thank you for spending part of this tuesday with us and for the ability to share our exciting and big news. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> hi, alicia, you the greatest if not best news of the day if not many days around here of nicolle being a new mother. >> do you know how hard it's

been for me to keep that secret? i feel relieved it's out in the open. >> sometimes in the newsroom you get a tip or a lead, but it's not reportable yet. >> but nothing i wanted to celebrate as much as this. >> yeah, no, it was awesome, and we love reporting good news. i thought you and her had a great conversation. we were all watching and feeling great about it. thank you for all of that and we'll see you soon. >> you got it. >> thanks the alicia and again, our big congratulations to nicolle wallace. our time neighbor and a valued colleague among so many of us, and happy news for her and her family. we did want to say that. that is the personal local stuff. we'll get into all the big news in the world. we're tracking several stories on "the beat" including heat on a trump codefendant in georgia. the white house touting these democratic wins as they gear up for what they say could be a campaign season of blue wave momentum. we have a special guest on that tonight, someone you may know

because he work for obama. plus tonight, rob reiner is backs with a talk punch lines, politics and his new jfk project. so as you can see we have a lot coming up. that's later in the hour. the top story right now, the top story in the united states and across much of the middle east the news of a tentative hostage deal, which would mark the biggest breakthrough to date. we know they have a deal with palestinian offic meeting at the major potential break through, where hamas would release 50 women and children er four days. in exchange, israel would release 150 prisoners in their custody. there would also be a cease-fire to aid trucks getting into gaza. those are the general outlines of what is described by all parties as a tentative deal. you know what the word tentative

means. i can tell you as you see here, it's about 1:00 a.m. local time at the israel/gaza border. netanyahu is in a cabinet meeting trying to make the deal. he's push, for it. it's a difficult decision, but the right decision. u.s. officials stress it is precarious, it could fall apart. earlier president biden said, nothing's done until it's done. aaron mclaughlin is live in tel aviv israel where we begin tonight, erin? >> reporter: the government has been meeting for some five hours now weighing this deal. this is a process that takes time. there are 38 ministers in the israeli government, and each and every one of them will have the opportunity to have their say, and then the vote. and to put into perspective, in 2011 when the government was weighing the deal that led to the release of israeli kidnapped

soldier, that process took six hours, and in this case there's an ongoing war and the stakes are much higher. earlier today we heard from the israeli prime minster, address stop of the security concerns about a potential deal, saying that the israeli soldiers, israeli security apparatus approved the deal on the ground and on the ground they would not be jeopardized because of a deal and if anything a deal would help israel in the war evert, allowing them to reassess the situation. and all of this happening as the government is coming under immense fire from the families of the hostages. it is impossible to overstate their pain and anguish at the loss of their loved ones, taken, kidnapped into gaza, and that is weighing, we know, on senior israeli officials. earlier this week we heard from benny gantz, an opposition

member of the war kaeb net point out, they have decades to fight hamas but they do not have decades to save these hostages. ari? >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for that reporting. we bring in a special guest on a night of this tentative deal and major potential significance. ambassador david ross special envoy during the peace talks. served as a negotiate in the clinton administration. he also did a stint in the obama administration. ambassador ross, thank you for being here. what do you think of the outlines of this tentative deal? >> well, i think, look, this is something that has been out there for a while. hamas from the very beginning was conveying that they would release 50 hostages. they were -- there were rumors it could be 100. i think hamas all along has

viewed this as a vehicle, as a means to try to get the israelis to stop or at least to give them respite. the israelives, i think the report is very accurate in terms of saying not just the impact of the hostage families, but i think one of the things we have to understand, the israeli military supports this not because they want to stop the pressure and momentum they have now in gaza on the ground, and they have quite a bit, but because they feel as an organization, as an institution, they failed. the reason they have ohio state annals is because they failed. the leadership of the idf says they have hostages because they failed. they should never have been taken as hostages, and they have to put that as priority.

