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i am richard louis in for simone sanders townsend. we are in for a rapidly changing news for the hostages in the four-day truce in the israel-hamas war. after their group released yesterday and day one. we reunited with family members there was a delay on day two in today's return of a second group of hostages. hamas officials say israel violated the temporary truce announcement. rather agreement including the amount of humanitarian aid going to northern gaza in the order of palestinian president. released later today, hamas leaders announced the hostage

release deal is back on track. the qatari leader saying now the additional israeli hostages will be released soon in exchange for more palestinian prisoners. qatari and hamas officials say the release of that second wave of hostages kidnapped in the october 7th attack will move forward as soon as this evening. qatar also saying 13 israeli prisoners and seven others outside of the agreements framework will be released in exchange for 39 palestinian prisoners. the spokesperson for the idf responded to the delay in a press conference just within the last two hours. >> there is some real time progress happening. now things are happening, we will inform you on every stage. we are a fully prepared on the lines of the truth. fully operational preparedness. >> joining us now in jerusalem with the latest on the hostage deal where we are at right now.

nbc news correspondent, david noriega. david, the question as we have been watching the video in the last hour and a half is, will we see them cross the rafah border crossing? the location you are a yesterday. which is the left bank. also the palestinian prisoners being released. what have you seen from both of those occasions? >> reporter: we are still waiting, richard. we know from the qataris that the group of hostages that will be released today from the gaza strip include eight children and five women. as you said, not the 13 hostages. in addition to that we are expecting seven foreign nationals. the way this process has been working at the mosque first hat to hand them to the red cross. they crossed the border with the red cross and then a handed to the israeli authorities on the egyptian side. they then transport them to israeli territory for medical treatment. as far as the palestinian prisoner side, what we saw yesterday's the prisoners were released a little bit later.

a little bit after the release of the hostages. pretty soon after more or less around the same time. and now that we are back on track with this agreement as you said what generally people are expecting is for the pattern to hold but again we are just waiting. these are complicated processes we won't know that those releases have actually happened until we see those images of the hostages and the prisoners being released. richard? >> that will be the end of a successful day two of the truce as you and i have been talking about. in context, tell us about where we are at in the day. i know it is 11 pm their local time. how did it? star where we are right now? >> reporter: it happened tonight later than it happened yesterday. that is because of the delay that you mention. a very tense couple of hours during which hamas was accusing israel of not abiding by its end of the negotiations. saying that it was delaying the release of the hostages. that is why it is happening

close to midnight and happening several hours prior. this is back on track. we did hear from the qatari foreign ministry that they and egypt or diplomatically involved in breaking through that logjam. we heard from u.s. authorities that president biden was briefed on all of this. that the u.s. also helped in implementing -- the breaking through of that. logjam at this point we are where we were last night a few hours prior. like i said we are waiting, people are gathered in the occupied west bank. waiting for those red cross buses to leave the military prison. we are all waiting for the red cross vehicles to also cross the rafah crossing into egypt. >> a little detail for us, richard. hamas was saying they had several objections as to why they were delaying the release. one of which was the supplies. can you give us some with that? and then the idf respond to that just within the last couple of hours, as well. >> reporter: that is right, the

two main points of what hamas said were israel's failure to abide by the agreement where the fact that they did not allow any aid trucks into gaza as they said they would. specifically releasing them according to how much time they had spent in prison. the idf did respond to these allegations in a press conference saying that they have been abiding by the agreement to the letter. we do have a little bit of detail at least on the palestinian prisoner side. we know that there were several palestinian prisoners who were serving long sentences in israeli prisons who were not released yesterday. however, they are among the six women slated to be released tonight. we know now that, at least in terms of the prisoners being released tonight they do include those who have been in prison in israel for the longest time. now, again, the idf rejected hamas's accusations. they said that they have been abiding by the letter of the agreement. the important thing is all parties agreed to keep the

process moving forward. richard? >> that is day two. nbc news is david noriega for us in israel with the very latest on both sides of this agreement. thank you for that. now the white house saying president biden was briefed throughout the morning on the state of the hostages including a call with the amir of qatar and the qatari prime minister on potential holdups on how to resolve them. hours ago white house officials learned that it was back on. the international red cross was moving to collect the hostages. a u.s. official tells nbc news that none of the ten american hostage -- including in a four-year goal, will be released. today they are still hopeful that they will be freed, quote, with this 50. today's disruption in the hostage release plan comes just one day after the successful transfer of 24 hostages held by hamas. that includes 13 israelis in exchange for 39 palestinian prisoners. among the hostages released is nine-year-old, ohad munder. seen here reuniting with his

