>> yeah, we're in brooklyn. >> if it's friday, you know it's -- hey. >> so you can always find me at arimelber.com. that's one way i've connected with and heard from a lot of you. the last two folks came up to me. they started the conversation. and i did what reporters do, i put them on video. thanks for being here. i'll see you tomorrow. "the reidout" with joy reid starts right now. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> if we're mourning anything this morning, it is the loss of democracy. >> under this tyranny, elected officials can be removed simply for political purposes and by a whim of the governor. and no matter how you feel about me, you should not be okay with that. >> monique was elected state attorney by the voters of florida. now ron desantis is using his authoritarian powers to remove

her from office. basically because he can. state attorney will join me tonight. also new details on a possible fourth indictment against donald trump in georgia. which could come in a matter of days. what fani willis could charge him with. plus, who his co-defendants might be. another big win for democracy. proposed constitutional change in ohio meant to thwart the will of the public on abortion and other major issues loses by a mile. clearly we have a lot to get to tonight as you can see. but we begin with an alarming genuinely frightening news. frightening item of news regarding violent threats against the president of the united states, joe biden. vice president kamala harris and other elected officials. threats that appear to be tied to donald trump's mounting legal peril. threats came from a utah man named craig d. robertson, who will not get to plead his case

in court because he was shot and killed today by the fbi as they were attempting to execute an arrest warrant. but what he did to earn that arrest warrant is chilling. on monday, robertson posted about president biden's trip to utah which took place today. the post included a thinly veiled threat of assassination. and it was far from an isolated incident by robertson. according to charging documents, the fbi had been investigating him since march, vice president harris, merrick garland, alvin bragg, new york state attorney general latitia james as well as the investigating fbi agents. some of the threats were very graphic and multiple posts included pictures of his various weapons. as well as what's called a gilly suit that enabled soldiers to camouflage themselves in the grass. robertson, who was 75, described himself in his posts as a maga

trumper, and even pointed out in some of the posts that the prosecutors and ags he was verbally attacking are prosecuting trump. it is chilling stuff, but not surprising. because when it comes to the use of violence to defend trump, we have seen with our own eyes that that is a real thing. and even a go-to for trump's most militant supporters. many of whom are sitting in prison right now for attacking the u.s. capitol on january 6th, 2021. last week's indictment against trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election made it clear that he tried to take advantage of the january 6th violence to further those efforts. in fact, one of his co-con speak tors ominously proposed maybe invoking the insurrection act to sick u.s. troops and arm militias on u.s. citizen. extremist groups like the proud boys were waiting for trump to invoke the insurrection act so that they could be his militias.

while the threat from these groups has seemed to die down after all the january 6th prosecutions, many national security analysts say the threat that keeps them up at night now days is the threat from lone actors, like this guy in utah. new analysis published this week shows that federal charges involving threats to public officials has spiked in the last year. and it's just the latest reminder that trump and his social media posts and his rally speeches, while he can sometimes seem like a joke and a buffoon to many of us, he still is dangerous as ever. let's not forget that in june a january 6th defendant who was arrested near former president barack obama's house with multiple guns and loads of ammo showed up after trump posted a screen shot that included obama's address. a post that the defendant reposted. joining me now is jim cavanaugh, former atf special agent in charge, author of "murder and passion in the music city."

george conway, conservative lawyer and contributor to "the washington post." thank you both for being here. and i do want to start with you, jim. you know, there is -- there's a lot of national security analysis that says that the threat from the far right has morphed from proud boys, oath keepers, 3%ers that kind of thing, to this individual lone actor, like we saw in utah. is that what keeps you up at night? and when you took a look at this charging document, what were your thoughts? >> well, first, joy, the fbi did a good job staying on this guy since march. you know, taking it very seriously, bringing their team to bear this morning. what you look at on these threats -- and i looked those up with my agents before, busted one up against president-elect obama years ago by neo-nazis right here in tennessee, and they were going to kill him, try to kill him with rifles like this and shoot 88 black children in the school. back then, people didn't believe