>> where does the scale of a potential swap of this size if it happens fall in the history of this conflict? >> first, there's never been this many israeli-- hostages before. in 2011, you had a soldier. 1,082 prisoners released to get him back. you the architect of the october 7th attack. we've seen israelis release thousands of prisoners to get back one or two people, often times dead bodies, not even someone like the soldier. there is a history here that the israelis have the attitude, we leave nobody in the field. in this case they're not soldiers. there are soldiers included in the 240, but the first 50 are women and children who have nothing to do with this, who are

completely innocent, and who hamas has taken because they saw them as pawns and as assets. they thought they could deter the israelis from attacking them on the ground. they were wrong. they thought it would just be israeli bombing, which they thought that would be great, because they don't mind if a lot of palestinians die, because that can put great pressure on israel. they still see these as assets, because they're able to at least get a pause, and they're also getting 150 palestinians, women and basically teenagers, those i think are 16 to 19, will be released. my understanding is 150 are those who have been taken in the west bank over the course of the last year. >> ambassador, we -- i just want to jump in to say, we look at the overall scale and timing of this, it's been much horror and

terror. there have been civilian casualties on both sides. this potential deal if it is approved or announced or becomes real over the weekend would be i suppose some of the first good news or diplomatic breakthrough in the whole thing. do you view that as an onramp to more breakthroughs given your experience? or is it best understood about something that's about a certain number of children and women hostages and not really dealing with the rest? >> i think it's focused mostly on the issue of releasing this first batch of the hostages. the israeli objective so to make sure hamas can never be a threat to them again. which means they have to weaken hamas. military wherewithal, capability

largely undone so as an organization it loses its coherence. hamas is not going to negotiate that. there is a question -- i guess, ari, i'll raise with you -- if it's going to be a gateway to something else, the gateway might be something like 1982 when there was a siege of beirut that went on for nine weeks, and then the yasser arafat, his withdraw from lebanon was negotiated. it is possible, if you're looking for gateways diplomatically, it is possible that hamas leadership will agree to release all the hostages in return for being allowed to leave gaza? under the circumstances you could bring this war to an end. i would love to see someone make this as a proposal publicly.

if you really are serious about trying to bring this war to an end and save the palestinians in gaza from the extraordinary suffering that they're experiencing, hamas could do that by making a decision, okay, we will leave gaza. will they do that? i think it probably goes against their credo, but if those in the arab world really want to save the palestinians, those in the global south really want to save the palestinians, why not make that as a proposal? then you could build off of what we've just seen. >> well, a lot of people observe and talk about this conflict. you have been inside it diplomatically. you've met with both sides. you've said you would like to see that raised publicly. if i'm not mistaken you've done that on the american air waves. as you said, is this a surgical piece of it which israel would

not have under other conditions certainly take? or a prelude to something else that saves civilian lives on both sides of the conflict. obviously should merit the world's attention. ambassador ross we come to you on these big nights. thank you for coming on "the beat." >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. we'll have more later in the hour, but coming up we turn to the d.a., fani willis making a surprise appearance as a case today dealing with codefendants. and "saturday night live" is roasting president biden. what does it tell us about politics? there are actual clues. we'll get into that with the one and only rob reiner, who's my guest at 30 rock. first, an obama campaign veteran jim messina on the gop's speaker hangover when we're back in 60 seconds. in 60 seconds.

republicans have had a month

with their new speaker and they're still learning about him. three weeks after the ouster of kevin mccarthy got chaotic with matt gaetz and others going ham on the floor of the house, they basically rushed the ending of that process and settled on the low profile mike johnson as their consensus pick. now this magafied party is learning how johnson himself warned against electing trump in 2015, warning that he was dangerous. johnson repeatedly -- reportedly went to visit trump in person just last night. "the times" has that story. johnson knows he can not afford to have trump weighing in publicly against him according to that analysis, and a party speaker usually does try to stay on good terms with the past president of that party or in this case what they think is the likely nominee. what is unusual is one contrast here to the speaker johnson just replaced, because kevin mccarthy released that now infamous

picture of his trump trip trying to rebuild his standing after publicly rebuking the then losing outgoing president for his role in the january 6th insurrection. this time at least so far, this new speaker johnson, is not releasing that kind of picture or making an announcement. "the times" coverage to which we owe this news. johnson did formally endorse trump for president last week, which is another sign this party's debates and primaries are now viewed by the party elites as a formality. trump used to rage against the elites. well, lately he's been calling on republican elites to try to short circuit any genuine democracy process. we'll see if that's accepted by rank and file republicans in iowa in early states, because that would be the last chance in january for republicans to stand up and at least vote in a way that creates a real primary. remember, trump did lose the first republican vote in 2016 in iowa. there's no rule the house