father after weeks in captivity. one of his family members had this to say about the child's condition. >> what is good shape for a nine year old after being in a prison cell for nine months? the way i see, what the doctor said, they are exactly what they should be under the circumstances. okay? so, we have to give them time, of course. we are optimistic that with a lot of love and a lot of patients he will recuperate and come to terms here with the new reality that has happened. >> meanwhile, the israeli government is facing continue pressure to secure the safe release of the rest of the hostages. thousands of their loved ones and supporters staged a rally in tel aviv today demanding their safe return. palestinians in the west bank taking to the streets on friday decelerate the release of palestinian prisoners, as well.

joining us now is retired u.s. military colonel an msnbc military analyst, jack jacobs. and -- experience in international hostage recovery, rob d'amico. colonel jack, snag, hiccup, a bump in the road? is that what you saw today? the president and the americans having to get involved in making sure that we got to, what we believe, will be a successful transfer of hostages today? it is late in the day. we are about a half day behind from yesterday. we now have -- okay. we just got this in with some breaking news. the second group of hostages that we were just talking about, we understand that that is happening. let's go to david noriega in israel at the moment. david, what do we know? and the last few minutes hamas is saying on one of the official telegram channels and has handed the hostages over to

the red cross. additionally, an idf spokesperson has told nbc news that they've heard from the red cross that the hostages are now in their custody and are on the way to the rafah crossing along the gaza strip. this process that we have been waiting for appears to be underway. it is a matter of how long it takes them to get to the rafah crossing before we actually start seeing those images. >> right. earlier, keeping this video up on the left-hand side, david, because we saw yet more supply trucks moving and going north. at this point you are saying, very shortly, we will see the 13 israelis and seven other nationalities make it through this very point. if it follows the same progress others yesterday, one of the questions here, david, was whether the american dream part of this group or not. what have you learned is they will not be. what we have learned based on the location from yesterday? >> reporter: based on what we saw yesterday we won't know the

actual identities, the names, it's federal, of the hostages until they are out. we do know that the idf has those identities. they have been in contact with the families. this is required in order to set up the reunification of the hostages with their loved ones. that has not become public or accessible to us until the release officially happens. we learn information minute by minute, as it. happens on the palestinian prisoner side we do have the identity of those prisoners. there is an organization that represents prisoners and their families in the west bank. we have the names. it is really just a matter of actually seeing those red cross buses and through the streets of ramallah and armies those prisoners. the mechanics that will happen before we see the buses coming through this particular border crossing with the hamas hostages, what do we know about the process? you have been reporting on what is happening in terms of the release of the palestinian prisoners. what is happening now before we actually see them cross this

particular border crossing? >> reporter: in rafah you mean? yeah, so, what happens is basically the red cross is the go-between between -- right, the red cross is the go-between between hamas and the idf. hamas hands the hostages to the red cross. the red cross crosses the border with them. hands them to the idea. the idf has an operational command center on the egypt side. yesterday in involved helicopters that flew the hostages into bitterly territory to get medical treatment. it is during that treatment that we actually see who these hostages are. we get to learn who their families are. the important note is we also get to see, who is missing? who has been left behind? when i was in tel aviv earlier this week i was speaking to multiple families of israeli hostages who are fairly certain that their loved ones are not going to be released because, for example, they are adult males. even that doesn't tell you the whole story.

there will be, even after today, there will be more children left behind. more women left behind. these families are in an agonizing state a suspension. a few of them get some degree of relief. not even necessarily complete relief because they don't get every member of the family that they're waiting for. it is very piecemeal. the process isn't over until it's over. you really only learn things as we see them happen. >> as they are happening. david noriega, you are looking into my mind. we just heard from the idf that the international red cross has the day two hostages. the red cross does have the hostages for day to the enumerated 13 israelis and seven other nationalities. not part of the agreement but also people released as of now this is according to the red cross. the red cross telling the idf they are making their way to this crossing that we see on the left-hand side of the screen.

