the supreme court's unanimous decision yesterday. first, actor leave schreiber to talk about his role on broadway. that conversation is just ahead on "morning joe."

po, you need to bring peace to the valley. [ choking ] the chameleon is nothing like anyone you've ever faced. she is capable of mimicking any shape. awesome. i mean it's disturbing, but it's awesome. the truth makes for a bad sermon. what actually happens in life is beyond interpretation. >> i want you to be alert. >> just the way the boy acted when he came back to class, he looked frightened. >> the most innocent actions can appear sinister to the poisoned mind. >> what happened in the rectory

happened. it was a private matter. >> i'm concerned about the relationship between father flynn and your son. >> i don't know, sister. you may think you're doing good, but the world is a hard place. i don't know that you and me are on the same side. >> you have to stop this campaign. >> you could stop it at any time. >> how? >> confess and resign. >> that was a look at the play "doubt, a parable" which opens on broadway this thursday in the first revival since the play's original run nearly 20 years ago. it starred liev schreiber along with amy ryan. the play follows the principal of a bronx catholic school in the 1960s, who suspected the

school's new priest, father flynn, has sexually abused the school's first black student. liev and amy join us now. it's great to have you both. without giving away too much more, tell us about this version of doubt and what it's like to work with amy, who i'm obsessed with from "only murders in the building" and "the office," just to name a few. >> amy and i have known each other since our early 20s, so it's a treat to work together now. doubt is an extraordinary play. i don't know what to say about it other than i think we've lost some ability to process nuance and complexity in this modern world. i think john's play kind of

champions that complexity. the idea that doubt can be a unifying concept, i think in many ways it speaks to the strength of our democracy that we are able to disagree with each other and yet still somehow make progress. but as more and more we see people leaning more into winning than progress we see things falling apart. for me, there's so many extraordinary ideas and themes in this play, but for me, that's one of the most powerful ones. for instance, social media, the algorithms they categorize for the purposes of marketing demand that you are red or blue or israel or palestine. >> right. >> i think that john patrick shanley, the playwright, adds some nuance to that conversation. it's a very timely play.

>> you stepped into the role sort of late. the original actress cast had a health emergency. tell us about that, to do so on such an accelerated timeline with such a serious and heavy topic. >> yeah. it was a late evening sunday night phone call. when i came around to it monday afternoon and i was rehearsing with liev and the rest of the cast the next day and kind of running as fast as i could, getting up at 5:30 a.m. to start cramming lines. i remember saying, please give me permission to be really, really bad. it was truly being shot out of a cannon, but this incredible cast was so patient and generous with me. they had lost their leading lady, but they put trust in me somehow or they let me believe they had trust in me. >> it must have been so helpful that you all know each other so well and for so long.

>> it definitely helped. the familiarity gives comfort. although this is the first time we're really working together, we have mutual friends and we've known each other. >> no doubt about each other. >> no doubt about each other. i know liev's work. >> let's look at this scene where sister begins to realize she can't trust father flynn. >> may i ask what you wrote down with that ballpoint pen? >> nothing. an idea for a sermon. >> what is the idea? >> intolerance. >> would you like a little more tea, father? >> not yet. i think a message of the second ecumenical council is that the church needs to take on a more familiar face, reflect the local community. we should sing a song from the radio now and then, take the

kids out for ice cream. >> ice cream. >> take them on a camping trip. we should be friendlier. the children and parents should see us as members of their family rather than emissaries from rome. i think the pageant should be charming, like a community theater doing a show. >> but we're not members of their family. we're different. >> why? because of our vows? >> precisely. >> i don't think we're so different. >> mm. wow. >> what you were saying earlier about shanley's work, it was written in 2004 at the height of the sex abuse scandal the catholic church was enduring then and enduring still today. i was thinking about what you just said and the number of times people say in life, geez, i doubt that. just the word doubt itself and the way it plays not only in this theatrical work but the way