someone would shoot children in the school, but we have since seen they will. we believe they would have. but any way, he had the ability with the weapons. he had the desire, which he stated clearly he wanted to clear the president and vice president, attorney general and the da bragg and with the president going to utah he had the opportunity, ability, desire and opportunity. you have to act. so the fbi had to act. and they acted this morning. most likely i don't know exactly -- they haven't released everything, but i was the special agent in charge. i ran divisions. this is what we would do in a case like this, joy. we wound send in the fbi s.w.a.t. team from the salt lake division was deployed and called him on the phone or on a hailer and said we have a search warrant. we're fbi. you need to come out. and he may have, you know, stuck his gun out the window and they shot him. or could have been a flashbang

deployed and then they shot him. but nevertheless, witnesses say they heard two loud, large bangs. so there wasn't a lot of big lengthy confrontation. and he had already told the agents, you know, if you want to talk to me again, bring a warrant. so he's being threatening the agents. he's being forceful against the agents and the government. he's an anti-government crack pot. and we dealt with many of them. they're armed in teeth. they want to fight it out. they want to die. they want to, you know, espouse all this crazy stuff. it's sad. but the goal for the agents is just to arrest them. unfortunately he resisted with violence by either pointing the rifle or shooting at them and they had to respond because they don't need to be killed doing their duty. >> let me just read you, jim, real quick what "the new york times" wrote in a piece called "trump support eers violent rhetoric." experts on political violence warn that attacks against people or constitutions become more likely when elected fishls or

prominent media figures are able to issue threats or calls for violence with immunity and aggressive language does not directly end in physical harm, it creates a dangerous atmosphere the idea of violence becomes more accepted if such rhetoric is left unchecked. we know you were very much in the waco situation in the '90s which there was a lot of heated rhetoric about bill clinton and gun confiscations. how does the atmosphere now and trump's rhetoric and his ally's rhetoric compare to that kind of an atmosphere back then? >> well, you're exactly right, joy. for years this rhetoric was the lunatic fringe. just after the civil rights era ended, we had a very heavy lunatic fringe. the birmingham bombing killing the four little girls, bull connor killing civil rights workers and people trying to register voters in mississippi, medgar evers, we could go on and on about all that violence. that talk was permeated to society. but after all that, that stuff was died down and everybody

pushed it back. it was the lunatic fringe talk like that and our politicians, you know, were against that. we heard many comments from republican leaders over the years that said, no, bush 43 after the 9/11 attack when he stood up for the muslim community. but you know, we pushed the lunatic fringe talk to the corner where it belongs. when you support that, if you're any politician, either side of the aisle, supports violent rhetoric, against government employees, federal officers, years ago the nra took out an ad in the "washington post" against atf and said they're jack booted thugs. that gives people a license to shoot. >> yes, absolutely. that has existed, george, it's a good point that you make. it was the dixie cats during the medgar evers area. it's now migrated from the democratic party into the republican party. let me play from trump voters in

new hampshire. this is new hampshire, not even in dixie. take a listen. >> that's nazi germany hitler. you can't silence your political opponent because you don't agree with them. joe biden should be in prison for his bribes. >> the vote was stolen. i believe it. in my heart. remember, they blew up one of the election quarters where they kept all of the dominion machines. why did that blow up? >> donald trump were to be found guilty, by a jury, where do you see this going? >> civil war. civil war. we can't live together obviously. >> if he wants me to protect him, i'm going to go there and let him no i'll do it. >> these are senior citizens, this guy was 75 in utah. >> all it takes is one man with one gun and one incident and you kill a few people. and that's the scary -- that's the scary aspect of it. donald trump creates a permission structure these people would not otherwise have to do this. he basically endorses this. he encourages it. he engages in what social

scientists call power ellipsis, the use of words that have two meanings. that's what he told people on january 6th. let's fight. you need to fight for your country. he uses apock lip tick rhetoric. people will be very upset. encouraging the violence and saying i didn't mean that literally. they know what he means. that sort of thing empowers these people. these people who think that they're -- they feel put upon and that they're helpless and they really are because they're not very smart and they're very isolated. but he empowers them. he makes them part of an army. and that is exceedingly dangerous. >> in this indictment his spelling was quite poor. he seemed to feel like he understood the first amendment and said he can post these death threats and come and get me basically was his attitude toward the fbi. this is my free speech right. sounds like donald trump. that is so embedded in somebody so far from power, how can the power eradicate this if none of