david, it's interesting because as we were following the delay in the new announced the delay, or i should say, the holdup was no longer there. they had fix the situation, right? that was the announcement through the qatari what happened after that is there were further supply trucks making it through this crossing that given the final trucks we will finally let these hostages go? is that what we are finally hearing the news on? >> reporter: it is entirely possible. we didn't get a detailed response from the idf about the specific allegations that hamas made regarding what they claimed israel was failing on their end of the deal. that is probably something that we won't know for sure. i should also know that one of the questions about the aid trucks is not just whether they entered gaza but also how they are distributed within the gaza strip. one of the big sticking points

here is how many of those trucks are allowed to go from southern gaza into northern gaza. that is where some of the humanitarian aid is most desperately needed. that is where the military action has been concentrated. we know that more than 1 million people were displaced we know that there is some forte of 5000 people left in the north. that is where they're worst devastation is happen. those people desperately need that aid it could be life-saving for them. of the palestinian red crescent said the amount of aid they expect to receive will be woefully insufficient. if you are one of those people, one of the family that is receiving aid, again it could make the difference between life and death. . it is not just the a trucks, it is also what happened after. how far they can get into gaza, and how the aid is distributed. >> given the bombardment, not an easy task. if you are just joining us, into msnbc, we are just learning this hour that, indeed, the second group of hostages

from hamas have been released. we have also learned that, according to the idf, the international red cross has received a second group of hostages per day to. now we await, on the left-hand side, to see them actually across that border. that signal comes and goes. we are caring live for you so you can also see when this does happen. you can see on the other side equation that 39 palestinian prisoners, they being released in the west bank. those other two parts at this quarter hour that we understand, just in to us at msnbc, again, is that 13 israelis, seven foreigners, now making their way with the red cross to the rafah border crossing. let's go back to retire do us army colonel, jack jacobs. a former fbi hostage negotiator, rob d'amico. colonel, breaking news there as you and i were just about to

talk. colonel jack, what do you make now of this happening? we could finish the day with a successful day to? >> we could. you raise an interesting point about the glitch, about the hiccup. as time goes on, we are liable if not more likely to see a number of hiccups. based on the same thing, david noriega brought up a significant point about, perhaps, why there was this hiccup. it revolves around aid. lots and lots of trucks with aid, with fuel, going into gaza. hamas would like to see the majority of that going up north where the majority of its people are located. we are talking about hamas, not down in the south where a large number of gazans are located. on the other hand, the idf would like to see a go to the gazans in the south. not to hamas. what do you control mechanisms

are, and to make sure that the aid trucks get to where they are supposed to go, that is going to be a sticking point. as time goes on, it is going to become more and more difficult to control this. especially if there is a pause in the cease-fire. hostilities begin again while there is discussions of who is going to get released and when they are going to get released. the whole process will start all over again and become more contentious overtime. >> colonel jack, back at you with this. we've heard from the idf for the last couple hours. that is exactly what they were saying. there has been a delay. therefore, we are going to delay the release of these hostages. what the idf has said is, we are trying to get our supplies to the north and the south through those two entry points. not specific, necessarily, about where that aid was coming in. they were alluding to the fact that they delivered aid at the required points. and is now up to the u.n.

agreed upon partners, contractors, to get us through the border crossing in the agreed location. we do not know what that agreement specifically says. the logistics of moving hundreds of trucks of equipment and supplies. >> yes, it becomes increasingly difficult. especially in the north. the train is destroyed. it is extremely difficult to negotiate. the supply routes to get the supplies to where they need to go. it is also unclear who the partners are. the u.n. may be involved. it is more likely to be the red crescent. and the red cross on both ends of gaza. there are also others involved including the qataris. who is controlling where these supplies go? once they leave, they crossed

the border. it is not entirely clear. that has been part of the problem. the agreement notwithstanding would actually take place, as you are suggesting, once the vehicles get into gaza. among -- no one knows where it is gonna go after that. >> yeah. they kept on alluding to that agreement, the idf was. the incongruity that is potentially happening right now. rob, standby. i wanna go right to the white house. allie raffa with the latest on what we are learning in terms of hound while the white house has been on this development. as you know, breaking news from the international red cross and the idf that the hostages have been released. >> reporter: that is right, richard. in just the last hour u.s. officials set expectations for what we are seeing now with the release of 13 israelis and seven foreigners in exchange

for 39 palestinians according to qatari mediators. u.s. officials telling us, quote, no americans today. still hopeful the three will get out with the 50. of course, referring to the three americans to women and one of four-year-old girl that u.s. officials hoped would be among this batch of newly released hostages. they are among the nine american citizens and one green card holder being held by hamas. a senior administration official said this morning that the release of the american mother and daughter, the first hostages released by hamas two weeks after the war began, they said that that relief gave them hope for more to come. saying that they have no indication that there is a reason why americans would not be among the hostages relief during this multi-day cease-fire deal. white house and national security council officials have