it plays off in our life. >> sure. one of the things doug hughes, the original director of the first production 20 years ago, he said they added that part "a parable" to the title was because there was a conversation amongst the people developing the play is that it spoke to our certitude going into the iraq war and that thing about not being able to contain doubt, that we had to make a definitive decision and the complexity and nuance of things is to important that we're allowed to doubt and it's actually this wonderful unifying concept that red and blue meet somewhere in the middle, which in a funny way is doubt, which is this very human quality. and to do that with such

tautness and humor, i'm thrilled to be a part of the play. >> if i could touch on ukraine with you. you have ukrainian roots. you cofounded blue check ukraine. >> yes. >> you recently wrote a piece for "time" entitled "ukraine is fighting for the same values americans hold dear." do all americans hold those values dear? >> well, you know, this is my opinion. you can doubt it if you like. >> i'm not doubting it. i'm just asking. i do this four hours a day and i might have a little doubt. >> i guess what that piece was for me thinking about my grandparents' generation and what was important to them. i think the generation of people who fought in the great wars and who defended democracy and what's really at stake for

people who think that ukraine doesn't matter, i believe this is a front line of a war on democracy. i think that we are a nation of grandchildren. the opportunities that we have sitting around this table, i think, were provided by people who struggled to live the american way of life. and what is that? and when it's at stake, what are we willing to do to defend it? if that just means going to the ballot, absolutely, you have to do that. for me, it's more than that. for me, it's defending a place where my grandparents came from and the idea they should be able to vote for their own leaders, that they should be able to pray in their own churches and do everything in the way we have been able to do everything in this country is extremely

important. to some degree, i do believe they are fighting our fight. i certainly think that's what my grandfather would have thought. >> the revival of "doubt, a parable" opens on broadway this thursday and runs through april 14th at the todd haimes theater. thank you. we're into the fourth hour of "morning joe." voters are beginning to head to the polls across 16 states and one u.s. territory this morning for super tuesday, the busiest day on the primary calendar. you're looking at live pictures of nashville, which does not look too busy. tonight could be nikki haley's last stand with former president trump leading the polls and in the number of delegates won so far. nbc news correspondent garrett haake is in florida with more. >> reporter: this morning, the

road to the white house stretching from coast to coast as republican voters in 15 states from alaska to alabama cast their primary ballots. gop frontrunner donald trump, who swept the first seven states of the primary, is widely expected to pick up the lion's share of the more than 800 delegates at stake today. >> haley is not a problem. she's negative for the party, but not a problem in terms of winning, because we're winning by a lot. >> reporter: nikki haley, fresh off her first victory of the campaign over the weekend in washington, d.c., taking aim at trump in texas, arguing since his first term he's been a drag on the party as a whole with losses at the state and federal levels. >> at some point, maybe we should say the reason that america keeps losing is because of donald trump. >> reporter: today's super tuesday contests come on the heels of a unanimous supreme court ruling monday in mr.

trump's favor, ordering his name be included on primary ballots in colorado and other states where courts or officials had tried to bar him for allegedly engaging in insurrection on january 6th. >> you cannot take somebody out of a race because an opponent would like to have it that way. >> reporter: mr. trump praising the ruling and arguing he's been politically targeted by the biden department of justice. >> it's nonsense cases, and everybody sees it. >> reporter: the biden campaign responding, calling mr. trump's statement unhinged, confused ramblings focused only on himself. >> donald trump will remain on the ballot despite court decisions in some states to make him ineligible for the 2024 election. the supreme court yesterday unanimously rejected the ruling from colorado's supreme court that removed the former president from the ballot based on section 3 of the 14th amendment.

joining us now, colorado's secretary of state jenna griswold. she will oversee colorado's primary and is chair of the democratic association of secretaries of state. a twofold question, your reaction, of course, to the supreme court ruling, and how do you think the primaries are going to go today? >> good morning. happy super tuesday. thanks for having me on. first and foremost, i would say it's good the supreme court actually rendered their decision. in colorado, 500,000 people had already voted in the republican primary. colorado deserves to know and america deserves to know whether donald trump is a qualified candidate. with that said, i'm disappointed in the decision. i think states like colorado deserve to have the choice to keep insurrectionists off of our ballot.