speaker has to endorse or got involved. and as for the now ousted former republican speaker. mr. mccarthy is still withholding his 2024 endorsement. we're joined by jim messina, obama's campaign manager and deputy chief of staff. how you doing? >> i'm great, ari. how are you? >> i'm good. a lot going on. in your experience, first question on the speaker's race is, do you think this is still a hangover as they figure out who mike johnson is? and what do you make of the difference between him and mccarthy and dealing with trump? >> i think it's an absolute hangover, ari. here's the issue -- none of them really are speaker. it's donald trump. they race to marl to get their instructions, to swear fealty to him, to make sure he doesn't get too mad at them, and he's going to demand things. this is not a guy who's going to pat them on the head and say, thanks for coming. he's going to say, this is what i want. what he wants is a far right agenda that is going kill them

in the general election. we get excite about johnson. he's not really in charge. the party's now completely and totally sold and owned by donald trump. >> yeah. that's sort of the problems over there. when you look at the numbers, i know you know as well, trump got fewer votes in '16. he got badly beat in a blue wave in '18. got fewer votes in '20 and lost the electoral college. so there's certainly a lot of validity for the points you just made about trump being a drag, and that might benefit your side. you argue that worrying about president biden at this point is premature. you said swing voters are not tuned in yet. they're the ones who decide the election. that point makes sense, but it

may not fully address what could be a problem for your party, which is that people who often like the democrats and younger people who are oriented against maga are not exactly publicly measurably superenthused about joe biden. i want to play you some sound we have, including some from tick tiktok. let's take a listen. >> how is it a $100 million budget cut in new york city for -- [ bleep ] schools, library, police safety, and sanitation yet joe biden's talking about, yeah, we can fund two wars. >> nothing. neither. >> not joe biden. neither. >> who would you put? >> [ bleep ] myself. >> critical of joe biden at the bare minimum, you can criticize democrats. >> this whole, i'm not going to vote for biden in 2024 is maybe

one of the most selfish and insane strategies i've seen in politics. >> that's a sample of the conversation. we like to listen to real people, not just political professionals. you worked an e-obama campaign that was skilled at listening to and engaging young voters, internet tools, all that stuff. what do you say seriously to this concern out there? is it real? >> it is real, and i'm so glad, ari, you used tiktok, because tiktok has become the place americans now talk about politics. i spend a ton of time there learning and listening and doing a whole bunch of research on this. and the truth is the biden campaign understands this, too. they have the largest buy ever put forward this early with african american, latino, and youth campaign targets. they're treating them at persuasion. they're making the case. and i think that's really smart.

there's a lot of information out there. you're one of the best sources to kind of piece through it. it's not always readily available on places like tiktok. so we have to take our case directly to these voters and make an affirmative case. not just say this is about donald trump. it has to be about joe biden, and i think the campaign knows that. >> really interesting. jim, thanks for catching up with us. we'll be calling on you a lot as the election heats up, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you. donald trump's rico case in georgia heating up because there was a hearing with a codefendant. the d.a. made a rare appearance, delivering the arguments herself. the cameras were rolling. we have that tonight. but first, rob reiner, the legendary writer, director, and politico is here. he has a jfk project. we're going to bet into all of it. >> the body with a money can afford to buy tv and radio time to get their message across to the people. the other party doesn't stand a chance! it's like politics in america! only for the rich. >> who's been feeding you that

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political punch lines are of course familiar to our next guest who is, and i say this literally, as much a creative as he is a politico. rob reiner live on "the beat" right now. you know the actor and director of iconic films that capture everything from how america works, like "a few good men", to how love works "when harry met sally", to how fantasy works "the princess bride." >> $30,000 in one month, jordy, huh! >>, so you're mr. bunker. >> figured that out, huh? >> the business expenses? relax. >> look what you got here! look at this! $26,000 for one [ bleep ] dinner! >> he has a girlfriend, glenda. he's a weight lift every. it's not like her neck is bigger than her head. >> no, i'm not asking to you hook me up. >> $26,000 worth of sides?

what are they sides, they cure cancer? >> who are you doing here? >> what? >> what about the other foot? there ain't no sock on it. >> i'll get to it. >> don't you know that the whole world puts on a sock and a sock and a shoe and a shoe? >> rob reiner is here. he joins us now. his latest documentary defending my life is about his friend albert brooks. and he has a new podcast called "who killed jfk?" ? rob, thanks for being here. >> yes, my pleasure, ari. >> you were telling me one of those episodes you remember. >> yes, the one where i was with the beard and the -- i wrote that episode. that was a flash back to the first time archie and mike ever met, and i was calling him prejudice and he was singing "god bless america." >> when you write something like that and enact it, do you know up front how it's going to be and feel, or it comes there you the rehearsal process? >> we did it every week in front