given us a little bit more detail on what has been going on behind the scenes in nantucket where the president remains today as he wraps up his family vacation after thanksgiving. they say they're working with qataris, junction, and israeli officials on the implementation of this deal as it continues to come to fruition. s they say that the president ws briefed throughout the morning on the state of the steel as it was being implemented, as well as throughout the hours long delayed by hamas. they say at 10 am he spoke directly with the amir of qatar, and the qatari prime minister about potential holdups to the deal and mechanisms to resolve them. following that call a senior u.s. officials were in regular contact with the israelis, qataris, and egyptians to overcome hurdles to its implementation. they say the president was briefed throughout the day. >> ali, standby. i just want to make note for our viewers. we are watching these live pictures. we have seen several vans with

the red cross insignia, the flag, as well. many journalists following these bands as they come through. we have counted five or six of them. this could indeed be the very hostages that we are talking about that were announced received by the idf, by the red cross. we are watching this now at the rafah border crossing. the same location we saw yesterday. we are watching 3 to 6 of the vehicles in a convoy with the red cross insignia on their flags, as well as the door sides. it could be, most probably, but not confirming as of yet, those held hostage. is the 13 israelis. potentially, also, the seven other nationalities. ali, back to you. i don't have the people know what we were watching. >> of course. >> reporter: as you mentioned, while we cannot confirm the hostages are, indeed, inside of those vehicles. a white house official did tell us around 1:30 pm is when they

learned from the qataris that the steel was back on track. the icrc, the international committee of the red cross, was moving to collect these hostages from gaza. they say that at that point the president was also updated on the latest development has this deal resumes. undoubtedly the last few hours really showing how delicate and fragile this deal has been. these negotiations have been as we have seen this multi week effort, painstaking effort on behalf of the president, senior administration officials, both here in washington and on the ground in israel to secure the release of these hostages. of course, we know the families of those americans still waiting for good news as it relates to their loved ones. no doubt the president seeing this continuation of this deal as a success, richard. >> ali, thank you so much for that reporting. and the background of how we are getting through today.

rob d'amico, still with. us rob, i couldn't help but immediately,, for a moment, feel what the families might be feeling. to see those red cross bans. coming across with the waving flags so late and an evening, on a saturday. what must be inside? those are the hands of hope for so many families. we don't know right now, on our side, who exactly are in those fans. what a day if those are indeed the 13 more israelis, and seven other nationalities, in those fans. >> it is but it's also a rollercoaster, the up and down of the whole thing. that is one reason, normally, when we are doing these before with the u.s. citizens, we do not notify the families because it is such an up and down. it is such a rollercoaster that they go through until we actually have them in hand do

we make a notification. okay, we have them. as you can see, it is this public display of just the worst thing you can think of. is it going to happen? is it not? we try to iron that al. i don't think that this is happened before anywhere. this public display that is incredible. >> so, there is what you're saying, concerned about providing too much. part of the taunting, right? of the sausage making, as you try to get those hostages to the other side and we are hoping that's what we are seeing right now. given that this is an asymmetrical -- at its worst that we have seen so far because of the terrorist attack that killed over 1000 israelis and now we are seeing those non-combatants, as you and i were talking about, being held by hamas. should we expect, here, in the final days, very asymmetric implementation of this

agreement? >> is is so complex. just doing one and two people at a time, you run into all kinds of these problems that you are seeing, that each side goes back and forth on it, you iron out. what you only usually do it once. now you have to continue doing it and i think it's going to get really complicated. we don't know exactly how many people they have. that's why i think that the president was pushing for this. he called it proof of life, which is a little bit different. but at least a document or something that tells us how many they have, so you have to negotiate in good faith and knowing how many they have is part of that. so, i think it's going to be very complex towards the end if they do not tell us. >> do they have as many as they say they have, right? and they were slow, hamas was slow to provide that request, which was, from what we understand in the reporting, fairly simplistic. correct me if i'm wrong here when we look at this because it

was name and gender, and not much more. >> i think they had them in dispersed groups, what they should've had communication along the whole time that they took the hostages to figure out who they had. but i think there is going to be some that we find out that we think we're hostages have died since the abduction, based on either during the abduction, possible -- or something happened in between that they're going to have to account for. >> and if so, rob, they may not even tell us. they may not even tell the idf. >> no, they may not and there is going to be all kinds of things in their. that's one thing when the hostages are ready to talk about who else they saw and who else they were captured with, and what happened so that they can piece that together. >> that's the downside of your hamas because of the idf and the united states, qatar, and either dressing give us the list, they also know that they're showing their cards. >> yes, but again, everyone