there's larger implications for insurrection that's running for federal office under this decision. super tuesday, everything's going great in colorado. i assume we're going to have great elections across the nation. just encourage your voters to make their voices heard. democracy is on the ballot this year. there are so many crucial issues that americans can weigh in on, and we do that at the polls. >> madam secretary, it was noteworthy even though it was a unanimous position, some of the justices disagreed with the act that solely congress could step in and prevent an insurrectionist from running again. do you have any faith, though, that congress will ever step forward with legislation that could safeguard this piece of our elections? >> i think that's one of the big concerns from this decision. the majority of the supreme court decided congress could act, but this congress is almost non-functional. so the likelihood of that is very low. that means if there is an

oath-breaking insurrectionist running for any federal office, they basically have the freedom to run without consequence. the purpose of the 14th amendment, in my view, is to safeguard the country from insurrectionists taking office and destroying democracy from within. i think it's really concerning given that this congress is so unlikely to take any type of real action on the matter. >> secretary griswold, have you had to town by town, city by city, county by county in colorado make any extra preventive security measures to protect poll workers? >> unfortunately, in colorado we have seen a lot of threats to election officials and predominantly, to tell you the truth, elected officials, myself, county clerks, people in our offices.

and, yes, we have really focused on physical security since actually 2021, to tell you the truth. that includes legislative changes. i led a law making it a crime to open carry close to voting. we made it a crime to dox or retaliate against election workers. i also made it a felony to compromise voting equipment. i just announced last week $3.5 million for counties to further increase their physical security and access for voters. you know, seeing the threat environment is incredibly concerning. we have had 38% of our county clerks step down since 2020. >> wow. that is incredible. >> we can't allow people who would use intimidation or threats to win that battle. what they're trying to do is get good republicans and democrats

to step down so that people who do not believe in the right to vote can step in. i will not be intimidated. just from the supreme court case, i've received over 500 violent threats since it was filed initially in september. i won't be intimidated. we are ready to go in colorado. frankly, we cannot allow people who use threats to win. >> colorado secretary of state jenna griswold, thank you very much for coming on this morning and thank you for what you're doing. we appreciate it. let's go straight to the big board with steve kornacki. steve, your latest article for nbcnews.com shows why the delegate math shows haley has little room to stop trump. i'm curious, given all that, what we'll be looking for dig into the numbers tonight? >> look in yellow.

all the states on the republican side with contests today, the rules on the republican side for this primary season are designed to produce a quick and decisive nominee. keep that in mind when you look at the rules inside of some of these states. that's haley's first challenge. california, 169 delegates up for grabs today, the biggest of any state. in california, there are two major things working against haley. number one, it is a closed primary. there are no independents, no democrats allowed to participate. that is the backbone of her strength in a lot of these contests we've had so far. secondly, in california, the rules are a simple majority of the statewide vote, 50% plus one, and you get all 169 delegates. the combination of that threshold and a closed primary makes donald trump the overwhelming favorite to collect all 169 in california. the second biggest prize today is texas, 161 delegates.

rules are a little bit different than california, but again, this is a very conservative republican electorate in texas. demographically it is very much trump friendly. it doesn't fit the profile of some of these areas in states that nikki haley has fared the best. it's winner take all for a statewide pool of delegates and winner take all in each of the congressional districts. you look at the demographics of texas, and trump is heavily favored. with those two states, you can expect trump to be north of 300 delegates just there. you add in oklahoma and arkansas and alabama, essentiallily winner take all states. that could be another target for trump to get all of the delegates here. where would haley make a splash?