of the audience. it's like putting on a play. you find things in rehearsal. >> i don't like a live audience, you don't get do-overs. >> you're doing it. you're in front of a live audience. >> that was the joke. >> okay, i missed that one. bing. >> i'm going to tell people, because this is a live thing. this is not on tape. i asked rob in the break, duh see "saturday night live" this weekend? you said you haven't. we're all going to experience this together. i want to get into this with you. you have "snl's" opening skit, which mocks president biden as out of touch, struggling to even win over voters who say trump is an authoritarian menace. take a look. >> to keep things on the rails, i'm going to read from the teleprompter. i had a great meeting with president roman numeral 11. excuse me, president xi.

they all don't have to be for the panda. let's get one for me. >> sure, let's talk about your middle east policy. >> you know, i think people are liking the panda, right? >> if trump gets elected in 2024, that would be a disaster. >> so you will vote for biden. >> mmm. >> is this a bad sign for president biden? what does this comedy and culture tell us about his standing? >> well, i don't think you even have to look past the comedy. last segment you talked about how young people are confused. they don't like trump, this a don't like biden, they can't decide who they want to vote for. but i'm trying to impress upon people as best i can that every time we have a presidential election, they always say, this is the most important election of our lifetime. >> and people get tire offend that. >> they're tired of it. this one actually is. >> i think you're right. it's a problem we're tired of

and literally true this time. >> yeah, no, no, no, you have one candidate in trump who actually tells you he's going to govern like an authoritarian. he says it. it's not a mystery. and you have another guy who has been there, knows how to run the government, believes in the constitution, believes in democracy, the rule of law, and you've got to make a choice. you have to make a choice. do we want fascism, or do we want to continue the 248 years of self-rule? >> this isn't just a compliment. this is why i like listening to you. you just said it. do you want fascism or not? are you going give your vote to someone trying to take your vote? which doesn't mean you have to pretend everything is sunny and perfect. >> no, you make a choice. and right now we're at a place where it's a cross roads.

do we want to continue democracy, or do we want to slip into fascism? >> let me show you from weekend update two of the jokes which in this we really selected for you tonight. these are kind of potentially substantive issues that are raised, including a joke about whether president's committing foreign policy gaffes. >> after president biden's successful meeting with china's president xi jinping, reporters asked president biden if he believed xi was a dictate, and i don't know if president biden was supposed to say yes, because look at this reaction from secretary of state antony blinken. >> well, look, he is. >> oh, man. that's the same face i make when my uncle starts a story by mentioning the race of the waitress. it's actually the same -- it's actually the same face i made when i heard biden say this

about ll cool j. >> lj cool j. that boy's got -- [ inaudible ]. >> llj cool j. i think the second j stands for jesus. >> how do you deal with that if that is the narrative and the filter, and as obama said, people aren't tuning in yet. well, they might not be turning into hard news, but they're seeing jokes and it's affecting their view of biden. >> you remember back to the old days of "saturday night live," chevy chase was doing gerald ford who tripped a lot, and every time he tripped that was the thing. here's the thing about joe biden. if you followed his political career, he's a gaffe factory. he's been making gaffes for a long, long time. >> this is not a new thing. >> no, this is something he does. of course it's different now.

you've got social media. you've got a.i. things go viral very quickly. but there's another thing that he's done for decades -- not only making gaffes, but making great policy. and knowing how to run the government and knowing how washington works, how the government works. and i want somebody with a steady hand on the wheel. i don't care if he makes a gaffe here and there. to me what matters is, how does it come out in the policy? are we protecting this wonderful experiment of 248 years? >> yeah, and you're speaking as well about our culture, and whether, as you said with gaffes, viral, there's a superficiality win out over everything and these event parts of biden, personality style and the language stuff, we have to -- we don't play favorites here. i'm showing what's really going on. we showed some of the criticism earlier. it's also fair to note, he did overcome a stutter and has a

different speaking style. if you're 20, you tune in and say, he's so old. as we get older, we don't have a problem with that. >> i make a million mistakes. you just don't want him making a mistake about something critical that affects our way of life, and that's what i'm worried about with donald trump, because he's already told us that he is going to put people in camps, and those of us who, you know, are jewish, we know what that -- that sound goes off and you go, oh, my god, we know what that means. so, you know, the choice couldn't be clearer. >> right, clear. as mentioned you're a story teller. we see some films and that you're good at that and that you're a person on camera. when you tune into a story and say, there's more here, that's interesting. you have this new story telling podcast about the jfk assassination. tomorrow's actually 60 years since he was assassinated.