the leaders are willing to say about it? >> i can't imagine a republican leader today saying you shouldn't be threatening the president of the united states. >> right. they won't do it because they themselves fear these people. remember, lindsey graham said a few words back in january of 2021 that were not exactly favorable to donald trump and he was accosted at airports. these people are afraid. liz cheney, while she was still in congress had to go around with the security guard, with a security team, that she paid out with her own money all around wyoming. i mean, republicans are not just intimidated. republican politicians are not just intimidated by voters at the ballot box, but they are intimidated by these people who they know have weapons. >> is there anyone with the moral authority to talk -- the republican party writ large, the voters down? >> no. i don't think so at this point. i don't think -- i think anyone who crosses trump, who contradicts him, is then castigated. and treated as, oh, he's just

another liberal. he's pro biden. everything is black and white in that regard. and it's terrifying. >> it is terrifying. jim cavanaugh, george conway, thank you both. we'll figure this out, i hope. up next on "the reidout" trump lashes out fulton county fani willis as she prepares to announce indictments as early as next week potentially. "the reidout" continues after this. week potentially. "the reidout" continues after this who are our ancestors? i know we have them. when i found that immigration record on ancestry®, it just changed everything. i feel like a time traveler. ♪

socks, underwear and t-shirts are the most requested items in homeless shelters. bombas was founded to help. so for everyone you buy, we donate one. one purchased. one donated. it's a tangible act of kindness for those who need it most. distributed by 3500. giving partners across all 50 states. and with 75 million donations and counting, the impact is real. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... being me. keep being you...

and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your healthcare provider about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your healthcare provider. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. no matter where life takes you, biktarvy can go with you. talk to your healthcare provider today.

hi, i'm lauren, i lost 67 pounds in 12 months on golo. biktarvy can go with you. golo and the release has been phenomenal in my life. it's all natural. it's not something that gives you the jitters. it makes you go through your days with energy, and you're not tired anymore, and your anxiety, everything is gone. it's definitely worth trying. it is an amazing product.

fulton county district attorney fani willis, investigating donald trump's alleged effort to overturn his election loss in georgia is expected to present her case to a grand jury next week. trump is lashing out at her as his fourth indictment looms. >> they say there's a young woman, a young racist in atlanta. racist. and they say, i guess they say that she was after a certain gang and she ended up having an affair with the head of the gang or gang member. and this is a person that wants to indictment me. she has a lot of problems but she wants to indictment me to try to run for some other office. >> okay. okay. so all of that was bogus and completely untrue. but let's just pause on the part where he accuses willis of having an affair with a gang member. why would he think that or say that? and why would he put that baseless claim in a campaign ad released last week? >> biden's newest, atlanta d.a.,

fani willis. she got caught hiding a relationship with a gang member she was prosecuting. >> again, bogus. baseless and completely untrue. moments ago, nbc obtained an email sent from fani willis so our staff responding to the trump ad. she slammed the ad as derogatory and false and urges her staff to remain focussed. the ad tries to add legitimacy to the claim why sourcing a rolling stone article from january, written by music and culture writer, andre g. here is the article which talks about how fani willis, back in 2019 served as defense attorney to an atlanta-based rapper. here is the contest. mondo is a co-founder young thug who now prosecutor fani willis indicted along with multiple members of the crew in a sweeping rico case that alleges they are not a rap crew, they

are a gang. see where this is going? note again that willis was not mondo's prosecutor at the time as the trump ad claims. she was his defense lawyer. the rolling stone piece does not say or even suggest that the two had a relationship outside of their professional one. meaning, trump is doing what trump does. taking a fragment of something that is true, that fani willis knows ysl-mondo in order to defame an discredit her in a way that is particular to her being a woman and a black woman at that. and with trump, it's rarely clear whether he actually believed the lies he tells, history has shown us that he'll believe anyone who confirms his silly putty logic and tells him what he wants to hear. in this case, trump isn't the only one peddling this false claim about fani willis. a trump-supporting hip hop podcaster named d.j. academics has a role in spreading this lie as well.