probably her best chance to win a state is vermont. donald trump only got 32% of the vote in the vermont the first time he ran. there's no party registration in vermont. it's a deeply blue state. you might have a lot of voters who don't really consider themselves republicans, but like the chance to vote against donald trump. virginia is interesting too, especially congressional districts in the northern part of the state here just outside washington, d.c., demographically they absolutely fit the profile of where haley's been doing well in these primary. in fact, they're even better demographically for her. in virginia, you can collect delegates by congressional districts. there are opportunities for haley to pick some off there. minnesota and colorado, complicated rules, but she could get a chunk of delegates there. the bottom line here is, 43% in new hampshire is her high

watermark. if you're getting 43% across the board tonight, that is going to translate into very few delegates. and meanwhile, donald trump with that lead he has over haley, he could be near a thousand delegates by the end of tonight with 1215 the magic number. >> of course, the haley campaign has pledged she's staying in through super tuesday. that's today. beyond that, we're not quite sure of the future. trump has racked up win after win outside the district of columbia. but there have been warning signs too, whether it's turnout. what are we going to look at tonight that could be more warning signs for trump even if he wins? >> it's interesting. we've known since 2016 where trump's problems are, where his

vulnerabilities are. they're in the suburbs. typically college educated voters in the suburbs, little more higher income. that's where he's had his worst showing in these primaries. haley had by far the highest concentration of educated voters. there are districts in virginia that fit that, minnesota and colorado that fit that. you're looking for trump's weakness. but in terms of how applicable it is to the general election, i would caution on that, because we've seen in the polls consistently with four new major national polls over the weekend that all put donald trump ahead by a slight margin. when you look at those polls, what looks like potential slippage with republican voters in these primaries, you do not see it in general election polls. you look at republican voters in general election polling, trump

is getting more than 90% and losing only 2 or 3% of them. you're seeing evidence in states that have open primaries or semiopen primaries that there's a large segment of voters who are going to vote for biden in the fall, who absolutely can't stand donald trump, and they tend to be in these suburban areas who are participating in the republican primary. i think that's added in these states to some of that non-trump total. the polling is suggesting that a lot of that haley vote is prepared to go and back donald trump. we'll look at those suburbs as they come in tonight. as we were saying last night with biden in michigan with that uncommitted vote, there's reason to take it with a pretty big grain of salt. >> steve kornacki, thank you so much. we'll see you tomorrow morning

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they call it super tuesday for a reason. i think it's going to be record setting, i think. i hope so. but that sends the signal, because what we're really doing is we're aiming at that november 5th date. >> this is not personal. this is about the fact that we have to win. we can want to change the country all day long, but if we can't win an election, we can't do any of that. i don't know why everybody's so adamant that they have to follow trump's lead to get me out of this race. you know, all of these people deserve to vote. >> that was former president trump last night laying out his expectations for today's super

tuesday contests. and nikki haley moments ago on fox news on why she is not throwing in the towel yet. let's bring in ali vitali live in south carolina covering the haley campaign, and nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard live in florida covering the trump campaign. and joining us is symone sanders townsend. ali, what are you hearing from the haley campaign and from voters today? >> reporter: mika, this is not usually what election days will look like. vaughn and i should be at campaign headquarters, at watch parties. instead, we're probably going to be standing in pretty generic locations, because neither candidate is out on the campaign trail actively campaigning. trump will be at mar-a-lago. haley is likely to watch the

results tonight come in from her home on kiawa island. they did do their final event last night in texas. that was raucous crowd in ft. worth. >> have you ever voted trump? >> no. >> what happens in 2024 if it's trump versus biden? >> biden probably. >> for you? >> i've been voting since i was 18. i'm a strict republican, but i'm not going for trump. >> so you'll vote for biden? >> i want to vote for haley. that's why i'm here. >> what happens if on wednesday morning she wakes up and tuesday was a clean sweep for trump?