to be clear, what we're looking at are the archival photographs of then president kennedy on what was the last day he was alive. >> right. >> your thoughts on kennedy, why this matters now, and what you're doing with this podcast, rob. >> the first thing you have to understand is that those of us who were alive and conscious during that time will never, ever forget where we were when he heard that news. i was in high school. i was in my physics class. they came into the school. kid came in, whispered in the teacher's ear, he turned to us and said, i have some have bad news. the president was assassinated. the whole country was in shock. they sent us home from school and we watched, from that moment on, from live television, we saw the man accused of killing kennedy himself get mur murdered on live television.

i saw that happen. it was a collective trauma for the entire nation. if you were alive then, that never goes away. it was the first time in a nation's history where we as a people started questioning whether or not the government was telling us the truth. up until then we were the heroes. we won the second world war. we were the good guys. and then we believed everything the government told us. then the warren commission report came out, and there were some people saying, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. none of this makes sense. when we started to question it, things fell apart. and so over the period of 60 years, we have gotten drips and drabs of things that have poked through. and for people who don't follow it, it's hard to put it all together. that's why we decided -- i'm working with soledad o'brien. we took all the information we've accumulated over 0 years

and put knit one place for people to understand what happened that day. and by the tenth episode you will have a complete picture of what happened that day. >> we're running over on time, but for all the people with questions out there, you feel that in the end there is a provable, empirical answer? >> there's a provable empirical answer about whether it was a conspiracy. there's no question about that. who actually shot -- we name them in the podcast. we say the positions they were in. we have a good guess as to who they were based on the all the research. i have been researching this on and off for 60 years. i've talked to forensic experts. i have been to the plaza. i talked to everybody who's still alive. i've talked to secret service people, people from the cia. and we bring them on to the pod cast, and we lay out exactly what happened. >> it's really interesting. we're over on time. i like to end on a lighter note.

favorite bagel shop in new york? >> i like a few of them. murray's bagels is pretty good. that's near my -- i have a place on 12th street, and that's pretty good. >> there you have it. rob reiner, murray's bagels. and a podcast you can check out. make up your own mind. always love seeing you. coming up, we see why the top lawyer in fulton county showed up in court toot in the rico case. toot in the rico case. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? make it arexvy.

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child. and i want omar back home. turning back to the story we have been covering tonight, the israeli cabinet has discussed what could be a major breakthrough in the israel-hamas war. the governmen considering this hostage deal we're reporting on, where hamas could free 50 women an children hostages over four days. in exchange, israel would release 150 palestinian women and children that are detained in this country. there would also be a pause in the fighting up to four days, a partial cease-fire that would allow for humanitarian aid and buss to get into gaza. they said there's the potential to extend a cease-fire if that's part of a deal for more hostages. we discussed earlier if this was a one-off for the extreme case or whether this could be an onramp to more. we now turn to bruce hoffman, an expert in matter of terrorism.

he joined us earlier for a long session as part of our extended series. he led the independent review to the government's response to terrorism after 9/11. welcome back, bruce. how do you understand what is described as this potential deal? >> it's definitely encouraging, because -- ryan jenkins famously said, we should be tough on the terrorists, not the hostages, so the highest priority is getting out women and children, especially babies. also, remember, hamas doesn't hold all of the hostage. israel is rightly so desperate to find out where the other hostages are, whether palestine islamic jihadists are holding them, whether criminal groups are, but to get a full accounting of all 246 hostages. >> when you look at this point i raise and we discussed with ambassador ross, this looks to you like a one-off, potential onramp, or too early to tell? >> well, it's all up to hamas.

i think for hamas everything's working out exactly according to plan. first of all, terrorism is a strategy of provocation, and israel was provoked into having to bomb, reduce gaza city to rubble, precisely because hamas hides its fighters, hides its munitions, hides its command centers beneath the city in tunnels. that's been accomplished. the exact moment when israel secured the north of gaza and is about to secure south of gaza, it's ideal for hamas to play its trump card, which is the reason in the first place it seize over 240 hostages. what they're counting on in fact is that will become difficult for israel despite benjamin netanyahu pledges to resume the operation, but actually that international pressure might intervene to make the cease-fire hold for much longer, and then of course hamas gets to survive against prime minster