he promoted the claim on ex-twitter today. here he is with trump at a ufc fight in april. we on the show are not saying d.j. academic played the john eastman, rudy giuliani role with this lie trump is adopted. joining me now is paul butler, former federal prosecutor. and the aforementioned andre g., staff writer for rolling stone. before i get to you, andre, i have to ask you, paul, i asked you off camera and want to ask you on camera. that is a lie that donald trump is telling and tells it in an ad. it's hard for public figure sue for defamation but could she? >> this is an outrageous lie. it actually could get d.a. willis disbarred. it's unethical to have a relationship with a client. but it didn't happen. it's just another one of his racist, dog whistles just like

he called d.a. alvin bragg an animal. racist is his insult of choice for black prosecutors. he called d.a. bragg and letitia james, new york state attorney general racist as well when we all know who the real racist is. >> flipping that word on its head. andre, welcome to the show. your article is what donald trump is using as the basis for this claim. >> yes. >> you wrote about the relationship such as it was between fani willis and ysl. what was that relationship? >> yeah. so, ms. willis, she represented mondo during a 2019 aggravated assault case, during a brief stint -- a brief break from her prosecutorial career where she had her own practice. and, yeah, she represented him. she was his defense attorney. but, yeah, i want to be clear. at no point in my report did she

imply there was anything romantic went on between them. they had like a mother/son, auntie/nephew relationship at points. she was a mentor figure. she, you know, would give him advice i guess to keep him on the right track to speak here and there. there was no implication of anything unethical during their relationship, their professional relationship. >> and there's even like a piece to your story where she warns him, you know, stay on the right path because, you know, if i go back to being a prosecutor, i'm coming for you. try to tell him, don't get in trouble. yeah, this is an auntie kind of relationship. implied it's some sort of sexual relationship seems really bizarre. but really to stay with you for a second, andre, this is not the only kind of hip hop connection to georgia's -- to the georgia connection to donald trump's tried to attempt the overturn the election. at one point kanye west's publicist is going after these two black women who are doing

nothing other than being good citizens and attempting to be georgia election workers for which there's now a lawsuit. can you talk a little bit about that? >> yeah. in late 2021, like you said, there were two women who freeman was one of the women who alleges that kanye west publicist came to her house and accused her of electoral misconduct and basically tried to pressure her to admitting that she committed election fraud. but in december, 2021, kanye west representative told reuters that the publicist was no longer -- wasn't working for ken ya at a time she did it or that she visited ms. freeman. >> the thing that is so sort of bizarre, paul, is number one, donald trump seems like he'll believe anyone who tells him what he wants to hear, right? so when chesebro tells him, hey,

you can just have different electors. good. i love it. giuliani says, hey, say venezuela, somebody came up out of the grave or maduro did it to you. great. he'll take anyone who will tell him what he wants to hear. in this case, i have to play this for you. this is what he was actually told by brad raffensperger who would know in georgia about election fraud. here it is. >> well, mr. president, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. we talked to the congressman, and they were surprised. i guess there was a person named mr. bray nard came to these meetings and presented data. he said there was dead people upward of 5,000. the actual number were, two, two. two people that were dead that voted. and so that's wrong. there was two. >> well -- >> and so, can it be a defense for donald trump if he is prosecuted in georgia that he just sincerely believed the

looney tune lawyers who told him there was election fraud, giuliani said ruby freeman were drug dealers. he believed that but didn't believe brad raffensperger. >> he could make that defense. if a belief is reasonable, it's much more likely to be seen as credible by jurors. but if trump is specifically asking the georgia secretary of state to find him 11,780 votes because that's how much he needs to get the election overturned, that's not a search for fruit. try to stay in office by any means necessary. the problem with these insultsi the judge is likely to be concerned about witness intimidation and whether he's trying infect the jury pool. the other problem we know