>> i think she should stay in. >> reporter: mika, she might. i think if we're reading the tea leaves here, the haley campaign has been specifically vague about what happens after this mile marker of super tuesday. on one hand, haley has said she wants to have the strongest showing possible that she can on super tuesday. she's been vague in saying she'll be in this race for as long as she's competitive. that's not exactly a specific metric that we should be looking for here. but haley could end up staying in through georgia, through louisiana. that would put her through the end of the month. the trump campaign doesn't expect and can't clench their bid tonight. haley could do until he does. it's not a money problem. haley has been a prolific fundraiser and has a lot of money still in the bank that could allow her to keep going.

the other question i was asking voters is, what if she does or doesn't endorse the former president? haley didn't seem bound by that rnc pledge to endorse the eventual nominee. haley supporters say they would be disappointed if she endorsed him, at least right off the bat, mika. >> in an interview yesterday with a far-right outlet, donald trump continued to escalate his anti- immigrant record. >> we have languages from like the planet mars. nobody knows how to speak it. they put the students in the place of our students like in new york city. we have these wonderful students going to school. all of a sudden they no longer have a seat. we're putting migrants in who

don't speak the language, have no idea what the teacher is saying, and we have children no longer going to school. >> they're coming from places unknown. they're rough people, in many cases from jails, prisons, insane asylums, "silence of the lambs" stuff like hannibal lechter. >> donald trump also called into fox news this morning. what is his closing message today? >> reporter: donald trump clearly is not very deterred from any threat that he sees from nikki haley. for donald trump, you know the

night before super tuesday, you might have thought he'd be holding a campaign rally. instead you see him talking to that trump loyal network at his estate mar-a-lago. he did just call into "fox & friends" here in the last hour. he was repeatedly asked whether he would try to strike what would effectively be a peace deal with nikki haley and repeated demurred. just 36 hours ago on his social media account he was referring to nikki haley as "bird brain." i was just messaging with one trump ally here and asked what the expectations were for tonight. they said they expect to win every state, and they will have a fun night and the bird will

not. compare this to eight years ago on super tuesday. i was covering ted cruz in the state of texas, where ted cruz beat him by a 2-1 margin. he lost in oklahoma, maine and utah. today donald trump and his team feel good and they're ready to spend resources on joe biden and not continue to spend any money on nikki haley in this republican primary that they deem all but over. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. where do begin, jonathan lemire? >> let's fact check. what he said about new york city schools, not true. that didn't happen. he's doubling, tripling down on this anti-immigration rhetoric that frankly began his political career. it was the birtherism lie about barack obama, but in 2015 he

talked about mexican immigrants calling them rapists and the like. is this rhetoric going to help him at all this time around? >> there are lots of people that like the rhetoric donald trump is serving up. >> like who are those people laughing in the room? >> exactly. >> what was funny about that? it was disgraceful behavior. >> yes. fox should zoom in on the people on the side so we can see who they are and ask them questions. he has continued to enjoy support since he came down that escalator. people are supporting him in places across the country still. look, i think that democrats, people in the news media, other republicans that do not agree with what donald trump is saying, they need to call it

out. it is very important. you cannot let the rhetoric slide. every time we talk about immigration, we also have to talk about the fact that there was a bill that congress negotiated that was a very strong border security bill that is not law right now because donald trump told republican legislators not to get on board. donald trump doesn't care about the immigration crisis in this country. it has nothing to do with policy, everything to do with rhetoric and aesthetic. >> with all due respect to you as a member of the national media, you're missing the point. >> what's that? >> joe biden is 81 years old. >> so? >> that's the story we have to cover. [ laughter ] >> that's the story that is in every major american newspaper, sometimes quite often on the front page above the fold.

>> so you get the 81-year-old or the potential criminal. get the 81-year-old or the bigot, the 81-year-old or the racist, 81-year-old or the fascist. >> in terms of how we lead our lives on an everyday basis, the 81-year-old knows that no new york city school child is being thrown out of a seat to have someone who just crossed the border replace them in that classroom. the 81-year-old who people talk about all day long in the media is the person who says i can fix the border, but they won't let me, meaning donald trump and the republican party. the 81-year-old who people say, oh geez, he shuffles along, he's the one who stands between them and having no health insurance. the 81-year-old is the guy who has presided over the

healthiest, fastest-growing economy in 30 years. the 81-year-old is the guy who gets up at 7:00 in the morning and works all day to try and keep the middle east from inflaming itself even more than it's inflamed. >> mike has the receipts. yes, joe biden knows how to do the job, is doing the job and has demonstrated he can do the job. that's what it's about. it's not about age. then on the other side you have donald trump, who what he is doing is very dangerous. there are people that have acted on his rhetoric. we have example after example after example, insurrection, the folks who took up arms against the fbi offices across the country, people who have demonized and put a target on the back of lgbtq americans, paul pelosi.