talks about it is a moment of trust and it may be short, but it has to be there in order to do this. so, i think they're going back and forth, and they may be trying to get the information themselves to, because the disparity that they kept the hostages finding out what happened up to the central command, handed over to the qataris, could be difficult. but they have to do it, they really do. >> colonel jack, part of this, well, you are saying this but you are saying this, which is hamas was saying you didn't provided the aid that you promise in the deal, and then idf saying, and israel saying no, we did provide all the aid. it's that we don't have the ability to surveil, given that the deal said that idf can no longer fly drones during this process. >> no, they can't, but we have other ways of surveying the terrain. we have, we, in the idf, have ground based systems, satellite

systems, airborne systems as well. it would be much better, obviously, to have drones over the area, but they're still capable of finding out where the aid goes, where the hostages are coming from, and where, most important, where hamas is moving to. they don't have single positions. they have many positions. they have supplementary positions, to which to go, and the idf wants to know where these are going to be. because ultimately, unless there is a general cease-fire and subsequent armistice, the war is going to resume at some point and the idf wants to know where hamas is located. the longer this goes on, the easier it is for hamas to develop its defenses. so, it wants to take this as far down the road as it possibly can.

on the other hand, the idf would like to get all the hostages back right away and it's not going to do that. there is another interesting thing here and that's the delay getting americans out of there. hamas is interested in delaying that as long as possible. and we may have discussed this earlier on another day, but the reason for that is that as long as there are americans who are hostages of hamas, that keeps the pressure on the united states to keep the pressure on israel, to release the hostages. and for the idf to do whatever it needs to do, in order to nullify hamas, so that these hostages will get released. so, one should not be surprised if at least one american is not absolutely the last hostage to be released, richard. >> it is 4:31, 11:31 at the rafah border crossing, and we just saw video a second ago. if you are just joining us within the last 20 minutes, what we just learned at msnbc,

according to the idf, is that the international red cross has, indeed, received the hostages for day two. and in the video that we saw just moments ago, they were crossing. you see at the bottom right hand corner of your screen is what we saw happened within the last 15 minutes. so, that is the reporting. that is new this hour that the hostages, according to the idf, through the international red cross, have now been passed on to the red cross and, according to this piece of video, we believe that they were in this caravan of vance that cross the rafah border crossing not too long ago. that is new this hour. david noriega, who's been reporting for us in israel. david, you also had some new news for us. >> new news, richard. the very latest from the idf, one of its official telegram channels, saying that the red

cross convoy with the hostages is in egypt, working its way through egyptian territory to the kareem shalom crossing, where they will be transferred over to idf cross custody in israel. quick point. this is 13 israeli hostages and they're now saying for ty nationals. not the original seven foreign nationals that we expected to be released outside of the framework of the agreement. we are also hearing now from a statement from the spokesperson from the qatari foreign ministry, again, for ty nationals, not the seven that we originally heard. that point is yet another illustration of how incredibly fluid and ever-changing these details are. but that is the latest, the team is hostages are in egyptian territory, for the idf, on their way to israel, along with four thai national, richard. >> okay, so it does appear that the video that you and i are watching together, from earlier, in the upper right hand corner, were those particular hostages. but you are seeing now for thai

nationals, not the total seven that they were reporting or what we were hearing earlier from the qataris. flipside, david, what about the palestinian prisoners? any reporting on that, as of this moment? >> still waiting, richard. again, if things follow the pattern from last night, there will be a little bit of a lag between when we see the hostages released and when we see the prisoners released. just based on what i saw last, night in rome, all i can also tell you that the situation in ramallah outside of -- military prison where these palestinian prisoners are released is pretty chaotic. there are frequent clashes with movements of groups of palestinian people toward the prison and repression of those groups of people by the idf with tear gas, rubber bullets. that creates a sort of atmosphere that's a little bit harder to control, a little bit harder to read. but, you know, given how this played out last night, i think we can expect those red cross buses with palestinian prisoners to enter the streets of ramallah shortly. >> we have three children yesterday that were released on

the hostage group. we have any understanding of who are in those 13, as of yet? i know that something that many will be watching. >> we know it is eight children and five women, richard, that's all we know so far. we're all waiting to hear who they are, ready to hear, i mean, that's what we were told before, right? again, this information changes. i will point out though that it makes some sense for the information about the foreign nationals to shift in a way that the information about the israeli nationals doesn't necessarily, because that's happening outside of the framework of the agreement, right? for the agreement to hold, we expect to see three palestinian prisoners released for everyone's really hostage. that is a little bit more of a controlled process because you have all the international mediators, participating actively, and ensuring that the details of that exchange happened has their intended to. the numbers and the identities, and the nationality of the four nationals that hamas is releasing outside of the framework is something that, it's happening a little bit more loosely, right? again, though, eight children.