including from our first segment, when donald trump threatens people, violence sometimes follows. he made threats on january 6th, and then element of his supporters tried to murder. they were looking to murder the vice president and the speaker of the house at the capitol. >> let's play with fani willis has been receiving, the incoming she's gotten since donald trump started talking about her. >> all the typical racial slurs that you can imagine. they're very grotesque things. we're on family television. i don't know that i like to say all of them, but slave whore is one of them. probably been called the n words more times in the last two and a half years than most 100 people combined. >> and i think we might have the picture of what the courthouse looks like right now in atlanta because of donald trump's supporters. talk a little bit about that. i mean, the fact that donald trump is targeting her and now essentially trying to call her -- there it is, unethical and claiming she had a sexual

relationship with a gang member, which sounds to me like some racist bs. >> it's racist. it's sexist and it's classic donald trump. another black woman who is not his favorite right now is judge chutkan. and i think that insisting that this hearing on the protective order be this week, she's signaling her concern about what trump may say or do. we saw the kind of protection around the atlanta courthouse. reportedly the u.s. marshals had to up their security detail of judge chutkan as well. so, you know, they're entirely legitimate concerns about trump running for office and being able to say some things about january 6th, but he cannot continue this pattern of threatening witnesses. if you come after me, i'll come after you. judge chutkan is not going to have that. >> at some point, donald trump has to live somewhat within the law and the way that the rest of us will be expected to behave. paul butler and andre gee, thank

you. thank you, andre. welcome to the show. thank you for all of your reporting. thank you. it was the whole story today. if you want to understand more about the intersection of hip hop and politics, check out our reid out blog feature hip hop is universal msnbc.com/hiphop. coming up, a big win for democracy in ohio. as voters reject republican efforts to make it harder for them to make their voices heard. be right back. ke their voices h. be right back. dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not or sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor about new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. ask your specialist about dupixent.

rsv is in for a surprise. meet arexvy. ( ♪♪ ) the first fda-approved rsv vaccine. arexvy is used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions. ( ♪♪ ) arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain,

fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. rsv can be serious. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about arexvy today. rsv? make it arexvy. this is a bombas performance sock. for such a small item it performs big in so many ways. big on comfort. big on durability. big on breathability. bombas gives you big comfort for all your athletic pursuits.

in ohio, the republican-backed effort to get voters to impose a limit on their own right to direct democracy went down in a blaze of glory or maybe just a blaze. democrats and republicans joined to reject the ballot measure by a massive 14% margin. 57% to 43%. ohio, which has been written off as a reliably red state showed how powerful reproductive rights and democracy truly are as electoral issues. voters told "the new york times" campaign for issue 1 was disingenuous, a game or sneaky tactic and backers were trying to pull a fast one. this sentiment was bipartisan. perhaps explaining why the outcome on tuesday was close even in counties that donald trump won by 20 points or more in 2020. republicans have gone to great lengths to pretend this was about getting voterer's power, to push back on lad rale left,

liberal, out of state voters. republicans got millions of dollars from east coast donors, like susan b. anthony pro life america, a washington-based anti-abortion super pac. in june, ohio secretary of state who is running for the republican u.s. senate nomination for the chance to face off against incumbent democratic senator sherrod brown told supporters that issue 1 is 100% about keeping radical pro abortion amendment out of our constitution despite majority support for it. so, just to be clear, the polling says most ohioans want that amendment in the constitution. nearly 60% of them do. but it's the rest of what he said that was a hm moment for me. >> the other side prevailed. this is just one battle in a much larger war, though. because the all-out assault on ohio is coming from the radical left. i mean, look at the tech billionaires from california and

new york that funded the no campaign. and they've got other bad plans. this radical abortion amendment this november that takes away parental rights of -- they want to bring a minimum wage increase, massive increase min maum wage to ohio put ohioans out of work. they want to disarm law-abiding citizens. >> no. you said the quiet part outloud. raising the minimum wage, gun reform measures to reduce mass shootings. those tend to poll really well even across party lines. which would explain why the republican state senate president predicted that lawmakers would try to pass the 60% to amendment the constitution democracy-limiting measure again. just not next year. which is when the presidential and the ohio u.s. senate race happens. joining me now is connie schultz, pulitzer prize winning columnist and author of the "hopefully yours newsletter."