what happens when someone gets killed? >> i mean, it's happened. we had the january 6th insurrection, and people died that day. i believe that people died that day at the behest of donald trump. i believe that also tens of thousands of people are dead from covid because he kept that information from the american people and then mismanaged it and misled people through that pandemic to epic proportions. >> disproportionately african-american members of this country were hit most by covid. now women are dying. >> because of roe. this is your choice. >> there's the story to tell. what mike is saying is all we seem to read about is the age and how old the current president of the united states is. i think more people need to talk about the policy, what donald trump is saying, project 2025, his trying to turn the department of health into the

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storm starts piling up again. >> we had grass in our yard on thursday and now our windows are all buried on our house. >> reporter: this is the aftermath of an intense multiday storm that dumped 5 to 10 feet of snow across the region. >> it was whiteout conditions. >> reporter: interstate 80 finally reopening after disrupting traffic and commerce for days. >> it has been a real mess. >> if you live in it, you're used to it. if you're not, i would say don't come up here if you don't have to. >> reporter: because of heavy snow and winds that reached 190 miles per hour at the highest peaks, officials and locals urging caution on the roads. >> we've just been taking it slow, going 25, 30 miles an hour. >> reporter: the storm effectively ending the season's snow drought, bringing california's snow pack level up

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would you have supported the senate bill that would have seen president trump effectively killed by coming out -- >> it's why i ran for senate. i said a hundred times i didn't aspire to become a senator. i didn't need a job. i wasn't looking for another title. but three weeks ago on a wednesday night when i saw a real solution to secure the border and provide funding for israel, ukraine and taiwan, something that most of the republican senators had said was important. they were told to vote against what they believe in. it made me frustrated and angry enough to say, i think i'm going to go down there and try to do something about this. >> former republican governor larry hogan explaining why he decided to jump into the maryland senate race. that conversation took place

during "msnbc live" a new event series featuring conversations with newsmakers. joining me is luke russert. >> pleasure to be here, mika. good morning. how are you? >> i'm great. i love this concept. tell us more about it. what are you doing? >> the first thing is we have to book you to appear, because you are the star power that we need. essentially what we're trying to do is have thoughtful solutions-based conversations in person with some of the leading newsmakers of the day. we want to foster a connection to deal with some of the most vexing issues facing america. often the most partisan ideas aren't the best. when you have people in a room, they come together and they have a conversation, like happened in america for many, many years. solutions come out of that, whether it's public/private

partnerships. what can be done to solve some of these most challenging things our country faces is where our core is at "msnbc live." we want to bring in some of our best talent to foster conversations with people around the country. >> it was an amazing event, luke. what was so great about it is bringing all of these different people together. kornacki was at the big board giving a preview. what i heard from folks is they want to know more. larry hogan broke a little news yesterday. i didn't know that was the impetus for him getting in. it was a really engaging conversation. >> you know what's so cool about this, luke, is that we have been all sort of moving to remote

post covid. this is good that you're sort of like trying to promote that connection where things really can happen when we're together in a room. >> there's a real value, i think, post pandemic is gathering again. i was fortunate in the last year to go on a book tour for my memoir "look for me there." i got to meet a lot of people around the country. we are a lot more alike than we are different. when you're in a room and you have those connections, that value and ethos comes minorities often don't get enough capital to launch successful businesses and what can be done to change that. and then you have steve kornacki on with the magic map and jen psaki and quintin folks about the biden campaign and what they have to overcome and larry hogan saying to me he will not support donald trump under any circumstances. so you really have a boat load of fascinating, interesting conversations which touches on all these different things that america is dealing with, but