that's more children than we saw yesterday. it was for children yesterday, eight children today. one of the biggest sort of emotional points from yesterday was wondering what was the condition of those children? yesterday, once those children made it to a pediatric hospitals in israel, we were told that they were in good condition. we were waiting, that exact same information tonight, richard. >> david, what we're watching on the left-hand side, it appears i was counting at least for more red cross vans. and it's the same camera angle as we saw before. they are going back from whence they came, only about ten or 15 minutes ago. so, it could be that was this a drop off. the operator and quarter is moments ago, but on the left-hand side, live video. so, it could be that events that we saw earlier were returning back into gaza. according to the reporting from david and what he's hearing, they fall now arrived into egypt. eight children, five women expected. we will have to wait to see to get confirmation of exactly who

was released of the hostages and that's the way it works. but we now have verification, it has happened. one side of the deal of day two of this agreement, of this truce, of this exchange of hostages with four presenters has happened. one half has, the other half will be waiting for and david was just telling us, should happen in the next hour or two there in ramallah. so, half of the deal on day two done and, you know, rob d'amico, if you're still with us on this, what we're also learning a little bit earlier from the idf is, at least this is their expression of the agreement, this agreement is, you know, like i guess a five headed octopus. they were describing it, this has a lot of detail to it and trying to get through each day is like rebuilding this agreement or rebuilding a building every day. does that sound about right? >> it does. i mean, everyone's perception,

and that's why voters are so important, like when you read a document, everyone's perceptions a little bit different. so, i think when we were talking about the trucks and the dispersion, distribution of the trucks, i think israel pushed back said well, that's not on us. we got them to where we were supposed to endure complaining they're not going to the right place. we don't have control of that and i'm sure that was the pushback and the qatari somehow got the hamas to understand, okay, it might have been this, but israelis can't control it. we need to go on. and as -- said earlier, the biggest thing that came out of it, it did not stop -- >> rob, standby. i want to let folks know what we're watching on the left-hand side and this appears to be, is this hamas video that we have coming in? i believe this is egypt tv that we are watching right now. this could be coming from, if this is consistent with what we saw yesterday, so, this could be the location where the

hostages are now being released, if this is egypt v. were they transferred to buses? we can't see very directly exactly who is coming through. but it appears that this is from the rafah crossing. we do see some children that are leaving this bus. again, there were a children, five women that were reportedly going to be released today. so, in that bus that we just saw, we did see some children leaving, we did see someone adults leaving. it was dark. in other locations in israel, they will put up cordons in this space, so this was dark and perhaps, well, they did not have cordons in this situation. but this is the egyptian tv and we are looking at the egyptian side of the border.

so, that just came in, rob. so, we're watching as this is happening and the next phase, if it happens, as it did yesterday, it's what makes the helicopters now bringing his hostages back into israel both in the north at the children's hospital, potentially stopping at one of the bases there that is in western or yeah, eastern israel, in the south. that might also be a possibility. those might be the next steps if they follow the same protocols as they did yesterday. okay, and the reason why i broke it -- we were watching this new feed. but of course, we're now looking for the other side, right? looking for the prisoners to be released. we are waiting for that video, waiting for that reporting to see if the other side of today's day to deal does come to pass. back to you, rob. you were talking and describing the difficulty of these deals before i had to interrupt. >> it is. it is so complex and hopefully,

overtime, they will understand what needs to be done, how long it takes to be done. it is a process and talking to the victims, everyone that we've recovered and talk to later just describes this as a very surreal moment in their lives, that they just can't contemplate it until later. and some take years to really do with it fully, and that's why it is so important psychologists get involved. they're going to try to talk to him, but they have to do it at pace because each person being released as a different timeframe went to up certain things in that. by getting them back to family is important, but you cannot overload their senses because it is so much for them to handle. >> now, the difference i was describing and you heard me yesterday as they are returning to israel, they're putting accordance that are sometimes, you know, ten meters, 30 feet long as the hostages are making

their way from one mode of transport to another. in this case, we saw that it was wide open to the cameras in the process of handling hostages in the past, what is the standard, if you will? what's the expected, what are the concerns that you have when you're transferring them at this final stage? >> so, what i saw yesterday when they were moving the israeli hostages amongst the palestinians was the safety. it was crazy people everywhere. if someone wanted to do something, they could have, and i think that was very dangerous. another thing, though, is we return hostages and we bring up to a special, especially over in iraq and afghanistan, to medical facilities that's been walled off. no one can get in there except for the psychologists. -- doesn't even come in. we don't want that person overloaded with what they cannot handle. so, the psychologist tells us