great to see you. it's been quite a while, ms. connie schultz. and let me ask you this, first of all, congratulations to the women and really everyone in ohio for preserving the right to amend your own constitution, 111 years strong. so that was a win. but i wonder how long of a memory do you think that ohioans have? because that wonderful result happened a year before the senate race and the presidential race. and i wonder if, you know -- if democrats have thought about whether it might have been a more powerful move next year because abortion is clearly a live issue for voters. >> well, joy, first of all, hi. thanks for having inviting me on. the democratic party did not drive this. this was driven by two different groups that became a coalition, right? a group of physicians and then long-standing pro choice

organizations that support abortion rights. so, the party really wasn't going to be able to dictate to them when this was going to be on the ballot any way. i don't think enough people understand that. it truly was a grass roots movement. you asking about memory, right? when you have this moment -- you and i could speak in our own lives. you suddenly realize your power that you hoped you had but you weren't sure you had, how soon do we let that go? and how quickly do we build on that? that's what i think we're talking about here. there are so many voters who are happy as they are shocked right now that they actually prevailed. and i see that building as momentum. >> let's talk about some of the other things, frank larose wants to be the united states senator, very much so in the republican party from the state of ohio. which is seen as a red state, but the fact that senator sherrod brown exists means it's a state that still has the possibility of electing a democrat. he said to me something very interesting. he said that passing that 60%

threshold was also about stopping the minimum wage. a minimum wage increase in the state of ohio. it's also about stopping gun reform in the state of ohio. these like abortion are issues that cross party lines, right? you put the minimum wage on a ballot, it normally is very powerful and drives out particularly progressive voters and young voters. do you sort of see the synergy here, part of what republicans are trying to do is limit democracy because they don't want any of that. they don't want people to have the power to raise their own wages anymore than control their own bodies. >> exactly. i mean, this is larose screaming from the sinking ship, they're winning. they're wing on everything. they're going to do all kinds of things that we don't want. they're probably going to be able to do it. isn't it sad -- also, we should mention, sherrod brown, is my husband. hi, honey. this isn't about you right now. isn't it sad that worker's rights is a partisan issue.

isn't it tragic that gun safety is a partisan issue, protecting our children in the schools, protecting innocent people from being killed in their homes and on the streets. isn't it sad that that's an partisan issue? isn't it sad that the minimum wage -- in ohio the minimum wage right now is $10.10. isn't it sad that wanting to improve the lives of working families is considered a partisan issue. i really think we have to push back regularly on that. we aren't the ones that made it a partisan issue. i mean, i grew up in a union family. right? i grew up understanding. a working class family that our only power was in number. that's why you supported unions because when you organize, you're stronger. we knew who was on our side and who was against us. it's always been pretty clear. we didn't make that a partisan issue. we made that an issue of survival. ability to advocate for other people. so, i understand why larose is talking this way. screaming from the rafters as you will, if you will, because

he's really scared now about what this means. he was the champion of this issue 1. and it has gone down. you know, we pulverized it. i don't know how he sees a way forward for himself, but apparently he is pretending he does and will try to make us the enemy as he tries to figure out how not to look so bad and ignoring how many republican and independent voters also voted against it. >> yeah. you know, i even have some statistics here, connie. clark county -- this is trump counties. trump county, northeast of dayton, voted for donald trump 61 to biden 37. the trump margin was 24%. last night that county broke evenly 50/50 with a no vote winning by a single vote. so there's that piece of it. >> right. >> but then you look at how this issue did in college towns. we're talking about 70 plus percent. 75% in the county where ohio state is located. so this issue lost with places

where there are lots of college students, young people and it lost and went broke even, even in trump country. >> right. i mean, trump country isn't like you suddenly produced countless democrats who showed up to vote there, right? the republicans know what happened there. that their own people, as they like to think of them, rejected them on this. i understand why they're hyperventilating. but i also understand is we can't feed into it. and we can't react to it. we got to stay strong and steady because we have in abortion rights amendment on the ballot in november. i never predict, but i am really hopeful and i want us to stay focussed on that. and then of course we have the presidential and senate race in ohio next year. and i am particularly interested in both of those. so, i understand why nationally we repeatedly regularly called the red state. i woke up in a different ohio