gets to a place where there are solutions and there is people who want to work to achieve real tangible positive results. >> mike barnicle, the kids are all grown up. look at this. >> barnacle is -- he's a tough booking. >> you'll never get him. not a chance. >> they're all grown up. what is the logistical plan here for this venue? do you travel? do you go different places? how is it going to work? >> i think our goal is to really get it around the country. if it worked out, i would love to have people in cleveland or buffalo be able to meet mike barnicle in person. we'll start off in washington and new york where our talent is most easily accessible. but i think down the line, one of the more value adds is that, you know, people want to meet who they see on tv. they want to be in the same room as them and they also want to see, i think, that the thoughtful conversations that don't happen when there is a red blinking light. as you know, as mika you've done a lot of events, there is a

spontaneity where people feel more comfortable, it is a lunch setting, dinner setting, maybe a cocktail setting and hear interesting stuff down the line, that's really the goal, though. mike, i think there is real value in getting things out of d.c., outside of the corridor and that's my goal with this project. >> jonathan lemire. >> let's talk more about your interview yesterday with governor hogan. he toyed with the idea of perhaps running as a third party candidate for president, no labels flirting with him, but he's going for the senate instead. tell us more about what he sees as his path. >> i thought it was really interesting he said that the thing that was a catalyst for him to run for senate was a phone call from former president bush saying we need more independent-minded leaders and then also that he was upset that the senate gop and donald trump killed that bipartisan bill. but, jonathan, you're absolutely right, the immigration bill, you're absolutely right, maryland is a 2-1 democratic state. federal races, you see a lot more tribal partisan politics.

he has a real uphill battle. but he told me he will not support donald trump in any capacity. there is a sort of peace right now between donald trump and him, trump has not been publicly attacking him, it would be interesting if that's beneficial for hogan at some point if he can go more toe to toe with trump publicly. but he faces an uphill battle. that being said, when he left office, he had some of the highest approval ratings for any governor in the country and a lot of that had to do with the fact that maryland was so much to the left that they would bring things that didn't really strike a good core with moderates and hogan would veto them and the administration would become more moderate. it would be a very interesting race. he's not your typical republican. he's profunding for ukraine. he wants a bipartisan immigration bill. maryland is a majority minority state, over 1 million foreign born residents. somebody that if there is a republican mold like that, it certainly would probably win this presidential race.

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a new study is showing how screen time is affecting children's speech development and comprehension. research published in the journal of "the american medical association" found the average toddler is missing out on hearing more than 1,000 words spoken by an adult each day due to screen exposure. the study tracked 220 australian families over two years, with the effects most pronounced at 3

years old. the average 3-year-old is exposed to two hours and 52 minutes of screen time a day. for every extra minute of screen exposure, the toddlers in the study were hearing seven fewer words, speaking five fewer words themselves, and engaging in one less conversation. researchers say a language rich home environment is crucial in supporting infants and toddlers' language development. that is absolutely stunning. i -- we know this, though. doesn't it seem obvious? if the parents and the kids are on tablets? >> that's the point. we do know this. >> we know this. >> you reflect upon how children were raiseed as recently as 10, 12 years ago, completely different than today. the number of children, young children, walking around with a phone in their hand or ipad in their hand, who are impossible

to -- eye contact is missing. >> we have been strict with screen time for our kids and i do worry about the ramifications decades from now, how are they going to grow up differently than everyone else? >> we know so much, simone. i wonder why congress doesn't -- or honestly why there aren't regulations even from the companies who, by the way, the people who run the tech companies don't let their kids have phones. >> i think the companies don't want to have to take the responsibility. congress doesn't want to wade into the responsibility. so, it is up to the rest of us. >> it is going to be cigarettes. >> up to parents. >> it is up to parents. wake up! >> i like to take the ipad away from dinner. they don't like it. >> i'm taking it ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," it is the biggest day on the calendar, vote areas cross the country heading to the polls on this super tuesday. donald trump enters today with

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