when they are ready to talk to people and such. the fbi might be there, or military intelligence, but they wait until that person tells us, hey, i think they're ready to talk now. >> yeah and that video that you're alluding to, rob, and for our viewers, was yesterday, hamas provided video of when they were handing the hostages over to the red cross. and as you were describing, rob, it was wide open. there were crowds of people, some of the hostages were being carried, potentially because they could not walk or motivate on their own. but wide open to exposure, then when they get into egypt, this is a procedure that we just saw that happened. then when they get into israel 's when they actually are cordoned but they're kept quiet, they don't have to look at the cameras, they don't have to see the bright lights. that's what we saw yesterday. colonel jack, as we see these procedures now happen, and now

that we're at day two, will this get, will the machine get grease better for day three? less likely to have a hiccup because now they made it through the beginning? because the first half is always the most difficult. >> the other one is that is going to get more difficult because you're coming down to hostages who are more high value targets for hamas. grown men, teenage boys, soldiers, and so on. hamas is going to give them up with a great deal of difficulty and so, there is a cogent argument that says it's going to become more difficult, not less. also, hamas is just liable of making greater demands for food, fuel, and other equipment that needs to be brought in. and so, you're going to have arguments about how much of that stuff needs to come into gaza, in exchange for the

hostages. we hope that that is not the case, that you are right, that the process, having occurred a couple of times, will then become more routine eyes. it'll be easier to do, people will get comfortable with each other. the intermediaries will get more skilled in how they're transmitting the requirements to both parties, but as time goes on, it's just as liable of becoming even more difficult, has the high value targets become fewer and fewer, and hamas wants to stretch out the process as long as it possibly can. hope it's not like that, but it's possible. >> to the point that were discussing earlier here, colonel jack, is based on the asymmetric and history making, unfortunately, in this conflict that we've seen with hamas this time around in this year of 2023, which we've never seen before, then what you're saying is a possibility, might make sense, because as they go

through this particular deal, asymmetric approach to it means not following what they agreed to and adding other things on to it, does kind of fit in. >> well, not only that. i mean, if you listen to what the president said yesterday, then you don't believe anything hamas says. furthermore, once the hostages are released, all of them are released, there is an argument that says that they will never all be released because hamas has got to keep some leverage. hamas is closer to getting attacked again. it doesn't want that to happen either. until it is ready to defend. so, that's why it's liable. this is going to become, i mean, the military person will tell you this will become more difficult, not less difficult. the optimist says, no, it's going to be easier. the truth is probably going to be somewhere in between. as long as the pressure is kept on both sides and the intermediaries act as if

they're true intermediaries and don't favor one side or another, it might get easier. but it's difficult to see how hamas is going to give up its last bit of leverage in the end, before it gets attacked again. >> if you're just joining us, we're at the quarter hour. update you on what we just learned this hour and that is, if you look at the bottom of your screen, indeed, hostages have arrived in egypt. these are the 13 hostage is that we're supposed to be released by hamas today. that has happened. the idf says yes, that in the last 15 or so minutes, that the red cross transferred the hostages to egypt. so, again, the hostages have been released. now, we are waiting to understand the other side, which is the prisoner release by israel into west bank, through west bank, excuse me. we are waiting to see when and if that does happen. so, we're looking at that.

that's what we just learned. that was a big question, just two hours ago, whether we were actually going to make it to this point in day two of this historic deal that brought a truce to the israel, hamas war. rob, true intermediaries. now, we look at qatar and we look at egypt, are they true intermediaries on behalf of what might be the better angels, if you will? once you want peace. are they the best partners that can be had at this moment? >> i think so and we've done this with the qataris for a number of years. i think they are one of the best ones out there. but what we also, >> as colonel jack had spoken about, it will get easier, logistically, for these exchange visits to go on. but actually, for the negotiations, i think he's right and they will get more

complicated as we get less and less sausages. what is going to be those factors that go into negotiations? i think what you're going to see, what we actually won't see, is there is going to be side deals from the qataris, from the egyptians, from the americans, that really won't even come out. and those will be the ones that they have to do in order to get hamas to release the last hostages. it's going to get very difficult when they get less and less, because again, that's their one key. and for them to give them up, it's going to take a lot. i think it's going to be side deals. the qataris are very, very good at this. they've helped us before, they've done it and i think that they are the right partners. >> i want to go to david noriega, nbc news correspondent and israel, with the latest. david, we are watching some of this video coming in from egypt and we saw that would appear to be children as well as adults leaving a bus. that bus that's on the left-hand side of our screen.