this morning. it's that giant that finally kind of out of its slumber when it's poked and prod awakens. and i'm looking forward to introducing it to more people across the country. >> i will remind people, i'm old enough to remember when both ohio and florida were swing states. any state can be a swing state if enough people are willing to change their mind. that is just the way it is. >> exactly. >> connie schultz, thank you very much. and still ahead, florida man ron desantis turns democracy on its head again. subverting the will of the people by suspending a democratically elected state attorney because she doesn't like how she knows and follows the law. state attorney monique worrell joins me straight ahead. worrell joins me straight ahead.

love you. have a good day, behave yourself. like she goes to work at three in the afternoon and sometimes gets off at midnight. she works a lot, a whole lot. we don't get to eat in the early morning. we just wait till we get to the school. so, yeah. right now here in america, millions of kids like victoria and andre live with hunger, and the need to help them has never been greater. when you join your friends, neighbors and me to support no kid hungry, you'll help hungry kids get the food they need. if we want to take care of our children, then we have to feed them. your gift of just $0.63 a day, only $19 a month

at helpnokidhungry.org right now will help provide healthy meals and hope. we want our children to grow and thrive and to just not have to worry and face themselves with the struggles that we endure. nobody wants that for their children. like if these programs didn't exist me and aj, we wouldn't probably get lunch at all. please call or go online right now with your gift of just $19 a month. and when you use your credit card, you'll receive this limited edition t-shirt to show you're part of the team that's helping feed kids and change lives. if you're coming in hungry, there's no way you can listen to me teach, do this activity, work with this group. so starting their day with breakfast and ending their day with this big, beautiful snack is pretty incredible. whether kids are learning at school or at home, your support will ensure they get the healthy meals they need to thrive. because when you help feed kids, you feed their hopes, their dreams, and futures.

kids need you now more than ever. so please call this number right now to join me in helping hungry kids or go online to helpnokidhungry.org and help feed hungry kids today.

when nature and science get together... pretty sweet things can happen. like our senokot laxative gummies. to relieve occasional constipation, senokot starts with the natural senna plant that science transforms into a yummy gummy! sweet! senokot laxative gummies. if we're mourning anything this morning, it is the loss of democracy. i am your duly-elected state attorney for the ninth judicial circuit. and nothing done by a weak dictator can change that. [ applause ]. >> that was florida state attorney monique worrell, reacting to her not so thinly veiled politically motivated suspension by ron desantis at a time when his presidential campaign is a dumpster fire. the latest poll in new hampshire

shows him in single digits. desantis suspended worrell, the only black woman serving as a local prosecutor in florida for a pattern of avoiding mandatory minimum sentences and derelict in prosecuting serious crimes by juvenile defenders. crime in her district has gone down. she is defending her prosecutorial approach of going after violent offenders and giving some individuals a second chance. she's the second progressive prosecutor ron desantis has suspended. the first was andrew warren after he signed a letter with other prosecutors saying they wouldn't use their offices to prosecute abortion cases. nbc news reports that last year desantis actually orders his staff to bring him the names of progressive prosecutors. state attorney monique worrell joins me now. state attorney worrell, thank you for being here. do you remember your margin of victory when you were elected to

be state attorney? >> good evening, joy. thank you for having me. i don't remember exactly what it was, but i know it was a lot to a little bit. >> so, ron desantis is now replacing you with the person you beat. essentially winning essentially re-running the election for the republican party. how do you interpret what he is doing? is this just a desperate move to get more support from his supporters who might be anti black and anti woman or anti progressive? what do you think it is? >> he's not replacing me with the person i beat, but one of individuals i beat was second in command in the office now. the individual who we replace me with, interestingly, is a local judge, and i guess ron desantis thinks if he swaps one black person for another, that will make the voters happy. >> what were you told?