netanyahu's promises to utterly destroy it. >> one of the areas where you've studied and have scholarship in writing and have been a resource to the united states and other governments is the actual measurable way that these conflicts and sometimes wars are prosecuted rather than what we sometimes here in general discourse, which is, gosh, why can't people get along? or immediate cease-fire. which isn't how wars work, wars in any region. can you walk us through what it means that from the israeli view, and did biden has spoken about this, that the way to get a cease-fire -- calls for a cease-fire in the wake of horrific terror attacks aren't peaceful in the sense of an advancement towards peace, but seem to be more like a unilateral disarment according to some experts. >> we have to remember the word war crimes. it's been kicked around a lot in

the past several weeks, but the initial war crime, and this was not only the initial attack that targeted civilians, but the kidnapping over 240 hostages, including the infirmed, the elderly, the disabled, babies, young children, women, men. and that's exactly what hamas was counting on, being able to use these hostage, firstly to trade something that's desirable for them, which right at this particular juncture, roughly five or six weeks into this war, is precisely a cease-fire so hamas itself can regroup, reorganize, recover, and it has been promised by its leaders both in qatar and beirut to carry on the struggle at another level at a time when it actually suits them. >> question with about 40 seconds, what are the regional players involvement -- what does that tell you? >> well, certainly many of the regional actors like iran that bank rolls hamas will also be

delighted, because they're happy to exchange hostages for a pause in the fighting that will enable hamas to fight another day, and that's exactly what the hamas leaders banked upon from the start hoff this tragedy. >> thank you for joining us as we try to make sense of this, quote, tentative deal. thank you, sir. >> you're very welcome. >> we wanted to get mr. hoffman's perspective on that. next to the story i told you about, d.a. willis making a rare court appearance. why? that's next. next. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours.

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turning to some news out of the key hearing in donald trump's ongoing georgia rico case, which as you know has many defendants. d.a. willis appeared in person. we can tell you this is the first time she's done so since that original indictment of donald trump and his rico codefendants was filed back in august. lots happened since then. willis argues one of the trump codefendants, this individual, harrison floyd, should actually have his bail revoked, should be held in jail before trial because of online posts because she and her office alleges amount to illegal witness tampering and intimidation. >> look at the evidence. he violated his court order, and there are real consequences for allowing defendants to intimidate witnesses. your honor, we're asking his bond be revoked and he be remanlded today. >> remanded today. his lawyer for go to jail right

now that is big ask. judges weigh these kind of things on a case by case basis. but willis says floyd already targeted one of the victims allegedly according to the indictment been through so much at the hands of donald trump and his hench people, election worker ruby freeman. we covered her story back on the january 6th committee hearing, she's named in the indictment, and the d.a. discussing how floyd's lawyer was discussing what floyd posted about her. >> the level of threats since all this began for ruby and shaye have been quite high. >> and in fact as a result of these comments made by floyd in relationship to this matter did you call what referred to me as a fight? >> yes, i believe, this is the report that tied a particular spike in online activity to the tweets from mr. employed. >> this may all be familiar when you think about the top rico defendant in this case, donald trump himself, who has also done

things with his power and reach that has caused these spikes, this menacing, this intimidation and floyd's defense lawyer, though, gets to make an argument as well basically this was free speech, that the posts were posts, that they weren't designed to physically actually intameidate. that issue is highlighted because both sides then question a georgia official who had been insulted by floyd online. >> do you enjoy being called a piece of fecal matter? >> no, ma'am. >> these posts aren't threatening to you. they may not be nice but they aren't threatening or intimidating for you, are they? >> it's par for the course when you're a public figure. >> that was a key moment right there. in fact, you may remember that official who spoke out against georgia's efforts to lie about the results and said this was more par for the course, more routine whether you like it or not an extreme violence menacing type of things.

a review of trump's media posts made the decision to go after floyd, hard to justify. and i've got to say on behalf of those rico defense lawyers, fair point because donald trump has done a lot of this. and that's why many people are rewatching this so closely because what you do to one codefendant could happen to another. and at the end of the day the judge did not throw this person back in jail before trial, did not revoke bail as the d.a. requested but ordered bond conditions modified so there would not be misuse of social media by that defendant in the future. if you're counting that would be a kind of good news for the type of people who are trying to get up to the line in what they say about this case before it goes to trial. and that's what went down in court today. we'll be right back. d that's whn court today. we'll be right back. more delicious, farm-fresh taste. plus, superior nutrition. because the way we care is anything but ordinary. ♪♪ (ella) fashion moves fast. (jen)ause the way we care so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level.

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