what are we learning? what are you seeing? >> richard, we are just getting information from there is a group in israel that represents the families of the hostages. they, in just the last few minutes, have decided to start releasing the names and some detailed information about some of the people who we expect are being released tonight, this is reliable information because these families get that information from the idf, right? they know who these people are who are being released. here is what we know. sharon i victory, 52 years old, with her 12-year-old daughter, -- sharon is a drama therapists who works with people on the autism spectrum. her daughter know, again, 12 years old, about to celebrate her bat mitzvah. we have another pair of siblings -- alma is 13 years old, noem is 17 years old.

their mother was murdered and their older brother, -- , survived. let's see. we have, sorry, we're just getting this information as we speak. emily hand, nine years old from kibbutz -- she celebrated her birthday last night, friday, november 24th. she just turned nine. these are some of the people. he loved -- 13 years old. these are some of the people who are expected to be released tonight, richard. we are just getting this information. we hope to learn more about them and their condition in the minutes and hours ahead. but this is developing and again, minute by minute, and we are starting to get a little bit of a picture of who these people actually are. again, a little bit of what we saw last night they're trying to release relatives together, family members together. here we are seeing the mother and daughter, two siblings. but again, these are not complete families. not only because some of their

family members died during the attack on october 7th, but also because in some instances, other family members are being left behind. we will keep looking for more of this information. again, this is partial. this is a partial list and it's a list that the organization that represents these families, this is the information that they've been willing to release so far. we will obviously keep you updated with anything that they keep coming in our direction. >> david, as always, amazing reporting today on this historic second day of this deal coming out of israel and hamas, and the latest reporting. all of those names and we do have the pictures now of the names that you were just listing. so, no i'm over, 17. alma or, 13. we also have no -- 12, also part of the hostages that were released just now. sharon -- 52. and then finally, the pictures

that we have for you was sharon avid dory. okay, so david, thank you so much for the reporting. those are some of the pictures there of the names and as we get them in, where appropriate, we will share that. if and when we get it through all the protocols here in our standards for department, but then we see the faces of these families that are represented. now free after seven weeks in captivity in as hostages. we are just getting this. david, thank you so much. i believe we are going with allie raffa. allie raffa is still with us and you know, as we look at these pictures, that never changes, that we see the families and the people that have had to live through absolute heck health throughout the last seven weeks, ali. >> absolutely, richard. these families, no doubt, breathing a sigh of relief.

just in a few hours or days, getting their family members back after weeks of waiting and a u.s. official in the last few hours said, expectations for the familiesf americans, the nine american citizens and the one u.s. green card holder who are currently being held by hamas, indicating that the families of those americans will have to wait a little longer. saying that there will not be any americans released today, but saying they are still hopeful that three will get out with the 50 agreed upon, as part of this multi-day cease-fire. that official, referring to three americans, to american women, as well as a four-year-old american girl among those nine american citizens and the one u.s. green card holder being held by hamas. and a senior administration official really told us that because of the history, as far as these releases go, they are

hopeful that americans will be among those released. if not today, but in the next two days, as the cease-fire deal continues. they say that because the first hostage is to be released by hamas two weeks after this work began, the -- mother and daughter from the chicago area, they say that gives them hope for more to come. white house and national security council officials also give us some details as far as what the president was doing behind the scenes yesterday and today, to facilitate this deal, and to add pressure to make sure it is implemented. they say that the president was briefed throughout the morning on the state of the hostage deal. they say this morning, he spoke directly with the amir of qatar, as well as the qatari prime minister about potential holdups to this deal. they say following the presidents call, senior u.s. officials were in regular contact with their egyptian, qatari, and israeli counterparts.

and that the president has been and is continuing to be briefed, as far as the latest developments on the ground. notably, richard, the president, in just the last few minutes in nantucket, was asked when these american hostages would be released. he did not answer that question. the president did say yesterday that there's still so much work needed to be done, but he did say that this deal was the start of something very promising, richard. >> allie raffa at the white house, thank you so much. great reporting all this hour. and we are going to finish by showing you those names again of those that we have that were just released. hillary rotem, 13. alma or, 13. noam avigdori, well. sharon avigdori, 52. emily hand, nine. and those are the faces of what

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