what was the notice to you when you are dismissed? >> i received a call from one of my investigators this morning, reading me, basically, a notice of my removal, telling me that i needed to not come in to the office, and to return all state property. >> and ron desantis is framing this, for his fans, i'm sure, as an attack on george soros. have you ever met george soros? >> i have never met him. not at all. >> so yourself and andrew warren did receive campaign help from a committee that got money, the campaign got money from them, but i used to work for -- together. most of the money came from george soros. i had never met him either. if he can get the name george soros in, i think he thinks he

can help himself politically. people voted for you. this is why i asked to your margin of victory. this doesn't feel like democracy to me. if people vote for you, they should have you till the end of your term. when is your term and? >> my term ends in 2024. >> so what is your plan now? i know andrew warren did sue but a federal judge, while finding in his favor, said that he couldn't reinstate him, that wasn't something that he had the power to do. do you plan to sue? >> i have a similar legal team and they are currently reviewing the executive order and we are considering what our legal options are. but what you said was right on point, joy, this was an attack on democracy. everyone, democrat, republican, and independent or otherwise, should be concerned that here in the state of florida one person can remove duly elected officials because they are not

politically aligned. and that is exactly what an attack on democracy look like. >> we did look up homicide rates in orange county, florida. they are down. they're down 18%. so if his reason for moving you had to do with crime and homicides, that doesn't track. and so it doesn't seem that your job approval is the reason. do you think that the reason had to do specifically with trying to help his presidential campaign, or do you think it was local florida politics within the republican party there? >> i think it was a combination of many things. certainly, as you mentioned earlier in your broadcast, his presidential numbers are slipping. he is failing at his presidential run. and it's interesting that he is failing to a multi-time indicted individual. and even then he can't get ahead in this race. so certainly this move puts him

in a place of favor among other political extremists who believe that the whole taking our country back. but let's talk about that. what does it mean to take our country back? taking it backwards it's what he is doing. taking it backwards to a time when people who look like me don't, hold elected political positions. if we want to talk about what it means to take it back, take it backwards to a time when women didn't have the rights that they have today. take it backwards to a time where we don't consider the struggles that african americans have in this country when we have affirmative action. so that's what taking our country back means. this is another action towards taking our country back. another thing that has happened is the embolden meant of law enforcement to make the law. they don't just make arrests. they determine how the law is enforced, even though they are not attorneys, even though they

are not trained in the law. he has emboldened them to be the deciding factor on what charges are appropriate and what outcomes, what sentences are appropriate. and that is exactly contrary to how the system is designed to work. and ultimately, joy, if we look at what's happening here, all the blue counties in the state of florida are having their democratically elected officials removed. and that is because this is all about politics. he is weaponizing politics so that he can have games in the polls for his failed presidential campaign. >> i have also noted that he is targeting blue counties that did not want him and did not vote for him and replacing their leaders with his own chosen apparatus acts. that is duly noted. state attorney monique worrell, thank you very much. we'll be watching what you'll be doing next.

doing next. on the top of the pile! oh. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

meet the portable blender we can barely keep in stock. blendjet 2 gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go. so you can blend up a mouthwatering smoothie, protein shake, or latte wherever you are! recharge quickly with any usb port. best of all, it even cleans itself! just blend water

with a drop of soap. what are you waiting for? order yours now from blendjet.com before they sell out again! (♪♪) rsv can be a dangerous virus... [sneeze] ...for those 60 and older. it's not just a cold. and if you're 60 or older... ...you may be at increased risk of hospitalization... [coughing] ...from this highly... ...contagious virus. not all dangers come with warning labels. talk to your pharmacist or doctor... ...about getting vaccinated against rsv today. >> that's tonight's read out.

stay woke, y'all. all in with chris hayes starts now. in>> tonight on all in -- >> we have breaking news. i called twitter a typewriter, that's what it called twitter. >> the indicted ex president finds out, like the rest of us, the jack smith slipped into his dm's. tonight, for the special counsel is looking for in donald trump's twitter, and what sure looks like a new coup mow for coconspirator fraud. >> i think this document is about as close as you get to a smoking gun. >> then, the case for not televisi a